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Nah, of COURSE racism is dead in America!
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 5:51 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:A Mississippi church that wouldn't allow a black couple to marry in its sanctuary because of the couple's race appears to be trying to right a wrong, as officials with the church's denomination decried the incident. Charles and Te' Andrea Wilson, regular attendees at First Baptist Church in Crystal Springs, Mississippi, were forced to relocate their wedding this month at the last minute. Their pastor, Stan Weatherford, made the relocation request on behalf of some congregants who didn't want to see the couple married there, according to CNN affiliate WLBT. Stan Weatherford, their pastor, performed the ceremony at a nearby church. Weatherford told CNN affiliate WLBT last week about why he agreed to move the wedding. "I didn't want to have a controversy within the church, and I didn't want a controversy to affect the wedding of Charles and Te' Andrea," he said. "I wanted to make sure their wedding day was a special day." When contacted Monday evening, Weatherford said the church would have no comment on the situation. Copiah County Baptist Association Director George Pat Bufkin portrayed the move to deny the black couple a chance to marry in the church as the work of a small minority whom he called "radicals" and who he said made mostly anonymous calls to their pastor to complain about the black couple's wedding. Bufkin said he did not know who exactly was behind the calls. "Everyone should understand that in the SBC this decision resides with the local congregation for good or ill. If this couple was indeed rejected because of their race, as a Southern Baptist I’m embarrassed, frustrated, and I apologize to the couple on behalf of the Convention for the hurt and emotional pain they’ve experienced,” said Richard Land, head of the public policy arm of the Southern Baptist Convention, criticized First Baptist's action. Charles Wilson, the groom at the center of the controversy, said on Sunday, "All we wanted to do in the eyes of God was to be man and wife in a church that we thought we felt loved. What was wrong with that?" Te'Andrea Wilson said, "I had dreams of having my wedding the way I wanted it, and I also dreamed of having it at the church and unfortunately, it didn't happen." Her husband said if there was a time to "step up and be Christ-like," it was before their wedding. "If it was such a minority of people, why didn't the majority stand up and say, 'In God's house we don't do this'?" Charles Wilson asked. http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/30/church-that-barred-black-wedding-affirms-commitment-to-equal-treatment/?hpt=hp_t3
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 8:40 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Well, it IS Mississippi, after all!
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:43 AM
KPO
Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 11:37 AM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: This isn't religion's fault 'raptor. Religion doesn't teach this. This is racism despite religion. It's not personal. It's just war.
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:29 PM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote:Originally posted by kpo: This isn't religion's fault 'raptor. Religion doesn't teach this. This is racism despite religion. It's not personal. It's just war. No one spoke up or out, did they? Save for the " leader ". Ugly racism? Yeah, likely. But I also see small minded followers who don't want to make waves.
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 12:31 PM
Quote:No one spoke up or out, did they? Save for the " leader ". Ugly racism? Yeah, likely. But I also see small minded followers who don't want to make waves.
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:01 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: That's because they're most likely Republicans.
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 1:08 PM
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: It's that simple, don't over-complicate it.
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 3:05 PM
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:02 PM
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:07 PM
GEEZER
Keep the Shiny side up
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:18 PM
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 4:26 PM
STORYMARK
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: But notice that when you, and I, and pretty much everyone we know reads about the folks that would oppose holding this marriage in their church, our first thought is "What the fuck is the matter with these people?" I suspect that the vast majority of America feels the same way.
Wednesday, August 1, 2012 12:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: But notice that when you, and I, and pretty much everyone we know reads about the folks that would oppose holding this marriage in their church, our first thought is "What the fuck is the matter with these people?" I suspect that the vast majority of America feels the same way. The same way most people will soon think of those who were against gay marriage.
Wednesday, August 1, 2012 2:06 AM
Wednesday, August 1, 2012 2:39 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by kpo: Don't get me wrong, the church has not covered itself in glory here. This is a pretty terrible advertisement for Christianity. But a desire to exclude black people does not come from religious zeal - it comes from racism. It's that simple, don't over-complicate it.
Wednesday, August 1, 2012 4:22 AM
CAVETROLL
Wednesday, August 1, 2012 5:02 AM
Quote:Originally posted by CaveTroll: Like Obama was in 2008?
Wednesday, August 1, 2012 6:15 AM
Quote: a desire to exclude black people does not come from religious zeal - it comes from racism. It's that simple, don't over-complicate it.
Quote: "Anytime the church grows you always have the devil there, trying to stir up problems," Bufkin said. "That's what occurred here and the deacons have already nipped that in the bud." Jonathan Thompson, the 27-year-old community relations director for the city of Crystal Springs, was at First Baptist's Sunday service, and said the incident "didn't represent all the people of the church." "I wanted to come as a voice of racial reconciliation and spiritual reconciliation," said Thompson, who is African-American, explaining his decision to go to the church on Sunday. Thompson said he was welcomed at the service. "I was allowed to give the closing prayer," he said. He said he prayed God would forgive all of them for their sins and that they would be able to find reconciliation. First Baptist's move to deny a wedding venue has been blasted by local and national officials with the Southern Baptist Convention, whose 16 million members make up the largest Protestant denomination in the United States. "Mississippi Baptists both reject racial discrimination and at the same time respect the autonomy of our local churches to deal with difficulties and disagreements under the lordship of Jesus," said Dr. Jim Futral, the executive director the Mississippi Baptist Convention. "The SBC has taken a strong position that racism is a sin and Christians should always oppose it," he said, referring to the Southern Baptist Convention. "We're also grieved when a small group attempts to set policy for the entire congregation." "There are valid as well as nonvalid reasons for not permitting a couple to get married with the blessing of that local congregation of believers," Land said. "The race or ethnicity of that couple is never a valid reason and any local body of believers who rejects a couple on those grounds should be reprimanded." "Everyone should understand that in the SBC this decision resides with the local congregation for good or ill. If this couple was indeed rejected because of their race, as a Southern Baptist I’m embarrassed, frustrated, and I apologize to the couple on behalf of the Convention for the hurt and emotional pain they’ve experienced,” Land's statement continued. On Sunday, some church members reacted to news of the wedding with surprise. Many hadn't known what happened to the Wilsons until they heard about it on the news, and offered apologies. "I would say I'm sorry this happened and would you forgive the people who caused it? Because we're gonna try to," Bob Mack told CNN affiliate WLBT.
Quote: our first thought is "What the fuck is the matter with these people?" I suspect that the vast majority of America feels the same way.
Quote: If this wasn't just a "practical joke" that some kids or idiot drunks were playing
Wednesday, August 1, 2012 7:28 AM
Quote:Originally posted by CaveTroll: Quote:Originally posted by Storymark: Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: But notice that when you, and I, and pretty much everyone we know reads about the folks that would oppose holding this marriage in their church, our first thought is "What the fuck is the matter with these people?" I suspect that the vast majority of America feels the same way. The same way most people will soon think of those who were against gay marriage. Like Obama was in 2008? Kwindbago, hot air and angry electrons
Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Quote: If this wasn't just a "practical joke" that some kids or idiot drunks were playing There is absolutely NO evidence it was anything of the sort, and the odds are very much against it having been this. Aside from which, whatever age the complainers were, it's wrong, which is what we're debating.
Thursday, August 2, 2012 6:41 AM
Quote: First Baptist's move to deny a wedding venue has been blasted by local and national officials with the Southern Baptist Convention, whose 16 million members make up the largest Protestant denomination in the United States. If this couple was indeed rejected because of their race, as a Southern Baptist I’m embarrassed, frustrated, and I apologize to the couple on behalf of the Convention for the hurt and emotional pain they’ve experienced,”
Quote: "I didn't want to have a controversy within the church, and I didn't want a controversy to affect the wedding of Charles and Te' Andrea," he said. "I wanted to make sure their wedding day was a special day."
Quote: made the relocation request on behalf of some congregants who didn't want to see the couple married there.
Thursday, August 2, 2012 7:14 AM
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Thursday, August 2, 2012 12:56 PM
Friday, August 3, 2012 3:24 AM
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: Hooo-kay, that's the end of that. I showed enough respect to read your entire post; obviously you don't feel the same. Therein, I explained why your extrapolations were erroneous, and provided facts and valid reasoning. I've been trying to be civil, can't say I didn't try. But communication and civil debate is obviously impossible. Works for me.
Friday, August 3, 2012 5:29 AM
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Tuesday, August 14, 2012 8:30 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Thursday, August 16, 2012 4:45 AM
Quote:Originally posted by RionaEire: Really awful, yucky that people would do that. Luh suh. I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise. "A completely coherant River means writers don't deliver" KatTaya
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