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The Bad Boys: Ride or Die Success Thread

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Monday, June 3, 2024 11:14 PM

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SHOCK: ‘Bad Boys: Ride or Die' Might Open in the $30M Range

https://www.worldofreel.com/blog/2024/6/3/shock-bad-boys-ride-or-die-m
ight-open-in-the-30m-range


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Last week, inside tracking numbers had “Bad Boys: Ride or Die” potentially opening in the $60M range. Also, according to a survey, it was the movie for which general U.S. audiences were most aware of, besting any other summer movie, including “Deadpool 3.”

Deadline is now sounding the alarm that tickets are not selling as well as they thought for this latest ‘Bad Boys’ flick. One look at local AMC/Regal seating charts and you might notice that there aren’t a lot of tickets sold for the movie.




$30 Million in the US is fine if the international office ponies up at least $60 Million, but I don't think it has that sort of international appeal.

Even $60 Million opening in the US would not have been spectacular and the flick would have had trouble getting the international support to bring it at 100% of the production budget on opening weekend.


The question mark will be removed from this thread title after we know for sure the budget is $100 million and it's clear the reports of only seeing a $30 Million opening weekend potential aren't bunk. Which in that case, this film is finished before it started even with its comparatively low budget to most of the other flops so far this year.

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ETA: 06/09/2024 - Thread title changed from "Failure Thread (?)" to "Success Thread" without the "(?)" after opening weekend projections came out on Sunday at The-Numbers.

$56 Million domestic, $48.6 Million International, $104.6 Million Worldwide.

There is almost zero chance this one does not break even at over $250 Million with these opening weekend numbers. At least, in 2023 that would have been the case. It's been a strange year so far, and previous indicators haven't reliably meant what they once did.

So not only did I remove the "?", but I changed the title of the thread to "Success". Not only did Ride or Die make more money on opening weekend than anybody in the industry predicted that it would in the last few weeks leading to the opening, but it nearly doubled the lowest predictions out there. I think the industry has no idea what the hell is going on right now either, and after spending all year being wrong with high predictions that didn't pan out, they went really low with this one.

Even better for Ride or Die is that it will have zero new competition next weekend with Disney's first movie of 2024 releasing and geared toward an entirely different demographic. It probably won't see a release that would compete for eyeballs until June 28th when the prequel to A Quiet Place comes out.

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Tuesday, June 4, 2024 4:19 PM

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Some stuff to factor in here, the economy the US economy and World Economy is starting to feel more screwed up
Will Smith slap, he burnt a lot of bridges, Jada Pinkett Smith and her weird psycho humiliation rituals the son's friend? Chris Rock–Will Smith slapping incident a lot of studios hated that whole event. According to the Academy, Smith was asked to leave the ceremony but refused
https://web.archive.org/web/20220330005504/https://www.washingtonpost.
com/arts-entertainment/2022/03/28/oscars-slap-editing
/
they are going to lose a lot of shipping and promotion, without the usual studios and teams that support you and then trying to get your product out there with less help I expect costs to be even higher than initially reported.
He has been burned or 'burnt' by other celebs, some supported him but most hated what he did, Would Wanda Sykes host the Oscars again? 'Oh hell no,' she says Jim Carrey Was SICKENED by Will Smith Oscar Moment
https://web.archive.org/web/20230307101928/https://ew.com/awards/oscar
s/wanda-sykes-wouldnt-host-oscars-again-hell-no
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Tuesday, June 4, 2024 9:19 PM

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Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Some stuff to factor in here, the economy the US economy and World Economy is starting to feel more screwed up
Will Smith slap, he burnt a lot of bridges, Jada Pinkett Smith and her weird psycho humiliation rituals the son's friend? Chris Rock–Will Smith slapping incident a lot of studios hated that whole event. According to the Academy, Smith was asked to leave the ceremony but refused
https://web.archive.org/web/20220330005504/https://www.washingtonpost.
com/arts-entertainment/2022/03/28/oscars-slap-editing
/
they are going to lose a lot of shipping and promotion, without the usual studios and teams that support you and then trying to get your product out there with less help I expect costs to be even higher than initially reported.
He has been burned or 'burnt' by other celebs, some supported him but most hated what he did, Would Wanda Sykes host the Oscars again? 'Oh hell no,' she says Jim Carrey Was SICKENED by Will Smith Oscar Moment
https://web.archive.org/web/20230307101928/https://ew.com/awards/oscar
s/wanda-sykes-wouldnt-host-oscars-again-hell-no
/




Sure. Despite the delusions of some people who come in here to post pirated movie download links and pretend the economy is great, the state of the US and world economy are just kind of baked into anything I've been saying in here at this point.

Good point about the Will Smith slap though. Not that I'd forgotten about it, but I just kind of assumed that was baked into this one too. But yeah... it was long ago enough where a lot of people probably forgot that it was a thing that happened.



Martin's the real victim here. How they going to do my boy dirty like that?

Take that money and run, buddy.

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Wednesday, June 5, 2024 8:23 AM

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If this flops then just stick a fork in 2024

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Wednesday, June 5, 2024 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by whozit:
If this flops then just stick a fork in 2024



You're not wrong, but I think the 2024 goose has already been cooked.

My biggest question for the year is finding out of the US can even put out enough moneymaking movies to bump China out of the Top 10. Because right now their films occupy 4 of the Top 10 spaces, and I'm not sure if America is even capable of putting out another 7 films in 2024 that do half a billion to push them all off the Top 10 list.

And that's only figuring that China doesn't have another big hit or 3 coming out the rest of the year. YOLO and Pegasus 2 made $479 Million and $469 Million in the 1st quarter of 2024. There's a whole lot of year left for them to top that.

https://www.the-numbers.com/box-office-records/worldwide/all-movies/cu
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Thursday, June 6, 2024 7:05 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
The question mark will be removed from this thread title after we know for sure the budget is $100 million and it's clear the reports of only seeing a $30 Million opening weekend potential aren't bunk. Which in that case, this film is finished before it started even with its comparatively low budget to most of the other flops so far this year.



One half of this is already confirmed true. According to The Numbers, the budget for Ride or Die was $100 Million.

Sony is competing against itself this weekend with Bad Boys: Ride or Die and Garfield. Garfield remains the widest release with 74 more theaters than Bad Boys.

I'm seeing predictions between $30 and $50 Million right now.

Reddit is having fun with the fact that nobody is giving any solid predictions in 2024...

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Bad Boys: Ride or Die Expected to earn between 38 cents and $1 trillion in its opening weekend. We’ll be back Monday to claim victory on our prediction.




By default, I'm just going to believe this one will fail to reach $250 Million unless we see something in the box office that makes us believe otherwise here.

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Friday, June 7, 2024 7:25 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by JAYNEZTOWN:
Some stuff to factor in here, the economy the US economy and World Economy is starting to feel more screwed up
Will Smith slap, he burnt a lot of bridges, Jada Pinkett Smith and her weird psycho humiliation rituals the son's friend? Chris Rock–Will Smith slapping incident a lot of studios hated that whole event. According to the Academy, Smith was asked to leave the ceremony but refused
https://web.archive.org/web/20220330005504/https://www.washingtonpost.
com/arts-entertainment/2022/03/28/oscars-slap-editing
/
they are going to lose a lot of shipping and promotion, without the usual studios and teams that support you and then trying to get your product out there with less help I expect costs to be even higher than initially reported.
He has been burned or 'burnt' by other celebs, some supported him but most hated what he did, Would Wanda Sykes host the Oscars again? 'Oh hell no,' she says Jim Carrey Was SICKENED by Will Smith Oscar Moment
https://web.archive.org/web/20230307101928/https://ew.com/awards/oscar
s/wanda-sykes-wouldnt-host-oscars-again-hell-no
/




I'm sure there were plenty of people in the audience who wanted to slap the shit out of those lame ass hosts.

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Friday, June 7, 2024 11:52 AM

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'Bad Boys' opened Thursday previews at 5.875 million, it's on it's way to do just OK.

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Friday, June 7, 2024 2:16 PM

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Originally posted by whozit:
'Bad Boys' opened Thursday previews at 5.875 million, it's on it's way to do just OK.



It's probably going to open higher than $30 Million with a preview night around $6 Million. I'm surprised it was actually that high.

Here's a short list of other movies this year, what their preview numbers were and what their current worldwide 2024 rank is. They're listed in order of Preview Thursday money.


Title - Preview Thursday $ - 2024 Worldwide Rank

Dune: Part 2 - $12 Million - 1st Place
Godzilla x Kong - $10 Million - 2nd Place
Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes - $6.6 Million - 6th Place
Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire - $4.7 Million - 9th Place
Kung Fu Panda 4 - $3.8 Million - 3rd Place
Furiosa - $3.5 Million - 15th Place
The Fall Guy - $3.15 Million - 11th Place
Argylle: $1.7 Million - 20th Place

As far as I've looked into it, that puts Bad Boys in 4th place for preview night in the US in 2024.



Regarding Worldwide Numbers So Far...

1st/2nd Place: Dune: Part 2 & Godzilla X Kong (Box Office Successes)

Dune: Part 2 and Godzilla x Kong were 1st and 2nd place in previews and they're also 1st and 2nd place in the 2024 Worldwide Box Office.

3rd Place: Kung Fu Panda 4 (Box Office Success)

Kung Fu Panda 4 had a great run and is only $20 Million behind Godzilla X Kong for 2nd place even though it came in 6th place for previews on that list. Previews for kids movies don't really tell you anything though and this result is somewhat typical in that regard.

4th/5th Place: 2 Chinese Movies. YOLO & Pegasus 2.

6th Place: Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (Almost Certainly a Box Office Failure)

Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes is in 6th place. It's not running on empty yet, but it would need another $123 Million to climb into 5th place and that ain't happening.

If you took the two Chinese Movies out of the picture, it's in 4th place. Ignoring the trend of family movies making less on previews than other types of movies, Apes is still following a trend of the higher the preview numbers, the higher on the 2024 list they end up. It just needs about $60 Million to break even still and isn't very likely to come close to that.

7th/8th Place: 2 more Chinese movies. Article 20 and Boonie Bears: Time Twist.

9th Place: Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire. (Box Office Failure)

No longer in theaters and fell almost $50 Million short of breaking even.

But if you exclude all 4 Chinese movies above it and disregard Kung Fu Panda 4's jump, it is in 5th place, which is still keeping the Preview Number / Worldwide Top List Number.

10th Place: Bob Marley (I didn't track this one at all yet)

11th Place: The Fall Guy (Box Office Failure)

It only has made $160 Million on a $125 Million budget and it's not coming close to making $1 Million per day anymore.

If Furiosa doesn't totally fumble, it should rise above The Fall Guy. It did only make $700k on Thursday though, so Furiosa might be the movie that first breaks the rule.

15th Place: Furiosa (Box Office Failure)

$120 Million on a $168 Million budget in 14 days. This one has zero chance of coming close to breaking even. Only real question is whether or not it can make more than The Fall Guy did.




Extremely long story short, based off of Thursday Previews, if you predicted that Bad Boys would finish its run at 4th place in the 2024 Box Office (excluding Chinese movies and disregarding Kung Fu Panda 4's higher showing), it would make somewhere between what Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire and Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes made.

Or in other words, somewhere between $200 Million and $370 Million.

That could be good news for this movie. I don't think it would make anywhere close to what Apes ends up pulling in, but if it can split the above difference, it could walk away making in the area of $25 Million profit.

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Friday, June 7, 2024 10:32 PM

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Bruce is predicting $44 Million opening weekend, with the possibility of $50 Million.

I think that's probably still too high, but after those preview numbers I knew it would do better than $30 Million.


Bad Boys For Life had a 48% Domestic / 52% International split of $424 Million in 2020.

If it does make at least $40 Million in the US and sees the same international split that BBFL had, we're up over $80 Million opening and we'll be somewhere between 80% and 100% of the production budget. Giving that it's 2024, that may not be enough to get it to break even territory, but being a Bad Boys movie it will probably be able to overcome that in the end.

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Saturday, June 8, 2024 2:44 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Bruce is predicting $44 Million opening weekend, with the possibility of $50 Million.

I think that's probably still too high, but after those preview numbers I knew it would do better than $30 Million.



It appears I was wrong. It appears that Bruce was probably wrong as well.

Friday's take for Ride or Die is projected at $15.725 Million after you remove the $5.875 Thursday Previews. It should make more than that today, and somewhere in between Friday and Saturday's numbers on Sunday.

This is probably a $50 to $55 Million opening weekend in the US. It won't come close to the $62 Million opening that BBFL had in 2020, right before Democrats destroyed cinema over a case of the sniffles, but that should be considered a huge win in 2024.

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Bad Boys For Life had a 48% Domestic / 52% International split of $424 Million in 2020.

If it does make at least $40 Million in the US and sees the same international split that BBFL had, we're up over $80 Million opening and we'll be somewhere between 80% and 100% of the production budget. Giving that it's 2024, that may not be enough to get it to break even territory, but being a Bad Boys movie it will probably be able to overcome that in the end.



If we hit $50 Million now and the international split remains close to 50/50, Ride or Die made its production budget back this weekend. In 2023 that would have guaranteed that the movie made decent money. I think it will probably break even with little trouble if we hit $100 Million come Monday morning.

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Sunday, June 9, 2024 8:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Bruce is predicting $44 Million opening weekend, with the possibility of $50 Million.

I think that's probably still too high, but after those preview numbers I knew it would do better than $30 Million.



It appears I was wrong. It appears that Bruce was probably wrong as well.

Friday's take for Ride or Die is projected at $15.725 Million after you remove the $5.875 Thursday Previews. It should make more than that today, and somewhere in between Friday and Saturday's numbers on Sunday.

This is probably a $50 to $55 Million opening weekend in the US. It won't come close to the $62 Million opening that BBFL had in 2020, right before Democrats destroyed cinema over a case of the sniffles, but that should be considered a huge win in 2024.

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Bad Boys For Life had a 48% Domestic / 52% International split of $424 Million in 2020.

If it does make at least $40 Million in the US and sees the same international split that BBFL had, we're up over $80 Million opening and we'll be somewhere between 80% and 100% of the production budget. Giving that it's 2024, that may not be enough to get it to break even territory, but being a Bad Boys movie it will probably be able to overcome that in the end.



If we hit $50 Million now and the international split remains close to 50/50, Ride or Die made its production budget back this weekend. In 2023 that would have guaranteed that the movie made decent money. I think it will probably break even with little trouble if we hit $100 Million come Monday morning.

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I'm just glad a non woke flick is a hit, this is a good sign for 'Deadpool'

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Sunday, June 9, 2024 4:31 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Bruce is predicting $44 Million opening weekend, with the possibility of $50 Million.

I think that's probably still too high, but after those preview numbers I knew it would do better than $30 Million.



It appears I was wrong. It appears that Bruce was probably wrong as well.

Friday's take for Ride or Die is projected at $15.725 Million after you remove the $5.875 Thursday Previews. It should make more than that today, and somewhere in between Friday and Saturday's numbers on Sunday.

This is probably a $50 to $55 Million opening weekend in the US. It won't come close to the $62 Million opening that BBFL had in 2020, right before Democrats destroyed cinema over a case of the sniffles, but that should be considered a huge win in 2024.



$56 Million, actually...

I don't imagine the studio had any reason to highball those numbers here since they should be very happy with them, so we might see as much as $57 Million+ when the actual numbers come in.

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Bad Boys For Life had a 48% Domestic / 52% International split of $424 Million in 2020.

If it does make at least $40 Million in the US and sees the same international split that BBFL had, we're up over $80 Million opening and we'll be somewhere between 80% and 100% of the production budget. Giving that it's 2024, that may not be enough to get it to break even territory, but being a Bad Boys movie it will probably be able to overcome that in the end.



If we hit $50 Million now and the international split remains close to 50/50, Ride or Die made its production budget back this weekend. In 2023 that would have guaranteed that the movie made decent money. I think it will probably break even with little trouble if we hit $100 Million come Monday morning.



Not as good news for Ride or Die is the muted International take this weekend, but still not bad at all, considering the higher than everyone expected US opening weekend. Currently, 53% of the gross is US, with only 47% being international.



Total projected opening weekend: $104,600,000

You've started out your run with 105% of the production budget made on opening weekend. A rare feat in 2024. You should be among the 4 or 5 big budget Hollywood flicks to break even or make some money nearly halfway into the year. You might not make a whole lot of money, but in a year where everyone is losing simply not being a loser is winning.

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I'm just glad a non woke flick is a hit, this is a good sign for 'Deadpool'



"Hit" might be overstating things a bit, but even though I don't imagine it's going to make a lot of money for Sony Pictures, I give it about a zero percent chance of losing any more money for them.

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Monday, June 10, 2024 1:37 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
I don't imagine the studio had any reason to highball those numbers here since they should be very happy with them, so we might see as much as $57 Million+ when the actual numbers come in.



They've already raised the projections from $56 Million to $56.5 Million. Strange, yes... but not unprecedented. My thinking in this case is that the studio is more than confident that it made more than this and by bumping the US projection by $500k it puts it over $105 Million worldwide for opening weekend headlines.

So I don't think this will in effect boost the final US opening weekend total higher than $57 Million when we get the real numbers later today. I don't think the projection number was boosted because of new data. It was simply done for the headlines today.

I still think the number will be at least $57 Million but will not cross $58 Million.



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Tuesday, June 11, 2024 6:45 AM

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These Profits will save the studios?


So its a hit for Columbia Pictures / Sony Pictures


Can it save the studios and how does it compare to the profits from Avengers Endgame, Titanic, Jurassic Park, Barbie, Oppenheimer, Ironman, Thor Ragnarok, Batman Begins, Independence Day, Harry Potter, Spider-Man No Way Home or foreign or low indie Paranormal Activity, FNAF, Super Size Me, M3GAN, Godzilla Minus One, Halloween.

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Tuesday, June 11, 2024 12:34 PM

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These Profits will save the studios?



Haha... not a chance.

I doubt that Bad Boys makes enough money to cover Sony's losses on Madame Web alone.

I have no collected data like I did for last year, but practically everything has been a loser so far save for 3 or 4 other movies and this one.


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So its a hit for Columbia Pictures / Sony Pictures

Can it save the studios and how does it compare to the profits from Avengers Endgame, Titanic, Jurassic Park, Barbie, Oppenheimer, Ironman, Thor Ragnarok, Batman Begins, Independence Day, Harry Potter, Spider-Man No Way Home or foreign or low indie Paranormal Activity, FNAF, Super Size Me, M3GAN, Godzilla Minus One, Halloween.



I think the only studio that I heard was in trouble and that would need saving is Paramount.

What we're seeing right now is failures that were planed 2 years ago playing out before our eyes. These things don't get made overnight.

I'm hoping that they were learning lessons last year and already made a switch or the outlook for Hollywood isn't going to change much until 2026 at the earliest. Only the studios can save themselves.

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Friday, June 14, 2024 12:01 AM

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Ride or Die has been a hit all week long so far.

Without Thursday's numbers included it's already up to $123.3 Million, so that was almost another $19 Million in only 3 week days. It's been a while since we've seen that, but I'm sure some of that has to do with kids being out for the summer now too.

Probably gets around another $5 Million tonight, and it will be pretty close to $130 Million entering the second weekend.

The international money announced on Monday should be close to 100% of the $48 Million it pulled in opening weekend, so my guess is that it's almost impossible for this not to have $200 to $210 Million by the end of the weekend.

They're going to make some money on this one. Nothing crazy, but it will be more than a few bucks.

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Tuesday, June 18, 2024 10:38 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack (June 7th):
Extremely long story short, based off of Thursday Previews, if you predicted that Bad Boys would finish its run at 4th place in the 2024 Box Office (excluding Chinese movies and disregarding Kung Fu Panda 4's higher showing), it would make somewhere between what Ghostbusters: Frozen Empire and Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes made.

Or in other words, somewhere between $200 Million and $370 Million.

That could be good news for this movie. I don't think it would make anywhere close to what Apes ends up pulling in, but if it can split the above difference, it could walk away making in the area of $25 Million profit.

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Ride or Die is currently at $218.6 Million worldwide (Day 11).

Ride or Die surprised this weekend only loosing -45% from the prior weekend, and that's not adjusted for Preview Thursday either.

It will end up somewhere safely in the middle of that range. Pretty close to the middle, I suspect.

FYI, Ride or Die was no longer the 4th highest grossing preview night, but the 5th now that Disney's Inside Out 2 took 1st place last weekend with $13 Million. So the final place we would expect Ride or Die to end up based off the previous assumptions is also moved to 6th as well, disregarding Chinese movies and due to the behavior of KFP4.



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Saturday, June 22, 2024 12:18 AM

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Bruce is predicting an almost unheard of drop of only -17% from last weekend on Ride or Die. At least I don't see it practically ever, except when a film is running on empty (like Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes and Bruce's -21% prediction this weekend).

But we're still talking a $28 Million+ third weekend here if Bruce is right.

$230,433,597 worldwide right now. Probably be fairly close to $300 Million by Monday morning.


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Monday, June 24, 2024 8:40 AM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
Bruce is predicting an almost unheard of drop of only -17% from last weekend on Ride or Die. At least I don't see it practically ever, except when a film is running on empty (like Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes and Bruce's -21% prediction this weekend).

But we're still talking a $28 Million+ third weekend here if Bruce is right.



Yeah... Looks like Bruce was WAY off on this one. It had a -44% drop and only saw $18 Million in the US.

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$230,433,597 worldwide right now. Probably be fairly close to $300 Million by Monday morning.


It's at $289,111,000. If it had gotten that $28 Million Bruce predicted, it would have been less than $900k shy of $300 Million.


In any event, it's easily going to see a 300%+ return on its production budget, which means at least a $50 Million profit for Sony. Should have that before next weekend. Everything else it makes is gravy, which is good news because you know that Sony like most of the other studios started out the gates heavily in the red in 2023.

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