Taking nominatios for Best Model Work in SF show or movie... by chrisisall

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Taking nominatios for Best Model Work in SF show or movie...

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
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Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:26 AM

*This is a CGI free zone*

Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea?
UFO?
Space 1999?
2001?
Star Wars?
Star Trek III?
Alien?
Aliens?
Independence Day?

Here are the categories:

1)Best completely practical model effect
2)Best model combined with explosive effect
3)Best model combined with matte effect
4)Best overall scope of model effects in a single series or movie
5)Best animated model
6)Other you can make up

These are my nominations:

1) Flying Sub- Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea
2) Eagles 'sploding on the Moon- Space 1999
3) Enterprise shots- Star Trek III
4) Aliens
5) Walkers- Empire Strikes Back
6) Coolest attention to detail: 2001

Care to take your turn, model work fans?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:49 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

I like the Imperial Walkers from Star Wars.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Thursday, September 16, 2010 11:58 AM

CHRISISALL

Thanks AU- you made me realize that I left out a whole category! I fixed it now!

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Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:13 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Thanks AU- you made me realize that I left out a whole category! I fixed it now!

It's what I do.

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Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:47 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

It's what I do.

That sounded suspiciously like Adam Baldwin from "Superman: Doomsday"....

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, September 16, 2010 12:48 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

... the hell?

Where's Silent Running?!

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Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:03 PM

CYBERSNARK

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
1)Best completely practical model effect

Hmm. Can I nominate the entire (spacegoing) Battle of Endor? Just imagining that huge furball of a space battle, with dozens of capital ships and hundreds of fighters, blaster bolts, and multiple background layers, done without any computers.

If not, then the Future War segments of the original Terminator (our first look at the Hunter-Killer and Tank-thing). Yeah, multiple segments, but they were all part of the same "scene," just cut apart.

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2)Best model combined with explosive effect

The exploding Bird of Prey in Star Trek: Generations. Maybe not the most complex effect, but there was just something about seeing it just come apart like that.

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3)Best model combined with matte effect

Original Battlestar Galactica, when a Cylon Raider kamikaze'd the Galactica's hangar (okay, technically the "matte" was a picture of another model, but it was still a matte effect).

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4)Best overall scope of model effects in a single series or movie

The original Star Wars trilogy.

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5)Best animated model

The AT-STs in RotJ (just 'cause they were more dynamic and agile than the AT-ATs).

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6)Other you can make up

Best model "beauty shot:"

The original opening sequence of Deep Space Nine (I don't know when they transitioned to a CG station, but it wasn't until Voyager was on the air [I remember a magazine article saying that Voyager was their first "hero" CGI design]).

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Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:28 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
... the hell?

Where's Silent Running?!

So, nominate it in a category(s)!!
Sheesh!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:35 PM

MUTT999

1)Best completely practical model effect:

Alien's Nostromo landing on LV-426.

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Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:37 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Cybersnark:

1)Best completely practical model effect

Hmm. Can I nominate the entire (spacegoing) Battle of Endor?

Sorry, an error here; practical means entirely without mattes or opticals added. "As filmed in the camera", as it were (think the ATAT falling into the baking soda (snow) with the painted background in Empire).

Although it would be a fine choice for #3!!!

EDITED TO ADD: The final battle in ROTJ has never been equaled IMO. Serenity came close, but that was CGI on a limited amount of time & money.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, September 16, 2010 2:39 PM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by Mutt999:
1)Best completely practical model effect:

Alien's Nostromo landing on LV-426.

OUTSTANDING nomination, Mutt!!!!

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Thursday, September 16, 2010 4:29 PM

RAHLMACLAREN

"Damn yokels, can't even tell a transport ship ain't got no guns on it." - Jayne Cobb

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2)Best model combined with explosive effect

(Does this fit?)

I nominate the 1/8 scale model Serenity from the BDM, used for the big crash.

It's a painful scene to watch, but it looks fantastic.

I think Joss killed Wash just to lessen the pain of watching Serenity's port(?) engine being ripped the hell off.

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Thursday, September 16, 2010 6:51 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

It's what I do.

That sounded suspiciously like Adam Baldwin from "Superman: Doomsday"....

Captain Mal Reynolds, in the cargo bay, responding to River Tam's question.

Or near enough. And you'll excuse me for leaving out the 'darlin'.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Friday, September 17, 2010 4:03 AM

LWAVES

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

Here are the categories:

1)Best completely practical model effect
2)Best model combined with explosive effect
3)Best model combined with matte effect
4)Best overall scope of model effects in a single series or movie
5)Best animated model
6)Other you can make up

The laughing Chrisisall

I'll be honest and say that I don't know enough about models in film or how the scenes were produced to fit my picks into particular categories so I'll just post my fave/best picks and you experts can figure out where they go.

Already nominated:
Spacefight over the Death Star II - Return Of The Jedi
AT-AT Walkers - Empire Strikes Back

And my new nominations:
Death of the Enterprise - Star Trek III
Mothership arrival - Close Encounters Of The Third Kind
Pretty much anything from Aliens or Star Wars OT

And for category Six I won't nominate a film but a person for a Very Honourable Mention just to move away from the plethora of vehicles listed so far.
And that person is Stan Winston for all his outstanding animatronic work - which I would class as models. Just think of the Endoskeleton from Terminator, the Alien Queen and Power Loader from Aliens, the 'real' dinosaurs from Jurassic Park and finally his never bettered work on distorting human (and dog) flesh in The Thing.

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Friday, September 17, 2010 7:29 AM

CHRISISALL

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Originally posted by RahlMaclaren:

I nominate the 1/8 scale model Serenity from the BDM, used for the big crash.

Y'know, I'd forgotten that that was a model. Yeah, it was amazing- better than the Flying Sub effects.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, September 17, 2010 7:33 AM

CHRISISALL

Stan Winston was a genius.

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Friday, September 17, 2010 12:46 PM

MUTT999

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Originally posted by RahlMaclaren:

I nominate the 1/8 scale model Serenity from the BDM, used for the big crash.

It's a painful scene to watch, but it looks fantastic.

You are so right!

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Friday, September 17, 2010 1:01 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Stan Winston was a genius.

Sorta off topic, but in your opinion, as WInston followed Harryhausen, does Murrin follow Winston ?

If not Dennis, who ?

Just askin'.

"The modern definition of 'racist' is someone who is winning an argument with a liberal."

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Sunday, September 19, 2010 5:19 AM

CLJOHNSTON108

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
*This is a CGI free zone*

Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea?
UFO?
Space 1999?
2001?
Star Wars?
Star Trek III?
Alien?
Aliens?
Independence Day?

Here are the categories:

1)Best completely practical model effect
2)Best model combined with explosive effect
3)Best model combined with matte effect
4)Best overall scope of model effects in a single series or movie
5)Best animated model
6)Other you can make up

These are my nominations:

1) Flying Sub- Voyage To The Bottom Of The Sea
2) Eagles 'sploding on the Moon- Space 1999
3) Enterprise shots- Star Trek III
4) Aliens
5) Walkers- Empire Strikes Back
6) Coolest attention to detail: 2001

There can be no discussion of miniature models that includes Gerry Anderson, yet ignores Thunderbirds!

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Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:25 AM

IMNOTHERE

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Originally posted by cljohnston108:

There can be no discussion of miniature models that includes Gerry Anderson, yet ignores Thunderbirds!

Agreed (and then you have to include the spoof from "Wallace and Gromit: A Close Shave"...)

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Sunday, September 19, 2010 7:57 AM

IMNOTHERE

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Originally posted by chrisisall:

4)Best overall scope of model effects in a single series or movie

Toss-up between 2001 and Thunderbirds, I'd say.

I've recently got Blu-Ray, and the first "non-Pixar" movie (the Pixar stuff is incredible in HD, but I found it a bit ~meh for "real" films) that really blew my socks off in HD was 2001. You can find faults in the FX but overall stand up incredibly well.

They pretty much invented the "starship beauty shot" - and the whole "Blue Danube" segment during which Floyd travels to the moon* is, of course, immortal. Its hard to imagine that anything that came after this wasn't influenced by it (even if they stole the "stargate" effect from Doctor Who - although I think the original 60s 'Who used video feedback rather than slit scan).

Thunderbirds, is, well, Thunderbirds - but while it will bring a thrill to anybody who's ever built a model, its very obvious to modern eyes that everything is a model.

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5)Best animated model

Can I nominate "Gromit" from Wallace and Gromit? How can a lump of plasticine with no mouth be such a good actor?

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6)Other you can make up

6) Most hideous travesty resulting from an under-budgeted mid-series switch from model work to CGI.

Red Dwarf. 'Nuff said.

(*its no wonder that Pan-Am went bust if they were flying shuttles to the moon with so many empty seats...

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