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"God Particle" found?

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Tuesday, July 3, 2012 8:56 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Interesting development. Wonder what it will mean...
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In the early morning hours Wednesday, physicists in Switzerland may announce that they've discovered the elusive "God Particle," aka the Higgs boson.

For more than half a century, the Higgs has been the theoretical mechanism that imbued matter with mass after the Big Bang, so that the swirling chaos of the universe could coalesce into planets and, eventually, life. Since 1994, Southern Methodist University physics professor Ryszard Stroynowski has been involved in the construction of a device that could detect the presence of the Higgs in the Large Hadron Collider. Back in December, the Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) announced they'd narrowed their search down to a small range of masses. Reached Tuesday, he was tight-lipped about Wednesday's announcement.

"I'm involved with (one of two CERN experiments, known as ATLAS) and I can tell you that we're confident and that we have enough data to cover whatever statements we're making," Stroynowski tells Unfair Park. The wording of that statement, though, will be carefully couched.

Two anonymous CERN researchers leaked to the journal Nature the discovery of a new particle. But is it the Higgs, or something they hadn't counted on?

"By tomorrow, we will say we found something. The wording will be official wording from the lab," Stroynowski says. "We definitely have a strong indication for something we haven't seen before."

What that something is would do nothing less than explain gravity and the creation of the universe.

"It's like opening a door to a completely new field, so it's really exciting," he says. "I have never seen what I call 'Higgs-teria' at this level. The amount of interest in the media is something which I have never seen in my entire professional life, over 40 years now."

The announcement should come at around 2 a.m. our time. http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2012/07/smu_prof_involved_i
n_god_parti.php


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Tuesday, July 3, 2012 10:24 AM

BYTEMITE


I'm okay with the Higgs boson. If they find dark energy or dark matter though...

Well, we'll have to figure out some suitably embarrassing dare I'll have to do if I lose that bet. Maybe pose in a bikini and post it here? Although considering their whole faster than light claim they tried to pull a year ago, maybe I'll wait six months for independent confirmation first.

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Tuesday, July 3, 2012 11:17 AM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!



So, those 'evilution' believing scientists claim to have found what they SAY must exist for their godless science to be valid , huh ?


" We're all just folk. " - Mal

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, July 3, 2012 2:07 PM

OONJERAH



I guess ... they know it's there, but it's too subtle to show itself?

Any mind that can comprehend and study particle physics is far above anyone
I ever knew. My dad worked at SLAC* and had a fair insight on what they all
were doing there. He was brilliant for a farm boy mechanic. Sometimes, we
get a Newton, Pascal or Tesla. They live in the stratosphere of mental compre-
hension and creativity. But the average person hasn't got sense enough to
be in awe of them.

ETA: *Stanford Linear Accelerator

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Wednesday, July 4, 2012 8:59 PM

MAGONSDAUGHTER


May the Force be with you

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Thursday, July 5, 2012 4:31 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Your dad worked at SLAC, Oonj? How neat. I used to drive by it every time, and every time ponder what was happening down there--as well as the amusing fact that it's sitting flat on the San Andreas!


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Thursday, July 5, 2012 5:37 AM

PHOENIXROSE

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.


Ugh, please don't call it the god particle. Such a ludicrous nickname.

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Originally posted by BYTEMITE:
maybe I'll wait six months for independent confirmation first.


Not a bad call, but the Higgs has been confirmed by two independent studies as of the press releases. Also, a great many people in the scientific community seem to be confirming that this is the Higgs, or something close enough to bear the name. I didn't really see the community clamoring over the neutrinos last year; most of them thought it must have been a fluke reading or mistake, and indeed it was. Also, the Higgs doesn't break the laws of physics. (Neither does dark energy, for that matter.)


What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

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Thursday, July 5, 2012 6:26 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yup, they've announced and are celebrating:
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There's a 5-in-10 million chance that this is a fluke. That was enough for physicists to declare that the Higgs boson – the world's most-wanted particle – has been discovered. Rapturous applause, whistles and cheers filled the auditorium at CERN, near Geneva, Switzerland.

Almost 50 years after its existence was first predicted, the breakthrough means that the standard model of particle physics, which explains all known particles and the forces that act upon them, is now complete.

A Higgs boson with a mass of around 125 to 126 gigaelectronvolts (GeV) was seen separately by the twin CMS and ATLAS detectors at the Large Hadron Collider, each with a confidence level of 5 sigma, or standard deviations, the heads of the experiments announced today at CERN.

Even by particle physicists' strict standards, that's statistically significant enough to count as a particle discovery.

"I think we have it," said Rolf Heuer, director general of CERN, as he concluded a hotly-anticipated seminar, which began today at 9am local time.

Around the world the results were being watched at the International Conference on High Energy Physics in Melbourne, Australia. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22014-celebrations-as-higgs-boso
n-is-finally-discovered.html
, are gearing up:
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Physicists propose factory to spew out Higgs particles

No sooner has one mammoth accelerator delivered its first big result, than discussions begin on what should replace it.

At the annual get-together of Nobel prizewinners in Lindau, Germany, this week, all the talk was of whether the Large Hadron Collider is the right instrument to find out what exactly the LHC has found.

The problem is that the LHC collides two beams of protons. Protons are made of a melange of smaller particles, quarks and the gluons that hold them together, so when two of them hit, the result is a confusing array of shrapnel.

Finding something that looks like the Higgs boson has required painstaking reconstructions of what was fleetingly produced in the violence of the collisions. So much different stuff is produced that it might simply be too confusing an environment in which to pin down with any certainly what the putative Higgs's true properties are, and so reach a conclusive identification.

"The question is, will the LHC be able to do it at all? Or do we need something else?" says Carlo Rubbia, an experimentalist who as the head of CERN, Europe's particle physics lab near Geneva, Switzerland, played a major part in getting the LHC project off the ground in the 1990s.More at http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn22021-physicists-propose-factory
-to-spew-out-higgs-particles.html
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Thursday, July 5, 2012 6:29 AM

BYTEMITE


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Not a bad call, but the Higgs has been confirmed by two independent studies as of the press releases. Also, a great many people in the scientific community seem to be confirming that this is the Higgs, or something close enough to bear the name. I didn't really see the community clamoring over the neutrinos last year; most of them thought it must have been a fluke reading or mistake, and indeed it was. Also, the Higgs doesn't break the laws of physics.


Higgs is fine, I'm willing to accept up front that Higgs exists.

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(Neither does dark energy, for that matter.)


No, it doesn't. But it does start by assuming that we have the laws of physics RIGHT, and then we created a new kind of stuff to fit the data to what we want it to be. Stuff that is going to be very difficult prove it even exists, let alone detect.

Most other matter and energy we can at least establish mathematically and make predictions about what their properties are. Dark matter and dark energy? No dice.

Forgive me if I have my doubts.


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Thursday, July 5, 2012 11:07 AM

BYTEMITE


Here is discover magazines' report on this. Bit of technojargon here, but with wikipedia reference searching should shed some light on the specifics.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/

Though here's also a blog explaining some of the technojargon

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/cosmicvariance/2007/11/06/higgs-101/

Bleg, it would be just my luck after making a bet like this that it turns out components of the Higgs boson are dark matter and therefore have already been discovered. :/ But I think I'm still okay.

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Thursday, July 5, 2012 4:00 PM

RIONAEIRE

Beir bua agus beannacht


Exciting for the world of physics.

I have Kathy Bates on speed dial, mwa ha ha ha (in exaggeratedly evil voice)

"A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya.

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Thursday, July 5, 2012 5:44 PM

FREMDFIRMA


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Originally posted by Oonjerah:
Sometimes, we get a Newton, Pascal or Tesla. They live in the stratosphere of mental comprehension and creativity.
But the average person hasn't got sense enough to be in awe of them.


Awe ?
Well yeah, that about sums it up, cause along with the respect, the word "awe" hints at a certain degree of fear, perhaps even terror, as well.
And frankly, Tesla *was* terrifying, and Eddie Teller even more so!

-F

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Friday, July 6, 2012 4:27 AM

HERO


I found the God Particle...no wait, its just really good BBQ sauce.

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Friday, July 6, 2012 6:01 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by Hero:
I found the God Particle...no wait, its just really good BBQ sauce.



My (now) ex-girlfriend found the God Particle just last night...... in my pants....




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Friday, July 6, 2012 7:52 AM

HERO


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My (now) ex-girlfriend found the God Particle just last night...... in my pants....


Hahahahahaha. Its funny because its SO small and hard to find...at least we know why she's your 'ex'.

Probably left you for a massive black hole...you know, once they go black...

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012

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Friday, July 6, 2012 7:58 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by Hero:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
My (now) ex-girlfriend found the God Particle just last night...... in my pants....


Hahahahahaha. Its funny because its SO small and hard to find...at least we know why she's your 'ex'.

Probably left you for a massive black hole...you know, once they go black...

H

Hero...must be right on all of this. ALL of the rest of us are wrong. Chrisisall, 2012



Holy crap-cunt-tards......!!!!!

Send that shit to Chris Rock my man... He'll make it famous in a second!


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