Some Covid-19 thoughts by captaincrunch

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Those mRNA vaccines are hot stuff! Maybe.
by Kevin Drum

A reader brought to my attention a CDC study of COVID-19 from late October that compared the mortality rate of vaccinated people vs. unvaccinated people. However, this study didn't do the usual boring thing and investigate deaths from COVID. It investigated deaths from non-COVID causes. Surprisingly, it turned out that mortality from non-COVID causes was way lower for people who had been vaccinated with either the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm#T2_down

The standardized mortality rate from non-COVID causes was about 0.35 for vaccinated people vs. 1.11 for non-vaccinated people. This disparity held for all age groups, all races and ethnicities, and for both men and women. The disparity was biggest among the Black community: the unvaccinated mortality rate was more than 4x that of the vaccinated.

I am suspicious of these results, but not because I have any specific objections to the data gathering or the statistical analysis. Somebody with access to the raw data would have to comment on that.

However, I'm routinely suspicious of studies that show gigantic results. I mean, if these vaccines had some odd property that reduced your mortality rate by 10% or 20% or so, I might buy it. But 3x or more? That's beyond belief.

There's also this: I couldn't find any critiques of this study. Why? If these results are real, every medical researcher in the world should be gobsmacked. Money should be pouring into research labs that want to investigate what's going on. But that doesn't seem to be the case. These results were reported fairly widely when the study came out, but the mainstream press mostly ignored it and after that it disappeared. This makes no sense.

If this study is true, it's yet another great reason to get vaccinated—and to get happily boosted every year. But I would hold on for some independent confirmation before I started celebrating.

https://jabberwocking.com/those-mrna-vaccines-are-hot-stuff-maybe/

"Lower rates of non–COVID-19 mortality in vaccinated groups suggest that COVID-19 vaccinees are inherently healthier or engage in fewer risk behaviors (7,8); future analyses will address these issues." -- https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

It's possible that the populations are self-selected, that is, the people who got vaccinated are wealthier, better-educated, have healthier lifestyles, have better insurance or better access to healthcare, or differ by some other factor that caused the disparity. There is no mention of correcting for these other factors.

That's the problem with correlation:
A causes B,
B causes A,
A and B are caused by C,
sheer coincidence

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 3:35 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
It's possible that the populations are self-selected, that is, the people who got vaccinated are wealthier, better-educated, have healthier lifestyles, have better insurance or better access to healthcare, or differ by some other factor that caused the disparity. There is no mention of correcting for these other factors.

That's the problem with correlation:
A causes B,
B causes A,
A and B are caused by C,
sheer coincidence

Could be a coincidence that only applies to approximately 11 million persons enrolled in seven Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) sites:

1) Kaiser Permanente (KP) Southern California, Pasadena, California;
2) KP Northern California, Oakland, California;
3) KP Colorado, Denver, Colorado;
4) KP Northwest, Portland, Oregon;
5) KP Washington, Seattle, Washington;
6) HealthPartners, Minneapolis, Minnesota;
7) Marshfield Clinic, Marshfield, Wisconsin.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 4:02 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

What I wonder is... there are many ??? about whether the vaccines protect against Omicron bc it has so many mutations in it's spike protein.

Seems like it is mild enough to be almost a moot point.

But what about the reverse? Does an Omicron infection protect ppl against the previous variants?

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 4:15 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Could be a coincidence that only applies to approximately 11 million persons enrolled in seven Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) sites:

1) Kaiser Permanente (KP) Southern California, Pasadena, California;
2) KP Northern California, Oakland, California;
3) KP Colorado, Denver, Colorado;
4) KP Northwest, Portland, Oregon;
5) KP Washington, Seattle, Washington;
6) HealthPartners, Minneapolis, Minnesota;
7) Marshfield Clinic, Marshfield, Wisconsin.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7043e2.htm

The study obviously involves people who have private medical insurance. (The population from which it was drawn were mainly Kaiser enrolees specifically.) That makes that population different from people who are on Medicare/ Medicaid/ have no insurance, who primarily tend to be poor and also non-white.

To me the study shows a selection bias based on income, which also translates population-wise to a selection bias based on ethnic groups.

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 4:52 PM

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Trump may be losing some hard-core supporters over his recent endorsement of the COVID-19 vaccine, but at least one of his most outspoken allies still has his back.

Far-right Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., relayed Trump’s position on Twitter Monday, apparently attempting to assure skeptics that Trump’s promotion of the jab does not equal support for COVID-19 vaccine mandates.

“I have President Trump’s permission to tell you all that he is 100% AGAINST the mandates, but he still encourages everyone to get the vaccine and booster,” Greene wrote, saying she had just spoken to him on the phone. “That is his position. He also said if he was President he would never mandate the vaccines, and no one would be fired [for not getting vaccinated].”

While the freshman congresswoman did not go so far as to advocate getting inoculated against COVID herself, the post was notable in light of Greene’s own track record as both an opponent of the vaccine and a constant source of misinformation about the coronavirus.

The tweet seems to reflect the awkward position many outspoken supporters of the former president have found themselves in as a result of his recent vaccine advocacy. At an event with former Fox News host Bill O’Reilly in Dallas on Dec. 19, Trump confirmed that he had been fully vaccinated against COVID-19 and revealed that he had received a third shot, a comment that prompted boos from some people in the audience. In another interview with conservative commentator Candace Owens later that week, Trump continued to tout the efficacy of the COVID vaccines, which were developed under his administration.

“The vaccine is one of the greatest achievements of mankind,” Trump told Owens. “And if you take the vaccine, you’re protected. The results of the vaccine are good.”

The comments drew immediate criticism from some prominent far-right figures, like conspiracy theorist Alex Jones, who said Trump’s words were “nothing but a raft of dirty lies” and warned, “You are either completely ignorant ... or you are one of the most evil men who ever lived.” Others, like MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell and pro-Trump lawyer Lin Wood, attempted to defend Trump. In a statement to the Daily Beast last week, Lindell said that while he is “100% against the vaccine!” he wasn’t concerned about Trump’s support for it because “he is 100% against mandates!” Wood suggested Trump’s vaccine endorsement was part of his “wartime strategy” and urged followers to hold off on “passing judgment.”

Even Owens seemed caught between supporting the former president and opposing the vaccine after her interview with Trump, saying that while she had “no issue with any person who wants to get the vaccine,” she did not trust it and would “never, ever” let it into her body.

Monday’s messaging appeared to be Greene’s attempt to reconcile the recent comments made by her “favorite president of all time” with her own vociferous anti-vax stance.

More at https://news.yahoo.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-tries-to-explain-trumps-
pro-vaccine-stance-bashes-mandates-185001566.html

Marjorie Taylor Greene @mtgreenee tweeted:

1. I just got off the phone with my favorite President of all time, Donald J. Trump.

We discussed many issues, people, races in ‘22 as well as vaccines and mandates.

We discussed #COVID19, how awful the virus from China has been, and how horribly it’s been politicized.

2. I have President Trump’s permission to tell you all that he is 100% AGAINST the mandates, but he still encourages everyone to get the vaccine and booster.

That is his position.

He also said if he was President he would never mandate the vaccines, and no one would be fired.

3:23 PM · Dec 27, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
https://twitter.com/mtgreenee/status/1475578090025676800

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 5:09 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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What I wonder is... there are many ??? about whether the vaccines protect against Omicron bc it has so many mutations in it's spike protein.

Seems like it is mild enough to be almost a moot point.

But what about the reverse? Does an Omicron infection protect ppl against the previous variants?

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About Omicron, vaccines, and mandates in general ...

I think it all depends on the numbers.

Starting with who is a vulnerable population? Well, people over 65 are at increased risk. There was some question whether they were at risk because of age or because older people have generally collected more co-morbidities than younger people. And the last time I looked (which was a LONG time ago! and which may have changed since then) the opinion was slanted towards co-morbidities. But anyway, there are older people, over 65. And there are people with diabetes, asthma, high blood pressure, high BMI, kidney disease, immune suppression ... and other comorbidities that can occur at any age. When I totalled it all up, over half the population was at increased risk of death for medical reasons.

Then there are people at high risk jobs, essential employees, and so forth who you might also want to protect.

Adding up the medically vulnerable and the people one might want to specially protect, they're clearly the majority of the population, and maybe even the vast majority. So there are a lot of people who could use the protection of vaccination/ boosters, N95 masks, and whatever else you want to implement.

Then there's the impact of large numbers of sick people on the medical system, which might mean other sick people don't get care. And there's also the impact of large numbers of sick people on national health care expenses, and on the economy in general.

So I see a few large impacts from uncontrolled COVID-19 on the country as a whole.

When it comes to children, I have 2 questions 1) are they more or less hurt by vaccination or infection* and 2) do they significantly impact vulnerable populations*.

When it comes to Omicron, preliminary data I saw is that, like with other variants, mRNA vaccines prevent about 2/3* of all infections. But if Omicron is 3x* more transmissible for example, then of course the protection factor is overwhelmed by the transmissibility factor. It's not that vaccination doesn't help, it's that you need to run faster just to stay in place.

To me, the answers lie in the numbers*. What mitigates significant impacts of COVID-19, and what doesn't?

But where are those numbers*? Where are the risk/ benefit analyses* I know must have been done?

In general, every time I see claims and statements made without direct reference to supporting data ... I have serious doubts about validity. That test served me well with Iraq/ WMD and with Trump/ RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!RUSSIA!!!; and with many 'news' events between the two. So when I see overblown 'news' stories about the dangers of COVID-19 vaccinations (untethered to any data or evidence); OR I see bald statements about how everyone needs to be immunized, or else! DOOOOOOMMM!!! (also untethered to any data or evidence) ... I have to put those statements into the 'something smells bad' bin.

Anyway, those are my thoughts. But I have no conclusions, simply because there's no evidence attached to the hype.

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 6:49 PM

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Far-right Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., relayed Trump’s position on Twitter Monday, apparently attempting to assure skeptics that Trump’s promotion of the jab does not equal support for COVID-19 vaccine mandates.

That's pretty much where I am.

It's like being against the lies being told about Trump without necessarily being "for" him. It's possible to make distinctions between similar things.

Well, not possible for a lot of people here, but ...

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Tuesday, December 28, 2021 8:19 PM

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Far-right Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene, R-Ga., relayed Trump’s position on Twitter Monday, apparently attempting to assure skeptics that Trump’s promotion of the jab does not equal support for COVID-19 vaccine mandates.
That's pretty much where I am.

It's like being against the lies being told about Trump without necessarily being "for" him. It's possible to make distinctions between similar things.

Well, not possible for a lot of people here, but ...

I'm guessing you don't know Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene. Greene said COVID was dangerous only to those who were over 65 or obese. She said the vaccines were “failing” and ineffective, though Insider reported last week that she owned shares of three companies that produced vaccines.

Greene has repeatedly compared those promoting mask and vaccine usage to Nazis, continuing to make the offensive analogy even after issuing a public apology for it. During an appearance on former Trump adviser Steve Bannon’s podcast last month, Greene once again railed against “vaccine Nazis” and stated proudly that she is “not vaccinated, and I’m not getting the vaccine because I’m an American.” Signym, what do you think of that? I think, with such statements, Greene has killed people because she runs her mouth when she should not.

https://news.yahoo.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-tries-to-explain-trumps-
pro-vaccine-stance-bashes-mandates-185001566.html

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Wednesday, December 29, 2021 12:44 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I know about Greene.

But UNLIKE YOU, I can agree with ONE of her statements without agreeing - or disagreeing- with everything else that she's said on that topic (or any other topic).

That's like with Trump: I agreed with three things that he proposed (free trade, immigration, relations with Russia) I disagreed with other things (Israel, Iran).

Like I said: SOME people here are incapable of distinguishing between similar things. Seems like you're one of those people.

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Wednesday, December 29, 2021 1:22 PM

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Greene has repeatedly compared those promoting mask and vaccine usage to Nazis, continuing to make the offensive analogy even after issuing a public apology for it.

No sane person is calling anybody who promotes masks or vaccines a Nazi.

Promote it all you want.

Anybody trying to FORCE vaccines on people or FORCE people to wear masks, whether through laws or ensuring that they lose their job and the ability to take care of themselves and/or provide for their family if they won't comply is a Nazi.

I predicted this was all going to happen a long time ago. People here said I was nuts.

Nope. The longer this drags out the more right I've been about everything.

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Wednesday, December 29, 2021 2:32 PM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

Got quotes and links for that?

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Wednesday, December 29, 2021 3:55 PM

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

It's like being against the lies being told about Trump without necessarily being "for" him. It's possible to make distinctions between similar things.

Well, not possible for a lot of people here, but ...

You just did two fool things at once. 1) claim superiority for yourself to someone who knows you are definitely not superior from years of reading your comments and 2) claim the media was lying when it wasn't. That is a pair of mental twitches both you and Trump share. You and Trump twitch constantly. Since Russia-Russia-Russia is both Trump's and your bête noire, here is:

The Senate Intelligence Committee's fifth and final bipartisan report investigated Russian efforts to interfere in the 2016 election. This volume is primarily focused on counterintelligence threats and the wide range of Russian attempts to influence both the Trump campaign and the election.
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/press/rubio-statement-senate-intel
-release-volume-5-bipartisan-russia-report

The committee found that Russian President Vladimir Putin was personally behind the hack and leak operation that published stolen Democratic Party emails, and that WikiLeaks — the website that published them — played a key role and "very likely knew it was assisting a Russian intelligence influence effort."

The Trump campaign sought to take advantage of those leaks by asking for advance notice of the WikiLeaks disclosures, crafting public relations strategies around them, and even encouraging "further theft of information and continued leaks."

This took place at critical moments of the 2016 campaign, the Senate Intelligence Committee concluded.

For example, when the Trump campaign was made aware that The Washington Post would be publishing a copy of the now-infamous Access Hollywood tape, word got to Trump confidant Roger Stone — who tried to get a message to WikiLeaks through an intermediary so that it would publish hacked Democratic Party emails immediately.

WikiLeaks ultimately published stolen emails approximately 30 minutes after the Access Hollywood story was put online.

Then Trump went on a wild and crazy tangent that had absolutely nothing to do with anything in the report, but distracted and confused the public so they would not read the actual report:

The Trump campaign responded to the Senate Intelligence Committee report by saying it was evidence that "there was no collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign," adding its contention that the "Russia Collusion Hoax is the greatest political scandal in the history of this country."

https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/903512647/senate-report-former-trump-ai
de-paul-manafort-shared-campaign-info-with-russia

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Wednesday, December 29, 2021 4:15 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

After years of reading YOUR posts, SECOND, I know for a fact that you're a liar, and deluded. You even apologized to me for repeatedly libeling me, remember?

Therefore, I'm superior to you, since I'm neither.

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Wednesday, December 29, 2021 4:46 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

BTW, the report is also delusional. There is a lot of technical info in the metadata indicating that the files were loaded to a USB drive by someone with legitimate access to the servers, not xfered across the inet.

The report is just politicized bullshit which ignores Crowdstrike' s testimony, AND THE EVIDENCE, pointing in another direction.

Establishment GOP and Democrats are trying to pre-emptively smear Trump - I see it in the M$Mand even in the Financial Times and other foreign establishment papers - bc they're terrified that if Trump runs, he'll win, again.

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Wednesday, December 29, 2021 7:07 PM

JAYNEZTOWN

Covid-19 Deaths under Biden Surpass Deaths during Trump Administration
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/covid-19-deaths-under-biden-surp
ass-deaths-during-trump-administration/

Biden has overseen 400,000 COVID deaths. By his own logic, he should resign.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/biden-overseen-400-000-covid-130158302.html

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Cases

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USA 53,791,000+
India 34,799,691
Brazil 22,246,276

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
401,000+ Americans have died from COVID-19 since President Joe Biden took office and promised to "shut down the virus."
https://freebeacon.com/coronavirus/biden-covid-death-tracker/

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 6:53 AM

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BTW, the report is also delusional. There is a lot of technical info in the metadata indicating that the files were loaded to a USB drive by someone with legitimate access to the servers, not xfered across the inet.

The report is just politicized bullshit which ignores Crowdstrike' s testimony, AND THE EVIDENCE, pointing in another direction.

Establishment GOP and Democrats are trying to pre-emptively smear Trump - I see it in the M$Mand even in the Financial Times and other foreign establishment papers - bc they're terrified that if Trump runs, he'll win, again.

Signym, you didn't click any links because it is too much work. It is easier to make stuff up for you. For Trump, making stuff up is also easy, including about covid-19, but there are no subjects he can't speak about for endless hours without preparation.

The links on RUSSIAN ACTIVE MEASURES CAMPAIGNS AND INTERFERENCE IN THE 2016 U.S. ELECTION are in one handy place:
https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/publications/report-select-committ
ee-intelligence-united-states-senate-russian-active-measures

Trump had many words to say about that, without any need for preparation.

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 8:38 AM

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Trump retweeted that Covid-19 was a big hoax in July 2020.

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The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most ,that we are told to trust. I think it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I'm sick of it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/507011-trump-retweets-game
-show-host-who-said-cdc-is-lying-about-coronavirus

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 8:59 AM

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Got quotes and links for that?

Yeah. This entire thread, and the one you created before it.

Go fetch, doggie.

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 9:00 AM

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Trump retweeted that Covid-19 was a big hoax in July 2020.
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The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most ,that we are told to trust. I think it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I'm sick of it.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/507011-trump-retweets-game
-show-host-who-said-cdc-is-lying-about-coronavirus

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The CDC did and still continues to lie about Covid.

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 9:27 AM

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Originally posted by second:
Trump retweeted that Covid-19 was a big hoax in July 2020.
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The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most ,that we are told to trust. I think it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I'm sick of it.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/507011-trump-retweets-game
-show-host-who-said-cdc-is-lying-about-coronavirus

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The CDC did and still continues to lie about Covid.

Trump was less moderate than you. In his version of the "Truth", everybody, not just the CDC, was lying. The Media was lying. The Democrats were lying. The Doctors were lying. Why were they lying? To stop Trump from being reelected. Everybody was lying except for Trump says Trump. Ever wonder where Trump learned the "Truth"? From European History!

A "big lie" with roots in history

In rallies across the country, Trump continues to hammer on the fiction that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from him.

Speaking at a rally in Georgia in September, Trump trumpeted his familiar, baseless claim that the election was "corrupt" and "rigged."

"I have no doubt that we won, and we won big," Trump said. "The headlines claiming that Biden won are fake news — and a very big lie."

A couple of weeks later, he repeated the fiction at a rally in Iowa. "We didn't lose," he insisted to a crowd that rewarded him with chants of "Trump won!"

By inverting the narrative, attempting to slough off the "big lie" and pin it instead on his opponents, Trump exploited an age-old tactic, says Yale University history professor Timothy Snyder.

"Part of the character of the 'big lie' is that it turns the powerful person into the victim," he says. "And then that allows the powerful person to actually exact revenge, like it's a promise for the future."

Snyder, author of the books The Road to Unfreedom and On Tyranny, has spent years studying the ways tyrants skewer truth. Snyder points to Hitler's original definition of the "big lie" in his manifesto, Mein Kampf and the ways he used it to blame Jews for all of Germany's woes.

"The lie is so big that it reorders the world," Snyder says. "And so part of telling the big lie is that you immediately say it's the other side that tells the big lie. Sadly, but it's just a matter of record, all of that is in Mein Kampf."

A lie that's become embedded in public opinion

Over the past year, Trump's lie that election fraud cost him the White House has become firmly anchored in public opinion.

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/23/1065277246/trump-big-lie-jan-6-election

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 9:35 AM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
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Originally posted by second:
Trump retweeted that Covid-19 was a big hoax in July 2020.
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The most outrageous lies are the ones about Covid 19. Everyone is lying. The CDC, Media, Democrats, our Doctors, not all but most ,that we are told to trust. I think it's all about the election and keeping the economy from coming back, which is about the election. I'm sick of it.
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/507011-trump-retweets-game
-show-host-who-said-cdc-is-lying-about-coronavirus

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

The CDC did and still continues to lie about Covid.
Trump was less moderate than you.

Nah.

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In his version of the "Truth", everybody, not just the CDC, was lying.

THE truth is that everybody was lying.

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The Media was lying.

Yup.

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The Democrats were lying.

Yup.

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The Doctors were lying.

Yup. Although plenty of doctors don't agree with the narrative, but they get banned from social media for it.

Didn't read the rest of your dumb bullshit.

I'm sure I've already heard it a thousand times before.

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 10:36 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

Didn't read the rest of your dumb bullshit.

I'm sure I've already heard it a thousand times before.

But have you heard Trump's "The River of Blood" story? Here it is:

Trump bought the course in Virginia — now renamed the Trump National Golf Club — back in 2009, and got to work getting it up to The Trump Standard. That included building a flagpole along the river complete with a plaque commemorating the "River of Blood," a dramatic name for a harrowing event that never happened. But the plaque begged to differ:

"Many great American soldiers, both of the North and South, died at this spot," the inscription reads. "The casualties were so great that the water would turn red and thus became known as 'The River of Blood.'"

This actually sounds like it was dictated by Trump, who in a phone interview with the Times called himself "a big history fan." Reporters from the paper told him they'd spoken with multiple local historians, all of whom said there was no Civil War battle within 11 miles of the plaque. The exchange that followed was quintessentially Trumpian:

"That was a prime site for river crossings," Mr. Trump said. "So, if people are crossing the river, and you happen to be in a civil war, I would say that people were shot — a lot of them."

People crossed there, so surely, if there was a war, people were shot while crossing. It just makes sense. But he continued:

"How would they know that?" Mr. Trump asked when told that local historians had called his plaque a fiction. "Were they there?"

How else could they know? It's not like there are writings and contemporary accounts from the time, and anyway, who would read them?

Mr. Trump repeatedly said that "numerous historians" had told him that the golf club site was known as the River of Blood. But he said he did not remember their names. Then he said the historians had spoken not to him but to "my people." But he refused to identify any underlings who might still possess the historians' names.

"Write your story the way you want to write it," Mr. Trump said finally, when pressed unsuccessfully for anything that could corroborate his claim. "You don't have to talk to anybody. It doesn't make any difference. But many people were shot. It makes sense."

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a54842/trump-civil-war-rive
r-of-blood/

Trump's The River of Blood (monument) in the Wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_River_of_Blood_(monument)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 2:25 PM

He's probably trolling you.

If Democrats can make up bullshit history like the 1619 Project, let's just all lie about history and make it whatever we want it to be.

Did we land on the moon? Who knows? Who gives a shit.

Did anything in the Bible actually happen? Who knows? Who gives a shit.

Did the Civil War really happen? Who knows? Who gives a shit.

Maybe it was really the River of Blood because that's where all the women went to bleed out before Earl Haas invented the tampon because he got tired of his wife bleeding all over everything.

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 2:34 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

The destruction of history is part of the globalist agenda. Whether it is destroying statues or making shit up, it's equally appalling. If you don't know what happened, you can never learn.

Studying history is like watching the media: you don't believe (or disbelieve) bc ppl "say so". You have to place it at a distance and try to figure out WHAT ACTUALLY happened/is happening. Part of that is judging the agenda of the people telling the stories ("cui bono?).

If you don't, you will be constantly adrift and caught by surprise by future events.

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 2:41 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

According to my nurses, the hospital is very short-staffed. Part of that is holiday vacations but part of that is an upsurge in "cases", mostly Omicron.

Nobody has been hospitalized, as far as they know, but being medical professionals with positive test results, they have to isolate at home. Of course, they mandate hand sanitizing and paper masks, but that doesn't seem to stop Omicron. For me, I still wear my N95s whenever I go out.

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 2:42 PM

We live in post-truth society. A lot of folk will tell you that this is a new phenomenon, but I'd wager that it's been going on for longer than most if not all of the oldest living people were first born.

There is no reason to believe that anything we learned in history class in school ever happened. Every 5 years the history books become completely unrecognizable to the high school class that came before them. Sure, it's gotten completely out of hand in recent times, but this is nothing new. And what does it really matter at all if the history you were taught when you were in school was just a bunch of made up bullshit anyhow?

History is something that we are all doomed to repeat on an infinite loop.

TPTB are fully aware of this, because they made it so.

And don't trick yourself into thinking for a second that those days are over because we have so much video footage of things today.

We see everyday how easy it is for that to be erased if it's against the current narrative.

And with deep fake technology becoming so believable, you're not even going to be able to tell lies from reality on any of the video footage you watch.

We may already be at that point now.

Look at what some talented people can do to footage from their basements:

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 2:47 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Well, if you look at the Bible or any of the Sacred Texts, I guess you can say "post truth" has been going on for Millenia! OUR sacred texts happen to be the M$M, TV shows, and social media! They tell us what is happening, what our society looks like, what is important... all (mostly) falsely, I'm afraid.

It is a rare person indeed who tries to look beyond that.

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 2:51 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
The destruction of history is part of the globalist agenda. Whether it is destroying statues or making shit up, it's equally appalling. If you don't know what happened, you can never learn.

Studying history is like watching the media: you don't believe (or disbelieve) bc ppl "say so". You have to place it at a distance and try to figure out WHAT ACTUALLY happened/is happening. Part of that is judging the agenda of the people telling the stories ("cui bono?).

If you don't, you will be constantly adrift and caught by surprise by future events.

Globalist agenda? That was a hilarious misdirection, Signym. Your so-called "destruction of history" is a very simpleminded process: “Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'” - Isaac Asimov

There are many more quotes about anti-intellectualism at
https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/tag/anti-intellectualism but here are two relevant to Covid-19:

“Celebrities and influencers are not health experts, stop taking medical advice from halfwits of wellness.”

“Stop being a two-bit doctor from ten minutes of googling.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 2:52 PM

The irony of Second calling anything anti-intellectualism.

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 3:13 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The irony of Second calling anything anti-intellectualism.

For my entire life, going all the way back to Republican cheerleaders of the Vietnam War in my own family, I've heard people who are absolutely certain that they are knowledgeable and know "The Truth". They know nothing; nothing at all. Over many years I've learned that the less someone knows, and the less successful they are, especially Trump voters, the more certain they are in their own brilliance and wisdom. They really do think they know but reality isn't backing their high opinion of themselves and their tiny accomplishments.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 3:19 PM

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The irony of Second calling anything anti-intellectualism.
For my entire life, going all the way back to Republican cheerleaders of the Vietnam War in my own family, I've heard people who are absolutely certain that they are knowledgeable and know "The Truth". They know nothing; nothing at all.

The problem is that you don't know anything either but refuse to acknowledge it.

We'll make great pets.

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 3:20 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
The irony of Second calling anything anti-intellectualism.
For my entire life, going all the way back to Republican cheerleaders of the Vietnam War in my own family,

Did ou miss the Johnson years? He escalated the war. Nixon ended it. Can't help you if you jumped in on a lost cause bc you listened to out-of-touch ppl. You were pretty out-of-touch too.
Heck, I'm younger than you and even I knew, at my young, stupider age, that Vietnam was a pointless clusterfuck. Bc for all I could tell, it had no resources and no strategic / shipping relevance. The whole of SE Asia could go commie, as far as I could tell. Geography. All I needed to do was look at a map

SE Asia was just a CIA base for opium production, same as Afghanistan.
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heard people who are absolutely certain that they are knowledgeable and know "The Truth". They know nothing; nothing at all. Over many years I've learned that the less someone knows, and the less successful they are, especially Trump voters,
Have you checked in with JO? Any idea how "successful" THUGR, TWITCHY and ROOMBA really are? THEY were awfully sure about everything! So sure, some were willing to kill those they disagreed with!
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the more certain they are in their own brilliance and wisdom. They really do think they know but reality isn't backing their high opinion of themselves and their tiny accomplishments.

Same applies to you, bud. You lie, cheat, and steal.

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 3:58 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Back to the OT:

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T-Cells "Minimize" Damage Caused By Omicron, Studies Show
by Tyler Durden
Thursday, Dec 30, 2021 - 12:20 PM

Two new studies - one from Erasmus University in the Netherlands and one from the University of Cape Town in South Africa - have just reminded humanity that our antibodies aren't the last line of defense against COVID, and its newest variant, omicron.

Both have confirmed that T-cells, what Bloomberg describes as the body's weapon against every virus-infected cell, have shown a surprising ability to defend against omicron.

The report goes on to explain that T-cells are the reason why mortality hasn't increased alongside the advent of omicron: with or without vaccines, the human body still has a tool in its toolkit to suppress viruses like these. The T-cell's most critical attribute, when it comes to fighting viruses, is that they target the whole of the spike protein that viruses use to bind with human cells. Because of this, mutations that impact the spike protein (omicron was said to have 50 pertinent mutations in that department) won't help it evade the T-cell response.

For their study, the Dutch researchers looked at 60 vaccinated health-care workers and found that while their antibody responses to omicron were lower or nonexistent (compared with the beta or delta), their T cell responses were largely unaltered and still potent, "potentially balancing the lack of neutralizing antibodies in preventing or limiting severe Covid-19," according to the study.

The other study, from the University of Cape Town’s Institute of Infectious Disease and Molecular Medicine, looked at recovered COVID patients, and those who had been vaccinated with the Pfizer or J&J jabs.

While antibodies didn't fare well, they found that 70% to 80% of the T-cell responses were able to suppress omicron.

Vaccines are helpful in that they help induce a T-cell response to the virus, according to the Dutch researchers. Overall, these results demonstrate that vaccination and infection induce a robust CD4 and CD8 T-cell response that largely cross-reacts with omicron, consistent with recent work from our laboratory and others on limited T-cell escape by Beta, Delta and other variants..."

The Dutch summarized the data from their study in a pair of figures, presented below:

Readers can find the Dutch study below courtesy of medrxiv:

5.3.6 Postmarketing Experience by Joseph Adinolfi Jr. on Scribd

Here's something to think about, dear reader, as the people in charge try to solve a problem with more of the same (ie more bosters for the already-boosted): immune protection has several layers. While antibodies block infection, T-cells kill infected cells, preventing the virus from spreading and causing more damage. Wendy Burgens, one of the authors of the University of Cape Town study, wrote on her Twitter account Virus Monologues. "They can’t prevent you from getting infected, but they can minimize the damage that comes afterwards," she said.

That's something to keep in mind.

Links to original sources here

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/t-cells-minimize-damage-caused-omicr
on-studies-show

There is much,much more to the immune system than "antigens". If anybody had bothered to listen to Chris Martenson's videos when SARS-Cov2 first reared its ugly head, they would know that. Altho Dr Martenson runs a financial website -originally dedicated to the concept of "peak [cheap] oil" his PhD is actually in pathology, and he explained a lot of basic concepts very well, including T-Cells etc.

Also, the role of HCQ as preventative and early treatment antiviral, and Ivermectin as early treatment antiviral. He also ripped to shreds an "official" anti-HCQ published in The Lancet which was full of obviously faked data, which was later retracted.
Since I used to review our raw data, as well as raw data and reports from other labs, I kind of geeked out on his reviews.

It IS possible to get to the truth, but it requires digging.

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 4:36 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Meanwhile, in the UK as latest daily "new cases" soar to twice as much as the previous peak, "new deaths" are DROPPING. Of course, given the two-week lag time, need to recheck then.

But Britain setting up "field hospitals"? Seems like a publicity stunt by BoJo, the PM who may be facing a "no confidence" vote by his own party soon.

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 6:04 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Did ou miss the Johnson years? He escalated the war. Nixon ended it. Can't help you if you jumped in on a lost cause bc you listened to out-of-touch ppl. You were pretty out-of-touch too.
Heck, I'm younger than you and even I knew, at my young, stupider age, that Vietnam was a pointless clusterfuck. Bc for all I could tell, it had no resources and no strategic / shipping relevance. The whole of SE Asia could go commie, as far as I could tell. Geography. All I needed to do was look at a map

SE Asia was just a CIA base for opium production, same as Afghanistan.

Let me keep it simple for you. I live in exactly the same county in Texas, Harris, since 1965 and have known the same people all my life. The pro-Vietnam War Texans were “Democrats” in name only. There was absolutely nothing about them that is recognizable Democrat at all. Confusingly, they were calling themselves “Democrats” only because of the Civil War. They voted for Nixon in 1968 and again in 1972. LBJ, being a Texan, went into Vietnam to please these Texans, but that was political foolishness on his part. Since LBJ had displeased Texans on everything else, he should have just displeased them on Vietnam, too. These Texans which LBJ was trying to please eventually started calling themselves Republicans or, more often, Independents, but their politics and beliefs about government and race and women and immigration and killing foreign civilians and every subject imaginable has always been pure Confederate. That is not a compliment. They have not done well financially or spiritually or professionally or maritally or any other way since they stopped being nominally “Democrats” and they hate real Democrats and blame them for everything that has gone bad in their personal lives. Very much like the crazy Confederates hated Lincoln and the Republicans, the 2021 crazy Confederates hate Biden and Democrats, and for the same reasons – their beliefs are crazy, they believe themselves superior, they aren’t doing well and they have to blame that failure, absolutely have to, on somebody other than themselves.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM: Same applies to you, bud. You lie, cheat, and steal.

Always, these Neo-Confederates from Texas say that successful people lie, cheat, and steal to get ahead. Always. It is a weird mental tick they have. Apparently, Signym has the same twitchy mind.

Getting obliquely back to Covid-19:

London, 1940. Night falls, and darkness takes a city that would normally blaze with electric lights, for the danger of Nazi air raids has united the city in a blackout.

Homeowner: "I won't live in fear. The PM doesn't control me. I've turned on every light I own and put a lighthouse beacon I bought on my roof. Take that, Tyranny. Make Britain Great Again."

Nazi bombs: Obliterate that dude's house and the surrounding 5 blocks.

That dude: "This must be the communists targeting me for being a lion, not a sheep."

https://imgur.com/gallery/LrYAEb8

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, December 30, 2021 7:31 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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SIGNYM:

Did ou miss the Johnson years? He escalated the war. Nixon ended it. Can't help you if you jumped in on a lost cause bc you listened to out-of-touch ppl. You were pretty out-of-touch too.
Heck, I'm younger than you and even I knew, at my young, stupider age, that Vietnam was a pointless clusterfuck. Bc for all I could tell, it had no resources and no strategic / shipping relevance. The whole of SE Asia could go commie, as far as I could tell. Geography. All I needed to do was look at a map

SE Asia was just a CIA base for opium production, same as Afghanistan.

SECOND: Let me keep it simple for you.... blah blah blah... their politics and beliefs about government and race and women and immigration and killing foreign civilians and every subject imaginable has always been pure Liberal. That is not a compliment. They have not done well financially or spiritually or professionally or maritally or any other way since they adopted nutty cultural Marxism and they hate real Americans and blame them for everything that has gone bad in their personal lives.

You, ROOMBA, TWITCHY, THUGR, AND JO753 are prime examples

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Very much like the crazy librals hated Nixon and Republicans, the 2021 crazy liberaloids hate Trump and Republicans, and for the same reasons – their beliefs are crazy, they believe themselves superior, they aren’t doing well and they have to blame that failure, absolutely have to, on somebody other than themselves.

Especially on "racism", "men", "white people" and anyone who doesn't follow their woke ideology.

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SIGNYM: Same applies to you, bud. You lie, cheat, and steal.

SECOND: Always, these critics say that successful people lie, cheat and steal to get ahead.

Not "successful people", SECOND. YOU YOU are a demonstrated liar. YOU blamed "rentier capitalism" for the wealth gap. YOU are the one blaming everything under the sun on "them"- Republicans. Trump supporters. Russians. Americans! Democracy. Rule of law.

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SECOND: It is a weird mental tick I have.

Yes YOU are the nutcase railing against everthing else to shift the blame from your own stupidity.

Everything you post about "them" applies to you and your equally nutty friends.
It's that simple.

Fixed it for you!

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Friday, December 31, 2021 1:53 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

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Go fetch, doggie.

You mean you can't even find your own posts, SUX?

Just like all of the other bullshit you've posted for years, saying something a million times doesn't make it true.

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Friday, December 31, 2021 3:25 AM

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.

The ZH links look scrambled.

Here's the preprint Dutch study.

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.27.21268416v1
This study shows that vaccinated individuals retain T-cell immunity to the SARS-CoV-2 Omicron variant, potentially balancing the lack of neutralizing antibodies in preventing or limiting severe COVID-19. Booster vaccinations may be needed to further restore Omicron cross-neutralization by antibodies.

It indicates that boosters improve antibody and/ or T-cell responses.

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... neutralization of Omicron was observed or restored in all boosted individuals ... An increase in S-specific T-cells was also observed after booster vaccination of mRNA-1273(Moderna)-primed participants.

And here's the preprint SA study.

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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.26.21268380v1
These results demonstrate that despite Omicron's extensive mutations and reduced susceptibility to neutralizing antibodies, the majority of T cell response, induced by vaccination or natural infection, cross-recognises the variant. Well-preserved T cell immunity to Omicron is likely to contribute to protection from severe COVID-19, supporting early clinical observations from South Africa.
Overall, these results demonstrate that vaccination and infection induce a robust CD4 and CD8 T cell response that largely cross-reacts with Omicron, consistent with recent work from our laboratory and others on limited T cell escape by Beta, Delta and other variants. Despite extensive neutralization escape against Omicron, 70-80% of the T cell response is preserved. The limited effect of Omicron’s mutations on the T cell response suggests that vaccination or prior infection may still provide substantial protection from severe disease.

It indicates infection and vaccination both create T-cell immunity.

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Friday, December 31, 2021 8:22 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
SIGNYM:

Did ou miss the Johnson years? He escalated the war. Nixon ended it. Can't help you if you jumped in on a lost cause bc you listened to out-of-touch ppl. You were pretty out-of-touch too.
Heck, I'm younger than you and even I knew, at my young, stupider age, that Vietnam was a pointless clusterfuck. Bc for all I could tell, it had no resources and no strategic / shipping relevance. The whole of SE Asia could go commie, as far as I could tell. Geography. All I needed to do was look at a map

SE Asia was just a CIA base for opium production, same as Afghanistan.

SECOND: Let me keep it simple for you.... blah blah blah... their politics and beliefs about government and race and women and immigration and killing foreign civilians and every subject imaginable has always been pure Liberal. That is not a compliment. They have not done well financially or spiritually or professionally or maritally or any other way since they adopted nutty cultural Marxism and they hate real Americans and blame them for everything that has gone bad in their personal lives.
You, ROOMBA, TWITCHY, THUGR, AND JO753 are prime examples
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Very much like the crazy librals hated Nixon and Republicans, the 2021 crazy liberaloids hate Trump and Republicans, and for the same reasons – their beliefs are crazy, they believe themselves superior, they aren’t doing well and they have to blame that failure, absolutely have to, on somebody other than themselves.
Especially on "racism", "men", "white people" and anyone who doesn't follow their woke ideology.

Quote:
SIGNYM: Same applies to you, bud. You lie, cheat, and steal.

SECOND: Always, these critics say that successful people lie, cheat and steal to get ahead.
Not "successful people", SECOND. YOU YOU are a demonstrated liar. YOU blamed "rentier capitalism" for the wealth gap. YOU are the one blaming everything under the sun on "them"- Republicans. Trump supporters. Russians. Americans! Democracy. Rule of law.
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SECOND: It is a weird mental tick I have.

Yes YOU are the nutcase railing against everthing else to shift the blame from your own stupidity.

Everything you post about "them" applies to you and your equally nutty friends.
It's that simple.

Fixed it for you!

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake

Take any famous Antebellum Confederate and time travel them instantaneously to now. They come from a culture that functions well enough for themselves. They would wish to spread their "American" culture to the entire world. They would carry their culture from the 19th Century with them into the future. They would have their same old beliefs that were never defeated by the Civil War, beliefs that live today in the minds of Trump voters. I know these people. They are my neighbors. I have read the history of the Confederacy and I can see the Confederate inheritance in action today. The 19th Century Confederates would fit right in, after they learn the iPhone operating system, with Trump loving voters and would hate the same things that Trump lovers hate, including the Democrats and Federal government as it now is.

By the way, there are states that did not join the Confederacy, Tennessee and Kentucky, that shared all the beliefs of Confederates, but didn't go to war. In reality, very few Confederates, as a percent of the population, went to war, yet they shared the same beliefs with the more energetic warriors. With them voting in the 21st Century, they can certainly vote America back into 19th Century. The Neo-Confederates learned a lesson from the Old Confederates that controlling the Federal government can only be done if you don't withdraw from the Union. It has become obvious to the Neo-Confederates that voting is more powerful than withdrawing and sulking that their Confederate values are disrespected by Democrats and the rest of the Free World.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, December 31, 2021 9:10 AM

OMG shut up dude.

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Friday, December 31, 2021 9:39 AM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
OMG shut up dude.

I never talk to poor white trash Trump voters about the Confederate ideas living and breeding inside their heads. Nevertheless, the Confederacy continues on inside Trump voters, even down to saying that they are NOT racists. The Confederates said they were NOT racists, too, because they were better than their slaves.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

https://getcomics.info/other-comics/firefly-35-2021/

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Friday, December 31, 2021 10:05 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

SECOND: Take any 90's "moderate" Clintonite. Time-travel them to today. They would want to translate their culture, which worked well for them, to today: Centralization. Big daddy government. Globalization. Financialism let loose. Regime change wars. Add a ginormous pile of FDR-style deficit spending and low-low interest rates for the wealthy. Corruption at high levels. Identity politics. Blaming "the system" for personal failures.

Hmmm.. seems about the same. Both ideologically hidebound and in denial of reality.

You blame ppl for having unchanging beliefs, and yet you are the prime example of unchanging beliefs.
You only see, harp about, and react to one side bc it reinforces your belief.
Get out of TX.
See how well those liberaloids are faring in their personal lives.
Stop harping about something that's 200 years old.
Or, in your case, beliefs that were set 50 years ago.
Get over yourself, for god's sake.

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Friday, December 31, 2021 10:08 AM

Democrats are the racists.

The blacks and Latinos are finally figuring that out and leaving you in droves.

Good luck in 2022. All you'll have left in November is the rich white idiots.

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Friday, December 31, 2021 10:14 AM

P.S. One of the biggest differences in the Democrat and Republican parties is that Republican's haven't let the fringe racist element on their side run the party, and has done a great job over the last 3 or 4 decades relegating them firmly on the sidelines and burying them in dirt.

Democrats, on the other hand, embraced, emboldened and elevated the fringe racist element on their side on platforms, and they now run the party.

Quite a few missteps in that plan though, however.

The biggest two I can think of?

1. The hubris in assuming that black people were Democrat cattle and would always vote Democrat despite the fact that they get nothing out of it (best case scenario).

2. Lumping Latinos in under the branding of POC (People of Color) and then assuming that LEGAL Latino citizens were on board with open boarders and amnesty for all ILLEGAL Aliens.

Democrats are done. For a long, long time. These were fatal mistakes. Especially losing the Latino vote which was always assumed to be a sure thing in the Democrat party.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Saturday, January 1, 2022 8:38 AM

Another critic of the vaccine booted off of Twitter. This time one of the guys responsible for making RNA vaccine technology.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/twitter-suspends-key-mrna-vaccine-contri
butor-dr-robert-malone_4183968.html

This is looking worse everyday for everyone who got vaccinated. Especially anybody who wanted to have kids.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Saturday, January 1, 2022 8:57 AM

LOL

You'd better run out and get that booster that does nothing for you since the vaccination you got does nothing for you.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/us-coronavirus-americans-may-be-face
d-with-a-different-reality-in-january-as-covid-19-sweeps-through-the-nation-experts-warn/ar-AASkCgm?li=BBnb7Kz

Biden's terrible economy looks like it's only going to get worse as everybody catches a cold in January.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Saturday, January 1, 2022 9:02 AM

The Atlantic cries over the NBA and NFL backing off over their mandates.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/12/nba-nfl-surrendered-
vaccine-refusers-kyrie-irving/621142/

Great news for those brave enough to stand up to it. Sad news for all of the players that did not want to do it but weren't brave enough to take a stand against tyranny.

Kneeling before games wasn't stunning and brave. Everyone who did it was blown by the media.

Refusing the vaccine was stunning and brave.

They are heroes.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Saturday, January 1, 2022 11:34 AM

Why I'm Pro Vaccine, but Anti Vaccine Mandate

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/why-i-m-pro-vaccine-but-anti-vaccine
-mandate-opinion/ar-AAS1eef

Ryan T. Anderson is president of the Ethics and Public Policy Center and founding editor of the Public Discourse.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

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Saturday, January 1, 2022 11:36 AM