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Re: The "OccupyParty"
Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:40 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:As the Occupy Wall Street movement inspires protests in more U.S. cities, a website has popped up that seems to be trading on the group's somewhat nebulous status and lack of formal organization. The site, called OccupyParty.org, has been disavowed on the actual Occupy Wall Street site, where the author also noted, "We are not a political institution." OccupyParty has a landing page that features what you might expect from a young political movement: images of a diverse crowd of smiling people, waving flags; an image of the U.S. Constitution; and a video purporting to show dastardly Wall Street bankers. The only snag: other than an embedded YouTube video (from another group), the page is devoid of any working links to information about Occupy Wall Street — or even more about "The Occupy Party." A look at the page's source code finds that even the link under "Latest Events" is a mere hashtag placeholder — which returns anyone who clicks on it to the top of the page they're already on. Other than the video, there are only three working outbound links. And they're all Google Ad slots — a circumstance that would be highly unusual for a grass-roots group seeking to round up more support. A bit of research turns up more information about the site. It was registered on Oct. 2, 2011, using a post office box in Australia — the Fortitude Valley section of Brisbane, to be exact. If the site is in fact a jaded attempt to cash in on burgeoning interest in the Occupy Wall Street movement, its administrators are being sneaky in another way, as well. Because as we know here at NPR.org, using the ".org" suffix traditionally means that you're a non-commercial enterprise.
Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:49 AM
BYTEMITE
Thursday, October 6, 2011 8:59 AM
Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:20 AM
HERO
Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:24 AM
Quote:Plus groups like this are key to giving Republicans control of the Presidency and Congress next year.
Quote:the big tent of whoever the Republicans put up next year
Thursday, October 6, 2011 9:46 AM
Quote:Astroturfing is a form of advocacy in support of a political, organizational, or corporate agenda, designed to give the appearance of a "grassroots" movement. The goal of such campaigns is to disguise the efforts of a political and/or commercial entity as an independent public reaction to some political entity—a politician, political group, product, service or event. The term is a derivation of AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to look like natural grass. Astroturfers attempt to manipulate public opinion by both overt ("outreach", "awareness", etc.) and covert (disinformation) means. Astroturfing may be undertaken by an individual promoting a personal agenda, or highly organized professional groups with money from large corporations, unions, non-profits, or activist organizations. Very often, the efforts are conducted by political consultants who also specialize in opposition research. Beneficiaries are not "grass root" campaigners but distant organizations that orchestrate such campaigns.
Quote:asking people to contact their reps instead and put the money toward candidates for office who'll work FOR us (if they can find any, that is!).
Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:00 AM
Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:15 AM
DREAMTROVE
Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:45 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Thursday, October 6, 2011 10:58 AM
Thursday, October 6, 2011 11:18 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Thanx Nick...I'm editing my post. Damn. Sounded good, which probably should have made me suspicious right off! Hippie Operative Nikovich Nikita Nicovna Talibani, Contracted Agent of Veritas Oilspillus, code name “Nike”, signing off
Thursday, October 6, 2011 11:32 AM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: ...Damn, well, I don't know if it started as astroturf, but a website and a video suggests someone's backing it so it's astroturf now.
Thursday, October 6, 2011 11:39 AM
Thursday, October 6, 2011 11:53 AM
CUDA77
Like woman, I am a mystery.
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2:
Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:51 PM
FREMDFIRMA
Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:55 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Cuda77: What they're doing is providing no threat or inconvenience or anything bad for the people in Wall Street. They're still there trading and making/losing lots of money despite what's going on outside. And they will continue to do so no matter how many people show up there or in other places around the country. Nothing is at stake for the bankers and traders so they have no reason to change or to "give in" to any of the demands.
Thursday, October 6, 2011 4:08 PM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: The video on that "OccupyParty" website makes me downright SICK!
Friday, October 7, 2011 3:22 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: If the video is accurate, those people were on the balcony at 55 Wall Street, which isn't a bank or brokerage. It's an apartment building.
Friday, October 7, 2011 7:56 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: The appearance of coordinated protests in major cities calling themselves "Occupy Wall Street" and not being in New York, AND a website, AND a quality produced video.
Quote:I might be paranoid, I might be crazy, but I am NOT dumb.
Friday, October 7, 2011 8:24 AM
Quote:That's your measure?
Friday, October 7, 2011 9:13 AM
Quote: The appearance of coordinated protests in major cities calling themselves "Occupy Wall Street" and not being in New York, AND a website, AND a quality produced video.
Quote: Admin note: This is not an official list of demands. This is a forum post submitted by a single user and hyped by irresponsible news/commentary agencies like Fox News and Mises.org. This content was not published by the OccupyWallSt.org collective, nor was it ever proposed or agreed to on a consensus basis with the NYC General Assembly. There is NO official list of demands.
Quote: This Site Has Nothing To Do With Us Posted Oct. 6, 2011, 11:48 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt occupyparty.org We are not a political institution.
Quote: OccupyWallSt.org is the unofficial de facto online resource for the ongoing protests happening on Wall Street. We are an affinity group committed to doing technical support work for resistance movements. We are not affiliated with Adbusters, anonymous or any other organization. The leaders of this movement are the everyday people participating in the occupation. We use a tool called the "General Assembly" to facilitate open, participatory and horizontal organizing between members of the public. We welcome people from all colors, genders and beliefs to participate in our daily assemblies. Visit the NYC General Assembly website to learn how you can become involved, read updates/minutes, or find out how you can adopt NYCGA processes to organize your own community.
Quote: July Press Release On 13 Jul 2011, the group Adbusters released this call: Occupy Wall Street! In Solidarity, and as a response to this call, a planning group was formed [occupywallst.org], and an info sharing site established. The participation of every person, and every organization, that has an interest in returning the US back into the hands of it's individual citizens is required.
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Quote:they're doing is not going to change one single solitary thing.
Friday, October 7, 2011 9:18 AM
Quote:And finally, sweetie, your post is about as patronizing as it gets; don't you find that a bit hypocritical when complaining about someone being patronizing? I understand your feelings, just sayin'.
Friday, October 7, 2011 11:05 AM
Saturday, October 8, 2011 10:00 AM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: The appearance of coordinated protests in major cities calling themselves "Occupy Wall Street" and not being in New York, AND a website, AND a quality produced video. You have heard of the internet, right? Jesus. Facebook, Godaddy, and a camcorder. All of these things you think indicate high-level backing are available with a credit card. A "quality" video? Seriously? That's your measure? Have you not seen YouTube? I have High School students put together high quality videos in a couple days time.
Saturday, October 8, 2011 2:25 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Saturday, October 8, 2011 3:11 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I believe the point Byte is trying to make is that there is at the very least an ATTEMPT to "astroturf" this movement. You have a bunch who have video, website, and some backing, and they are definitely trying to co-opt the message of the Occupy movement. That's pretty much the definition of astroturfing, which is taking something that IS "grassroots" and organic, and trying to make it artificial and pre-fab.
Saturday, October 8, 2011 3:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by mal4prez: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: I believe the point Byte is trying to make is that there is at the very least an ATTEMPT to "astroturf" this movement. You have a bunch who have video, website, and some backing, and they are definitely trying to co-opt the message of the Occupy movement. That's pretty much the definition of astroturfing, which is taking something that IS "grassroots" and organic, and trying to make it artificial and pre-fab. Not so much, Mike. Byte said that the way the movement's spreading can't possibly be organic. I beg to differ. There's lots of pissed off 99%-ers out there who've been waiting for this to get started. It's spreading quickly because it's a long overdue good idea, not because there's some Koch behind it. Although, I somehow didn't process the part of Story's post with the whole Byte-might-be-dumb thing. Byte may have as many blind spots as the rest of us, but she sure as hell ain't dumb. ----------------------------------------------- hmm-burble-blah, blah-blah-blah, take a left
Saturday, October 8, 2011 3:33 PM
Saturday, October 8, 2011 8:56 PM
MAGONSDAUGHTER
Quote:Originally posted by Cuda77: Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: And that video right there proves to me with one defining image how utterly useless this whole Occupy Wall Street thing is. Honestly, I appreciate these people for speaking out and trying to do something but what they're doing is not going to change one single solitary thing. What they're doing is providing no threat or inconvenience or anything bad for the people in Wall Street. They're still there trading and making/losing lots of money despite what's going on outside. And they will continue to do so no matter how many people show up there or in other places around the country. Nothing is at stake for the bankers and traders so they have no reason to change or to "give in" to any of the demands. Socialist and unashamed about it.
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 10:39 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Cuda, what would you suggest, aside from revolution? Given the government is bought and paid for and has no desire to listen to the people of America who it supposedly represents, and those in the government who DO are stymied again and again by the right insisting on no taxes for the rich and trying to do away with what little regulation we HAVE on Wall Street, what is your valid suggestion people DO aside from march in the streets to have their voices heard?
Tuesday, October 11, 2011 3:59 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:49 PM
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 12:58 PM
Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:05 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Bytemite: o.o Clever. I may have to steal it.
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