Quote:

---

Originally posted by christhecynic:
2 Why was she naked?
My guess is that it has to do with the mechanics of being in cryo.

---

Quote:

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by christhecynic:

2 Why was she naked?
My guess is that it has to do with the mechanics of being in cryo.

---

Originally posted by thesoapboxer:

Joss: "Uh, yeah... mechanics of cyro, right... That's why..."

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Stegasaurus:
...and you're bound to find minor mistakes between the movie and the show. Call it "creative license" then move on.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by themantheycalledJames:

I saw the movie WAY WAY before I saw any of the TV show, and after watching the pilot...I have one big question why did SIMON PUT RIVER and in a box naked. When Simon broke her out of the academy she seemed fuctional (for River) and carrying a huge box around makes him even more noticialbe then if he just gave her a new hair cut and made sure she didn't wander off.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by thesoapboxer:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by christhecynic:
2 Why was she naked?

---

Curse you all. Now I can't get the thought out of my head that at some point Simon had to undress his sister!! That is really creepy. I think I am going to need therapy.

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Cybersnark:
*wanders in, reads thread title*

'Cause if she'd been in a jar, everyone could've seen her.

*wanders out*

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Murkymerc:
Curse you all. Now I can't get the thought out of my head that at some point Simon had to undress his sister!! That is really creepy. I think I am going to need therapy.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Murkymerc:
Curse you all. Now I can't get the thought out of my head that at some point Simon had to undress his sister!! That is really creepy. I think I am going to need therapy.

---

Quote:

---

Two things, the first is that she could have undressed herself and hopped in the box. The second I've decided not to mention but I figure I'll leave you to wonder what it is.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by christhecynic:
If you look at the Serenity (episode) shooting script the movie does contradict it. On the other hand if you just watch the episode the movie doesn't contradict it at all, so I don't see why people have to say, "Well it was changed for the movie."

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by thesoapboxer:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by christhecynic:
2 Why was she naked?
My guess is that it has to do with the mechanics of being in cryo.

---

Joss: "Uh, yeah... mechanics of cyro, right... That's why..."

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Hera:
...having her be sans clothes isn't prurient, it's good story telling.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Hera:

So, from a screenwriter's point of view, if you wished to elicit sympathy/empathy for River; wanted to exemplify how vulnerable and easily victimized she could be, having her be sans clothes isn't prurient, it's good story telling.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by niknak:


Exactly. I fancy Summer Glau as much as the next man but when River jumped out of the box I was thinking "ahhh, someone get the poor girl some clothes," and not "oooh sexy - show us more!". Credit to the acting, directing and script for making me think that.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Hera:
in the Serenity ep, not only does she wake up disoriented, in an unknown place with no one she knows in sight, she wakes up start-raving naked. Literally.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by theonetruebix:
Maybe because JOss has stated outright that he contradicted the story told in the series, because he wanted a dramatic rescue scene for the film.

---

Quote:

---

That said, he's said since then that he's adopted the fanwank you've already seen here about Simon lying in the series.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by niknak:

Quote:

---

Originally posted by Hera:

So, from a screenwriter's point of view, if you wished to elicit sympathy/empathy for River; wanted to exemplify how vulnerable and easily victimized she could be, having her be sans clothes isn't prurient, it's good story telling.

---

Exactly. I fancy Summer Glau as much as the next man but when River jumped out of the box I was thinking "ahhh, someone get the poor girl some clothes," and not "oooh sexy - show us more!". Credit to the acting, directing and script for making me think that.

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by christhecynic:
I mean I see why you would want to say he lied, it implies he is inept which works towards furthering the character, but it also means that something he said must not have been true.

So
Either he was not contacted by men
Or they were not underground
Or they were not a movement
Or they didn't say she was in danger
Or they didn't say the government was playing with her brain
Or they didn't ask for funding
Or they didn't say they could get her out
Or they didn't mention cryo
Or they didn't say they’d bring her to Persephone

Well he was in contact with them so they must have contacted him even it was a reply instead of initation
We know that they were underground
We know that he paid them
We know that they got her out as part of an orchestrated plan (so they must have said they could at some point)
We also know that they told him about the conditioning.

That means the only things he could be lying about are:
The men being a movement
Them saying she was in danger
Them being involved in the cyro bit
And
Them bringing her to Persephone

If they were not a movement it hardly matters much.
If they didn't say she was in danger it still doesn’t make much of a difference.

That means that the only reason to say Simon was lying is if the people who got River out were not involved in the cryo bit and/or getting River to Persephone.

This means that there was an entire as yet unrevealed and indeed unhinted at leg of the journey. Simon was involved with some other group of people who either got him the cryo equipment or passage to Persephone, or both.

Why make that assumption? Isn't it so much easier to assume everything he said was true?

---

Quote:

---

Originally posted by christhecynic:


1 Why did Simon put River in a box?

....

2 Why was she naked?

My guess is that it has to do with the mechanics of being in cryo.

---