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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Dude, you need some freaking help, NOW, or you are going to die soon.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Dude, you need some freaking help, NOW, or you are going to die soon.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Yes he was drunk, but the thing that concerns me is HOW drunk. If he's only had a few and is posting like that he more than likely has cirrhosis already...

There was a guy in chat a year ago that would repeat things every twenty seconds and ramble just like Jack and I begged him to go to the doc, which he did after a polyp burst, and found out he had cirrhosis...

That's why chronic drunks are unintelligible, the affects don't just kill off brain cells, they inhibit the rest from connecting because your blood isn't being processed...

Jack hon, please do me a favor and lay offa the booze for a while, K?
You are just getting your life together, and I would hate to see you throw it all away because you can't get ahold of yourself...
I strongly suggest you go get some Prozac, rather than self medicate.


You think being a little overweight is bad, wait till you lose a liver...

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
I don't know, we'll see what Jack does. I'm looking forward to a good challenge here.

But you're probably right, only my first post got a response. In a contest of sick burns, the person who ends the contest is the loser, because then the contest is over.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Yes he was drunk, but the thing that concerns me is HOW drunk. If he's only had a few and is posting like that he more than likely has cirrhosis already...

There was a guy in chat a year ago that would repeat things every twenty seconds and ramble just like Jack and I begged him to go to the doc, which he did after a polyp burst, and found out he had cirrhosis...

That's why chronic drunks are unintelligible, the affects don't just kill off brain cells, they inhibit the rest from connecting because your blood isn't being processed...

Jack hon, please do me a favor and lay offa the booze for a while, K?
You are just getting your life together, and I would hate to see you throw it all away because you can't get ahold of yourself...
I strongly suggest you go get some Prozac, rather than self medicate.


You think being a little overweight is bad, wait till you lose a liver...

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
I think, given that it all makes sense now, he posted this while nailed and doesn't remember it, but why is he nailed during the day? I guess because he works at night.

Jack man, things are getting too weird, now might be the time to evaluate where you're at with this plastering thing.

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Yup, my old buddy Jim couldn't go to bed unless he was ready to pass out, and he tended to slur his speech as much after the first drink as he did after the last. And then he started to slur his speech without drinking, until he ended up sounding like he had Down's Syndrome. And then he died. He was 36. He used to drive me nuts when we'd go out drinking, because I could quit after I got a decent buzz on, and he was convinced I was too cheap to buy more drinks; he never could understand that there was such a thing as "enough", or a happy three-beer buzz. For Jim, if you were still upright, you weren't yet where you needed to be.

I couldn't save him from drinking himself to death. Maybe somebody can save Jack.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Jacks' prolly not drunk, just high on weed. It does that to you. Makes any inane chicken-scratch look like revelatio... hey, that lampshade is RED. RED.

.... Where was I???

Oh, yeah.

My guess is that in abut an hour, if he hasn't already, he'll be very hungry. He may be rummaging the frig right about now.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I think he's got loosey-goosey connections in his brain. There's a continuum between people who are very logical through people who connect up unrelated things in odd ways through downright schizophrenic. He probably shouldn't be smoking weed or indulging in any other hallucinogen.

But it does strike me as odd - not knowing him personally what I get from his posts is that he had no money, he got a job, and it looks like his first paycheck he goes on some kind of bender.


SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
I feel for you, Jack. And I hope for the best for you.

It really is hard making it on your own. I've had married/child-ed friends tell me how simple life must be for me. They don't see the challenges for single people. It goes beyond the financial - though that's a big one!

Anyway, I really hope you find your way out of this. You seem like a decent guy when you're not blacked-out drunk.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:


I won't go into details, but living alone with zero responsiblity besides paying the bills is a quagmire of BS that you'd never think it was when you were a kid at Christmas watching "Home Alone" on the big screen.

Let's just say that without a "mate" to keep you in constant "check"..... well.... you know the drill...

For all those who don't know about this lifestlye... let's just say that there are a lot of "outside influences" who make it a point to target people like us.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
I have to say I had no idea that anyone could be so incoherently drunk and still be upright and typing.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
So, I was thinking about this and here is my opinion.

6ix, you seem to be self-medicating. It's obvious to me that you're going from one drug to the next for a reason.

So, initially you started getting drunk to feel better from whatever that thing is that's driving you. But then something weird happened. You got dangerously addicted, and what started out as a fun release turned into a process out of your volition and control.

I think you need to do two things.

One is to get help for your drinking because if you don't, it WILL kill you, as it killed an uncle of mine, and almost killed my mother. Alcoholism runs in my family, and I personally know the pull of wanting to drink too much too often, so I speak from a little experience. I don't do it, but some days it's a fight.

The other thing you need to do afterward is to resolve that thing that is driving you to self-medicate. B/c if you don't, you'll just go right back to drinking or whatever the next thing is that will hook you.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I live by myself, with a simmilar lack of responsibility to others - and I've never felt any particularly insideous outside influence pushing me toward self-destructive behavior. When those impulses do come along - it's all me.

Accepting your own responsibility for your behavior, and not placing the blame on "outside influences" would be a good start.

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Originally posted by FREMDFIRMA:

Some people have issues.

You Jack, have fully annotated special editions.

-F

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Originally posted by RionaEire:
A Jack a chara,

I don't think going back to weed is going to be a real solution for you. You've got to figure out why you do this. Try going a while without any substances and see how you feel, that way you can figure out why you started using substances in the first place. Because there's probably a reason, whether its chemical or circumstantial. If you can figure out what it is then maybe you can figure out what to do about it to help. I always like talking to you, you've always been nice to me even when we don't agree.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Jack: I will add to what other folks are saying here - the Shadows in you are violent, and they are noticeably violent towards those of the feminine persuasion. Posting things you don't remember is pretty much doing things you don't remember. I hope you get a handle on this before you, while blacked out and under full control of the skeletons in your subconscious, do things that are seriously seriously bad. I don't really know you, but from what I've seen here it seems you have potential to do things that would truly horrify the conscious you once you sobered up. Not to mention the ill effects for the other party or parties involved.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
>_>

I've been hesitant to get back into this, because I'm still not sure how much with Jack is real, and because I have had a grandmother who was alcoholic, but I was never around her when she was drunk, and because I feel like I was kind of a jerk in my ignorance here.

But, this seems to be some good advice. You gotta take care of yourself Jack, because ultimately even if you have a long chain of girlfriends who dote on your every whim, in the end you're the only one who CAN take care of yourself. You can't be independent until you have no dependencies. Also, people can take advantage of you while you're blitzed out of your mind, and considering everything we're fighting for, that's a big risk.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

You mention being alone a fair bit. I guess it's all how one looks at things, but another way to look at is that you're not being annoyed by anyone either.

Glass half full, sort of thing. ( pardon the pun, of course )

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Originally posted by Niki2:
Was only going to post the giggle I got out of your incredibly long post, given you just snarked at me for posting long quotes in the Tom/Katie thread--talk about pot calling kettle black!

But I did spot my name so read that part. I'm glad you regret that filth, and yeah, there was no discernable reason for it, which was weird. That's all I have to say on the matter.

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Yeah....

My own long posts aren't posts of others, they are my own....

You feel more comfortable wearing masks of people you believe in...

I can't argue that Niki....

Less people hate you for your way for sure....

Sorry I called you a CUNT

I'm sure I'm at least the Male version of that word if not more.



Keep being a "bitch of reason" and I'll keep being a "dick of reason"

No more BS....., truce? :)

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's kind of weird that the shittiest thing I have to say to anybody here is to you Frem.

You're really being a dick about this whole thing. Maybe it's for my benefit and I should just go with it. "God" knows I deserve it.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
It's kind of weird that the shittiest thing I have to say to anybody here is to you Frem.

You're really being a dick about this whole thing. Maybe it's for my benefit and I should just go with it. "God" knows I deserve it.

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Well, you're not a complete fuckin moron, there's that.

You don't need sympathy, which is good cause I don't do sympathy too well, you need a boot in your ass, and believe me your behavior has encouraged me to provide, but only so far.

The worst of it is just how deeply and dearly I know, that once this starts to unfold itself to you, the weight of my scorn will be but a feather to your own, believe this if naught else - NO one can scourge your for your sins as bad as your own conscience.

And that awful knowledge is coming your way soon enough, and for that much, I am sorry - but the alternatives are worse.

-Frem

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You were probably around A-LOT when Grams was drinking. My step-mom's mother had bottles of vodka hidden in 50 places in her house.

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It's just too hot to do what I do, even though I continue do it.

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Mountain Dew with real cane sugar. I thrived on pop and video games for 15 years before stepping into anything "harder". Hell... even before I started drinking again about 7 years back, I probably went through 3 liters of Pepsi a day and it's a wonder I didn't get type 2 diabetes. Overnight it seemed that I switched the pop for beer, but I only had about 3 a night back when I was smoking weed.

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
"I have to say I had no idea that anyone could be so incoherently drunk and still be upright and typing."

FWIW I meant that. I have seen lots and lots of drunkenness, but I have never seen anyone that incoherent still be upright, let alone typing.

My opinion again -

Your history - nicotine - weed - alcohol - all brain-altering chemicals and all to excess - isn't a coincidence. If you were 'addicted to being addicted' you’d be liable to being addicted to origami, thumb-twiddling, the color red. Instead, you choose brain-altering chemicals and get repeatedly addicted to one after the other or more than one at a time.

Until you come to grips with that in an honest way you're going to continue on the same path, just playing around the edges of stopping.

A young guy I used to work with was like that. He was probably one of the smartest people I'll ever meet. But he was a serious drunk by the young age of 27, and some of my co-workers would go scouring Los Angeles for him every week, finding him passed out on the street, at the bus station, in a park. To this day I have no idea how they even figured out where to look - it's a big place. He was finally fired for repeated no-call no-show. And eventually people got tired of taking care of him and his issues.

Anyway, statistically, things didn't look so good for him. To be that young, that drunk, that often, to have lost your job and your friends b/c alcohol was far more important, to have lost your home and be having to move from friend to relative to acquaintance burning your bridges behind you - he was close to being a street bum.

In any case, through some process of insight, honesty, and facing his demons he got sober, got his PhD in chemistry, got a good job he enjoys, got married, now has a family he loves dearly. So I know it can be done, even for people who look pretty deep into self-destruction.




SignyM: I swear, if we really knew what was being decided about us in our absence, and how hosed the government is prepared to let us be, we would string them up.

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Sure, the weed I no longer partake in would not allow me to get a decent job, and the alcohol I drink (though untracable the next day) will ruin my liver, it's not as if I've turned to Heroin or Meth.

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Sure, the weed I no longer partake in would not allow me to get a decent job, and the alcohol I drink (though untracable the next day) will ruin my liver, it's not as if I've turned to Heroin or Meth.

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You're still making excuses. :/

If you're addicted to something, it doesn't matter if you're not addicted to something that's MORE addictive, man. You're still addicted. You're still dependent. The substance is still impacting the quality of your life and might kill you.

It won't matter whether you were addicted to weed alcohol or heroin or meth if you end up dead either way.

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Maybe. But maybe you just ended up isolating yourself even more from what's real. And I know, what's real sucks, and the world is intolerable without any kind of escape. But on the other hand, maybe you weren't really living when you were like that. It just seemed like it to you because you felt better about things, but, were things REALLY better for you back then, more so than they are now? I suspect not (I mean, I know people knock you for talking about your house so much, but, you actually OWN a HOUSE).

I suspect you're looking through gold lenses of nostalgia at the past and the time when you were on weed. But you were just as addicted, and just as non-functional as you say you are now.

That's what addiction does to you.

And that's why no addiction is good, that's why you shouldn't try to replace one addiction with another, and why you shouldn't tell yourself you liked being addicted to something else more. What you NEED to do, instead of wish you had more weed or booze, is try to figure out why you think you need so much weed or booze, and confront that.

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For years I would find my kinks outside of our marriage, and occasionally I'd pleasure her myself and maybe we'd have a kid or two. I'd still be everywhere but home looking for my next cerebral fix....

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