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Bush Cancels Travel Plans to Avoid Arrest for Torture
Saturday, December 3, 2011 5:34 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Former U.S. President George W. Bush has cancelled a visit to Switzerland over fears he could have been arrested on torture charges. Mr Bush was due to be the keynote speaker at a Jewish charity gala in Geneva on February 12. But pressure has been building on the Swiss government to arrest him and open a criminal investigation if he enters the country. Criminal complaints against Mr Bush alleging torture have been lodged in Geneva, court officials said. Human rights groups said they had intended to submit a 2,500-page case against him in the Swiss city tomorrow for alleged mistreatment of suspected militants at Guantanamo Bay. Left-wing groups have also called for a protest on the day of his visit, leading organisers at Keren Hayesod's annual dinner to cancel Mr Bush's participation on security grounds. The New York-based Human Rights Watch and International Federation of Human Rights (FIDH) said the cancellation was linked to growing moves told him accountable for the use of torture, including waterboarding.
Saturday, December 3, 2011 5:42 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote: Left-wing groups have also called for a protest on the day of his visit
Saturday, December 3, 2011 5:48 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Saturday, December 3, 2011 6:05 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Saturday, December 3, 2011 6:17 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: Hello, Perhaps President Obama will face similar troubles once he is no longer protected by head-of-state status. A continuation of indefinite detention and a failure to pursue torturers makes him an accomplice to human rights violations. So he, too, may be unable to visit other countries once he retires from office. Good.
Saturday, December 3, 2011 7:19 AM
DREAMTROVE
Saturday, December 3, 2011 7:36 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: The Swiss are awesome. Auraptor, Technically, he *denies* the existence of gays in his country, which is a quirk, but considering his political environment it probably saves him from having to launch a purge against them. Anyway, I don't think the two are equivalent.
Quote: The more curious question is under what legal jurisdiction is he in trouble? Did we torture a Swiss citizen? Or on Swiss ground? Or was he just going to Geneva to apologize for breaking their conventions. Swiss can be picky about people obeying the local custom.
Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:37 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:supports freedom, capitalism and fights tyranny
Saturday, December 3, 2011 8:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Quote:supports freedom, capitalism and fights tyranny You seem to have conflated capitalism and freedom. I support freedom, fight capitalism, and oppose tyranny so what does that make me?
Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:04 AM
Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:07 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: Left-wing groups have also called for a protest on the day of his visit And yet Iran's President is invited to speak at an American university, is greeted with open arms, even as he denounces the existence of gays in his country.
Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:08 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: capitalism does = freedom. No conflation going on here, in the least.
Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:15 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Every capitalist nation is free?
Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:19 AM
Quote:Originally posted by dreamtrove: Are either the Swiss or the Iranians here representing "The left" ?!?!?
Quote: Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Every capitalist nation is free? And socialist ones are 99% off!
Saturday, December 3, 2011 9:29 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AnthonyT: "Human rights groups said they had intended to submit a 2,500-page case against him in the Swiss city tomorrow for alleged mistreatment of suspected militants at Guantanamo Bay." Hello, Perhaps President Obama will face similar troubles once he is no longer protected by head-of-state status. A continuation of indefinite detention and a failure to pursue torturers makes him an accomplice to human rights violations. So he, too, may be unable to visit other countries once he retires from office. Good.
Saturday, December 3, 2011 12:12 PM
Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:14 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SignyM: Well, that explains your confusion then.
Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: Apparently in RappyLand™, the Swiss ARE "the Left". I'm not sure where the Iranians fit into this story, but Rap seems to think that their president is replacing Bush at the charity gala.
Saturday, December 3, 2011 1:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: No, but "the Left " goes out of its way to harass and accuse the defenders of freedom, while ignoring the real tyrants of the world.
Saturday, December 3, 2011 4:15 PM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Monday, December 5, 2011 1:42 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Monday, December 5, 2011 5:37 PM
CHRISISALL
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: capitalism does = freedom.
Monday, December 5, 2011 5:51 PM
Monday, December 5, 2011 6:49 PM
Quote:Originally posted by chrisisall: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: capitalism does = freedom. LOL, dementia , anyone?
Tuesday, December 6, 2011 3:50 AM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Quote:Last updated at 8:57 PM on 6th February 2011 Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1354211/George-W-Bush-cancels-Switzerland-visit-fears-arrest-torture-charges.html#ixzz1flJfboDq
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:55 AM
KRELLEK
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 12:07 PM
Wednesday, December 21, 2011 3:28 PM
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