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Monday, May 21, 2012 3:32 PM

AURAPTOR

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Florida voter rolls suspected of having roughly 53K dead, 2,600 ineligible

TAMPA, Fla. – Florida's local election supervisors on Wednesday sounded skeptical, and even distrustful, of a push by the state to remove thousands of potential non-U.S. citizens from the voting rolls just months before the critical 2012 elections.

The supervisors, meeting at their annual summer conference, peppered state election officials with questions about the list of more than 2,600 people who have been identified as being in Florida legally but ineligible to vote. That list was sent to supervisors recently, but state officials have also said there may be as many as 182,000 registered voters who may not be citizens.

The questions about voter eligibility surface as the state continues its months-long efforts to scrub the rolls, including asking supervisors to remove more than 53,000 dead people discovered by comparing voter rolls to federal Social Security files. This was the first time the state checked the files. It was allowed under a controversial election law that passed the GOP-controlled Legislature last year.



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/05/17/florida-voter-rolls-suspect
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Monday, May 21, 2012 6:50 PM

AURAPTOR

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It's funny because it seems to be true.



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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:17 AM

M52NICKERSON

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Seeing as there are over 11 million registered voters in Florida those numbers are not bad. That's less than 1%.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 2:10 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by m52nickerson:
Seeing as there are over 11 million registered voters in Florida those numbers are not bad. That's less than 1%.



Oh, absolutely. And you know what they say in Chicago? A clean election is where the dead only vote once.




Ask AlGore about having an extra 1% of voters, go his way, and see if that's something he'd have been interested in , back in 2000.

And if you look at the # of LIKELY voters, not just registered voters, then that figure is even higher.



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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:18 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


Im actually with Rap on this one, Florida is totally Fucked Up.

Everything we do, we do with the intent of being as far from what makes sense as possible.

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:07 AM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by AURaptor:


Ask AlGore about having an extra 1% of voters, go his way, and see if that's something he'd have been interested in , back in 2000.




Well, since he actually won the popular vote and the Supreme Court sElected Bush anyway, I don't know that another 1%, 10% or 100% would have really helped...



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:13 AM

BLUEHANDEDMENACE


Bush won that election fair and square, 5 to 4.

My vote was never counted, thanks to Kathleen Harris primarily. I was in college at the time, and the disillusion and disgust that I felt with my country's broken political apparatus will stay with me til the day I die.

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 4:48 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


blog post/ editorial over on Slate-- Scott Brown of Wisconsin on the same topic.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2012/05/21/scott_walker_voter_fraud_
is_worth_one_or_two_points_in_wisconsin.html


Are Republicans exaggerating a possible problem with no or little proof?

How many of those dead people on the Florida rolls ACTUALLY cast votes.?

TO vote in person in California, you have to show up at the polling place and actually SIGN the book-- seems I remember when the R's here were pushing permanent absentee ballot status: once you were on that list, you could get sent a ballot for eternity, vote and sign it at home , then mail it in. Or if you were dead or incapacitated, somebody else could do it for you without ever being checked.

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:00 AM

STORYMARK


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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:

Are Republicans exaggerating a possible problem with no or little proof?




In this case, a bit early to say. But it's highly likely.

But they are a tad prone to doing so overall. Just take the latest James O'Keefe videos for example - in which he exposes a couple "illegals" voting.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/latest-james-okeefe-video-non-citizens
-voting-in-north-carolina
/

Except, it turns out the people he went after have been citizens for decades. Granted, those right-wing sites who ran the video did not run corrections or follow-up once that bit of news came out.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/17/james-okeefe-voter-fraud-vide
o_n_1524146.html


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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:06 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!


In Florida the largest problem right now is the 53K dead still on the voter roll. Most of those can be cleared up pretty easy by looking at dead certificates in the state. This is kind of yearly maintenance.

Even if some dead stay on the rolls, you would not have to have hundreds of people case votes for them to effect an election. Not realistic at all. More so when Florida makes you present yours Driver’s License or ID to vote. If not you get a provisional ballet which has to be verified later.


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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:10 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Nick, I agree. There is NO logical reason to limit American citizens' right to vote, especially not to target groups who should have all the HELP they can in casting their vote, not be denied that right. It's been proven over and over and OVER that actual VOTER fraud (not registration fraud) is so infintesimal that it's not worth worrying about; FAR more serious is voter suppression, which still goes on even without those new laws, and which has always been aimed at specific groups of the population.

I had a friend who was living in Florida, then moved to Illinois but still had friends in Florida. The horror stories she told me about the '08 election were enough to open my eyes; road blocks in Black communities to keep people from getting to the polls, entire stacks of "missing" votes, intimidation of Black voters...it was all happening that night, people were on the phone telling her about them, and none of it ever got serious coverage. Voting suppression in this country has FAR outweighed any kind of voter fraud throughout our history, and it's virtually always been aimed at minority voters.

The GOP, when they're honest, are quite frank about it:
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"I don't want everybody to vote," the influential conservative activist Paul Weyrich told a gathering of evangelical leaders in 1980. "As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
I won't get into the 2000 election, lest I be called a conspiracy nut, but the fact that it took a right-wing Supreme Court to stop the recount and declare for Bush should be sufficient.

These new laws could, and WILL, affect millions:
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At a minimum, nine states with 91 electoral votes, or one-third of the 270 needed to win the presidency will be affected, most significantly, Florida, with 29 electoral votes.
By the way, it's not just voting they've gone after; they've passed laws so ridiculously strict on voter REGISTRATION that groups which have registered voters, legally and properly, have given up the effort. There's a new state law makes it a felony if third party voter registrations efforts do not return applications to election officials within 48 hours, with stiff penalties for lateness. This led to
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the end of voter registration work by one organization, the League of Women Voters, whose spokesperson said, "Despite the fact that the League of Women Voters is one of the nation’s most respected civic organizations, with a 91-year history of registering and educating voters, we will be unable to comply with the egregious provisions contained in [this bill]."Wiki
New voter registration suppression tactics include limiting when citizens can register, restricting who is permitted to help them, and implementing tougher bureaucratic requirements to register. In some states now, there are laws requiring residents to prove their citizenship BEFORE registering, by presenting ONLY a birth certificate or passport!

Changes in residency requirements are another tactic, and Maine was downright blatant about it:
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In September 2011 Maine’s secretary of state sent a threatening letter to hundreds of college students who were legally registered to vote in the state, implying that many of them were in violation of election law and suggesting they correct this by unregistering in Maine. The list of college students targeted for this letter came directly from the Maine Republican Party Chairman.
It goes directly against the Supreme Court’s decision in Symm v. United States, establishing that states cannot place obstacles unique to college students between those students and their right to vote.

In one state the disabled cannot register voters, which is mind-boggling; just because one is in a wheelchair, one cannot register voters? Talk about discrimination!!

They've curtailed early voting in a number of states, and in some have even gone so far as to ban voting on the Sunday before the election—a day when black churches historically mobilize their constituents. It goes on and on, and the number of American citizens who will lose their constitutional right to vote does and will FAR outweigh any puny voter fraud numbers...which numbers have histocially been pathetically small in the first place. There is no excuse, and everyone knows why it's being done. It's an effort ONLY the right has been engaged in for years.

Now they're trying to do it again, with LEGAL tactics right out in the open which will disenfranchise millions of legitimate voters. Smoke come out my ears when I think about it.


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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 5:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Yeah, NewOld, I'm grateful, yet again, that I live here. We can vote by mail; we got ours a couple of weeks ago for this Summer's primary, and mine's already gone in. Thank gawd for Crazy California!

Blue, my sympathies for living in Florida, in so many ways it is the epitome of wrongness, not only in voting. For such a gorgeous state, it's a shame its politics have become so crazy.

I forgot about voter intimidation; the DOJ was looking into one blatant example:
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Poll watchers in Harris County, Texas -- where a Tea Party group launched an aggressive anti-voter fraud effort -- were accused of "hovering over" voters, "getting into election workers' faces" and blocking or disrupting lines of voters who were waiting to cast their ballots as early voting got underway yesterday.

"We've gotten a number of reports -- quite a few out of the Houston area -- that poll watchers, King Street Patriot training poll watchers, are following a voter after they've checked them out and stand right behind them," lawyer Chad Dunn said. There's at least a dozen reports that they could confirm with witnesses, he said. "Interestingly, it's all in the polling places in Hispanic and African-American areas," he added.

Texas has been especially good at this stuff. In another instance,
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Non-existent "Black Democratic Trust of Texas" distributed fliers telling voters not to vote "straight ticket Democratic" because "it is actually voting for Republicans." ABC affiliate KTRK reported on October 27 that misleading fliers were handed out and left on windshields at a predominantly African-American polling place in Houston. The fliers read:
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Republicans are trying to trick us! When you vote straight ticket Democratic, it is actually voting for Republicans and your vote doesn't count. We are urging everyone to VOTE for BILL WHITE. A VOTE for BILL WHITE is a VOTE for the ENTIRE DEMOCRATIC ticket. We have fought too hard to let Republicans use voting machines to deny us our basic rights. We must guard the change andNOT VOTE STRAIGHT TICKET DEMOCRAT!"
"Democratic Trust of Texas" does not exist.

In another Texas town,
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Elderly voters complained they were harassed by "two unidentified white women" who came to their homes in Bowie County to interrogate them about their mail-in ballot applications. The article describes the women as "middle-aged, local Republican activists who had accessed publicly available information about which voters had requested mail-in ballots":
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The complaint claims that the women showed up unannounced this week at the home of 78-year-old Willard Wherry, of Dekalb, who had voted by mail. The pair proceeded to grill Wherry about who had helped him to fill out his mail-in ballot, repeatedly questioning whether anyone had showed up at his home to assist him. "We are just trying to be sure no one is trying to coax someone to vote," one of the woman said, according to Hebert's complaint.

The women then went to a local senior citizens center to question whether five residents had received improper assistance in voting, as well as the home of L.E. Bohannon, a 79-year-old African American voter from DeKalb, the complaint says: "Then they pulled out a copy of form with his signature on it and they asked if that was his signature. They asked him who helped him fill out the form." Molly Beth Malcolm, a local Democratic consultant, spoke directly with some of the alleged victims and claims the incidents are racially discriminatory. "They're not going around to older Anglos, but the African-American community," she says.


Texas isn't alone, of course. In Chicago:
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On October 8, WLS-TV in Chicago reported that Mark Kirk, GOP senatorial candidate in Illinois, was secretly recorded telling state Republican leaders that he had hired a "voter integrity squad" to concentrate on four regions that are populated by large numbers of African-American voters. According to WLS-TV, Kirk said, "These are lawyers and other people that will be deployed in key, vulnerable precincts, for example, South and West sides of Chicago, Rockford, Metro East/" Kirk was not aware he was being taped at the time. The Kirk campaign later confirmed that the congressman made the remarks, for which he was widely criticized.
It's there, it's real, and while both sides have engaged in it, the GOP's far ahead in their efforts, and the new voter-suppression laws are unprecedented (well, since the days of Jim Crow laws, of course). Their efforts will disenfranchise MILLIONS of American voters, far more than ANY amount of voter fraud ever perpetrated.


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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:08 AM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


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Originally posted by Niki2:
Yeah, NewOld, I'm grateful, yet again, that I live here. We can vote by mail; we got ours a couple of weeks ago for this Summer's primary, and mine's already gone in. Thank gawd for Crazy California!



Actually, Niki, I'm opposed to it. I think, barring certain very limited cases of medical disability, or absentee ballot because of long-planned travel outside their district, a voter should have to put up with the inconvenience of having to show up, in person, ON Election Day, wait in line and sign the book, thereby proving that they were there, that they are who they say they are, and making fraud easier to prove and harder to commit. I am leery of voter ID laws, because of the people who advocate them and their transparent partisan motivation, and because of the interpretation that any cost associated with an ID for voting purposes is a poll tax. But I do almost think they are a good idea, and almost not a serious burden on the voter.

I also oppose same day registration and "motor-voter" registration-- a voter should be able to prove that he is a resident of a particular district for a certain period of time in advance of the election: and if you move, re-registering to vote should be as ordinary as turning on the utilities at the new address, changing your address in the mail, and on your driver's license, tax forms and bank accounts.

I realize that there are exceptions to all of these cases, and that reasonable people may differ in their opinions on these matters. Personally, I think , that the Repubs are making way too much about way too little.

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:22 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...


Personally, I believe the GOP is following its usual course; attempting to curtail the voting rights of specific classes of citizens who they believe won't vote for them.

I certainly understand your feelings about vote by mail and motor-voter. It's my opinion that actual voter fraud is so miniscule (as proven repeatedly) that it's unimportant, while voter SUPPRESSION has robbed many Americans of their Constitutional rights, and that voting should be made as EASY as possible for all Americans. We can respectfully agree to disagree on that one. ;o)



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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 8:15 AM

AURAPTOR

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Originally posted by Kwicko:
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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Ask AlGore about having an extra 1% of voters, go his way, and see if that's something he'd have been interested in , back in 2000.




Well, since he actually won the popular vote and the Supreme Court sElected Bush anyway, I don't know that another 1%, 10% or 100% would have really helped...>



Really? Let's see how many different ways you're wrong here.

1. Presidents aren't chosen by 'popular vote'. So the claim that Gore won the popular vote, is specious, and irrelevant.

2. The Supreme Court " selected " no one. It merely held to the rule of law. Seems you have a problem w/ that, which is why you think the popular vote is the way Presidents are elected. They aren't. Never have been.

3. Another 1,10 or ,( seriously, you're gonna go with that ? ) 100 % for Gore in FL wouldn't have changed anything ? Had Gore won FL, he'd have taken all the electoral delegates, and thus would have won the election.

Sad that a grown man like you STILL doesn't comprehend a grade school civics lesson on how Presidents are elected.



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" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, May 22, 2012 1:47 PM

KWICKO

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)


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Originally posted by BLUEHANDEDMENACE:
Bush won that election fair and square, 5 to 4.

My vote was never counted, thanks to Kathleen Harris primarily. I was in college at the time, and the disillusion and disgust that I felt with my country's broken political apparatus will stay with me til the day I die.




Exactly - you can win the presidency of the entire country by only getting five votes.



"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero


"I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy

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Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:30 PM

RIONAEIRE

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There has to be a way to make sure that people who are dead aren't voting, :) Someone can just go through each election and check or something can't they? It will create a couple of new positions at any rate.

I'm with Niki, vote by mail rocks! I can vote at home and no one has to read me my ballot or fill it in for me, I can do it myself and if I need to I can ask, or my family can ask me, if there's confusion about something, those bills are always worded rediculously, probably to trip up the Everyman. I always look at the "Yes vote= and NO vote =" section to figure out what will happen based on my vote. Thank goodness for vote by mail.

I assume you're my pal until you let me know otherwise.

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