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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I think I can see why they changed it though. There'd be no dramatic tension for The Operative to climb hand over hand towards the platform while Mal shoots at him and misses.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
No, there is, because the operative is close enough that he's able to catch up to Mal and tackle him, knock him off the monkey bars. . .

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Serenity should have ended with the ship landing directly on top of Two so he (she?) wouldn't be around to try and tell us how they can write better screenplays than Joss Whedon.

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the Operative could have walked to the railing and put the gun barrel against Mal's back.

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And then Mal and the Operative quick-draw when they are close enough to spit in each other's face. How Mal managed to not kill the Operative and only hit the gun

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Addressed that one already. Mal's mistake was to not follow that up with a shot to the face, or not throwing the Operative into the pit, or thinking the Operative wouldn't try to follow him over to the mainframe platform, or knock him off

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
I'll grant that. Though it might still work dramatic tension wise with the being tackled while crossing.

Maybe Mal was out of bullets for some reason and remembered how impossible beating the Operative in melee was, so he had to resort to try to tricking the Operative. So maybe he was hoping the Operative would try what he did, only the Operative didn't fall like Mal was hoping.

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
. . . it's boring to watching someone shoot at someone else and keep missing.

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Originally posted by two:
Mal becomes a dope.

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Maybe Mal was out of bullets for some reason and remembered how impossible beating the Operative in melee was, so he had to resort to try to tricking the Operative. So maybe he was hoping the Operative would try what he did, only the Operative didn't fall like Mal was hoping.

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It's also a miracle (or Joss, again) when Jayne gets speared by Reavers. A little whiskey on the entrance and exit wounds plus a dirty rag for a bandage made him all better. That was good whiskey!

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
The one thing you keep harping on is how all of this might shape events in Serenity 2. Joss structured the ultimate screenplay and the finished film with the notion that it was possible he would NOT get a second chance.

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It's also a miracle (or Joss, again) when Jayne gets speared by Reavers. A little whiskey on the entrance and exit wounds plus a dirty rag for a bandage made him all better. That was good whiskey!

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This is one of the things I more have an issue with. That kind of injury with that treatment resulted in a lot of amputations in the ole west, and often the infection would spread so quickly that they'd have to amputate BOTH legs and the person would die anyway.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Serenity should have ended with the ship landing directly on top of Two so he (she?) wouldn't be around to try and tell us how they can write better screenplays than Joss Whedon.

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What Joss did can't be blamed on me. He wrote two versions of the Operative/Mal gunfight. These are almost identical, except Joss shrank the field of battle from 40 feet down to spitting/pissing distance. When Joss did that, he made it hard to believe the Operative and Mal can miss. I'm not rewriting Joss's gunfight. Joss rewrote his own. Or the set designer told Joss to make the fight cozy to save money . . .

Can't Miss At This Range


The Joss Whedon script for "Serenity," where Wash lives, is
Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Mal wasn't trying to kill the Operative. He was just trying to delay him long enough to get the message out. Mal's a softy at heart. You don't really believe his talk at the end of being liable to kill the Operative if he ever sees him again do you?

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Originally posted by Bytemite:
Mal's a hero, he's sometimes dumb that way.

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Originally posted by two:
Jayne will gush a gallon of blood when he is harpooned by Reavers. If Jayne had bled for real, Serenity would be R rated. The harpooning was one of several places where Joss Whedon went beyond expecting the audience to willingly suspend disbelief

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Two, I'm gonna stop you dead in your tracks here.
#1- you don't start gushing UNTIL it gets pulled out, and Jayne has a lot of blood bein' as big as he is.
#2- Blood itself ('specially from an arm or leg) don't an "R" rating make.
#3- They live on a spaceship, dear. Best doctor from Ariel. Future. A pierced leg ain't nuthin' can't be fixed.
Dude, you want reality in your carnage, watch the last Rambo flick.

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Originally posted by two:
Oddly, he did not gush blood when he pulled it.

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Originally posted by two:
Oddly, he did not gush blood when he pulled it.

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Clearly, you missed where he tied it up tight to prevent that.
And, well... I guess I missed it too... but just 'cause it didn't get showed doesn't mean it weren't done.



The laughing Chrisisall

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Yeah, we've thought of that every time. I could try to find a loophole like it's harder to hit somebody in the head and Mal's arguably not the greatest shot so he went for a safe shot, or maybe he thought killing the Op would've just made somebody else come after soo not the greatest idea, maybe his first concern was just slowing him down, but....

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Originally posted by Storymark:
And maybe folks aint at their most mentally acute right after falling out of space, crashing, watching a friend die, all while be chased by a horde of cannibals.

The man was in the moment.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
And maybe folks aint at their most mentally acute right after falling out of space, crashing, watching a friend die, all while be chased by a horde of cannibals.

I don't really think, with all that was going on, that Mal was putting a whole lot of mental juice into reflecting on past defeats.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
How much would it have sucked if he HAD just shot him in the head and that was it??, No climactic fight scene, no forcibly showing the Operative "the error of his ways" ?? No happy conflict resolution and affirmation at the end??

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