enders game? by domicorb3000

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enders game?

POSTED BY: DOMICORB3000
UPDATED: Saturday, September 2, 2006 03:52
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Sunday, August 13, 2006 4:41 AM

has anyone read the enders game series at all - it is awsome - i had to read it back in school and i have always loved it

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Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:27 AM

DQBABY76

well i havent read it but my husband absolutely loves it and tries to get me to read all the time.

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Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:37 AM

GRRRARG

It starts good, and is an excellent example of his early writing - I'm thinking of "A Planet Called Treason" if you want similar books to the first of the Ender's Game books. But...
Then it turns into the Book of Mormon, though not as blatantly as his Earth series. As far as I can tell he's been on that kick ever since then - tried reading an alternate reality book he did, but again, preachy humanity-is-lost-without-Jesus stuff.

"Don't put your trust in revolutions. They always come around again. That's why they're called revolutions. People die, and nothing changes." -Terry Pratchett "Night Watch"

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Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:52 AM

SPACEANJL

Is this the Orson Scott Card stuff? Read somewhere that he's a 'Firefly' fan, I think. Husband is an OSC fan, have to say I'm not so keen.

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Sunday, August 13, 2006 6:00 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

I'm so sick of ruttin' Card. Ender's Game is a brilliant book, but he's milked it and, as GrrArg put it so nicely, turned it into religious babble. Instead of the books getting succesively better, they get worse. I threw "Ender's Shadow" across the room and since then I have been done with him.
I made it longer than my dad. He was done at Xenocide.
Yeah, he's a Firefly fan I hear, but it amazes me that such a tolerant show would appeal to him (have you read his essay on "family structure"? It's sickening!)

No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path. - Gautama Siddharta

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Sunday, August 13, 2006 6:58 AM

NANITE1018

What are all of you guys talking about? Obviously the Ender part of the series becomes more religious and such. Didn't care for them much. But how is the Shadow series religious or mormon? None of the characters are religious! Well, except for Peter's parents (are they? can't remember). Anyway, i loved them. Particularly the Shadow series.

OH! Now i see, you guys are thinking of Carlotta. Oh well, i don't really see it as preachy or religious. I was more fascinated by the unification of the world part of the story. I always liked Peter (well, except for at the beginning of Ender's Game, but even at the middle to end i loved the character).

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Sunday, August 13, 2006 5:41 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

I was actually thinking of Children of the mind and that whole "God-spoken" thing, and how it was better to remain a slave to that than accept a freedom offered you.
As for the Shadow series, my beef with that is a little different. Although there is the biblical reference in there of "life for knowledge" etc, my real problem was that I just thought it was BAD.
For those who have not read it, I give the courtesy of spoilers:

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The whole gorram book talks about how ruttin' smart Bean is. This huge long setup; Bean can do anything, Bean is probably smarter than Ender, Bean is basically the second-in-command; if Ender cracks, he takes over. And he feels fine about that, if I remember correctly.
So we get to the final battle and Ender isn't saying anything and Bean starts thinking "Oh no, they're going to transfer command to me! What do I do! I have nothing! I can't think of any way to win this! Oh no! Oh no!"
WTF? This genetically-modified super genious, this expert on survival, quickest in Ender's class, and he can't think of anything?! That seriously irritated me.

So yeah. Done. I would not recommend reading beyond Ender's Game to anyone.

No one saves us but ourselves. No one can and no one may. We ourselves must walk the path. - Gautama Siddharta

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Sunday, August 13, 2006 6:26 PM

AGENTRUSCO

Orson Scott Card is one of my very favorite authors. Also he's a browncoat. There's an extensive interview with him on "Done the Impossible: The Fans' Tale of Firefly and Serenity." (watch it.)

Ender's Game series is amazing. Also the "spinoff" Bean series. I personally prefer Ender's series. but I like Ender's Shadow and the latest Bean one... Shadow Puppets if I remember correctly. The other Bean ones I found a bit boring to tell the truth.

It is true that Card lapses into Mormon stuff... but whatever, I see past it. He's really one of the most wonderful authors ever.

On an not-so-space note: read "Lost Boys" one of his best non-Ender books.

Further note: There is supposed to be a movie that melds Ender's Game and Ender's Shadow. It's been in the works (kinda) for some years. Card is apparently working on the sreenplay.

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Sunday, August 13, 2006 6:43 PM

DANCINGNEKO

I liked Ender's Game.
Up until Children of the Mind, I just couldn't fully get through it. The whole thing of Ender creating clones of Peter and Valentine, the whole aiua thingy. It just got too confusing for me, and I dropped it.

I liked the imagery that Card created, and the unique universe. Maybe if I had been into the relgious undertones at the time, it might have been something I'd have pursued a bit more.

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Monday, August 14, 2006 2:06 PM

NANITE1018

bump

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Monday, August 14, 2006 2:27 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

I liked Ender's Game a bunch! And, that twist with the game they played? Crazy!

The second book, Speaker for the Dead, was pretty good, as well. But, the one that starts with an 'x' was too difficult to get through.

As for Ender's Shadow, that one was alright. I could have lived without it, but...

::shrugs::

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Monday, August 14, 2006 3:03 PM

MILFORD

Ho domicorb3000! I read Ender's Game in the seventh grade and have read it every year since then. Without exposing my age, let's just say that dates back to when Saturday Night Live was funny.

The whole series is great, but that first book is outstanding.

By the way, my brother-in-law is in the Air Force and he said that Orson Scott Card came to speak to them about leadership not too long ago at one of their sessions. He spent most of the time talking about Ender's Game. I was so jealous.

There's a rumor that they're making a movie. Any one heard anything aobut it?

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Tuesday, August 15, 2006 10:41 PM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

I've heard a few things about the movie, namely that it's experiencing endless delays because they can't figure out how to really make it work. (Also there have been rumors that Card is not making it much easier for the producers and writers) I've been hearing it "might be coming out in the next couple years" for at least five years now, and last I heard they still didn't have a final script, even.

An insincere and evil friend is more to be feared than a wild beast; a wild beast may wound your body, but an evil friend will wound your mind. - Gautama Siddharta

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Wednesday, August 16, 2006 8:22 AM

MILFORD

I've heard about Card's difficulties too. He seems to be pretty protective. I'm surprised SciFi hasn't tried to make a Dune-like miniseries with it.

Here's hopin....

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Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:11 AM

ZEEK

Loved Enders Game and Enders Shadow. All the books after these got so epic and complex that they lost their charm. Sadly I've read them all but Shadow of the Giant. I'm sure I'll eventually pick that one up too. Gotta say the Jane character was great early on.

Still I'd just recommend people read Enders Game then Enders Shadow. Those two compliment each other so well. Two different points of view on the same events. One emotional and one analytical. They were both great.

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Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:24 AM

MSG

Milford...Steve Martin funny or Dana Carvey funny??
Just kidding:)

I thought Ender's game was ok, but I'd rather not teach it. I prefer teaching Watson's go to Birmingham or Cat ate my Gymsuit or Dealing with Dragons...
Anyway, his short stories are really gruesome I have to say. There's one with some little girl who's really a witch trying to get this box opened by inhabiting an adult body and marrying and sleeping with an adult and then forcing him to open it and it's the heart of some evil beast and it rips her body apart...really morbid and creepifying

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Wednesday, August 16, 2006 9:28 AM

MILFORD

That is a bit unsettling.

As for the funny, it could either be Steve Martin in Three Amigos funny, or Steve Martin in Novacaine funny, or Dana Carvey funny on SNL, or Dana Carvey funny in Master of Disguise. That's a pretty broad range.

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Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:09 AM

WHIMSICALNBRAINPAN

I've read Ender's Game and loved it. The more I got into the series however the more bored I got. It seemed like the last couple of books could have (and should have in my opinion) been edited into one. I gave up on the last one about halfway through and just read the last chapter. I did like Ender's Shadow about Bean but none of the other spin offs appealed to me.

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Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:18 AM

DOMICORB3000

yeah, i had to read to read it for high school in scifi and fantasy class. enders game was my favorite and they did start to get confusing as you go along but i only read like the first three or something but i don't remember but i do remember that i liked the first one the best but i think that it would be a very good movie if they made it right

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Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:18 AM

DOMICORB3000

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Wednesday, August 16, 2006 10:23 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE

You had a sci-fi and fantasy class in High School?? Seriously???

Oh how I wish I went to your school instead of mine...

EDIT - actually, where do I sign up to teach that particular class?

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Friday, August 18, 2006 4:58 PM

EVILDINOSAUR

yep ive read the whole series and it's shadow series, fantastic books. Orson Scott Card is another Joss, the man knows how to tell a good story. I've heard talks of an Ender's Game movie, that'd be cool.

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Tuesday, August 22, 2006 6:17 AM

PAGANPAUL

Ender's Game was a great book, and a fun read. It's really too bad he didn't quit while he was ahead, as the entire series went down hill from there.

There were lots of innovative and imaginative concepts introduced in the first book (zero gravity tactics, self-adapting games, the whole Battle School concept, the surprise ending, etc.) but I was really disappointed with the total lack of anything new in the later books. They were just more of the same.

And then to tell the exact same story from another character's point of view? What was he thinking? He must have had a payment due on his yacht or something.

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Friday, August 25, 2006 9:09 AM

INDIGOSTARBLASTER

Orson Scott Card is one of my favourite authors, even though the occasional novel leaves me cold. His collection of short stories, _Maps in a Mirror_, is awesome. _The Worthing Saga_ is an excellent sci fi novel, and the Alvin Makers series is great alternate-history fantasy (picture the U.S., couple hundred years ago, if magic really existed).

_Ender's Game_ and all the books that followed, including the Shadow ones, were really excellent, I thought, for showing how people change from being "good guys" to "bad guys" and vice versa depending on where they are in their lives and who's making the judgment.

The Ender of _Ender's Game_ was infallible; the Ender of _Ender's Shadow_ was flawed, but Bean loved him anyway.

Bean was a minor character in the "main" series, then the main character in the Shadow series.

Peter was a villain, and then a hero.

Mr. and Mrs. Wiggin were first portrayed as well-meaning and ineffectual sitcom parents, and then as human beings whose deep commitment to family life had been completely undermined by the institutions of their day, so that they had to do Peter's bringing up covertly.

I don't always like Card's work, and I find some of his views repugnant, but there's no question he's a writer of the highest calibre.

Oh, and he's written some very good work on how to write, too, so he's not afraid to share :)

Indigo S.

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Saturday, September 2, 2006 3:52 AM

BRYS

I've only read Ender's Game itself and not any of the other books of the series. It was excellent, even if I don't really agree with his views on anything (except on Firefly and Serenity of course). He's not exactly my favourite science fiction writer but he's easily one of the better writers out there.

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