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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:

401,000+ Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office and promised to "shut down the virus."
https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/biden-covid-death-tracker/

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Originally posted by second:
Those mRNA vaccines are hot stuff! Maybe.
by Kevin Drum

A reader brought to my attention a CDC study of COVID-19 from late October that compared the mortality rate of vaccinated people vs. unvaccinated people. However, this study didn't do the usual boring thing and investigate deaths from COVID. It investigated deaths from non-COVID causes. Surprisingly, it turned out that mortality from non-COVID causes was way lower for people who had been vaccinated with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm#T2_down



The standardized mortality rate from non-COVID causes was about 0.35 for vaccinated people vs. 1.11 for non-vaccinated people. This disparity held for all age groups, all races and ethnicities, and for both men and women. The disparity was biggest among the Black community: the unvaccinated mortality rate was more than 4x that of the vaccinated.

I am suspicious of these results, but not because I have any specific objections to the data gathering or the statistical analysis. Somebody with access to the raw data would have to comment on that.

However, I'm routinely suspicious of studies that show gigantic results. I mean, if these vaccines had some odd property that reduced your mortality rate by 10% or 20% or so, I might buy it. But 3x or more? That's beyond belief.

There's also this: I couldn't find any critiques of this study. Why? If these results are real, every medical researcher in the world should be gobsmacked. Money should be pouring into research labs that want to investigate what's going on. But that doesn't seem to be the case. These results were reported fairly widely when the study came out, but the mainstream press mostly ignored it and after that it disappeared. This makes no sense.

If this study is true, it's yet another great reason to get vaccinated—and to get happily boosted every year. But I would hold on for some independent confirmation before I started celebrating.

https://jabberwocking.com/those-mrna-vaccines-are-hot-stuff-maybe/

"Lower rates of non–COVID-19 mortality in vaccinated groups suggest that COVID-19 vaccinees are inherently healthier or engage in fewer risk behaviors (7,8); future analyses will address these issues." -- https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's possible that the populations are self-selected, that is, the people who got vaccinated are wealthier, better-educated, have healthier lifestyles, have better insurance or better access to healthcare, or differ by some other factor that caused the disparity. There is no mention of correcting for these other factors.

That's the problem with correlation:
A causes B,
B causes A,
A and B are caused by C,
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Could be a coincidence that only applies to approximately 11 million persons enrolled in seven Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) sites:

1) Kaiser Permanente (KP) Southern California, Pasadena, California;
2) KP Northern California, Oakland, California;
3) KP Colorado, Denver, Colorado;
4) KP Northwest, Portland, Oregon;
5) KP Washington, Seattle, Washington;
6) HealthPartners, Minneapolis, Minnesota;
7) Marshfield Clinic, Marshfield, Wisconsin.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
What I wonder is... there are many ??? about whether the vaccines protect against Omicron bc it has so many mutations in it's spike protein.

Seems like it is mild enough to be almost a moot point.

But what about the reverse? Does an Omicron infection protect ppl against the previous variants?

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Far-right Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., relayed Trump’s position on Twitter Monday, apparently attempting to assure skeptics that Trump’s promotion of the jab does not equal support for COVID-19 vaccine mandates.

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Far-right Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., relayed Trump’s position on Twitter Monday, apparently attempting to assure skeptics that Trump’s promotion of the jab does not equal support for COVID-19 vaccine mandates.

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That's pretty much where I am.

It's like being against the lies being told about Trump without necessarily being "for" him. It's possible to make distinctions between similar things.

Well, not possible for a lot of people here, but ...

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Greene has repeatedly compared those promoting mask and vaccine usage to Nazis, continuing to make the offensive analogy even after issuing a public apology for it.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It's like being against the lies being told about Trump without necessarily being "for" him. It's possible to make distinctions between similar things.

Well, not possible for a lot of people here, but ...

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USA 53,791,000+
India 34,799,691
Brazil 22,246,276

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https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
401,000+ Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office and promised to "shut down the virus."
https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/biden-covid-death-tracker/

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
BTW, the report is also delusional. There is a lot of technical info in the metadata indicating that the files were loaded to a USB drive by someone with legitimate access to the servers, not xfered across the inet.

The report is just politicized bullshit which ignores Crowdstrike' s testimony, AND THE EVIDENCE, pointing in another direction.

Establishment GOP and Democrats are trying to pre-emptively smear Trump - I see it in the M$Mand even in the Financial Times and other foreign establishment papers - bc they're terrified that if Trump runs, he'll win, again.

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The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most ,that we are told to trust. I think it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I'm sick of it.

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Got quotes and links for that?

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Originally posted by second:
Trump retweeted that Covid-19 was a big hoax in July 2020.

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The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most ,that we are told to trust. I think it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I'm sick of it.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/507011-trump-retweets-game
-show-host-who-said-cdc-is-lying-about-coronavirus

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Trump retweeted that Covid-19 was a big hoax in July 2020.

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The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most ,that we are told to trust. I think it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I'm sick of it.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/507011-trump-retweets-game
-show-host-who-said-cdc-is-lying-about-coronavirus

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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The CDC did and still continues to lie about Covid.

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Trump retweeted that Covid-19 was a big hoax in July 2020.

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The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most ,that we are told to trust. I think it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I'm sick of it.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/507011-trump-retweets-game
-show-host-who-said-cdc-is-lying-about-coronavirus

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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The CDC did and still continues to lie about Covid.

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Trump was less moderate than you.

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In his version of the "Truth", everybody, not just the CDC, was lying.

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The Media was lying.

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The Democrats were lying.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Didn't read the rest of your dumb bullshit.

I'm sure I've already heard it a thousand times before.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The destruction of history is part of the globalist agenda. Whether it is destroying statues or making shit up, it's equally appalling. If you don't know what happened, you can never learn.

Studying history is like watching the media: you don't believe (or disbelieve) bc ppl "say so". You have to place it at a distance and try to figure out WHAT ACTUALLY happened/is happening. Part of that is judging the agenda of the people telling the stories ("cui bono?).

If you don't, you will be constantly adrift and caught by surprise by future events.

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The irony of Second calling anything anti-intellectualism.

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The irony of Second calling anything anti-intellectualism.

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For my entire life, going all the way back to Republican cheerleaders of the Vietnam War in my own family, I've heard people who are absolutely certain that they are knowledgeable and know "The Truth". They know nothing; nothing at all.

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The irony of Second calling anything anti-intellectualism.

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For my entire life, going all the way back to Republican cheerleaders of the Vietnam War in my own family,

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T-Cells "Minimize" Damage Caused By Omicron, Studies Show
by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Dec 30, 2021 - 12:20 PM

Two new studies - one from Erasmus University in the Netherlands and one from the University of Cape Town in South Africa - have just reminded humanity that our antibodies aren't the last line of defense against COVID, and its newest variant, omicron.

Both have confirmed that T-cells, what Bloomberg describes as the body's weapon against every virus-infected cell, have shown a surprising ability to defend against omicron.

The report goes on to explain that T-cells are the reason why mortality hasn't increased alongside the advent of omicron: with or without vaccines, the human body still has a tool in its toolkit to suppress viruses like these. The T-cell's most critical attribute, when it comes to fighting viruses, is that they target the whole of the spike protein that viruses use to bind with human cells. Because of this, mutations that impact the spike protein (omicron was said to have 50 pertinent mutations in that department) won't help it evade the T-cell response.

For their study, the Dutch researchers looked at 60 vaccinated health-care workers and found that while their antibody responses to omicron were lower or nonexistent (compared with the beta or delta), their T cell responses were largely unaltered and still potent, "potentially balancing the lack of neutralizing antibodies in preventing or limiting severe Covid-19," according to the study.

The other study, from the University of Cape Town’s Institute of Infectious Disease and Molecular Medicine, looked at recovered COVID patients, and those who had been vaccinated with the Pfizer or J&J jabs.

While antibodies didn't fare well, they found that 70% to 80% of the T-cell responses were able to suppress omicron.

Vaccines are helpful in that they help induce a T-cell response to the virus, according to the Dutch researchers. Overall, these results demonstrate that vaccination and infection induce a robust CD4 and CD8 T-cell response that largely cross-reacts with omicron, consistent with recent work from our laboratory and others on limited T-cell escape by Beta, Delta and other variants..."

The Dutch summarized the data from their study in a pair of figures, presented below:

Readers can find the Dutch study below courtesy of medrxiv:

5.3.6 Postmarketing Experience by Joseph Adinolfi Jr. on Scribd

Here's something to think about, dear reader, as the people in charge try to solve a problem with more of the same (ie more bosters for the already-boosted): immune protection has several layers. While antibodies block infection, T-cells kill infected cells, preventing the virus from spreading and causing more damage. Wendy Burgens, one of the authors of the University of Cape Town study, wrote on her Twitter account Virus Monologues. "They can’t prevent you from getting infected, but they can minimize the damage that comes afterwards," she said.

That's something to keep in mind.

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Did ou miss the Johnson years? He escalated the war. Nixon ended it. Can't help you if you jumped in on a lost cause bc you listened to out-of-touch ppl. You were pretty out-of-touch too.
Heck, I'm younger than you and even I knew, at my young, stupider age, that Vietnam was a pointless clusterfuck. Bc for all I could tell, it had no resources and no strategic / shipping relevance. The whole of SE Asia could go commie, as far as I could tell. Geography. All I needed to do was look at a map

SE Asia was just a CIA base for opium production, same as Afghanistan.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: Same applies to you, bud. You lie, cheat, and steal.

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SIGNYM:

Did ou miss the Johnson years? He escalated the war. Nixon ended it. Can't help you if you jumped in on a lost cause bc you listened to out-of-touch ppl. You were pretty out-of-touch too.
Heck, I'm younger than you and even I knew, at my young, stupider age, that Vietnam was a pointless clusterfuck. Bc for all I could tell, it had no resources and no strategic / shipping relevance. The whole of SE Asia could go commie, as far as I could tell. Geography. All I needed to do was look at a map

SE Asia was just a CIA base for opium production, same as Afghanistan.

SECOND: Let me keep it simple for you.... blah blah blah... their politics and beliefs about government and race and women and immigration and killing foreign civilians and every subject imaginable has always been pure Liberal. That is not a compliment. They have not done well financially or spiritually or professionally or maritally or any other way since they adopted nutty cultural Marxism and they hate real Americans and blame them for everything that has gone bad in their personal lives.

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Very much like the crazy librals hated Nixon and Republicans, the 2021 crazy liberaloids hate Trump and Republicans, and for the same reasons – their beliefs are crazy, they believe themselves superior, they aren’t doing well and they have to blame that failure, absolutely have to, on somebody other than themselves.

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SIGNYM: Same applies to you, bud. You lie, cheat, and steal.

SECOND: Always, these critics say that successful people lie, cheat and steal to get ahead.

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SECOND: It is a weird mental tick I have.

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.27.21268416v1
This study shows that vaccinated individuals retain T-cell immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant, potentially balancing the lack of neutralizing antibodies in preventing or limiting severe COVID-19. Booster vaccinations may be needed to further restore Omicron cross-neutralization by antibodies.

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... neutralization of Omicron was observed or restored in all boosted individuals ... An increase in S-specific T-cells was also observed after booster vaccination of mRNA-1273(Moderna)-primed participants.

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.26.21268380v1
These results demonstrate that despite Omicron's extensive mutations and reduced susceptibility to neutralizing antibodies, the majority of T cell response, induced by vaccination or natural infection, cross-recognises the variant. Well-preserved T cell immunity to Omicron is likely to contribute to protection from severe COVID-19, supporting early clinical observations from South Africa.
Overall, these results demonstrate that vaccination and infection induce a robust CD4 and CD8 T cell response that largely cross-reacts with Omicron, consistent with recent work from our laboratory and others on limited T cell escape by Beta, Delta and other variants. Despite extensive neutralization escape against Omicron, 70-80% of the T cell response is preserved. The limited effect of Omicron’s mutations on the T cell response suggests that vaccination or prior infection may still provide substantial protection from severe disease.

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Did ou miss the Johnson years? He escalated the war. Nixon ended it. Can't help you if you jumped in on a lost cause bc you listened to out-of-touch ppl. You were pretty out-of-touch too.
Heck, I'm younger than you and even I knew, at my young, stupider age, that Vietnam was a pointless clusterfuck. Bc for all I could tell, it had no resources and no strategic / shipping relevance. The whole of SE Asia could go commie, as far as I could tell. Geography. All I needed to do was look at a map

SE Asia was just a CIA base for opium production, same as Afghanistan.

SECOND: Let me keep it simple for you.... blah blah blah... their politics and beliefs about government and race and women and immigration and killing foreign civilians and every subject imaginable has always been pure Liberal. That is not a compliment. They have not done well financially or spiritually or professionally or maritally or any other way since they adopted nutty cultural Marxism and they hate real Americans and blame them for everything that has gone bad in their personal lives.

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You, ROOMBA, TWITCHY, THUGR, AND JO753 are prime examples

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Very much like the crazy librals hated Nixon and Republicans, the 2021 crazy liberaloids hate Trump and Republicans, and for the same reasons – their beliefs are crazy, they believe themselves superior, they aren’t doing well and they have to blame that failure, absolutely have to, on somebody other than themselves.

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Especially on "racism", "men", "white people" and anyone who doesn't follow their woke ideology.

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SIGNYM: Same applies to you, bud. You lie, cheat, and steal.

SECOND: Always, these critics say that successful people lie, cheat and steal to get ahead.

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Not "successful people", SECOND. YOU YOU are a demonstrated liar. YOU blamed "rentier capitalism" for the wealth gap. YOU are the one blaming everything under the sun on "them"- Republicans. Trump supporters. Russians. Americans! Democracy. Rule of law.

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Yes YOU are the nutcase railing against everthing else to shift the blame from your own stupidity.

Everything you post about "them" applies to you and your equally nutty friends.
It's that simple.

Fixed it for you!

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The Omicron variant of COVID-19 put many people's holiday plans to rest. Just when we thought we were done with the pandemic, it roped us back in. Mercifully, according to the CDC, this variant is milder than all other forms. But the rapid proliferation of the Omicron variant of COVID-19, especially in North America, means that pretty much everyone you know who hasn't had COVID-19 will likely be getting it, no matter how many vaccines they have had, or how hard they have tried to prevent getting it.

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Why the need to go into detail about never having sinned? Some are saying the quiet part aloud: "There is a strange feeling of shame and embarrassment around us getting covid," as one person admitted. "We did everything we thought was right to avoid it- masks, tests, vaccines, boosters- and we still got it."

"As an ultra-cautious, triple vaccinated, always-masker I was shocked and very afraid," another tweeted. "To my surprise, I also felt ashamed. And embarrassed. How could *I* have let this happen? How could *I* have put my family at risk?"

These people want you to know they are the "good" Americans, those who wear two or three masks, didn't see family, travel or socialize for two years, and didn't leave their houses. "We did everything right," followed all the rules, and still got it!

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