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Monday, January 1, 2007 10:45 AM

INDEPENDENCESOLDIER


Okay, hypothetical question here. What if some station opted to pick up Firefly again (hope of all hopes), but on one condition. The whole cast had to be recasted. No Nathan, no Sean, no nobody. Completely new. Would you be able to watch it?

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Monday, January 1, 2007 10:51 AM

SIMONWHO


Yes. As much as I love the cast, it's the imagination behind the show that makes it. In fact, I was just watching Sports Night and realised that Josh Charles would have made an excellent Captain Reynolds.

I wouldn't want them to recast but as many movies have proven over the years (Hello Bobby!) you can have the best cast in the world and it doesn't mean a thing if the script isn't good.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 10:52 AM

EMBERS


don't worry about it - Joss would never agree to it.
In his most recent radio interview he said he can't write long extensive Firefly comic books because he cannot tell the stories without these actors.
He is holding out all his best stories for when he gets to make them with our BDHs.
So re-casting isn't an option

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Monday, January 1, 2007 10:55 AM

INDEPENDENCESOLDIER


I don't think I'd be able to watch it because I could not see anyone else as some of these characters. Who else is quirky enough to play Wash? Who can be stoic enough to pull off Simon or kick-ass enough for Zoe? These people made the parts, even though Nathan originally said that he didn't think he was Mal--he became him.

That's my take and thanks for your reassurance!

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Monday, January 1, 2007 11:00 AM

FISKMASEN


If that were to happend, the story couldn't be about our BDH's. Because, frankly, no-one else could play them. And if the story wouldn't be about our BDH's, it wouldn't be Firefly. So, in my opinion, no.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 11:00 AM

JLIN13


not ever, and i think that Joss would be smart enough to not accept that deal

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Monday, January 1, 2007 11:25 AM

CORNCOBB


Absolutely not, and I'll tell you for why. It'd seem to me like the station picking the show up was incapable of making good creative decisions. What possible reason could any station have for wanting everyone recast? Other than to replace them with trendier, toothier, vacuous, talentless, brainless twits. I could see a studio like f*x doing that in a misguided attempt to create something that'll appeal to the big brother generation. No Thank You.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 11:32 AM

FIZZIX


I would watch it, but I might not enjoy it. Since this is purely hypothetical, it doesn't matter whether or not Joss says yes. Because it happened, I'd watch it, and hopefully Joss'd hop on board, and it'd be all good and warm and fuzzy and well written!

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Monday, January 1, 2007 11:39 AM

CHOO1701


It just wou;dn;t be Firefly without the BDH's.

Although could i pose another question to the floor?

What about a Spin Off?

Serenity's one of THOUSANDS of Firefly classes, thus meaning the crews one of Millions, possibly billions of Verse residents who live on their own spaceship, wouldn't it be good to hear some of their stories as well.

Okay Joss HAS ruled it out, and also it might cause bad feelings among the Browncoats (like the whole "Mike/Joel" MST3K flame war), but isn't it another group of people looking out to the black and seeing many different things? Or isn't it just the verse without the magnificent nine?

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Monday, January 1, 2007 11:46 AM

PENGUIN


No...These people ARE Firefly.

No one else could play River the way Summer does...

No one else could play Mal the way Nathan does...

The same goes for the rest of the cast.

Joss created the germ...the BDH's brought it to life.

The BDH's and Firefly are one.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 11:50 AM

LONEWONDERER


Amen to that. Its more of a character driven show and thats what makes it Amazing and that's what makes me a BrownCoat

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Monday, January 1, 2007 12:06 PM

STINKINGROSE


I'd tune in to see if they could pull it off, but it couldn't be the same. Joss created the framework for the characters, the actors brought them to life for us.
After being raised on Star Trek, my reaction (at around age 12) to TNG was "Oh, come on! There's no way it could be like the old one". I was correct, it was not like the old one, but I ended up liking it just the same.
So hypothetically: I'd watch at least one ep, then I'd probably tune out from near terminal disappointment.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 12:17 PM

KAYLEEGIRL


If it's not the original cast, it's not Firefly in my mind. I'd be willing to support a spin-off series IF (and that's a big if!) Joss Whedon was in charge of it.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 12:22 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


No way, José!


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Monday, January 1, 2007 1:24 PM

SIMONWHO


It's fascinating to see such a strong response against any recasting. Of course, I'd be against it too but the fact remains that any one of hundreds of actors could have played those parts and they'd have been pretty much the same.

The characters come from Joss. The writing comes from Joss (and the episode's author). The actors say the lines and try not to bump into the scenary. Okay, I'm oversimplifying but Firefly without Joss = no show. Firefly without any of the original actors = a slightly different Firefly.

Joss tells them what to do. It's all there on the page for them. Yes, they're a gifted group of actors and damn lovely people to boot. But they're utterly replacable. Heck, one of them already has been.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 1:25 PM

DARKJESTER


If the characters were recast, not a chance.

All new characters in the 'verse, I'd give it a chance at least. Especially if Joss was at the helm.




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Monday, January 1, 2007 1:42 PM

FOLLOWMAL


Quote:

Originally posted by SimonWho:
It's fascinating to see such a strong response against any recasting. Of course, I'd be against it too but the fact remains that any one of hundreds of actors could have played those parts and they'd have been pretty much the same.

The characters come from Joss. The writing comes from Joss (and the episode's author). The actors say the lines and try not to bump into the scenary. Okay, I'm oversimplifying but Firefly without Joss = no show. Firefly without any of the original actors = a slightly different Firefly.

Joss tells them what to do. It's all there on the page for them. Yes, they're a gifted group of actors and damn lovely people to boot. But they're utterly replacable. Heck, one of them already has been.



When I first arrived here I was strongly against watching anything resembling Firefly that even Joss came up with if it didn't have these actors in it. I still feel basically the same with one caveat...

I would watch what Joss made. Although I differ with your opinion SimonWho that Joss made the entire thing and that the actors are replaceable totally, I think they contribute a lot. I understand now that Joss is a genius. And I'd watch what he came up with. Then I'd sit and mourn the loss of the crew of Serenity. I might continue to watch it, I might even enjoy it ( like I do BSG now, even though I seriously had my doubts about it) and I'd say to myself, that Joss is a genius. But I wouldn't LOVE it. I LOVE Firefly, unreasonably. I LOVE that crew, unreasonably. I love the character of Mal unreasonably. I'm not stopping and I won't watch another Firefly with new folks in the same way.

Quote:

Originally posted by Embers:
don't worry about it - Joss would never agree to it.
In his most recent radio interview he said he can't write long extensive Firefly comic books because he cannot tell the stories without these actors.
He is holding out all his best stories for when he gets to make them with our BDHs.
So re-casting isn't an option



I take much comfort from this. Thank you, Embers.

Let me just add, that IMHO, NO ONE else could be Mal but Nathan Fillion. No way.


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Monday, January 1, 2007 1:49 PM

STOWEAWAY


I'm not really a Whedonite so simply Joss' involvement wouldn't seal the deal for me.
I originally watched the show because I was already a fan of Nathan Fillion and Gina Torres. Now I'm a huge fan of all of the BDHs. I don't think I could watch Firefly without them.
That said, Firefly proved to me that Joss Whedon has some hellacious stories to tell. So I would tune in for a "spin-off" to see where his stories take them.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 2:14 PM

DEEPGIRL187


Firefly is a character driven show. Taking away the actors destroys a vital part of what makes the show special. And on a more shallow note, find me someone that I'll drool over more than Nathan, Adam, and Alan.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 3:00 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.


The only way I would watch such a show would be if Joss was the producer. I'd trust him to make it worth my time. Otherwise, no way.




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Monday, January 1, 2007 3:08 PM

NBZ


I do not have as much faith in Joss as others on here do.

I would watch the show, but I would hope it is all new characters and all new story to go along with all new actors.

It's an interesting 'verse, and the BDH are not the only ones to have anything nteresting happen to them.

If we do not get more firely, I would love to see related mini series.

I would love to see a Jayne arc. You know... life before Serenity.

Also obviously the Book arc. Could be like The Goidfather, telling two stories at the same time.

Then there are the underground movements, following Niska, the life and times of Jubal Early. A small series set in or just before the war would also be very interesting.

The 'verse has many interesting options.

All it has to be is not too fantastical (Firefly was not fantastical. The movie was slightly, but it was made to be bigger. It detracted from the 'verse.), have brilliant writing, good stories and believable characters.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 3:30 PM

STINKINGROSE


Simonwho,
Actors (good ones anyway) are not just a plug and play commodity. They spend a lot of time creating their characters. No two actors will bring you the same performance. Not even an understudy, though they do their best to come close.
That is part of the beauty of their craft. They take the director's general vision, a sense of the character, then translate the script through acting.
No two people think *exactly* the same, so no two people act exactly the same. They make different choices because of who they are and what they bring with them to the performance.
That's the whole point of auditions. The director is trying to weed through everybody who is not interpreting the character the way they hope. They search for the person who will best bring their work to life.

Anyway, that's what I was taught in college.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 3:31 PM

THESOMNAMBULIST


Are you talking about new characters within the verse who we follow, or new actors in the old roles on a new ship....?

If it is a new bunch of characters roaming around in the verse then yes, because it would be another Joss show.

However if it is new actors playing the parts of 'our' old characters. Then.... No.


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Monday, January 1, 2007 3:35 PM

INDEPENDENCESOLDIER


Wow...I'm loving the responses! It makes me all tingly inside to know that I'm not alone with my "My gorramn backside nobody else could play these characters!" attitude. However I do respect those who are choosing to play devil's advocate and express their opinions too.

It just proves that there are two types of people: those who fell in love with the show as a whole and those who fell in love with the idea. Joss could have put on this show with anybody and the second type of browncoat would have watched it because they love the Independence and all that it stands for.

However I'm one of the breed who fell in love with the characters and the ship as much with the anti-establishment ideal that it promotes. I cannot imagine another version of Firefly with different people or different characters. It's almost as if I would not be able to live with myself for watching it.

As just one example: the reaction of Wash dying in the BDM. People freaked out and within 24 hours blogs, threads, and websites flooded the cortex with shrines and memorials, but more than that--the conspiracy theorist took it and ran with it. I know of at least ten different "ideas" for the next movie from various browncoats for how Wash is either not dead or could be brought back along with Book. People are in love with these characters and they cannot imagine the story continuing in any way without them.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 3:37 PM

INDEPENDENCESOLDIER


Quote:

Originally posted by stinkingrose:
Simonwho,
Actors (good ones anyway) are not just a plug and play commodity. They spend a lot of time creating their characters. No two actors will bring you the same performance. Not even an understudy, though they do their best to come close.
That is part of the beauty of their craft. They take the director's general vision, a sense of the character, then translate the script through acting.
No two people think *exactly* the same, so no two people act exactly the same. They make different choices because of who they are and what they bring with them to the performance.
That's the whole point of auditions. The director is trying to weed through everybody who is not interpreting the character the way they hope. They search for the person who will best bring their work to life.

Anyway, that's what I was taught in college.



Case in point....*coughs* James Bond *coughs*

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Monday, January 1, 2007 3:40 PM

INDEPENDENCESOLDIER


Quote:

Originally posted by nbz:
I do not have as much faith in Joss as others on here do.

I would watch the show, but I would hope it is all new characters and all new story to go along with all new actors.

It's an interesting 'verse, and the BDH are not the only ones to have anything nteresting happen to them.

If we do not get more firely, I would love to see related mini series.

I would love to see a Jayne arc. You know... life before Serenity.

Also obviously the Book arc. Could be like The Goidfather, telling two stories at the same time.

Then there are the underground movements, following Niska, the life and times of Jubal Early. A small series set in or just before the war would also be very interesting.

The 'verse has many interesting options.

All it has to be is not too fantastical (Firefly was not fantastical. The movie was slightly, but it was made to be bigger. It detracted from the 'verse.), have brilliant writing, good stories and believable characters.



I have to bring up a painful memory for all the fellow Whedonatics in this lovely 'Verse created for us...but didn't Joss already try that once with Angel? To my recollection...it didn't go too pretty.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 3:50 PM

SIMONWHO


Quote:

Originally posted by IndependenceSoldier:

Case in point....*coughs* James Bond *coughs*



Or Doctor Who or Dracula or Sherlock Holmes or anyone of countless other characters who have been played by different actors.

Yes it would be different but different doesn't always mean worse. Remember Inara was recast after shooting began - everyone would probably be just as insistent that Rebecca Gayheart was irreplacable had she not been replaced.


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Monday, January 1, 2007 3:56 PM

ZZETTA13


It makes my stomach turn but I guess I'd tune in. I can not for the life of me understand why that would happen though.


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Monday, January 1, 2007 3:56 PM

INDEPENDENCESOLDIER


Quote:

Originally posted by SimonWho:
Quote:

Originally posted by IndependenceSoldier:

Case in point....*coughs* James Bond *coughs*



Or Doctor Who or Dracula or Sherlock Holmes or anyone of countless other characters who have been played by different actors.

Yes it would be different but different doesn't always mean worse. Remember Inara was recast after shooting began - everyone would probably be just as insistent that Rebecca Gayheart was irreplacable had she not been replaced.




However the main difference there is that the viewers never got the chance to see the other considered Inara. Once people see Inara on the screen she becomes locked in their minds. (To add another instance--Aragorn in LotR was originally going to be Stuart Townsend. Directors know who and who not to cast and they know when things aren't going to work out. Joss made a good call.)

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Monday, January 1, 2007 4:31 PM

ASARIAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Penguin:

No...These people ARE Firefly.

No one else could play River the way Summer does...

No one else could play Mal the way Nathan does...

The same goes for the rest of the cast.

Joss created the germ...the BDH's brought it to life.

The BDH's and Firefly are one.




Amen to that.

I think I would constantly be comparing -- and finding it wanting. I'd be saying: "This is not at all how the real River would have acted." And similar comments for the entire crew. Until I'd realize there's simply no comparison, and that it really ain't FireFly I'm watching. At which point I would walk away.


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Monday, January 1, 2007 4:38 PM

ZZETTA13


There was a theard on here earlier about the curse of Firefly's acting cast.Well this isn't about that but it is about what is deemed to the the curse to television actors or sometime movie actors. Actors and actresses sometime get pegged into the character roles that they play in a successful tv series.Much to the point where they begin to hate that role. This never got a chance to happen to FF. I know the actors would welcome the chance to play those parts again.

Inara, I can't think of another actress I would like seeing play that part. Marena IS Inara. I can't see anyone else playing Mal or Jayne,Kaylee,Zoe,Simon,River and even Wash and Book.

There can't be another Saffron or Badger and Niska has me cring every time I watch that eps.

Guess if any changes were to be made we'd have to just wait and see.

Z

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Monday, January 1, 2007 4:44 PM

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Nope.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 4:46 PM

NEWOLDBROWNCOAT


Hypothetically, I would watch. After all, can only one actor ever play Hamlet? And, Firefly ain't Hamlet.
On the other hand, in actuality, I might not like it.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 5:22 PM

KELAI


Quote:

Originally posted by nbz:
I do not have as much faith in Joss as others on here do.



Same thing here. I lost my faith at Serenity. Erm, the movie theatre. When Joss killed my Washie.


Back on topic, no, I would not watch it. Unless it was new ship with new crew. I cannot imagine anyone else playing our characters.

If anyone ends up playing our characters we can have a blonde River. It has happened before (in remakes and such -- pisses me off).


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Monday, January 1, 2007 5:38 PM

HELL'S KITTEN


Yep, I'd watch, provided it's still Joss' show. While I'm not a Whedophile, I haven't been disappointed by his work yet, on the whole.

Guess I'm in agreement with SimonWho, for the most part.

I can separate the actor from the character. (The idea that the character and the actor are one in the same seems a little otaku to me.) Lots of people keep saying it's a character driven show, which holds truth. But, I'm not sure that changing the face of the character would actually change the essence of the character. Therefore, I can't seem to wholly dismiss the possibility that another actor could conceivably portray the character in the same or similarly appropriate manner.

Considering actors change and grow because of the very nature of their careers, the same actor returning to a role from many years ago may not necessarily bring the same thing to that role as they did when they first had the part. Their experiences may hinder a complete return to the character as it was originally portrayed; a sort of "you can never go home again" thing, ya know? (I've already rambled too much, so I won't bore you with examples.)

That being said...

ADAM = JAYNE FOREVER!!! WOOHOO!!! XD

EDIT:
Cuz I'm a horrible person, I think Brendan Fraser would make an excellent Mal (ref. The Mummy and check out the pictures)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120616/

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Monday, January 1, 2007 5:51 PM

ZZETTA13


A lot of ppl here may be to young to remember but it was tried(different actor same character) years ago with a show called "Alias Smith and Jones" after one of the actors untimely death. Don't think it worked. I'm sure there are other examples I'm not aware of and maybe some have worked out.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 7:19 PM

FIREFLYPASSENGER


I love Josh Charles. I just finished watching the Sports Night Season 1 and I love Josh Charles.

I wish he would work more.

I could only accept others cast in Firefly if our BDHs couldn't do it.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 7:25 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.


When the first Dumbledore (Richard Harris) died, they replaced him with Michael Gambon, that didn't work. Kind of a lame example, I know, but it does show how actors make the characters unique.

And, what about the husband on "Bewitched"? He was changed up, and there's a significant difference.


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Monday, January 1, 2007 8:16 PM

VETERAN

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I'd give it a try.

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Monday, January 1, 2007 8:32 PM

VERTEBREAKER


I'd owe it to Joss to at least give it a watch, but I couldn't love it anywhere near as much as the original.

The thought of seeing anyone but Jewel Staite as my lovely Kaylee makes me a sad panda. :(

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Monday, January 1, 2007 8:33 PM

INDEPENDENCESOLDIER


Quote:

Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Hypothetically, I would watch. After all, can only one actor ever play Hamlet? And, Firefly ain't Hamlet.
On the other hand, in actuality, I might not like it.



You're right--Firefly ain't Hamlet. Hamlet is a gorramn play written by Shakespeare, who meant for multiple people to play the part, not just one. Who can really speak for Joss? None of us can...we're just not that shiny. (sorry, the Hamlet thing kinda hit a chord--I recently got that play hammered into me!)

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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 4:00 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.


Yes, I would watch it. Two reasons; Joss & it is a the 'verse I love. I love the cast too, don't get me wrong, and I highly doubt that any ensemble could ever hope to rival the chemistry and magic our BDHs had, but I love the Firefly premise and the 'verse that Joss created. So, if some network put up a spin off or a recasted Firefly, I would watch it.

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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 4:15 AM

EVILDINOSAUR


hmm...well ignoring the fact that Joss would never let that happen...I'd at least give it a chance, because it'd still be written by Joss.

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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 5:05 AM

GWEK


I'd watch it in a second (assuming the creative minds were the same). Because I want more "Firefly."

Much as I LOVE the cast, and would much prefer that they keep the same cast, if the only way to do it were with all new folks, I'd be there in a second. Heck, Buffy was re-cast, and it seemed to work out pretty well for the replacement.

Also, while I'd definitely support a spinoff, I'd rather see Joss come back to OUR characters and OUR story, since we clearly ain't done with 'em yet! I wouldn't want that tale finished lamely (like, for example, "Millennium," which, after cancellation, finished it's story arc pretty weakly in an episode of "X-Files").


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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 6:10 AM

ZEEK


Yep I'd watch. Assuming Joss is still at the helm that is.

He's the only reason I started watching Firefly in the first place. The previews made it look totally forgetable at the time. The Train Job didn't exactly pull me in. I stuck with it because I trusted Joss.

I'm sure the first time seeing Firefly with different actors and actresses would leave a sour taste in my mouth, but if Joss was there I'd stick with it. The man knows his craft.

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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 6:14 AM

GWEK


I think this thread brings up an interesting side question.

Although it won't happen: Would you rather see Firefly with Joss and a new cast (same characters) or with the full cast, but no Joss?

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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 6:46 AM

WAFFENMAC


Couldnt watch withour original cast,this shows writing and actors have touched many people across many lines.

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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 6:47 AM

WAFFENMAC


Couldnt watch without original cast,this shows writing and actors have touched many people across many lines.

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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 6:57 AM

JAMES27


I would tune in for an episode if the show was recast, but not only did Joss write the script. it is almost if the cast of firefly was with him inside his head. like he knew who they were before even having them cast in his show in the first place. without the original cast the show would not be the same especially not for the original independents like us. we need the cast back and Joss as well. i dont care how they do it. the next episode could be river realizing she just woke up from a crazy dream. i dont care bring firefly back.

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Tuesday, January 2, 2007 11:05 AM

JWHEDONADDICT


Sorry!!!

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