The trailer's out. by Cybersnark

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The trailer's out.

POSTED BY: CYBERSNARK
UPDATED: Thursday, July 13, 2006 09:08
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Friday, June 30, 2006 4:54 AM

O_O

http://www.transformersmovie.com/

Wow. . .

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Wednesday, July 5, 2006 6:17 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Hmmm.....

Hard to tell much from that little bit. We don't even get a clear look at the transformer that attacks the probe.

Why the special hell are the transformers on Mars?

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Wednesday, July 5, 2006 7:40 AM

CYBERSNARK

They're not. This is just the teaser, footage here will not be in the actual movie. The current thought is that the TF in the vid is just some generic Decepticon (the head looks a little like Astrotrain, but he'd likely have more kibble).

This is basically the equivalent of that Godzilla add where he steps through the museum roof onto the T-Rex, or a less well-executed version of the River Tam Sessions.

The basic point was to drum up interest and show a glimpse of what to expect. Personally, I think the new look of the TFs is a little underwhelming (too skeletal, not enough armour or recognizable kibble). Hopefully they'll be a bit bulkier in the actual film.

(Also hopefully we'll be able to see them through Bay's directing. I'm getting nightmares of the Transformers being perpetually obscured through extreeeeeeeeeeeeeeeme close-ups and shakeycam.)

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Friday, July 7, 2006 10:47 AM

CRUITHNE3753

DOH!

Beagle 2 wasn't a rover, it was a static probe. It was launched on a Russian Soyuz-Fregat, not an American Delta II like you see in the clip.

Now I'm sounding like a right space geek...

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Friday, July 7, 2006 11:50 AM

ZEEK

That was pretty worthless. Who else gets that sinking feeling like another good franchise is going down the toilet?

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Friday, July 7, 2006 12:12 PM

BROOKLYNBROWNCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by Cruithne3753:
DOH!

Beagle 2 wasn't a rover, it was a static probe. It was launched on a Russian Soyuz-Fregat, not an American Delta II like you see in the clip.

Now I'm sounding like a right space geek...

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Friday, July 7, 2006 12:13 PM

BROOKLYNBROWNCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by Cruithne3753:
DOH!

Beagle 2 wasn't a rover, it was a static probe. It was launched on a Russian Soyuz-Fregat, not an American Delta II like you see in the clip.

Now I'm sounding like a right space geek...

Yep, can't argue that point.

check out the brooklyn club scene:

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bryanbaskin/clubbing.html

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Friday, July 7, 2006 12:18 PM

BROOKLYNBROWNCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by brooklynbrowncoat:
Quote:
Originally posted by Cruithne3753:
DOH!

Beagle 2 wasn't a rover, it was a static probe. It was launched on a Russian Soyuz-Fregat, not an American Delta II like you see in the clip.

Now I'm sounding like a right space geek...

Yep, can't argue that point.

check out the brooklyn club scene:

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bryanbaskin/clubbing.html]

hey brooklyn, the only trailer you should be checking out is the one your momma lives in....

are you following me around? ie-

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=15&t=21727

its starting to freak me out a little, so stop it already

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Friday, July 7, 2006 12:24 PM

GIXXER

Yup. More and more, Serenity is looking like the last time anyone took any trouble with a script, didn't rely on flash, noise and CGI, didn't play safe and, blimey, ended up making a really decent film.

It'll be a long time before anyone has the guts to come as close.

But anyhow, there I go getting all morosified... Here's the best advert since Honda's "The Impossible Dream".

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(Also check out 30-second version and the breakdancing variation.)

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Friday, July 7, 2006 12:25 PM

BROOKLYNBROWNCOAT

Quote:
Originally posted by brooklynbrowncoat:
Quote:
Originally posted by brooklynbrowncoat:
Quote:
Originally posted by Cruithne3753:
DOH!

Beagle 2 wasn't a rover, it was a static probe. It was launched on a Russian Soyuz-Fregat, not an American Delta II like you see in the clip.

Now I'm sounding like a right space geek...

Yep, can't argue that point.

check out the brooklyn club scene:

http://pages.sbcglobal.net/bryanbaskin/clubbing.html]

hey brooklyn, the only trailer you should be checking out is the one your momma lives in....

are you following me around? ie-

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=15&t=21727

its starting to freak me out a little, so stop it already

still trying to recover from that ass- whoopin' you caught in middle earth?

http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=15&t=21727

now you come around here all uppidty on your drugs? all strung out and dopey? week long bender? we say beat it, junky, and don't call here no mo'!!!!!!!

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Friday, July 7, 2006 12:30 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Damn....I'm almost interested in seeing that.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Saturday, July 8, 2006 11:43 AM

CYBERSNARK

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Originally posted by Cruithne3753:
Beagle 2 wasn't a rover, it was a static probe.

That's exactly what they want you to think.

Mars probes have been going missing under less-than-explicable circumstances for a while now, it's not out of the realm of possibility that "They" might send up something specifically intended to take a covert look around.

I'll give you the Soyuz-Fregat (the cost of using archival footage --someone didn't do their homework).

I'm actually not that worried about the script; all three writers (Rogers, Kurtzman, and Orci) have fairly good credentials (The Jackie Chan Adventures, Xena, Alias, MI:3, Legend of Zorro, etc.), and have demonstrated a good grasp of the material and respectable levels of wit. Obviously, they're nowhere near Joss' level, but they should be good enough.

To be fair, being the best Transformer story in years won't be that hard. Everything since Beast Wars has kinda sucked. Hard, at times. (*makes note to let you guys know when I'm finally ready to post my Transformers: Legacy fanfic series*)

I'm willing to treat the new look of the mechs as artistic interpretation (if I survived Manny Galan and Pat Lee, I can survive this).

What I'm worried about is Michael Bay's directing. I wanna actually see the Transformers, not just get split-second glimpses of a random arm, leg, or part of a head between the explosions and close-up motion-blurs.

(Remember what happened during that hovercycle chase in The Island? I don't, because I COULDN'T SEE ANYTHING.)

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Wednesday, July 12, 2006 1:52 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

Does this mean that the Transformers™ will get the same sort of make over that BSG did ? More mature, more of a 'not for kiddies' appeal ?

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

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Wednesday, July 12, 2006 2:14 PM

GUENEVER

It could be a fun movie. I'm hoping for fun.

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Thursday, July 13, 2006 9:08 AM

CYBERSNARK

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Does this mean that the Transformers™ will get the same sort of make over that BSG did ? More mature, more of a 'not for kiddies' appeal ?

It would be nice, but Michael "Boom-Boom" Bay wasn't involved with BSG.

In all seriousness, I kinda doubt it; Transformers always has been and always will be a toyline first and a story second. The movie is kinda stretching that, but no one doubts that there'll be TF-movie toys on the shelf before the film opens.

It doesn't so much need to grow up, so much as it needs to stop being bad. Check out Beast Wars/Beast Machines, it was as toyetic as anything, but it had the best stories in any TF series ever (you could take the Axalon and Darkside's crews, make them human, and drop them into the 'verse, and they'd fit right in --Hell, Dinobot was probably a Browncoat in the war). The trouble is that the people behind the franchise (post Beast-era) seem to be just mailing it in, treating the shows as if no one really cares.

(And I'm not just saying this as a fanboy; I've spoken to young "target demographic" kids who feel the same way; recent shows are just embarassing to watch.)

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It really bugs me when people look at the state of Transformers and blame it on "Japanime." Transformers isn't bad because it's animé, it's bad because it's bad animé.

What I wouldn't give for a TF series that looked/sounded/ran like Gundam Seed (imagine Optimus and Megatron duelling with beam sabers and sending swarms of missiles at each other as a huge ship-to-ship brawl rages all around them), or Fullmetal Alchemist (after Optimus' death, Hot Rod and Bumblebee struggle to unlock the secrets of the Matrix, and light Cybertron's darkest hour --with the Autobots themselves trying to stop them), or Macross Zero (Starscream versus Skyfire fighting from the stratosphere to the surface, with eye-bleeding speed and agility), or even Naruto (with its willingness to trade pacing for character development). Hell, season 3 of Digimon had better production values, writing, and dubbing than the last three TF series combined --and was more fun.
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It's kinda disheartening, since the Transformers "metaverse" lends itself so perfectly to all the "Big Issues" that Sci-Fi as a genre was created to deal with.

-Transformers are machines, yet they live, feel, learn, and grow. They have souls --they know this because they can take them out, measure them, switch bodies, and even store prisoners disembodied. Humans however, do not. So where does that leave humanity? Are we ensouled beings, or merely bundles of organic tissue and knee-jerk reactions, deluding ourselves into thinking that we matter?

-Transformers have their own religion; a form of ditheism (two gods, as opposed to monotheism, which has one God and one Devil --while the monotheist devil's defeat is assured [monotheists struggle to save themselves --God doesn't need help], ditheism means that nothing is certain: both gods are evenly matched) centred around Primus (the Lord of Light, the Creator of Order) and Unicron (the God of Darkness, the Chaos-Bringer). According to legend, Primus created them, his children, to protect the Universe from Unicron. They are players in a cosmic struggle against absolute Evil, with the fate of infinite universes at stake. . . But there's also another legend, a heresy: that the Transformers were created by an alien race as "consumer products" --factory-built slaves (one line for public consumers, and another for military applications). They were programmed to be smart and adaptable, and they were. The early slaves banded together and rebelled, forcing the aliens to abandon their factory-world. Then the two product lines defaulted to their programming: one sought peace and advancement, the other dreamed of conquest and destruction of all perceived enemies. In this case, the Transformers are nothing more than accidents, their intelligence --their very consciousness-- nothing more than a trick of programming, leaving them perpetually slaves to their own natures.

(Optimus Prime, bearer of the Matrix of Leadership, and mouthpiece of Primus himself. . . is himself a heretic, forced to accept the nihilism of his own beliefs even as he protects the faith and hope of his followers, because it is what they need in order to survive. Lying through his faceplate to them, saving them even if he can't save himself.)

-Transformers don't have sex. They reproduce either by budding sparks (which seems extremely painful), or by drawing forth new sparks to inhabit factory-built bodies. Yet they are created male and female. They fall in (and out of) love, and have relationships, jealousies, romances, and tragic loss that can "break" someone beyond repair. For humans, love is simply a trick our mind plays on us, encouraging us to seek out mates, to reproduce and ensure the survival of our offspring. Love among "cold metal" shouldn't be possible, yet it clearly is, suggesting that "love" is something transcendent, greater than mere biological drive. Something miraculous --what romantic worth the name could deny this?

If TF tried to go adult, it could blow The Matrix, Ghost in the Shell, and Evangelion all out of the ether in pure skull-exploding philosophy, while acheiving Joss-like levels of character drama and humour, but I'm not enough of an optimist to expect that (not in this day and age, anyway). All I'm really hoping for at this point is that I won't be embarassed to be seen coming out of the theatre (RotS, I'm looking at you

).

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