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I thought 'Barbie' would do just so-so and 'The Fall Guy' would be a big hit...so I'm going to wait on this one.

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Well it made $6.6 Million on preview Thursday.

Not even close to Dune: Part 2's $12 Million preview night, but more than double that of Fall Guy's $3.1 Million and quite a bit more than Ghostbusters' $4.7 Million. Dune: Part 2 has grossed $708 Million worldwide on Day 70. Ghostbusters and Fall Guy are both flops.

Though I'm sure children's movies behave much differently, Kung Fu Panda only had $3.8 Million in previews but it stands at over $525 Million worldwide right now after 62 days.

Godzilla x Kong opened to $10 Million in previews and now has $548 Million worldwide after 42 days in the box office.


And I have no idea what any of this means in 2024.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Bruce predicts for this one.

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The big mystery is why anybody but a moron or a teenager would travel further than their living room and pay more than nothing to see an Ape Movie. Why do people buy expensive tickets, eat overpriced popcorn, and travel great distances to and from home for these movies? How awful does your home have to be to make a trip to the garish movie theater an improvement worth paying for in your living standards?

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The Budgets tend to increase and the Box Office tend to decrease with each new Ape movie.

Best bet is that today’s Ape will be a worse business investment than the previous Ape.

Box Office History for Planet of the Apes Movies

Date | Title | Budget | Domestic Box Office
May 10, 2024 Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
Jul 14, 2017 War for the Planet of the Apes $152,000,000 $146,880,162
Jul 11, 2014 Dawn of the Planet of the Apes $170,000,000 $208,545,589
Aug 5, 2011 Rise of the Planet of the Apes $93,000,000 $176,760,185
Jul 27, 2001 Planet of the Apes $100,000,000 $180,011,740

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Planet-of-the-Apes#tab=su
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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I know we don't agree on much, but I'm not going to argue you on this one. The only time I ever go to the theater anymore is down by my brother's place in rural America where they have a theater that only has two screens. That place is actually clean, the tickets are cheap, like $6, and if you want pop and a popcorn they only charge you $3 more. Go during the week and there's usually like 12 other people in there, max, and everybody keeps their damn mouth shut during the movie.

Going to the theaters in the Burbs in current year is awful. Floors are sticky, people talk during the movie like they're in their own living room, everything costs a fortune and I just spend the whole movie wondering why I'm even there. It's been over 10 years since I've done that to myself.

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The big mystery is why anybody but a moron or a teenager would travel further than their living room and pay more than nothing to see an Ape Movie. Why do people buy expensive tickets, eat overpriced popcorn, and travel great distances to and from home for these movies? How awful does your home have to be to make a trip to the garish movie theater an improvement worth paying for in your living standards?

The Budgets tend to increase and the Box Office tend to decrease with each new Ape movie.

Best bet is that today’s Ape will be a worse business investment than the previous Ape.

Box Office History for Planet of the Apes Movies

Date | Title | Budget | Domestic Box Office
May 10, 2024 Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes
Jul 14, 2017 War for the Planet of the Apes $152,000,000 $146,880,162
Jul 11, 2014 Dawn of the Planet of the Apes $170,000,000 $208,545,589
Aug 5, 2011 Rise of the Planet of the Apes $93,000,000 $176,760,185
Jul 27, 2001 Planet of the Apes $100,000,000 $180,011,740

https://www.the-numbers.com/movies/franchise/Planet-of-the-Apes#tab=su
mmary

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Many people (including me) want a good reason to get out of the house for a few hours. I'll pay too much for tickets and Snow Caps if the flick isn't a waste of my time. Lately there hasn't been any flicks to get all that excited about. I love Deadpool but it looks like a multiverse parody flick I can wait for on cable, and I didn't much care for the first Joker so I'll wait for Joker 2 to come to cable also.

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Many people (including me) want a good reason to get out of the house for a few hours. I'll pay too much for tickets and Snow Caps if the flick isn't a waste of my time. Lately there hasn't been any flicks to get all that excited about. I love Deadpool but it looks like a multiverse parody flick I can wait for on cable, and I didn't much care for the first Joker so I'll wait for Joker 2 to come to cable also.

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Another reason why movies are failing: advertisement before the show starts.

My time is worth at least $1 per minute. If the theater can't pay me $15 for the 15 minutes of commercials before the feature starts, I am being cheated by the theater operator. Other movie patrons also feel that commercials are wasting their lives, but they don't express their feeling in money. To avoid being swindled by the crooks running theaters, more and more customers avoid movies.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Necessity being the mother of invention, I have no doubt that they'll figure it out now that they realize the potential future they face otherwise.

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Necessity being the mother of invention, I have no doubt that they'll figure it out now that they realize the potential future they face otherwise.

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I want the following future for the movie industry. Theaters become rarities like concert halls, which are only open for special occasions such as the Rolling Stones coming to Houston, rather than open seven days per week, 14 hours per day, every week of the year. A future without thousands of theaters would be a great thing for America. Most of Hollywood's talent deserves to be downsized into factory work for the production of cheap ass TV shows rather than movies on the big screen.

https://www.nrgpark.com/events/rolling-stones-hackney-diamonds-24/

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Why do you want this? I don't understand your particular grotch.

Just last year you were defending Disney and telling me that they didn't make movies like Lightyear for me. Now you want Hollywood to die and for all the theaters to shut down.

Make it make sense.

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Why do you want this? I don't understand your particular grotch.

Just last year you were defending Disney and telling me that they didn't make movies like Lightyear for me. Now you want Hollywood to die and for all the theaters to shut down.

Make it make sense.

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Have you heard of vaudeville? A type of entertainment popular chiefly in the US in the early 20th century, featuring a mixture of specialty acts such as burlesque comedy and song and dance. A stage play on a trivial theme with interspersed songs. The actors/dancers/comedians/entertainers/musicians/stagehands who once were the vaudeville workforce are out of business, retired by the spread of Hollywood movies. What goes around, comes around. Hollywood is going the way of vaudeville. And the excessive number of movie theaters are 21st-century versions of vaudeville stages.

Now that I think about it, Lightyear was a piece of forgettable Disney piffle, hard to recall compared to the first Toy Story movie that came out before Disney bought Pixar and homogenized it into Blah Stories. Lightyear has a vending machine joke (future sandwiches are one slice of bread between two slices of meat). All of Lightyear is that sandwich, wet and messy on the outside, dry and tasteless on the inside. It was assembled incorrectly, like future sandwiches from an alternative universe in the multiverse, where everything is not simply sub-optimal, but Disney goes to extra effort to make the cartoon visibly inferior.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.

That's probably good news if the international numbers followed suit. If they managed to get something like $90 Million internationally, this one may not end up flopping. It would still be in coin-flip territory for making money, but anything that boosts it above 80% of the production budget on opening weekend will help its long term prospects.

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No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.

That's probably good news if the international numbers followed suit. If they managed to get something like $90 Million internationally, this one may not end up flopping. It would still be in coin-flip territory for making money, but anything that boosts it above 80% of the production budget on opening weekend will help its long term prospects.

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Disney has released a hit...wow

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Why do you want this? I don't understand your particular grotch.

Just last year you were defending Disney and telling me that they didn't make movies like Lightyear for me. Now you want Hollywood to die and for all the theaters to shut down.

Make it make sense.

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Have you heard of vaudeville? A type of entertainment popular chiefly in the US in the early 20th century, featuring a mixture of specialty acts such as burlesque comedy and song and dance. A stage play on a trivial theme with interspersed songs. The actors/dancers/comedians/entertainers/musicians/stagehands who once were the vaudeville workforce are out of business, retired by the spread of Hollywood movies. What goes around, comes around. Hollywood is going the way of vaudeville. And the excessive number of movie theaters are 21st-century versions of vaudeville stages.

Now that I think about it, Lightyear was a piece of forgettable Disney piffle, hard to recall compared to the first Toy Story movie that came out before Disney bought Pixar and homogenized it into Blah Stories. Lightyear has a vending machine joke (future sandwiches are one slice of bread between two slices of meat). All of Lightyear is that sandwich, wet and messy on the outside, dry and tasteless on the inside. It was assembled incorrectly, like future sandwiches from an alternative universe in the multiverse, where everything is not simply sub-optimal, but Disney goes to extra effort to make the cartoon visibly inferior.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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I just find it humorous that you came to the same conclusion about Disney 2 years later, after all the Lefty shill sites finally stopped protecting them. You were going around calling anyone who didn't like Lightyear a Nazi, but whatever.

Better late than never, I suppose.

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Why do you want this? I don't understand your particular grotch.

Just last year you were defending Disney and telling me that they didn't make movies like Lightyear for me. Now you want Hollywood to die and for all the theaters to shut down.

Make it make sense.

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Have you heard of vaudeville? A type of entertainment popular chiefly in the US in the early 20th century, featuring a mixture of specialty acts such as burlesque comedy and song and dance. A stage play on a trivial theme with interspersed songs. The actors/dancers/comedians/entertainers/musicians/stagehands who once were the vaudeville workforce are out of business, retired by the spread of Hollywood movies. What goes around, comes around. Hollywood is going the way of vaudeville. And the excessive number of movie theaters are 21st-century versions of vaudeville stages.

Now that I think about it, Lightyear was a piece of forgettable Disney piffle, hard to recall compared to the first Toy Story movie that came out before Disney bought Pixar and homogenized it into Blah Stories. Lightyear has a vending machine joke (future sandwiches are one slice of bread between two slices of meat). All of Lightyear is that sandwich, wet and messy on the outside, dry and tasteless on the inside. It was assembled incorrectly, like future sandwiches from an alternative universe in the multiverse, where everything is not simply sub-optimal, but Disney goes to extra effort to make the cartoon visibly inferior.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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I just find it humorous that you came to the same conclusion about Disney 2 years later, after all the Lefty shill sites finally stopped protecting them. You were going around calling anyone who didn't like Lightyear a Nazi, but whatever.

Better late than never, I suppose.

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Because you misunderstood what I wrote, 6ix, you prove yourself to be almost the stupidest Trumptard I know. I said Lightyear was a poorly structured story and I used an example from Lightyear to say it, the Lightyear joke about a sandwich with meat where the bread is supposed to be and bread where the meat is supposed to be.

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I don't give one single shit what your opinion about the movie is today. You called me a Nazi when I said it would fail and why and told me that Disney wasn't making movies for me.

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No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.

That's probably good news if the international numbers followed suit. If they managed to get something like $90 Million internationally, this one may not end up flopping. It would still be in coin-flip territory for making money, but anything that boosts it above 80% of the production budget on opening weekend will help its long term prospects.

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Don't get too ahead of yourself now.

We've got to see what happens outside of the US first, and see how much of a drop it sees on weekend 2 before we really know one way or another.


And yeah... Disney owns it, but they've got to be pretty salty right now that nothing their main Disney Studios has put out has made them any money for years. They gotta watch 20th Century Studios putting out a modest hit here and there in between Avatar movies, while also not ever shitting the bed so hard that they cause any substantial and irredeemable loss.


I can't say with any certainty right now if it really loses money or if it makes a buck. I'm pretty sure that if it ends up losing money it won't be much.

Audience reviews are only 78% at RT and it gets a CinemaScore of "B". Both of those are not good.


This one could really go anywhere from here.


Getting nearly $150 Million on opening weekend if they had a higher than expected international opening will really help its chances out.






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I don't know what "so far" means. Maybe it means he got all the internationals this for this weekend and he means so far in the run of the movie. Maybe he means that $72.5 Million has been reported so far for this weekend but he expects more to be reported before he posts those numbers tomorrow.

$72.5 Million brings us back down into $130 Million territory after the real numbers come out higher than the projections. That's less than 80% of the production budget, and if memory serves there were only 2 movies in the Top 100 that came back from poorer openings than that to end up posting a profit.

It will be interesting to see where this one goes.

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No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.

That's probably good news if the international numbers followed suit. If they managed to get something like $90 Million internationally, this one may not end up flopping. It would still be in coin-flip territory for making money, but anything that boosts it above 80% of the production budget on opening weekend will help its long term prospects.

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Don't get too ahead of yourself now.

We've got to see what happens outside of the US first, and see how much of a drop it sees on weekend 2 before we really know one way or another.


And yeah... Disney owns it, but they've got to be pretty salty right now that nothing their main Disney Studios has put out has made them any money for years. They gotta watch 20th Century Studios putting out a modest hit here and there in between Avatar movies, while also not ever shitting the bed so hard that they cause any substantial and irredeemable loss.


I can't say with any certainty right now if it really loses money or if it makes a buck. I'm pretty sure that if it ends up losing money it won't be much.

Audience reviews are only 78% at RT and it gets a CinemaScore of "B". Both of those are not good.


This one could really go anywhere from here.


Getting nearly $150 Million on opening weekend if they had a higher than expected international opening will really help its chances out.






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I don't know what "so far" means. Maybe it means he got all the internationals this for this weekend and he means so far in the run of the movie. Maybe he means that $72.5 Million has been reported so far for this weekend but he expects more to be reported before he posts those numbers tomorrow.

$72.5 Million brings us back down into $130 Million territory after the real numbers come out higher than the projections. That's less than 80% of the production budget, and if memory serves there were only 2 movies in the Top 100 that came back from poorer openings than that to end up posting a profit.

It will be interesting to see where this one goes.

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It did quite a bit better than that with $58,400,788 in the US after the real numbers came in.

I was hesitant to say it would be over $58 Million just because everything has been so wonky this year. Last year while I was tracking movies I would have said it made over $58 Million if the studio projections were $56.5 Million.

So at least in that regard it's behaving like a normal movie in normal times would behave.


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Uggghhh...

I can't look at lists like that. If you have a list of 20 of the worst movies of all time, put them all on one page and don't make me click link after link after link to view all of them.

I know why they do it, because it makes them look like they have 20 times more traffic on paper, but I'm not going to play their game.

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Uggghhh...

I can't look at lists like that. If you have a list of 20 of the worst movies of all time, put them all on one page and don't make me click link after link after link to view all of them.

I know why they do it, because it makes them look like they have 20 times more traffic on paper, but I'm not going to play their game.

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Nothing you're saying here is profound or really even arguable.

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And I'm sure you're just itching to give away that drug for free as soon as people smarter than you upload it to yts.


Hollywood isn't suffering now from the normal glut of bad movies. They're suffering because they forced your woke agenda into them for the last 10 years and nobody will pay to see it anymore. None of this is helped by the fact that the people you voted for wrecked the economy and nobody is going to choose to pay to see even a good movie if it means that they're not eating one day this week.

Yeah... They make a lot of crap. They're also capable of creating wonderful things. And just because you don't like Hollywood now and stopped defending it because your Legacy Media Masters told you to in 2024, it doesn't mean that Hollywood is not important.

What's been happening to Hollywood is a great barometer of the winds of change blowing. Your time is finished. Democrats and Joe* Biden destroyed everything in the 2020s. It will be interesting to see how things get rebuilt now that all of the Democrat nonsense has fallen sharply out of vogue.

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And I'm sure you're just itching to give away that drug for free as soon as people smarter than you upload it to yts.


Hollywood isn't suffering now from the normal glut of bad movies. They're suffering because they forced your woke agenda into them for the last 10 years and nobody will pay to see it anymore. None of this is helped by the fact that the people you voted for wrecked the economy and nobody is going to choose to pay to see even a good movie if it means that they're not eating one day this week.

Yeah... They make a lot of crap. They're also capable of creating wonderful things. And just because you don't like Hollywood now and stopped defending it because your Legacy Media Masters told you to in 2024, it doesn't mean that Hollywood is not important.

What's been happening to Hollywood is a great barometer of the winds of change blowing. Your time is finished. Democrats and Joe* Biden destroyed everything in the 2020s. It will be interesting to see how things get rebuilt now that all of the Democrat nonsense has fallen sharply out of vogue.

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6ix, you talk exactly the same as all the Trumptards I know. Could it be that Trump has infected you? Because he talks the same way. What are you gonna do if Trump loses? Keep spreading Trump's infected talking points that he did not lose? That he will be back in 2028 running for President?

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Before covid the studios would release a bunch of low budget rom-coms and lite comedies in late winter and early spring knowing they'd bomb or if lucky make a few bucks. The sure fire hits were saved for summer and the late year holidays, these would make the big bucks while the crap that lost money early in the year would be forgotten. They'd recoup the money they lost on the crap the released early that year, NOW last year most of the big budget flicks lost money, ALL YEAR! It looks to me that most of the low budget crap is going straight to streaming while what they hope are block busters are going in theaters.

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So is success.


But as we've already discussed in other threads, you see everything in black and white and binary code. You only deal in absolutes.

Though this makes it very easy for you to shut off your brain completely and not have to spend any of what precocious little brain power you are capable of harnessing on having thoughts of your own, this also blinds you completely to the benefit of having data at your fingertips and using your own brain to decipher its meaning.

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But as we've already discussed in other threads, you see everything in black and white and binary code. You only deal in absolutes.

Though this makes it very easy for you to shut off your brain completely and not have to spend any of what precocious little brain power you are capable of harnessing on having thoughts of your own, this also blinds you completely to the benefit of having data at your fingertips and using your own brain to decipher its meaning.

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Hollywood already has a plan to create failure out of success by making the same Ape movie over and over until all the novelty is lost and the Ape movies become guaranteed money losers:

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I'm not watching any of this crap. I'm going to assume based off this conversation that little of it interests you either.

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The Ape movies are repetitive, losing novelty and ticket sales. But Hollywood has always been that way, making the same damn movie over and over until audiences, except for teenagers, are sick of that particular product and crave some new novelty. The example I previously gave you was the silent movie Stella Maris from 1918, which was remade in 1925. Hollywood stumbles upon occasional successes, but its fundamental nature, its inability to understand why some stories work and others don't, dooms it to make mostly failures with random successes thrown in at infrequent intervals. The money men in Hollywood have no idea what works and they never will, even back in 1918.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stella_Maris_(1918_film)

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Your input has not improved any of these works one single time and it is no longer welcome. Just shut the fuck up and do your job. And in case nobody ever told you, your job is to make something a paying audience is eager enough to watch that they'd even sit through commercials to see it to the end. That is your ONLY job. Period.

Keep your opinions and politics and bullshit in your own living room where they belong. The People have no desire to hear your opinions when they are paying to be entertained. They never did. Not when they could get every one of them for free just by putting MSNBC on for an hour or watching the Gals on The View.

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At this point I'm just wondering how many times you can reply to a thread in a single day and say the exact same thing.

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6ix, you are under some grandiose delusion that Hollywood is injecting politics into its products to spite Trumptards.

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That is NOT what Hollywood is doing.

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This will NOT be a billion $ block buster, those days may be gone

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Oh... Certainly not. I don't any path to $500 Million for Apes. It only needs $412.5 Million to break even though.

My honest opinion from what I'm seeing right now is that it will either lose a little bit of money or it will make a little bit of money and not make much waves either way. If breaking even were the bullseye, I think they just about hit it here. My guess is that it makes 15% +/- the break even point, or between $350 Million and $475 Million worldwide.

We'll have to see what the first weekend drop is going to be before any real predictions for a final number can be made, but I'm happy with that range and can say with just about 100% confidence it falls within it.



I wouldn't say that Billion Dollar days are gone, but I think all the major studios will have gotten the message loud and clear that the days of that almost being a given on blockbusters are over and that they're really going to have to start justifying those big budgets going forward.

We might get one of them this year. Barbie did almost $1.5 Billion last year and Top Gun: Maverick did the same the year before that. Oh... and The Super Mario Movie did somewhere around $1.35 Billion last year too.

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No word on internationals yet, but Apes managed to defy expectations and post $56.5 Million over the weekend according to projections. It's probably going to be well over $57 Million once the real numbers come in.

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It did quite a bit better than that with $58,400,788 in the US after the real numbers came in.

I was hesitant to say it would be over $58 Million just because everything has been so wonky this year. Last year while I was tracking movies I would have said it made over $58 Million if the studio projections were $56.5 Million.

So at least in that regard it's behaving like a normal movie in normal times would behave.

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Bruce is predicting a pretty big 60% this weekend in the US for only $23.4 Million and a drop to 2nd place. He doesn't go into any detail at all about Apes in the prediction article.

Regardless of how it does Internationally, it should be quite a bit less of a drop than 60% simply because we get their new numbers for all week instead of just the weekend numbers. Typically if that film was doing well last year, it amounted to essentially doubling opening weekend's numbers. With a 60% drop in the US on 2nd weekend, maybe that amounts to 85% of the first weekend internationally?

Bruce's $23.4 Million added to the current worldwide total would be just shy of $171.5 Million worldwide.

Let's say 85% of last weekend's $75 Million on top of it.

So maybe we see around $235 Million come Monday?

Maybe Bruce is full of shit and it does $35 Million in the US this weekend and an extra $12 Million internationally and we're well over $250 Million on Monday?

Who knows.... It's all guessing right now.


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