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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Didn't really need your warning. I still haven't seen Raimi's third installment, nor the first of the reboot, and have no interest in changing that situation.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Didn't really need your warning. I still haven't seen Raimi's third installment, nor the first of the reboot, and have no interest in changing that situation.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
If only you told me sooner. That movie was a disaster. Even some of the things you liked didn't work for me. That "dramatic scene" had me in stitches. I was fighting to keep from laughing too loudly in case people were into it. It was so full of over the top cheese that it didn't ring true to me in the slightest.

The villains were a mess in this film. I'd read that they were shooting for sympathetic villains. Well maybe if they acted in any way human it would help. Instead we have these contrived characters who leave a lot to be desired.

The editing on the film seemed to be non-existent. There were long pauses where we just stare at electro. I'm guessing we're supposed to be feeling something in those scenes but his CGI face shows little to no emotion. So, there's basically nothing going on. Then there are scenes where dangerous stuff is happening that spiderman can effect but he's not actually aware of the danger. So, there's no tension. It just serves to waste screen time. They also bring up a plot involving Peter's parents that never seems relevant and by the end they just wipe it away anyway. All of that stuff could have been snipped right out to cut this thing down. Maybe then I wouldn't have been checking my watch every 15 minutes.

Ugh I went in with low expectations just because of how many villains they were cramming in the film, but since I liked the first Amazing Spider-man I gave it the benefit of the doubt. I think I'm done with this incarnation of Spidey. Call me when they reboot again.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Is saying something doesn't happen a spoiler? Bah I'll spoiler tag anyway.

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So, I heard a good idea for the Dennis Leary cameos. They were saying it would be redeemed if they were actual illusions being created by Mysterio. Granted he'd have to somehow know who Spider-man is and have overheard the conversation between him and Captain Stacey. Still it would make those scenes far less cheesy if they're actual emotional sabotage. That would take decent writing though.

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Emma Stone did a good job acting, but I felt like she didn't look as good this time around. Seemed like they really caked on the makeup this go round. Not my favorite look. Felicia was easy on the eyes though.

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Originally posted by second:
Rex Reed peed on The Amazing Spider Man 2: “It is not a sequel, just another retread of tired material in a franchise that is more than ready for the big comic book bonfire. And why the title? There is nothing amazing about it.”

What is wrong with The Amazing Spider Man 2? It only got a 53 metacritic rating, which is the weighted average of opinions from the world’s most respected critics. That means the movie is neither good nor bad; it is “mixed” or “blah”.
www.metacritic.com/movie/the-amazing-spider-man-2

How bad can the average Hollywood movie be? “Maybe every generation gets the Spider-Man it deserves, but must every micro-generation? . . . The project as a whole conveys a drab sense of bureaucratic necessity, a "let's get this over with" wheeziness.” -- www.slate.com/articles/arts/movies/2014/04/the_amazing_spider_man_2_st
arring_andrew_garfield_and_emma_stone_reviewed.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by MIKER:

I think it all falls to the writers, directors and the execs. that get in the way. Spider man is a hero comic book character that deserves to live. They just keep getting it wrong.

Something goes wrong with too many big budget films. They lose what is most essential, a character driven story where the characters are well developed.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
Is saying something doesn't happen a spoiler? Bah I'll spoiler tag anyway.

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So, I heard a good idea for the Dennis Leary cameos. They were saying it would be redeemed if they were actual illusions being created by Mysterio. Granted he'd have to somehow know who Spider-man is and have overheard the conversation between him and Captain Stacey. Still it would make those scenes far less cheesy if they're actual emotional sabotage. That would take decent writing though.

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Emma Stone did a good job acting, but I felt like she didn't look as good this time around. Seemed like they really caked on the makeup this go round. Not my favorite look. Felicia was easy on the eyes though.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
"The project as a whole conveys a drab sense of bureaucratic necessity, "

I think that's a HUGE part of the problem. Raimi's films had their flaws - but they were made by a real fan of the character, who wanted to see those stories translated to the screen. His first 2, at least - the third is where the suits started dictating the story (forcing Venom on him) and his unease with that situation came through in a lousy film.

This run, though, is entirely the result of corporate planning. There's no creative vision, just a business plan. And again, it shows.



“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

Americans killed under Obama due to "intelligence failures": 4

Americans killed under Bush due to "intelligence failures": 7000+

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Originally posted by second:
Rex Reed peed on The Amazing Spider Man 2: “It is not a sequel, just another retread of tired material in a franchise that is more than ready for the big comic book bonfire. And why the title? There is nothing amazing about it.”

What is wrong with The Amazing Spider Man 2? It only got a 53 metacritic rating, which is the weighted average of opinions from the world’s most respected critics. That means the movie is neither good nor bad; it is “mixed” or “blah”.
www.metacritic.com/movie/the-amazing-spider-man-2

How bad can the average Hollywood movie be? “Maybe every generation gets the Spider-Man it deserves, but must every micro-generation? . . . The project as a whole conveys a drab sense of bureaucratic necessity, a "let's get this over with" wheeziness.” -- www.slate.com/articles/arts/movies/2014/04/the_amazing_spider_man_2_st
arring_andrew_garfield_and_emma_stone_reviewed.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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I think it all falls to the writers, directors and the execs. that get in the way. Spider man is a hero comic book character that deserves to live. They just keep getting it wrong.

Something goes wrong with too many big budget films. They lose what is most essential, a character driven story where the characters are well developed.

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Originally posted by MIKER:

I think it all falls to the writers, directors and the execs. that get in the way. Spider man is a hero comic book character that deserves to live. They just keep getting it wrong.

Something goes wrong with too many big budget films. They lose what is most essential, a character driven story where the characters are well developed.

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I saw a quote about the excellent actors. But the words they were given to speak . . . I don't know what to say . . .

"Andrew Garfield and Emma Stone—who have become an item in real life since the last movie, to the joy of the tabloids—seem to interact within a charmed, charged space: When they flirt with each other, it feels real. That could have been the basis for a genuinely memorable romantic storyline, but Garfield and Stone aren’t given enough good dialogue to speak. They tend to trade lovey-dovey compliments rather than screwball-comedy barbs. It’s as if there was a script meeting where someone threw up his hands and said, “Eh, just let ’em be cute together.” Stone has a knack for giving a just-OK line a dry Rosalind Russell snap, and her character, the valedictorian and molecular-biology whiz Gwen Stacy, does get in a few amusing retorts. But Garfield, a tremendously appealing and intelligent presence in The Social Network, seems misplaced and a bit wasted as a human arachnid. In a scene in which Peter pries a painful family secret out of his beloved Aunt May (a very good Sally Field), you get a glimpse at how well Garfield can act when the neoprene hood is off, and hope that when this franchise is over he takes the money and sprints in the direction of something more interesting." -- www.slate.com/articles/arts/movies/2014/04/the_amazing_spider_man_2_st
arring_andrew_garfield_and_emma_stone_reviewed.html

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Yep, it was as though Marvel said, "After you put Stan Lee in a cameo shot, we have a few other suggestions."

It was painting by numbers.


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Originally posted by Storymark:
"The project as a whole conveys a drab sense of bureaucratic necessity, "

I think that's a HUGE part of the problem. Raimi's films had their flaws - but they were made by a real fan of the character, who wanted to see those stories translated to the screen. His first 2, at least - the third is where the suits started dictating the story (forcing Venom on him) and his unease with that situation came through in a lousy film.

This run, though, is entirely the result of corporate planning. There's no creative vision, just a business plan. And again, it shows.



“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

Americans killed under Obama due to "intelligence failures": 4

Americans killed under Bush due to "intelligence failures": 7000+

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Felicia was easy on the eyes though.

Oooooo, yep. I agree.

By the way, that whole Mysterio thing could actually work, but it would take some pretty damn good writing. Writing that they could have used in this installment. I read somewhere that they plan 2 more of these.......I'll wait for the video.


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Originally posted by Zeek:
Is saying something doesn't happen a spoiler? Bah I'll spoiler tag anyway.

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So, I heard a good idea for the Dennis Leary cameos. They were saying it would be redeemed if they were actual illusions being created by Mysterio. Granted he'd have to somehow know who Spider-man is and have overheard the conversation between him and Captain Stacey. Still it would make those scenes far less cheesy if they're actual emotional sabotage. That would take decent writing though.

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Emma Stone did a good job acting, but I felt like she didn't look as good this time around. Seemed like they really caked on the makeup this go round. Not my favorite look. Felicia was easy on the eyes though.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

Writing for a comic book is way different than writing for a movie. I think in these movies there is too much comic book writing.

To Miker,

I agree. In that vein, I'm pretty impressed by the writers who have brought Thor to life.


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