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Syrian army punches through to beseiged Deir Ezzor

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 1:58 PM

SIGNYM

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I just thought I'd post this historic item. Like the retaking of East Aleppo, which was a turning point against al Qaeda, this is another turning point in the war .... this time, the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) along with Russian spec ops and air support have reached the embattled city of Deir Ezzor, which has been besieged by ISIS for over three years.

It was a race between American 'partners', spec ops/contractors versus the Syrian government/partners as to which forces would reach Deir Ezzor first. It looks like Syria won.

In addition, much of the desert area between Sukhna and Deir Ezzor is being taken by the SAA. I read an interesting prediction a little over a year ago, which said that the hilly areas in NW Syria (eg Idlib) and cities would be hard-won because the terrorists have had both the terrain and the oppty to dig in, but the desert areas would fall quickly because of lack of defensible areas. It seems that was a good prediction.
https://southfront.org/syrian-war-report-september-5-2017-army-officia
lly-breaks-isis-siege-on-deir-ezzor
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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 3:22 PM

RIVERLOVE


There's little difference in terms of savagery and slaughter of civilians on either side. Is this supposed to be good news for somebody?

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:00 PM

SIGNYM

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Yes, it's good news. Unless maybe you prefer ISIS.

Seems like you do.


ALEPPO (SYRIA), July 29, 2017 (Xinhua) -- Syrian people enjoy their time near the ancient citadel of Aleppo city in northern Syria on July 28, 2017.


People commute in the shattered Ansari neighborhood, east of Aleppo city, northern Syria, July 28, 2017. The rebels had stayed in the east of Aleppo for five years before they evacuated in December of 2016. Seven months after the Syrian army took full control over the city, life starts to beat again through devastation and destruction in the area.
http://www.prokerala.com/news/photos/syria-aleppo-feature-281702.html

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 4:41 PM

RIVERLOVE


Clear out ISIS so Assad's forces can gas whoever's left. Oh yeah, great news!

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:08 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Clear out ISIS so Assad's forces can gas whoever's left. Oh yeah, great news!



What a dupe.

But hey, keep on believing ... whatever it is that you believe.



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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:11 PM

RIVERLOVE


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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What a dupe.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:14 PM

SIGNYM

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ORIGINALLY POSTED BY RIVERLOVE

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Yep, that's YOUR level of intelligence!

Hey, I could do this all day. But every random irate answer that you post just makes you look like a bigger and bigger turd. So, do YOU want to look like a bigger and bigger turd with each post?

Your choice!

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:24 PM

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 7:49 PM

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Originally posted by Riverlove:



RL - fwiw that's not SIGNYM - she's not due back here for another 12 days.

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 8:28 PM

KPO


It's a sign that Assad and Russia's suppression of the revolution is going well - that they're actually bothering to fight ISIS. I wonder if this will affect Assad's oil & gas deals with ISIS?

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 9:07 PM

KPO


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
It's a sign that Assad and Russia's suppression of the revolution is going well - that they're actually bothering to fight ISIS.




This is what that suppression looks like: shelling of rebel-held towns. Just an example from today (GRAPHIC):

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Tuesday, September 5, 2017 9:22 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

This is what that suppression looks like: shelling of rebel-held towns.

oh, you mean like Kiev shells Donbas?




And it's not like Donbas residents (or Russians) are invading western Kiev, so what's the excuse?

Quote:

Amnesty Says U.S.-Led Coalition May Have Committed War Crimes In Mosul

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/12/536870827/amnesty-sa
ys-u-s-led-coalition-may-have-committed-war-crimes-in-mosul


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The massacre of Mosul: 40,000 feared dead in battle to take back city from Isis as scale of civilian casualties revealed

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/mosul-massacre-bat
tle-isis-iraq-city-civilian-casualties-killed-deaths-fighting-forces-islamic-state-a7848781.html


KPO, you've got that same wobbly sense of right and wrong that some of the liberals here have about Antifa. You know that comment that you made, how it was so obvious the equal crimes should be treated equally that it went without saying?
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But this is so obvious that it goes without saying. Who ever said anything different? I smell a lie.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=61877&p=2

I do indeed smell a lie. And it's you, KRAPO.

One of the things that I thought was interesting is that right after the liberation of East Aleppo, Russia sent a bunch of police to control the situation. Russian police, in East Aleppo. And I thought Police??? Why police??. Until I read about the reprisal killings in Mosul, and the reason clicked. To drive the point home, it looks like Russians have thought this whole "liberation" thing through better than we have.


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Wednesday, September 6, 2017 10:27 PM

SIGNYM

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Yanno, I just wanted to bump this to make sure that we all know that KPO lies to himself.

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Thursday, September 7, 2017 12:18 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Is this thread littered with sarcasm? Can't quite tell.

Is KPO arguing that Trump should repeat Obama's giving Mosul back to ISIS, to commit further genocide? Then even more military casualites can be multiplied.

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Thursday, September 7, 2017 12:13 PM

SIGNYM

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It seems to me that G, KPO, THUGR, and RIVERLOVE have a soft spot in their hearts for ISIS. That's because they're so focused on "Assad must go" that they fail to see how evil their proxy-army really is. Instead, they cling to the fiction that these are just "freedom loving rebels" instead of head-lopping jihadists.

There has been a looong campaign of indirect CIA support for both al Qaeda and ISIS in Syria. Most "Free Syrian Army" soldiers trained by the USA promptly defected to the terrorists. Weaponry destined for the "Free Syrian Army" wound up in the hands of terrorists. The "Free Syrian Army" was primarily a fiction to allow western support for proxy terrorists in Syria.

Did you know that (until about a year ago) Saudi Arabia was paying jihadists in Raqqa with Saudi money and supplying them with captagon, as well as supplying them with weapons and ammunition? Saudi Arabia is STILL supporting terrorists in Syria. And let's not forget Turkey's role in coddling terrorists and trans-shipping weapons to terrorists in Syria, and laundering ISIS oil out of Syria too. In fact, destroying Syria has been a multi-national project involving the USA, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Qatar (and most of the other Gulf States); Jordan, some eastern European nations, and any other proxies and sycophants that the CIA could dredge up, altho some nations have stepped away from this dead CIA project.

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Journalist Interrogated, Fired For Story Linking CIA And Syria Weapons Flights

A months-long investigation which tracked and exposed a massive covert weapons shipment network to terror groups in Syria via diplomatic flights originating in the Caucuses and Eastern Europe under the watch of the CIA and other intelligence agencies has resulted in the interrogation and firing of the Bulgarian journalist who first broke the story. This comes as the original report is finally breaking into mainstream international coverage.

Investigative reporter Dilyana Gaytandzhieva authored a bombshell report for Trud Newspaper, based in Sofia, Bulgaria, which found that an Azerbaijan state airline company was regularly transporting tons of weaponry to Saudi Arabia, United Arab Emirates (UAE), and Turkey under diplomatic cover as part of the CIA covert program to supply anti-Assad fighters in Syria. Those weapons, Gaytandzhieva found, ended up in the hands of ISIS and al-Qaeda terrorists in Iraq and Syria.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-08-28/journalist-interrogated-fired
-story-linking-cia-and-syria-weapons-flights


I'm linking Zerohedge simply because it's the first one at the top of the search list, but I listened to an hour-long interview of the reporter who broke this story. This woman is a cautious, fact-based investigative journalist. She has (leaked) manifests and done on-the-ground interviews in Syria and Turkey as to where these weapons passed through or were used, so I find this to be a very credible story.

There is a report, I don't know how credible, that the USA airlifted some 20 ISIS commanders out of Deir Ezzor before it's total liberation by the SAA.
http://en.deirezzor24.net/with-the-approaching-of-the-battle-of-deir-e
zzor-the-coalition-evacuate-two-of-their-spies-who-operated-as-daesh-commanders-in-western-deir-ezzor
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I wonder if this will affect Assad's oil & gas deals with ISIS? - KPO
Are you just pretending to be that stupid? Syria will militarily re-take all Syrian oilfields, and that will be the end of "ISIS oil". And good f&cking riddance, I say. I'm sure you do, too. [/snark]


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Friday, September 8, 2017 11:22 AM

KPO


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Clear out ISIS so Assad's forces can gas whoever's left. Oh yeah, great news!



What a dupe.


Oh what great timing. A day after Siggy posted this, the UN released its report on the Khan Shaykhun gas attacks and concluded:

1. Yes, Assad did it




2. Syrian and/or Russian airstrikes targeted the hospital treating the victims




3. The Russian and Syrian governments pushed an entirely false version of events



https://t.co/gvdrDAwCKO

Now let's all wait for Siggy to apologise for being (rudely and aggressively) wrong, again.

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Friday, September 8, 2017 11:32 AM

KPO


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It seems to me that G, KPO, THUGR, and RIVERLOVE have a soft spot in their hearts for ISIS.


God, here we go...

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There is a report, I don't know how credible, that the USA airlifted some 20 ISIS commanders out of Deir Ezzor before it's total liberation by the SAA.



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Friday, September 8, 2017 11:43 AM

KPO


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Is KPO arguing that Trump should repeat Obama's giving Mosul back to ISIS,


Of course Obama gave Mosul to ISIS, I mean, he created them, right?

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Friday, September 8, 2017 12:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It seems to me that G, KPO, THUGR, and RIVERLOVE have a soft spot in their hearts for ISIS. That's because they're so focused on "Assad must go" that they fail to see how evil their proxy-army really is. Instead, they cling to the fiction that these are just "freedom loving rebels" instead of head-lopping jihadists.



It seems to me that you have a soft spot in your head.

On the plus side, thanks for the public record of your lying.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61899

No longer can you say you aren't a liar (not that I think you really care).

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Friday, September 8, 2017 12:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It seems to me that G, KPO, THUGR, and RIVERLOVE have a soft spot in their hearts for ISIS.


God, here we go...

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There is a report, I don't know how credible, that the USA airlifted some 20 ISIS commanders out of Deir Ezzor before it's total liberation by the SAA.






Right out of the St. Petersburg community college classroom and into your local forum, bang zoom.

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Friday, September 8, 2017 1:33 PM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by Riverlove:
Clear out ISIS so Assad's forces can gas whoever's left. Oh yeah, great news!



What a dupe.


Oh what great timing. A day after Siggy posted this, the UN released its report on the Khan Shaykhun gas attacks and concluded:

1. Yes, Assad did it

Now let's all wait for Siggy to apologise for being (rudely and aggressively) wrong, again.


Delusional idiots never apologize. The whole world knows Assad has gassed his people many times, but Ziggy stands by her man like an uncontrollably horny groupie.

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Friday, September 8, 2017 1:36 PM

SIGNYM

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I'd like to access the document KPO, but the link is bad. All I get is this

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ODS - Sédoc

Official Documents System of the United Nations
Système de diffusion électronique des documents de l'ONU


Official Document System

There is an end-user problem. If you have reached this site from a web link,
- Through your internet options, adjust your privacy settings to allow cookies or
- Check your security settings and make sure this site has not been blocked or
- You are probably using a very slow link that may not work well with this application.
Otherwise you have reached this site through unauthorized means.




I've tried successively lopping off various bits of the link to see if I can reach a good one, but the best I can do is this https://documents.un.org/prod/ods.nsf/home.xsp and I don't seem to be able to pull out the document using their search engine.

Everybody knows that the area was being bombed, even the Syrian government said so. But the report was made without anyone who wrote actually being able to get to and examine the site, and so you have conclusions in the report like this

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The Commission has not, however, found any evidence to support the claims that HTS or armed groups had a weapons depot in the area ... Satellite imagery shows damage to structure at a nearby grain silo ... though the silo and a nearby bakery were empty.


What, jihadists can't use empty grain silos, bakeries, and nearby "structures" as arms depots? How could you possibly tell if it was, or wasn't, being used as an arms depot, except by repeated absence of activity (pickup trucks etc.) over a period of time? Jihadists are known to use hospitals, and medical treatment centers, factories, and water treatment plants as field offices. It's too bad that they so often use civilian buildings as infrastructural hostages.

When NPR reported in this, they said, in essence: "The UN found that Assad did it." No evidence, no explanation, just a blank bald statement, The devil, or god, is in the details.


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Friday, September 8, 2017 1:40 PM

RIVERLOVE


Quote:

Originally posted by kpo:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It seems to me that G, KPO, THUGR, and RIVERLOVE have a soft spot in their hearts for ISIS.


God, here we go...


I'm included in a Ziggy rant against you and G? A bona fide WTF moment indeed!

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Friday, September 8, 2017 2:14 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

It seems to me that G, KPO, THUGR, and RIVERLOVE have a soft spot in their hearts for ISIS. - SIGNY

God, here we go...
I'm included in a Ziggy rant against you and G? A bona fide WTF moment indeed! - RL



The only way this would be a WTF moment for you is if you don't read your own posts.

ETA: But you have more important things to worry about.

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Saturday, September 9, 2017 12:22 AM

KPO


Siggy, try:

https://t.co/gvdrDAwCKO

Original link edited as well.

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Saturday, September 9, 2017 12:40 AM

KPO


Quote:


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The Commission has not, however, found any evidence to support the claims that HTS or armed groups had a weapons depot in the area ...

Sig - What, jihadists can't use empty grain silos, bakeries, and nearby "structures" as arms depots?


A predictable attempt to stir bullshit and muddy the waters - that is, of course complete nonsense. The report said clearly, "no evidence" not "theoretically impossible". What, Russian propaganda hasn't got a line on this yet? Here, try this: https://www.rt.com/op-edge/402233-syria-chemical-report-un/

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Saturday, September 9, 2017 2:24 AM

KPO


An interesting subplot in the Deir al-Zour assault:

Quote:

US pulls back surveillance on ISIS convoy at Russian request


Surveillance aircraft that were monitoring an Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS) convoy stuck in the desert in eastern Syria have left the area at the request of Russian officials, the U.S.-led coalition said Friday.

“To ensure safe de-confliction of efforts to defeat ISIS, coalition surveillance aircraft departed the adjacent airspace at the request of Russian officials during their assault on Dawyr Az Zawyr,” the coalition said in a statement.

ISIS fighters and their family members have been stranded on eleven buses in the desert for more than a week.

The convoy showdown began last month, when ISIS struck a deal with the Lebanese militant group Hezbollah — a chief ally of the Syrian government — for safe passage from an area near the Syrian border with Lebanon to ISIS-held territory in eastern Syria bordering Iraq. To get there, the original 17-bus convoy planned to travel through Syrian government-controlled territory.

The U.S.-led coalition, intent on making sure the convoy did not make it to the Iraqi border and link up with other ISIS fighters, cratered the road and destroyed a bridge with airstrikes. That forced six buses to turn back to Palmyra, a Syrian government-controlled city, and stranded the remaining 11.



http://thehill.com/policy/defense/349886-us-pulls-back-surveillance-on
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Saturday, September 9, 2017 8:40 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

]Originally posted by kpo:
An interesting subplot in the Deir al-Zour assault:

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US pulls back surveillance on ISIS convoy at Russian request

In other words, the USA decided to stop THIS PARTICULAR ILLEGAL MILITARY ACTION IN SYRIA.

Because, yanno, unlike Russia, the USA and it's coalition "partners" have never been invited into Syria, which is still a sovereign nation despite the USA's best efforts to the contrary.

But hey, what's a little international law to the USA and it's supporters, who somehow believe that they can bomb and destroy nations at will???

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Saturday, September 9, 2017 10:42 AM

SIGNYM

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Thanks for the link.

There are a few reasons why I wanted to see the while document

1) The fact that YOUR references are from such widely-scattered parts of the report led me to believe that this wasn't JUST a report on Khan Shaykhun, but part of a much larger report. And indeed, that is the case.

2) There may be specific conflicting information that could be probative if resolved, or missing information that could throw serious doubt on "who did what".

The report is a larger report that looks at ALL of the actions of ALL of the parties active in Syria. Several parts of the report specifically mention the "international coalition" (i.e. the USA and its partners). Here is one such mention

Quote:

]The Commission is gravely concerned about the impact of international coalition air strikes on civilians. In Al-Jinah, Aleppo, forces of the United States of America failed to take all feasible precautions to protect civilians and civilian objects when attacking a mosque, in violation of international humanitarian law. In Ar-Raqqah, the ongoing Syrian Democratic Forces and international coalition offensive to repel ISIL has displaced over 190,000 persons, and coalition air strikes have reportedly resulted in significant numbers of civilians killed and injured. Investigations are ongoing.
When East Aleppo was liberated, all you could hear, nonstop in western press and here by ISIS cheerleaders, was the number of displaced people, estimates ranged from a low of 13,000 to a high of 50,000, IIRC. But with American action in Raqqa, this figure NEVER COMES UP on western press. So, the facts are that almost 200,000 people in Raqqa have been displaced, and god only knows how many people have been killed.

KHAN SHAYKHUN

The greatest discrepancy in eyewitness testimony is the time of the attack. Some eyewitnesses claim that early-warning spotters saw aircraft around 6:20 AM (ten minutes after official sunrise) while
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The Commission notes that two individuals interviewed by the OPCW claimed that on the morning of 4 April the early warning system did not issue warnings until 11 to 11.30 am, and that no aircraft
were observed until that time.



On the other hand ...
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Eyewitnesses explained seeing a plane over Khan Shaykhun at around 6.45 am, and numerous interviewees recalled hearing messages from the early warning system 20 minutes prior to the strikes. As further examined below (paras. 17 -18), 11:30 am was the time when the al-Rahma medical point in Khan Shaykhun was attacked by airstrikes including cluster incendiary munitions, though not chemical weapons. In the span of a few minutes, the aircraft, identified by interviewees as a Su-22, made two passes over the town and dropped four bombs. ... Satellite imagery, photographs, and video footage corroborate witness accounts that air delivered munitions hit the impact points of the four bombs


Why is this important?

Chemical weapons work best in early morning hours. That's when the air is usually still, and before heating warms ground-level air, which disperses the toxic agent too quickly.

Most witnesses claim a 6:45 AM attack, including regular missile-srikes (louder explosion), however some of them claim an 11:30 AM airstrike, which is exactly when the SAA claims it hit Khan Shaykhun.

Since the area is held by a terrorist group, they would hardly provide exculpatory evidence for the Syrian airforce. There is the possibility that many of the witnesses were coached, but that two of them provided authentic testimony. Since the best lies are those that contain the most elements of truth, the "official" terrorist story would only have to time-shift the attack and add a few elements. It would be interesting to find out how many witnesses were interviewed and whether the UN was able to interview them at random, whether any women or children were interviewed or whether they were all military-aged men.

IF the target was really the hospital, then the Syrian air force would probably wait until the best light for better targeting. If OTOH the intent was really to spread chemical weapons, then the best time for attack would be in the early AM.

Also, the report says the missile was Soviet-era; it would have to be from 1991 or earlier: a rather elderly weapon to be using.

So, were there two attacks? If there were, who was responsible for which one? (one possibility brought up by someone who looked at the picture of the missile body says it looks like it was damaged by an explosion from the outside, as if deliberately set off on the ground.) Or was there only one? And when did it take place? It seems that there should be radar data which can conclusively demonstrate when. There is also the mention of available videos, which can be examined for time of day, and whether time hospital damage videos (if any) appear to be significantly later than videos of the chemical attack.

The biggest problem I have with all of this is that all of the evidence is coming through terrorists, so one must examine the evidence carefully for falsification, and I find this time-discrepancy troubling. I'll re-read the report to see if they have an explanation.



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Monday, September 11, 2017 9:33 AM

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Breaking News of Saudi Crown Prince's "Secret" Visit To Israel Brings Embassy Scramble

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-11/breaking-news-saudi-crown-pri
nces-secret-visit-israel-brings-embassy-scramble


Of course, Israel would want to coordinate with terrorist-promoting, oppressive monarchy Saudi Arabia!

I should look up ... whatever happened to the brouhaha with Qatar? It looks to me like Turkey has distanced itself from this failed "regime change" project, maybe Qatar has as well.



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Monday, September 11, 2017 7:01 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Because, yanno, unlike Russia, the USA and it's coalition "partners" have never been invited into Syria, which is still a sovereign nation despite the USA's best efforts to the contrary.

But hey, what's a little international law to the USA and it's supporters, who somehow believe that they can bomb and destroy nations at will???


Well Russia has been waging war in the Donbas region of Ukraine for 3 years now, in a war that has killed thousands, in complete defiance of Ukraine's national sovereignty (not to mention annexing Crimea). Funny how you've never criticised Russia for that. When the US conducts bombing missions against ISIS, however...

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Thanks for the link.

There are a few reasons why I wanted to see the whole document


I hope you're not posting this lengthy armchair analysis/parroting of Russian propaganda talking points for my benefit. I scroll through it.

You're the woman who made post after post promoting the theory that MH17 was shot down by a Ukrainian fighter jet. Your whole shtick is to make yourself sound expert and well-read and reasoned - but ultimately you're just parroting talking points of varying degrees of dumbness from Russian propaganda (or from pro-Russian blogs, which all get their opinions shaped by the Russian propaganda ecosystem).

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Well Russia has been waging war in the Donbas region of Ukraine for 3 years now ...
Do you mean that supposed 'invasion' you never found evidence for?

Whatever.




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:41 AM

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Originally posted by 1kiki:
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Well Russia has been waging war in the Donbas region of Ukraine for 3 years now ...
Do you mean that supposed 'invasion' you never found evidence for?

Whatever.


Russian Foreign Minister admits Russia's war in Ukraine:



Some more quotes, to put it into context:
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LAVROV: I have read and heard much criticism that we should not have got involved into the conflicts in Donbass and in Syria. But you should probably look at each given nation comprehensively...

...

Would it be acceptable for Russia, considering its international standing, to keep mum and recognise the coup in Ukraine, and to leave Russians and Russian speakers in Ukraine in the lurch after the first order issued by the organisers of the anti-constitutional armed revolt, which was supported by their foreign sponsors, banned many things that were connected with the Russian language? Should we have kept silent when they discriminated against the Russian language and announced that Russians must be kicked out of Crimea because they would never think like Ukrainians? But it does not matter now. Had we not done what we did, we would have betrayed our civilisation which our forefathers developed over centuries...



http://www.mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/news/-/asset_publisher/cKNonkJE02B
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Well Russia has been waging war in the Donbas region of Ukraine for 3 years now, in a war that has killed thousands
You will note that it was not "Russia" that killed "thousands", but the indiscriminate shelling of civilian centers by Kiev...

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in complete defiance of Ukraine's national sovereignty
Which Russia hopes to restore through the Minsk Protocol, which Kiev refuses to abide by.

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I have read and heard much criticism that we should not have got involved into the conflicts in Donbass and in Syria. But you should probably look at each given nation comprehensively. - Lavrov

KPO, are you subtly backing away from your long-promoted talking point that Russia "invaded" Ukraine? Are you downgrading Russia's actions to "involvement" after-the-fact?
Or do you still assert that Russia "invaded" Ukraine?

Meanwhile, in Syria, the USA and it's multiple partners in the regime change attempt have promoted terrorism and fostered a war which killed 400,000 people.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:24 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
You will note that it was not "Russia" that killed "thousands", but the indiscriminate shelling of civilian centers by Kiev...


The Russian/separatist assault on Debaltseve alone killed 500, the Russian/separatist shootdown of MH17 killed 300, and as for shelling of civilians, by far the worst incidents have been carried out by the separatists:

Rocket attack on a Ukrainian checkpoint (during a ceasefire) that killed 12:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volnovakha_bus_attack



Here's the CCTV of the attack, the camera pans to the right at the end to show the bus (the video has been geolocated):



Separatist shelling of Mariupol that killed 29:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/January_2015_Mariupol_rocket_attack



Anyone who watches those videos can see that it is the pro-Russian separatists who are indiscriminate when it comes to civilians.

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in complete defiance of Ukraine's national sovereignty
Which Russia hopes to restore through the Minsk Protocol




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KPO, are you subtly backing away from your long-promoted talking point that Russia "invaded" Ukraine?

Russia started this war that has killed 10,000+ and continues to stoke it with weapons, fighters, etc. Their proxy forces have indiscriminately killed civilians. They've annexed Crimea. "Invasion", "hybrid war" etc - I don't care much about the terminology, and I never have, what matters is that Putin has blood on his hands. And you can't defend him.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 4:43 PM

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War in Donbass: 3,600 Civilians Killed by Ukrainian Forces and Neo-Nazi Militia since Minsk II Agreement

According to figures obtained from the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) authorities, since the February 2015 Minsk II agreement over 3,600 civilians have died in the republic due to shelling, sniper and other attacks by the Armed Forces of Ukraine ...

As the neighbouring Luhansk People’s Republic (LPR) has also experienced similar military strikes and civilian casualties, a very rough estimate would suggest that at least 6,000 civilians have died in strikes by Ukrainian forces on the Donbass republics since Minsk II.

Obtaining accurate figures for casualties in the war in eastern Ukraine is extremely difficult due to the unstable and insecure situation on the ground, and the fact that the conflict is highly politicised and controversial not only locally, but across Europe and globally.

On 3 August the UN assistant secretary-general for political affairs Tayé-Brook Zerihoun reported to the UN Security Council that the total number of conflict-related casualties since the Ukrainian government launched its ‘Anti-Terrorist Operation’ in April 2014 was 30,729, including 9,333 killed and 21,396 injured.

But the report provides no breakdown of where the casualties have occurred other than “in the conflict area”, and there is no indication of which side was responsible.

According to the latest figures from the UN Human Rights Office and the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, from February 2015 to June 2016 261 civilians were killed in the conflict on both sides – far fewer than the DPR’s figures would suggest.

However, the UNHRO stresses that its figures are a “conservative estimate of the OHCHR based on available data” which are “incomplete due to gaps in coverage of certain geographic areas and time periods, and due to overall under-reporting”.

In February 2015, press reports quoted claims from the German BND intelligence service that 50,000 civilians and servicemen people had died in the Ukraine conflict, almost 10 times than figures given by Ukrainian president Petro Poroshkenko only days before, which said 1,200 Ukrainian soldiers and 5,400 civilians had died.


https://off-guardian.org/2016/09/15/war-in-donbass-3600-civilians-kill
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Russia started this war .... KPO
Cites and links for this bullshit, please?

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"Invasion", "hybrid war" etc - I don't care much about the terminology... KPO
So, is this the last that we hear from you about the so-called Russian "invasion" of Ukraine?

CIVILIAN VICTIMS OF SHELLING BY KIEV FORCES







Time to stop wasting so much time on you.


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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 5:06 PM

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The topic of the thread was Syria, not Ukraine.

Despite the American warning to Syrian forces not the cross the Euphrates (I'm sorry, but where does the USA get off telling another nation where to deploy its own troops in its own territory?) that's exactly what Syrian forces did.

Victory has been declared by some of the pro-Syrian fighters. Complete victory is still a ways off. Israel wants a Kurdistan. Someone should tell Netanyahu to go suck an egg.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:25 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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War in Donbass: 3,600 Civilians Killed by Ukrainian Forces and Neo-Nazi Militia since Minsk II Agreement


"Off-Guardian" - one of your pro-Russia blogs

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So, is this the last that we hear from you about the so-called Russian "invasion" of Ukraine?

The only people obsessed with the terminology are you and kiki. Contrary to your nonsense about this being one of my "talking points" I don't typically refer to the conflict as a Russian "invasion" - although one can always make the argument for that word when one country sends its military into another country and takes land by force.

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CIVILIAN VICTIMS OF SHELLING BY KIEV FORCES


No links, just graphic pictures. LOL that you think that's a slamdunk. Typical Siggy weak-ass evidencing. And even if you had bothered to evidence your claim, it doesn't even counter my point that the most egregious examples of killing of civilians has been done by the pro-Russian separatists. You know, the ones you are saying are "the good guys".

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Time to stop wasting so much time on you.

Smart, to throw in the towel so quickly.

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The topic of the thread was Syria, not Ukraine.

Yes, but when you lambasted the USA's violation of Syrian sovereignty (by bombing ISIS), I couldn't resist throwing your own hypocrisy in your face, as someone who cheerleads Russian violation of Ukrainian sovereignty.

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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:41 PM

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War in Donbass: 3,600 Civilians Killed by Ukrainian Forces and Neo-Nazi Militia since Minsk II Agreement - SIGNY

"Off-Guardian" - one of your pro-Russia blogs - KPO

Pro-Russian? Really? Cites and links, please. Typical of you to dismiss facts by name-calling a source.

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So, is this the last that we hear from you about the so-called Russian "invasion" of Ukraine?- SIGNY

The only people obsessed with the terminology are you and kiki. Contrary to your nonsense about this being one of my "talking points" I don't typically refer to the conflict as a Russian "invasion" - although one can always make the argument for that word when one country sends its military into another country and takes land by force.- KPO

Sure, you can "always" make the argument (if you want to stretch the definition terribly) but then you'd have to say that the USA "invaded" Syria.

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CIVILIAN VICTIMS OF SHELLING BY KIEV FORCES - SIGNY

No links, just graphic pictures. LOL that you think that's a slamdunk. Typical Siggy weak-ass evidencing. And even if you had bothered to evidence your claim, it doesn't even counter my point that the most egregious examples of killing of civilians has been done by the pro-Russian separatists. You know, the ones you are saying are "the good guys".- KPO

"The most egregious" would be the greatest in number. Since all YOU did was post videos- no tally - I decided to do the same.

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Time to stop wasting so much time on you.- SIGNY
Smart, to throw in the towel so quickly.- KPO

Heh heh heh

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The topic of the thread was Syria, not Ukraine.- SIGNY

Yes, but when you lambasted the USA's violation of Syrian sovereignty (by bombing ISIS)

AND SYRIAN TROOPS, AND SYRIAN CIVILIANS. Or did you "forget" that fact?
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I couldn't resist throwing your own hypocrisy in your face, as someone who cheerleads Russian violation of Ukrainian sovereignty.- KPO
I doubt you will find me "cheerleading" Russia in Ukraine. That's a typical lie of yours.

Yanno, at one time I started a thread dedicated to a point-by-point comparison of Syria versus the Ukraine. I thought it would be a good exercise to have similar situations with different actors to explore how the situations were the same, how they were different, and how we (that means you, too) reacted with different biases. You stayed away like it was the plague.


Oh BTW, you failed to respond to this ....
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Russia started this war .... KPO
Cites and links for this bullshit, please?- SIGNY

So, no cites or links? I guess Russia DIDN'T "start this war" then. You must just be incessantly repeating your propaganda, again.

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."
Yep, that's you. Incessantly repeating propaganda.



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Tuesday, September 12, 2017 9:50 PM

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You're the Commie and I'm the Nazi, Sigs.

Even though that doesn't make any sense considering the sources...


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Wednesday, September 13, 2017 11:30 AM

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Bombshell Report Catches Pentagon Falsifying Paperwork For Weapons Transfers To Syrian [so-called] Rebels

A new bombshell joint report issued by two international weapons monitoring groups Tuesday confirms that the Pentagon continues to ship record breaking amounts of weaponry into Syria and that the Department of Defense is scrubbing its own paper trail.

On Tuesday the Organized Crime and Corruption Reporting Project (OCCRP) and the Balkan Investigative Reporting Network (BIRN) produced conclusive evidence that not only is the Pentagon currently involved in shipping up to $2.2 billion worth of weapons from a shady network of private dealers to allied partners in Syria - mostly old Soviet weaponry - but is actually manipulating paperwork such as end-user certificates, presumably in order to hide US involvement.

The OCCRP and BIRN published internal US defense procurement files after an extensive investigation which found that the Pentagon is running a massive weapons trafficking pipeline which originates in the Balkans and Caucuses, and ends in Syria and Iraq. The program is ostensibly part of the US train, equip, and assist campaign for the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF, a coalition of YPG/J and Arab FSA groups operating primarily in Syria's east). The arms transfers are massive and the program looks to continue for years. According to Foreign Policy's (FP) coverage of the report:

The Department of Defense has budgeted $584 million specifically for this Syrian operation for the financial years 2017 and 2018, and has earmarked another $900 million of spending on Soviet-style munitions between now and 2022. The total, $2.2 billion, likely understates the flow of weapons to Syrian rebels in the coming years.

But perhaps more shocking is the following admission that Pentagon suppliers have links with known criminal networks, also from FP:

According to the report, many of the weapons suppliers — primarily in Eastern Europe but also in the former Soviet republics, including Kazakhstan, Georgia, and Ukraine — have both links to organized crime throughout Eastern Europe and spotty business records.

The sheer amount of material necessary for the Pentagon program — one ammunition factory announced it planned to hire 1,000 new employees in 2016 to help cope with the demand — has reportedly stretched suppliers to the limit, forcing the Defense Department to relax standards on the materials it’s willing to accept.


It is likely that the organized crime association is the reason why the Pentagon has sought to alter its records. In addition, the sheer volume of weaponry continuing to ship to the Syrian battlefield and other parts of the Middle East means inevitable proliferation among unsavory terror groups - a phenomenon which has already been exhaustively documented in connection with the now reportedly closed CIA program to topple the Syrian government.



MORE AT http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-13/bombshell-report-catches-pent
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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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"Off-Guardian" - one of your pro-Russia blogs - KPO
Pro-Russian? Really? Cites and links, please.


Lol, did you think that this was a credible source just because it does its best to look like the Guardian? How did I know straight away that this was another one of your bullshit pro-Russia blogs? Let me teach you something about critical reading Siggy.

My first clue was that the article originally comes from Global Research, another one of your other pro-Russian blogs. My second clue was that it uses the Russian spelling for Donbas, not the Ukrainian spelling. My third clue, I noticed from skim reading, was that the source for its headline claim of 3600 killed by Kiev is the separatist "government" - which is, frankly, hilarious. And my fourth clue was that the 'About' section of the website admits that the site was set up by people who met on the comment section of the Guardian website, disgruntled at the content there and tired of being called 'Putinbots'
https://off-guardian.org/about-2/

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Typical of you to dismiss facts by name-calling a source.

Typical of YOU not to check your own source for authenticity and reliability.


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Sure, you can "always" make the argument (if you want to stretch the definition terribly) but then you'd have to say that the USA "invaded" Syria.

Or that the USA invaded Cuba during the Bay of Pigs Invasion - oh wait...

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"The most egregious" would be the greatest in number. Since all YOU did was post videos- no tally - I decided to do the same.

I clearly posted tallies for each of my examples. 11 killed from the shelling of the checkpoint, 29 killed from the shelling of the city of Mariupol, and nearly 300 killed from the shootdown of MH17. All of these have been investigated and blame pointed at the separatists. We've been through this in the Russia Invades Ukraine thread and you haven't been able to establish a single incident matching these where it was the Ukrainian military responsible for killing the civilians.

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I doubt you will find me "cheerleading" Russia in Ukraine. That's a typical lie of yours.

Nope, you cheerlead Russia in Crimea all the time, for one. Was that not a violation of Ukraine's national sovereignty? Is Russia's pouring of weapons and fighters into Ukraine not a violation of Ukraine's national sovereignty? Have you ever condemned it?

Hypocrite. QED.

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Yanno, at one time I started a thread dedicated to a point-by-point comparison of Syria versus the Ukraine... You stayed away like it was the plague.

Siggy... how do I say this. I ignore you a lot. I scroll past you, or I just let your bullshit go. But if you insist on being smacked down on any particular point by all means bring it up now.

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Russia started this war .... KPO
Cites and links for this bullshit, please?- SIGNY


That's a whole 31-page thread of its own. Would you like me to summarise the arguments?

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."
Yep, that's you. Incessantly repeating propaganda.


This is like the 10th time that you've repeated the same point about me and my signature. You're not very self aware are you?


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"Off-Guardian" - one of your pro-Russia blogs - KPO

Pro-Russian? Really? Cites and links, please. SIGNY

Lol, did you think that this was a credible source just because it does its best to look like the Guardian? How did I know straight away that this was another one of your bullshit pro-Russia blogs? Let me teach you something about critical reading Siggy.

My first clue was that the article originally comes from Global Research, another one of your other pro-Russian blogs.

Clearly, you have never read a pro-Russian website, or you wouldn't call this "pro-Russian". So ... cites and links, please. I've read both from time to time, I don't detect a "pro-Russian" bias. They are simply far left-wing sites. Real pro-Russian content can be found at RT, Sputnik, or Russia Insider.

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My second clue was that it uses the Russian spelling for Donbas, not the Ukrainian spelling. My third clue, I noticed from skim reading, was that the source for its headline claim of 3600 killed by Kiev is the separatist "government" - which is, frankly, hilarious. And my fourth clue was that the 'About' section of the website admits that the site was set up by people who met on the comment section of the Guardian website, disgruntled at the content there and tired of being called 'Putinbots'
Because OF COURSE, being CALLED a Putin-bot makes one so. By YOUR logic, simple libel is proof enough.

Yanno, KRAPO, if I knew who you were, I'd sue you, GSTRING, and THUGR for the multitude of lies you've told about me and others. So, how about it? Wanna take off that mask of anonymity and face me in court, where the truth will come out? Or are you a fucking coward who isn't at all interested in the truth, but who simply seeks to malign and defame with lies? PM me, and we can arrange for a nice court date for you at your earliest convenience.

Now, aside from your constant lies and defamation ... the article is very open about where they got their facts from. It ALSO cites a UN report, and OSCE reports, and other official and non-official reports, facts which you decided to withhold because they just don't support your twisted picture.

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Typical of you to dismiss facts by name-calling a source.- SIGNY

Typical of YOU not to check your own source for authenticity and reliability.- KRAPO

Typical of YOU to lie about what you found.


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Sure, you can "always" make the argument (if you want to stretch the definition terribly) but then you'd have to say that the USA "invaded" Syria. - SIGNY
Or that the USA invaded Cuba during the Bay of Pigs Invasion - oh wait...- KRAPO

It wasn't an "invasion". I can't imagine who called it that, except in some fervid dream of glory.

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"The most egregious" would be the greatest in number. Since all YOU did was post videos- no tally - I decided to do the same. - SIGNY

I clearly posted tallies for each of my examples. 11 killed from the shelling of the checkpoint, 29 killed from the shelling of the city of Mariupol, and nearly 300 killed from the shootdown of MH17. All of these have been investigated and blame pointed at the separatists. We've been through this in the Russia Invades Ukraine thread and you haven't been able to establish a single incident matching these where it was the Ukrainian military responsible for killing the civilians.- KRAPO

TOTAL number killed. Which side is the most egregious based on the TOTAL number killed?

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I doubt you will find me "cheerleading" Russia in Ukraine. That's a typical lie of yours. - SIGNY

Nope, you cheerlead Russia in Crimea all the time, for one.- KRAPO

I said the the Russian little green men were remarkable restrained. Also, they appeared to be well-accepted by the population, even posing for pictures with little kids. I applaud that kind of behavior- don't you?

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Was that not a violation of Ukraine's national sovereignty? Is Russia's pouring of weapons and fighters into Ukraine not a violation of Ukraine's national sovereignty? Have you ever condemned it?- KPO
No, I have not condemned it. But lack of condemnation doesn't mean I was "cheerleading" it, either. I spent some time thinking about the ethical differences and similarities between Ukraine and Syria, and it seems to me that - aside from the fact that the USA fostered the FIRST violation of sovereignty in Ukraine by promoting the violent overthrow of an elected government - the issue involves separatism. If you can manage to keep the USA from destabilizing nations all over the world by fostering separatism and "color revolutions" to begin with, then you could have a clean discussion of separatism and how to best manage them. I posted about that too.

Hypocrite. QED.

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Yanno, at one time I started a thread dedicated to a point-by-point comparison of Syria versus the Ukraine... You stayed away like it was the plague.- SIGNY

Siggy... how do I say this. I ignore you a lot. I scroll past you, or I just let your bullshit go. But if you insist on being smacked down on any particular point by all means bring it up now. - KRAPO

So despite the fact that you don't read what I post, you insist on telling everyone what I mean?

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Russia started this war .... KPO

Cites and links for this bullshit, please?- SIGNY

That's a whole 31-page thread of its own. Would you like me to summarise the arguments?- KRAPO

Yes. You made the assertion, now prove it.

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"Objective truths are established by evidence. Personal truths by faith. Political truths by incessant repetition."


Yep, that's you. Still incessantly repeating libel, bullshit, and propaganda. Now can you get past your deflections to the topic of the thread?

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Clearly, you have never read a pro-Russian website, or you wouldn't call this "pro-Russian". So ... cites and links, please. I've read both from time to time, I don't detect a "pro-Russian" bias.


Hilarious If you want discussion of your blog sources I'll give it to you, but it deserves a thread of its own. Watch this space.

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Because OF COURSE, being CALLED a Putin-bot makes one so. By YOUR logic, simple libel is proof enough.

Do you not see how a site set up by a few internet randoms to spread their opinions has no inherent authority or credibility? For all we know, you and Kiki could have founded that site just so that you could cite yourself and give your own opinions (the illusion of) some credibility. That's probably what the founders of that site are doing.

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Yanno, KRAPO, if I knew who you were, I'd sue you, GSTRING, and THUGR for the multitude of lies you've told about me and others. So, how about it? Wanna take off that mask of anonymity and face me in court, where the truth will come out? Or are you a fucking coward who isn't at all interested in the truth, but who simply seeks to malign and defame with lies? PM me, and we can arrange for a nice court date for you at your earliest convenience.


Attractive as the offer is, to give you my personal info so you can sue me, I think I'll pass

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Now, aside from your constant lies and defamation ... the article is very open about where they got their facts from. It ALSO cites a UN report, and OSCE reports, and other official and non-official reports, facts which you decided to withhold because they just don't support your twisted picture.


I treat that article with about the same respect that I treat yours and kiki's posts. I didn't read much of it. If you have UN reports and OSCE reports that back up your argument, why the fuck wouldn't you just cite those reports directly instead of this garbage website?? The answer is obvious: you don't have them.

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Or that the USA invaded Cuba during the Bay of Pigs Invasion - oh wait...- KRAPO
It wasn't an "invasion". I can't imagine who called it that, except in some fervid dream of glory.


And yet, that's what it's commonly called.

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TOTAL number killed. Which side is the most egregious based on the TOTAL number killed?

I don't claim to have those figures, and your claims to have them have been shown to be worthless (citing the separatists, LOL). What do we have? We have UN reports of 10,000+ killed across the war, military and civilian - but no breakdown as to who has done the killing and where. So all we have is guesswork, and reason. The separatists have been responsible for the most egregious examples of killing civilians (by far) - but you want us to accept that the Ukrainian military has killed more overall, based on... what exactly?

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I said the the Russian little green men were remarkable restrained. Also, they appeared to be well-accepted by the population, even posing for pictures with little kids. I applaud that kind of behavior- don't you?


This is a weird tangent.

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Was that not a violation of Ukraine's national sovereignty? Is Russia's pouring of weapons and fighters into Ukraine not a violation of Ukraine's national sovereignty? Have you ever condemned it?- KPO
No, I have not condemned it.


Do you not see how that makes you a hypocrite?

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But lack of condemnation doesn't mean I was "cheerleading" it, either.

This is a separate point, whether or not you cheerlead Russia's actions in Ukraine. Without a doubt it is true as regards Crimea; your language regarding Russia's actions there is always celebratory - see your words above, for example.

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If you can manage to keep the USA from destabilizing nations all over the world by fostering separatism and "color revolutions" to begin with, then you could have a clean discussion of separatism and how to best manage them.

If you dig down, being anti-US and anti-the-West is about the only guiding principle you have. All your other principles are fluid, and take the form of whatever you need it to take at the time. That's why you have contradictory views on civilian casualties and national sovereignty re: US and Russian military actions, on self-determination re: Crimea and Kosovo etc, etc. In other words, you are a gross hypocrite.

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Russia started this war .... KPO

Cites and links for this bullshit, please?- SIGNY


I tell you what, you give me your theory of how the war started, to compare with mine, and then we can examine the evidence. Deal?

If not, I will give the Russian propaganda narrative of how the war started (I think we all know it matches your opinion 100%) and then give my evidence.

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Yep, that's you. Still incessantly repeating libel, bullshit, and propaganda.


11th time



EDIT: I see that you have decided not to bring up again whatever it was from the Syria/Ukraine thread that you said I was 'avoiding like the plague'. Did you go back and check and find out that your memory didn't chime with reality? That's usually the case.

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Thursday, September 14, 2017 1:13 PM

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Clearly, you have never read a pro-Russian website, or you wouldn't call this "pro-Russian". So ... cites and links, please. I've read both from time to time, I don't detect a "pro-Russian" bias. - SIGNY

Hilarious If you want discussion of your blog sources I'll give it to you, but it deserves a thread of its own. Watch this space. -

I think after this post I'm going to put you on "ignore". That's what YOU do, right?

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Because OF COURSE, being CALLED a Putin-bot makes one so. By YOUR logic, simple libel is proof enough. -
Do you not see how a site set up by a few internet randoms to spread their opinions has no inherent authority or credibility? - KRAPO

Oh, do you mean an internet random like you? Since I know the truth about myself, and I know that you libel people simply to troll. I already know that you have no credibility at all. So, why should I take anything you post about anyone else seriously? You formed your opinion of Off-Guardian without even reading the article. So all you post is bullshit and lies anyway.

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Yanno, KRAPO, if I knew who you were, I'd sue you, GSTRING, and THUGR for the multitude of lies you've told about me and others. So, how about it? Wanna take off that mask of anonymity and face me in court, where the truth will come out? Or are you a fucking coward who isn't at all interested in the truth, but who simply seeks to malign and defame with lies? PM me, and we can arrange for a nice court date for you at your earliest convenience. - SIGNY

Attractive as the offer is, to give you my personal info so you can sue me, I think I'll pass - KRAPO

Of course. You're a coward and even YOU don't believe what you say is the truth.

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Now, aside from your constant lies and defamation ... the article is very open about where they got their facts from. It ALSO cites a UN report, and OSCE reports, and other official and non-official reports, facts which you decided to withhold because they just don't support your twisted picture.- SIGNY

I treat that article with about the same respect that I treat yours and kiki's posts. I didn't read much of it.- KRAPO

And since you didn't read much of it, you of course know what it says. Clearly, more bullshit opinion from you.

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If you have UN reports and OSCE reports that back up your argument, why the fuck wouldn't you just cite those reports directly instead of this garbage website?? The answer is obvious: you don't have them.- KRAPO
Actually, I DID have them. I found them individually before I found this article. I posted that particular article simply because it had ALL of the links that I had found, in one convenient location. If you had read the article BEFORE dismissing it, you would have seen the links

But once again, you bloviate and libel based on ...nothing at all.

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Or that the USA invaded Cuba during the Bay of Pigs Invasion - oh wait...- KRAPO-

It wasn't an "invasion". I can't imagine who called it that, except in some fervid dream of glory. - SIGNY

And yet, that's what it's commonly called.- KRAPO

Bearcats aren't either bears nor cats. Starfish aren't fish. "All natural foods" are highly processed. I can't help that common names are misleading. This happens especially in politics.

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TOTAL number killed. Which side is the most egregious based on the TOTAL number killed?- SIGNY
I don't claim to have those figures, and your claims to have them have been shown to be worthless (citing the separatists, LOL). What do we have? We have UN reports of 10,000+ killed across the war, military and civilian - but no breakdown as to who has done the killing and where. So all we have is guesswork, and reason. The separatists have been responsible for the most egregious examples of killing civilians (by far) - but you want us to accept that the Ukrainian military has killed more overall, based on... what exactly?- KRAPO

The fact that the separatists have told us so, because ONLY THEY are in a position to know, since they staff the hospitals and morgues. I'm sure they've provided their data to the UN, otherwise where would the UN get it's tally?

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I said the the Russian little green men were remarkable restrained. Also, they appeared to be well-accepted by the population, even posing for pictures with little kids. I applaud that kind of behavior- don't you? - SIGNY

This is a weird tangent.- KRAPO

Well, it's YOUR tangent. You should own it. But your deflection tells me you have nothing to say.

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Was that not a violation of Ukraine's national sovereignty? Is Russia's pouring of weapons and fighters into Ukraine not a violation of Ukraine's national sovereignty? Have you ever condemned it?- KPO
No, I have not condemned it.- SIGNY

Do you not see how that makes you a hypocrite?- KRAPO

No, I don't.

When I think about people doing bad or good in the world, the FIRST person I check is myself. How am I doing? THEN I think about those institutions over which I have at least some theoretical control ... my city, my state, my nation. Then our allies and partners. Why the hell should I hyper-focus ... like you and GSTRING and THUGR and DULLBADGUY ... over some faraway nation over which I have no authority and no responsibility? Who made ME the "cop of the world"? Before I start bitching about "somebody else" I want to make sure I'm not doing the same thing myself.

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But lack of condemnation doesn't mean I was "cheerleading" it, either. - SIGNY

This is a separate point, whether or not you cheerlead Russia's actions in Ukraine. Without a doubt it is true as regards Crimea; your language regarding Russia's actions there is always celebratory - see your words above, for example.- KRAPO

Well, as you said, since you don't read my posts how the hell do you know what I think? Your selection is very ... select. Also unrepresentative.

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If you can manage to keep the USA from destabilizing nations all over the world by fostering separatism and "color revolutions" to begin with, then you could have a clean discussion of separatism and how to best manage them.- SIGNY

If you dig down, being anti-US and anti-the-West is about the only guiding principle you have. All your other principles are fluid, and take the form of whatever you need it to take at the time. That's why you have contradictory views on civilian casualties and national sovereignty re: US and Russian military actions, on self-determination re: Crimea and Kosovo etc, etc. In other words, you are a gross hypocrite.- KRAPO

Baloney. The person who's the hypocrite is you. You pretend to care about human rights... or whatever you care about ... but you overlook the gross violations that you own nation commits. I don't gripe a whole lot about Russia. But I ALSO don't gripe a whole lot about Brazil, or India, or South Africa, or Niger. Why??? They;re not my country. My tax dollars don't go to support gross injustices there If I though the USA WAS responsible for a reprehensible situation in some foreign nation, then you can bet I'd be complaining about it.

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Russia started this war .... KPO

Cites and links for this bullshit, please?- SIGNY

I tell you what, you give me your theory of how the war started, to compare with mine, and then we can examine the evidence. Deal?- KRAPO

No, since you don't read my posts, why should I waste my time on it?

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Yep, that's you. Still incessantly repeating libel, bullshit, and propaganda.- SIGNY

11th time KRAPO

And that's you, obsessively counting.

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Thursday, September 14, 2017 1:13 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Yanno, KRAPO, if I knew who you were, I'd sue you, GSTRING, and THUGR for the multitude of lies you've told about me and others. So, how about it? Wanna take off that mask of anonymity and face me in court, where the truth will come out? Or are you a fucking coward who isn't at all interested in the truth, but who simply seeks to malign and defame with lies? PM me, and we can arrange for a nice court date for you at your earliest convenience.



F*cksake, that's a new low even for you. This is RWED - everyone who posts here knows it's history for *raw* frankness and that it's not for people with thin skins. If you don't find it to your liking, then LEAVE!



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Thursday, September 14, 2017 1:22 PM

SIGNYM

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F*cksake, that's a new low even for you. This is RWED - everyone who posts here knows it's history for *raw* frankness and that it's not for people with thin skins. If you don't find it to your liking, then LEAVE! - GSTRING


It's not "frankness" that's the problem here, GSTRING, it's dishonesty.

Do you know what they say about libel, slander, and defamation in general? Truth is the ultimate defense. If you thought that you had even a shred of truth on your side, your butt wouldn't pucker with the thought of actual ... yanno... consequences for your gross lies.

I have never lied about you. I wish you could say the same.

And if I ever DO find out who you are, you can bet that I'm coming after you. So you might want to start scrubbing your posts of everything that you think might be defamatory.

Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!



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Thursday, September 14, 2017 1:50 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
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F*cksake, that's a new low even for you. This is RWED - everyone who posts here knows it's history for *raw* frankness and that it's not for people with thin skins. If you don't find it to your liking, then LEAVE! - GSTRING


It's not "frankness" that's the problem here, GSTRING, it's dishonesty.

Do you know what they say about libel, slander, and defamation in general? Truth is the ultimate defense. If you thought that you had even a shred of truth on your side, your butt wouldn't pucker with the thought of actual ... yanno... consequences for your gross lies.

I have never lied about you. I wish you could say the same.

And if I ever DO find out who you are, you can bet that I'm coming after you. So you might want to start scrubbing your posts of everything that you think might be defamatory.

Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!





Coming after me how? Let's get this in writing.

Fwiw, I seriously doubt any court would side with someone (you) who has wished a number of us dead, or threatened us with law suits in an open forum.

Btw - a copy of your threats have been sent to Haken. Threatening fellow members is way over the line.

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Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:13 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


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Coming after me how? Let's get this in writing.

Fwiw, I seriously doubt any court would side with someone (you) who has wished a number of us dead, or threatened us with law suits in an open forum.

Btw - a copy of your threats have been sent to Haken. Threatening fellow members is way over the line.

You, yourself, made it clear that YOU KNOW that's what I meant. Here, like this ...
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or threatened us with law suits in an open forum.-
So try to make the case that it was anything else. I dare you.

Yes "coming after you" IN COURT. In context, it's quite clear what I meant, and you would have a hard time getting anyone to side with YOU about your whinging.

Clearly, you think that anonymity gives you the right to lie and defame. So far, the only consequences that you've had to think about are being placed in Troll Country, and being called troll.

So, you might want to do a little reading up on libel. Here, this will get you started ...

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Libel vs. Slander: Different Types of Defamation

Libel and slander are types of defamatory statements. Libel is a written defamatory statement, and slander is a spoken or oral defamatory statement. In this article, we'll look at where you might find a defamatory statement, provide some different examples of libel and slander, and more. (For an overview of this area of law, check out Defamation Law Made Simple.)

Where Might You Find Potentially Defamatory Statements?

Before we look at a few examples of potentially defamatory statements, let’s first think about places where you could see such statements. These days, the most common places for making possibly libelous (written) statements are:

letters to the editor of local newspapers
public comments on media (i.e., newspaper or magazine) web sites
blog posts

comments to blog posts, and
internet chat rooms or listservers.

In reality, you won’t see too many potentially libelous comments in published written letters to the editor because editors are generally very careful in screening out such letters. It is on the internet where people can get into trouble with libel. While some web sites screen posts for inflammatory or illegal content, the screening systems are not geared to examine every post for libelous content.

Remember that slander is an oral defamatory statement, so those statements can be made anywhere and to anyone -- as long as it's to a third party, meaning someone other than the person who is allegedly being defamed. If you tell your best friend something defamatory about person X, person X could sue you for defamation if he/she could prove that he/she was damaged as a result of your statement.

Examples of Libel and Slander

Let’s look at some examples of what might be libel. Let’s first say that you posted a comment on someone’s blog saying that the blog’s author had been given a dishonorable discharge from the Army. That certainly sounds like a defamatory statement if it is false. Remember that truth is an absolute defense to libel and slander.

But, what if the blog’s author is a well known radical anti-war and anti-government activist who doesn’t care if people think that he/she was dishonorably discharged from the Army even if it wasn’t true? In that case, it is possible that his/her community simply wouldn’t care, and the posting might not be considered defamatory.

Another example might be saying or writing that someone acted unethically or dishonestly, even if the person’s conduct did not constitute a crime. Let’s say that you write a comment to a magazine article on the magazine’s website falsely accusing the article’s author of paying his/her interview subjects for an interview. Most reputable journalists don’t pay their subjects for interviews. It is not a crime to pay a subject for an interview, but it is generally considered unethical. Since the statement was false, it is very likely libelous.

Let’s look at an example of how a statement that doesn’t even involve unethical or dishonest behavior can be defamatory. Let’s say that you told a bunch of co-workers that another co-worker got drunk at a professional baseball game and got thrown out of the stadium. If that didn’t happen, that statement could very well be slanderous. If this statement gets back to the co-worker’s boss, and the boss doesn’t tolerate such conduct, your co-worker’s job may be in jeopardy. He/she might not receive a raise or might even be fired.

Can a Qualified Statement of Fact Still Be Defamatory?

Let’s say that you write or tell some people, “I think that Roger stole $500 from me last week.” This seems more like an opinion than a statement of fact -- remember that an opinion can’t be defamatory. After all, you qualified it by saying “I think that” Roger stole the money, and defamatory statements must be statements of fact.

Unfortunately, just saying or writing “I think” doesn’t automatically convert a statement of fact into a statement of opinion. If you are talking to people who trust and believe you, and who know that you don’t joke around, they are very likely to believe you and thus believe that Roger stole money from you. Thus, if Roger did not steal any money from you, you have slandered Roger.

This is because a jury will be instructed to examine the allegedly defamatory statement in the totality of the circumstances in which it was said or written in order to determine whether an alleged statement of opinion is in fact defamatory. Under the law, a statement of fact in one context can be considered to be a statement of opinion in another context.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/libel-vs-slander-different-type
s-defamation.html


So, to repeat myself: I'm tired of you, KRAPO, THUGR, and DULL lying about me in a defamatory fashion. If I ever find out who you are, I'm coming after you IN COURT to stop your libelous posts.

At this point, anonymity is your only protection, because you've provided me with more than enough evidence.

Now, if you insist on your "right" to continue to libel under cover of anonymity, go ahead. It will just show you knowingly being libelous, and provide even more evidence. Also, it will demonstrate to everyone that you're committed to being assholes, whether you ever have to face a judge or not.

Now, all YOU have to do to get out of this pickle is to STOP BEING AN ASSHOLE. You've gotten the definition of libel, and you've been given fair warning about potential consequences.

So, do you want to throttle back on your libeleous posts? Or are you committed to the behavior? Your choice.



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Thursday, September 14, 2017 2:49 PM

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Now, if you insist on your "right" to continue to libel under cover of anonymity, go ahead. It will just show you knowingly being libelous, and provide even more evidence. Also, it will demonstrate to everyone that you're committed to being assholes, whether you ever have to face a judge or not.



Be sure to share this EVIDENCE with the judge:

SIGNYM: “Oh bullshit, you pile of human excrement.

SIGNYM: “Yanno GSTRING - you piece of used toilet paper - I have NOT YET reached YOUR TOTAL of snark, insults, and trolling that you've managed to put up here in this board.”

SIGNYM: “And if you really DON'T believe that idea, why do you keep masturbating to it? I mean, you remind me of nothing so much as a group 9-year-olds doing a circle jerk.”

SIGNYM: “Another one just joined the stupid club”

SIGNYM: “I'm going to add SECONDRATE to the crazy-bus. “She…”

SIGNYM: “Do you feel more positive about your opinions, yourself, and especially your future, if you just keep lying over and over again? Other than obsessively soothing your feelings and stimulating yourself, what do you get out of this?”

SIGNYM: “It used to be that this board was full of intelligent and interesting people.”

SIGNYM: “…to THUGR, SECOND, KRAPO (even if he is British) and GSTRING (even if he is Canadian). I have never met such online dicks in my entire life, and that includes the reichwing here.”

SIGNYM: “Now it's just a nest of liberaloids who name-call according to the latest liberaloid think-thank propaganda. Christ, you can't even discuss a topic. What the hell is wrong with you? How can you be such a big asshole and even imagine that you're an OK kind of person?”

SIGNYM: “Basically, you've got your collective head stuck up your collective liberal asses.”

SIGNYM: “What a coward. Now that the shoe's on the other foot, you start spewing bullshit? You and THUGR, the junior-high bully gang personified. I hope your life is a miserable fucking hell.

SIGNYM: “I DO consider the source, and you're sewer-level. “

SIGNYM: “I don't despise you because you're a useless piece of millenial dreck”

SIGNYM: “The lesson applies to you, you human shitstain. Up the maturity level yourself.”

SIGNYM: “There you are, thread after thread, being the low low-class shithole that you are. I'd wish for you to feel like you had a big old dildo stuck up your ass, except you'd probably enjoy it.”

SIGNYM: So, KRAP (KPO, I'm calling you KRAP for the time-being, since you always seem to spray the board with scheiss

SIGNYM: “AND THEN YOU DOUBLE DOWN ON STUPID AND ASSHOLE”

SIGNYM: “ You're a big juicy asshole…”

SIGNYM: “It's like me calling a whole group of people n!ggers and expecting them to laugh.”

SIGNYM: You're just a whining crybaby, you stupid twit.

Friday, November 11, 2016
SIGNYM: : I TOLD YOU, FROM TUESDAY UNTIL MONDAY, IT'S GOING TO BE NONSTOP TROLLING AND PERSONAL ATTACKS... YANNO, THE THING YOU DEDICATE YOUR LIFE TO.

SIGNYM: “What a coward. Now that the shoe's on the other foot, you start spewing bullshit? You and THUGR, the junior-high bully gang personified. I hope your life is a miserable fucking hell.”

SIGNYM: “Most people argue from fear. But when fear drives people to behave like assholes ... well, I hope that's a lesson learned. For them. Except THUGR who was apparently turned into a giant asshole in his young life, and seems incapable of changing his mind on anything.

SIGNYM: “So, speaking of assholes: Where IS that fellow, anyway? I'll bet he was all prepared to start crowing and be an even bigger asshole. and now he's slunk off to his nasty den. I hope he doesn't show his face for quite a while. All I can say is, he better learn how to create a new account and show up under a different name, because out of all of the assholes on this board, he was the nastiest.“

SIGNYM: “So we can expect you to be a complete lying hypocritical know-nothing asswipe, with no respect for facts or the truth, for the foreseeable future. In other words, a butt-hurt crybaby liberaloid troll.”

SIGNYM: “Yes, SECOND, YOU have been a liar and an asshole throughout this whole discussion. It's been pointed out to you- and everybody else- repeatedly.”

SIGNYM: “…the usual miscreants on the board”

SIGNYM: So fuck you and your pretense of speaking for "the world".

SIGNYM: PUT UP OR STFU, YOU NASTY FUCKING LIAR.

SIGNYM: Yep; that's you: EVIDENCE-FREE ACCUSATION is your stock-in-trade. You're a big phat phucking LIAR. You have been since you started posting here. You're a troll and a propagandist, and I wouldn't be surprised if YOU were getting $$$ for your idiot posts.

SIGNYM: You get an award for sticking your head up your ass and firmly keeping it there.

SIGNYM: THUGR IS A DEEP STATE TROLL AND A LIAR

SIGNYM: God, GSTRING, don't you get tired of living in the deep state's anus and then having to defend your lifestyle?

SIGNYM: THUGR you're just a fucking fascist.

SIGNYM: OMFG, I can't believe how stupid you are!!! "Yellow journalism" was in the AMERICAN HISTORY curriculum you fucking moron.

SIGNYM: GSTRING, you're an ignoramus. Or maybe an ignoranus.

I have more but I think that's plenty.

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