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Thursday, January 4, 2018 6:41 AM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


Macron proposes new law against fake news:

https://www.politico.eu/article/macron-proposes-new-law-against-fake-n
ews/amp
/

Interesting timing, coming just a few weeks after the Kremlin's announcement that it is opening a French-language RT channel - https://www.rt.com/news/413559-rt-france-broadcasting-launch/

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Thursday, January 4, 2018 7:42 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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And the French rejoiced when their Government legalized censorship.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, January 4, 2018 7:52 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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He already did that back in May when he made gender based insults illegal. Making free speech illegal is Macron's M.O.



Good for you, France.

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Thursday, January 4, 2018 7:54 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

I applaud his intentions- GSTRING
Of course you do. Because nothing says "freedom" like a government-controlled press.


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Thursday, January 4, 2018 7:56 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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It all depends on what "fake news" you're making illegal, don'tcha know Sigs?

I bet G would have my back, being rabid against Trump if he were to propose the same thing today.

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Thursday, January 4, 2018 1:34 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

I applaud his intentions- GSTRING

Of course you do. Because nothing says "freedom" like a government-controlled press.
- SIGNY

You would know being an RT fangirl. - GSTRING

Liar.
YOU, OTOH, are CLEARLY in the camp of a government-controlled press. You said it yourself: I applaud his intentions

Quote:

At least you read 4 words of my post - I guess that's something.
OR did you read past that and see me address that?
"How long before opposition forces accuse Macron of abuse of power and restricting Free Speech??"
I guess "not long" is the answer!- GSTRING

Oh, I read the whole thing. Enough to know where YOU stand on the issue!

Yanno, I have never argued for a controlled press. You, otoh ...

Are we children, that we need to be supervised in what we read?


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Friday, January 5, 2018 6:37 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

I applaud his [Macron's] intentions - GSTRING original quote

... to make our free press more accountable ... Ya got me, that is what I want.- GSTRING

"Accountable" to whom? Macron? The government? The economic establishment?

You???

Quote:

Are we children, that we need to be supervised in what we read?- SIGNY

Better if we read the truth, isn't it? I know, you'd probably prefer the Chaos Theory that wants it so Americans don't know what to believe.- GSTRING


No, you dolt. I would refer to the SCIENTIFIC THEORY. The "proof of the pudding" theory. Maybe you should look it up. It has to do with the real world, and not your world of lies.

Yanno, I sure wish you'd stop peddling your lies here. You libel others. You lie about what others say. You lie about what YOU say. http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=62089&mid=1
044109#1044109
You do it over and over again. I'm not sure that you even recognize a category called "truth".

Go away. You're hardly one to define "truth" and "accountability".

In fact, I'm not sure you're even a real person. How's that sainted mother of yours doing? Have you found any posts of yours referencing her yet? Or is she just another lie of yours? Are you just one giant figment of some computer's imagination?


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Friday, January 5, 2018 7:50 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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LOL... I'd trust Macron with what was and wasn't real news.

[/sarcasm]

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Friday, January 5, 2018 2:17 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Hey, so where is that link to the care that you gave your sainted mother? Or is that just another lie of yours?


In any case, and to get back to the topic at hand ... It's very clear that you're all for government-controlled press.

Quote:

I applaud his intentions .... Someone has to start the process though, so hat's off for him jumping in.


I'll be posting in this thread about government control of OUR press, which I'm sure, GSTRING, you're all in favor of.


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Friday, January 5, 2018 5:20 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by G:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
YOU, OTOH, are CLEARLY in the camp of a government-controlled press. You said it yourself: I applaud his intentions...



... to make our free press more accountable ... Ya got me, that is what I want.

Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Are we children, that we need to be supervised in what we read?



Better if we read the truth, isn't it?

I know, you'd probably prefer the Chaos Theory that wants it so Americans don't know what to believe. Who was that Russian who theorized that disruption strategy? Gertrude Assimoff? Bert and Gertie?

==============================



Fake news is 95% of what sig posts. The truth is toxic to trolls like her.


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Friday, January 5, 2018 8:24 PM

SIGNYM

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AS PROMISED

Quote:

The Biggest Secret: My Life as a New York Times Reporter in the Shadow of the War on Terror

JAMES RISEN, former NYT reporter

One reason that officials didn’t want to conduct aggressive leak investigations was that they regularly engaged in quiet negotiations with the press to try to stop the publication of sensitive national security stories. Government officials seemed to understand that a get-tough approach to leaks might lead to the breakdown of this informal arrangement.

At the time, I usually went along with these negotiations. About a year before 9/11, for instance, I learned that the CIA had sent case officers to Afghanistan to meet with Ahmed Shah Massoud, the leader of the rebel Northern Alliance, which was fighting the Taliban government. The CIA officers had been sent to try to convince Massoud to help the Americans go after Osama bin Laden, who was then living in Afghanistan under the Taliban’s protection.

When I called the CIA for comment, then-CIA Director George Tenet called me back personally to ask me not to run the story. He told me the disclosure would threaten the safety of the CIA officers in Afghanistan. I agreed.

...

My experience with that story and subsequent ones made me much less willing to go along with later government requests to hold or kill stories. And that ultimately set me on a collision course with the editors at the New York Times, who were still quite willing to cooperate with the government.
...

After the 9/11 attacks, the Bush administration began asking the press to kill stories more frequently. They did it so often that I became convinced the administration was invoking national security to quash stories that were merely politically embarrassing. In late 2002, for instance, I called the CIA for comment on a story about the existence of a secret CIA prison in Thailand that had just been created to house Al Qaeda detainees, including Abu Zubaydah. In response, Bush administration officials called the Times and got the paper to kill the story. I disagreed with the paper’s decision because I believed that the White House was just trying to cover up the fact that the CIA had begun to set up secret prisons.

...

By 2002, I was also starting to clash with the editors over our coverage of the Bush administration’s claims about pre-war intelligence on Iraq. My stories raising questions about the intelligence, particularly the administration’s claims of a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda, were being cut, buried, or held out of the paper altogether.

Meanwhile, Judith Miller's fatuous coverage about Iraq's so-called WMD was run front and center.

Quote:

****

Finally, in the late summer of 2004, as I was leaving a meeting with the source, I said I had to know what the secret was. Suddenly, as we were standing at the source’s front door, everything spilled out. Over the course of about 10 minutes, the source provided a detailed outline of the NSA’s massive post-9/11 domestic spying program, which I later learned was code-named Stellar Wind.

The source told me that the NSA had been wiretapping Americans without search warrants, without court approval. The NSA was also collecting the phone and email records of millions of Americans. The operation had been authorized by the president. The Bush administration was engaged in a massive domestic spying program that was probably illegal and unconstitutional, and only a handful of carefully selected people in the government knew about it.

...

By the fall of 2004, we had a draft of a story. I felt it was time to go through the front door, so I decided on impulse to try to bluff my way to the top of the NSA. I called the NSA’s press spokesperson, Judy Emmel, and told her I had to talk to Hayden immediately. I said it was urgent, and I couldn’t tell her what it was about.

She got Hayden on the phone right away. I was shocked that my bluff had worked, but now that I had Hayden, I had to think fast about what I wanted to ask him. I decided to read him the first few paragraphs of the draft Lichtblau and I were writing. Lichtblau was sitting next to me, staring intently as I read Hayden the top of the story on the phone. I was sitting in front of my computer, ready to transcribe whatever Hayden would say.

After I read the first few paragraphs, Hayden let out an audible gasp and then stammered for a moment. Finally, he said that whatever the NSA was doing was legal and operationally effective. I pressed him further, but he refused to say more and hung up. Hayden had all but confirmed the story.

...

Within days, Hayden called Taubman and asked him not to run the NSA story.

MORE AT https://theintercept.com/2018/01/03/my-life-as-a-new-york-times-report
er-in-the-shadow-of-the-war-on-terror
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Friday, January 5, 2018 8:42 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
Fake news is 95% of what sig posts. The truth is toxic to trolls like her.



Not even part of the topic.

How would you feel if Trump were to outlaw fake news right now?

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Friday, January 5, 2018 9:06 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Fake news and libel is 95% of what THUGR posts. The truth is toxic to trolls like him. So is freedom of the press.



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Sunday, January 7, 2018 6:35 PM

KPO

Anti-Russia before it was cool.


The Swedish approach:

Swedish Kids To Be Taught How To Spot Fake News:
https://thegoldwater.com/news/1803-Swedish-Kids-To-Be-Taught-How-To-Sp
ot-Fake-News


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Sunday, January 7, 2018 8:31 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

The government wants the kids to be smart about the sources of their news, and which ones to believe.



And the answer is: NONE of them. Don't believe ANY of them.

Belief is for religions, propaganda, and advertisements. But if you want to be able to parse true from fake news, you have to be objective.

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Monday, January 8, 2018 7:51 AM

SIGNYM

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AND IN GERMANY

Quote:

In what was officially a noble attempt to eliminate online hate speech in social media, and unofficially a devious crackdown on free speech, on January 1, 2018, Germany passed a law that forces websites to censor content deemed illegal under the new law and have it deleted within 24-hours. Ironically, as we observed last week, just hours after the law's passage it immediately backfired when it claimed its first victim, a German satirical magazine’s Twitter account which "parodied anti-Muslim comment."

Incidentally, this perfectly predictable if "totally unexpected" outcome is exactly what we, and many others had warned would happen. And now, it is finally dawning on Germany that any time the government gets involved in defining what is allowed and what isn't - especially when it comes to that most fundamental of liberties, free speech - the result is always a disaster.

According to Germany's top-selling, and most popular newspaper, Bild, the new German law meant to curtail online hate speech is "stifling free speech and making martyrs out of anti-immigrant politicians whose posts are deleted."

The law which took effect on Jan. 1 can impose fines of up to 50 million euros ($60 million) on sites that fail to remove hate speech promptly and threatens the profitability of such social media giants as Twitter and Facebook.

"Please spare us the thought police!" read the headline in Wednesday's Bild above an article that called the law a "sin" against freedom of opinion enshrined in Germany's constitution, Reuters reported.


While the law requires social media sites to delete or block obviously criminal content within 24 hours, Bild Editor-in-Chief Julian Reichelt said it could be applied against anything and anyone since there was no definition of what was "manifestly unlawful" in most cases. Intended to prevent radical groups from gaining influence, "it was having precisely the opposite effect," he warned.

"The law against online hate speech failed on its very first day. It should be abolished immediately," Reichelt wrote, adding that the law was turning AfD politicians into "opinion martyrs".

MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-07/spare-us-thought-police-germ
ans-rage-new-hate-speech-law-backfires






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Monday, January 8, 2018 4:08 PM

KPO

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Zerohedge again, yawn. Why don't you share news stories that aren't already spun to fit your worldview?

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Monday, January 8, 2018 4:22 PM

THGRRI


Quote:

Originally posted by KPO:

Zerohedge again, yawn. Why don't you share news stories that aren't already spun to fit your worldview?




Because sig is a troll


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Monday, January 8, 2018 4:25 PM

THGRRI


I am referencing this thread, http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62024, because SIG more times than not, sources her information that she posts here from zerohedge. She stupidly defends this as a reputable source. Something she does with other unreliable sources. As she continues to do so, I will reference this thread to remind all she posts from this and other corrupted sources. Sources designed to create havoc rather than inform.

Below are the names of those behind zero hedge. Don't miss what I've highlighted in red below. This folks is why comrade troll SIG loves to quote zero hedge.




In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”



All of this matches SIG's playbook here and Putin's globally; exactly. http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62024


The men behind zero hedge

Colin Lokey, a 32-year-old former Seeking Alpha director

Daniel Ivandjiiski, a 37-year-old Bulgarian-born former hedge fund employee who was barred for insider trading in 2008

Tim Backshall, a 45-year-old credit derivatives strategist
Despite its populist tone, Lokey told Bloomberg he recently left Zero Hedge because he didn’t see eye-to-eye with the others when it came to editorial vision.

“Zero Hedge ceased to serve that public service years ago,” Lokey said. “They care what generates page views. Clicks. Money.”

In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

Lokey claims Zero Hedge’s focus on traffic and revenue is hypocritical, but Ivandjiiski sees things differently.

Finally, Zero Hedge addressed the accusations of systematic bias in its content.

“We are certainly ok with being the object of other’s conspiracy theories, in this case completely false ones since we have never been in contact with anyone in Russia, or the US, or any government for that matter,” Zero Hedge says.

The site claims it has never accepted a dime of funding outside of advertising revenue and that Lokey was never pressured about how to frame his articles or editorialized.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zero-hedge-unmasked-theres-more-1427301
65.html

According to the Bloomberg article, three men have been churning out all of the content at Zero Hedge, using the joint pseudonym “Tyler Durden” from the Brad Pitt film “Fight Club.” The 1999 cult film, according to Rolling Stone, is “about being young, male and powerless against the pacifying drug of consumerism. It’s about solitude, despair and bottled-up rage.” That ethos is frequently on display at Zero Hedge.

The three “Tyler Durdens” outed by Bloomberg reporters are Colin Lokey, who has now left Zero Hedge in a fit of pique and is responsible for handing over the internal chat sessions from Zero Hedge on traffic-building strategies and other matters. Bloomberg says “the other two men are Daniel Ivandjiiski, 37, the Bulgarian-born former analyst long reputed to be behind the site, and Tim Backshall, 45, a well-known credit derivatives strategist.”

The article notes that “Ivandjiiski has a multimillion-dollar mansion in Mahwah, N.J., and Backshall lives in a plush San Francisco suburb,” suggesting these are “not exactly reflections” of the anti-capitalism reflected in the moniker “Tyler Durden.”









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Monday, January 8, 2018 4:27 PM

THGRRI


I am referencing this thread, http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62024, because SIG more times than not, sources her information that she posts here from zerohedge. She stupidly defends this as a reputable source. Something she does with other unreliable sources. As she continues to do so, I will reference this thread to remind all she posts from this and other corrupted sources. Sources designed to create havoc rather than inform.

Below are the names of those behind zero hedge. Don't miss what I've highlighted in red below. This folks is why comrade troll SIG loves to quote zero hedge.




In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”



All of this matches SIG's playbook here and Putin's globally; exactly. http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=62024


The men behind zero hedge

Colin Lokey, a 32-year-old former Seeking Alpha director

Daniel Ivandjiiski, a 37-year-old Bulgarian-born former hedge fund employee who was barred for insider trading in 2008

Tim Backshall, a 45-year-old credit derivatives strategist
Despite its populist tone, Lokey told Bloomberg he recently left Zero Hedge because he didn’t see eye-to-eye with the others when it came to editorial vision.

“Zero Hedge ceased to serve that public service years ago,” Lokey said. “They care what generates page views. Clicks. Money.”

In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

Lokey claims Zero Hedge’s focus on traffic and revenue is hypocritical, but Ivandjiiski sees things differently.

Finally, Zero Hedge addressed the accusations of systematic bias in its content.

“We are certainly ok with being the object of other’s conspiracy theories, in this case completely false ones since we have never been in contact with anyone in Russia, or the US, or any government for that matter,” Zero Hedge says.

The site claims it has never accepted a dime of funding outside of advertising revenue and that Lokey was never pressured about how to frame his articles or editorialized.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zero-hedge-unmasked-theres-more-1427301
65.html

According to the Bloomberg article, three men have been churning out all of the content at Zero Hedge, using the joint pseudonym “Tyler Durden” from the Brad Pitt film “Fight Club.” The 1999 cult film, according to Rolling Stone, is “about being young, male and powerless against the pacifying drug of consumerism. It’s about solitude, despair and bottled-up rage.” That ethos is frequently on display at Zero Hedge.

The three “Tyler Durdens” outed by Bloomberg reporters are Colin Lokey, who has now left Zero Hedge in a fit of pique and is responsible for handing over the internal chat sessions from Zero Hedge on traffic-building strategies and other matters. Bloomberg says “the other two men are Daniel Ivandjiiski, 37, the Bulgarian-born former analyst long reputed to be behind the site, and Tim Backshall, 45, a well-known credit derivatives strategist.”

The article notes that “Ivandjiiski has a multimillion-dollar mansion in Mahwah, N.J., and Backshall lives in a plush San Francisco suburb,” suggesting these are “not exactly reflections” of the anti-capitalism reflected in the moniker “Tyler Durden.”









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Monday, January 8, 2018 8:10 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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It's no more or less reputable than Vox or Motherjones, or Alex Jones, or hell.. CNN.

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