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Great flick. Saw it a few nights ago. Well made, a clever script, and really well staged action. Way better than most anything in theatres right now.

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I could tell he liked it because we recited some of the more funny lines and scenes in the movie, plus, and this was a big one for him, we discussed the ending. We both were not satisfied.......me, I wanted it to be told from a different point of view (no spoilers) and he was questioning the helicopter scene. Why there? (For those who've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. If not, send me a message).

T'was better the second time around.

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Do you mean why did the Omega select the location of the helicopter scene for it's significance? It hought that was explained well.

You wanted the ending to be told from a different point of view, or the whole film? From a different character's PoV? What?

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Hi all. Haven't had a chance to write a good reply here, especially since I burned out my laptop. :/. But now due to yet another wiring problem on the lovely .$@#ing metro north, I'm going to be stuck on this stupid train for some time.

So - SGG, sorry I never replied to your post way up. Yes, we saw it much the same. Except I'm confused as to what you meant by the hero seeing his truth. And what was your quibble with the aliens?

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What irks people? Do we mean Paris? Or that it backed up one extra day after the omega was killed so that d-day never happened? Or that on the final timeline our hero never actually talked to our FMB?

Honestly, I kind of liked how it cut off. I like imagining him explaining it all to her, and her reaction. That would be fun, but couldn't be done in the film. Nice thing to imagine while leaving the theater.

As for backing up a day, it made sense. It totally fit into the arc that he didn't deserve his rank and uniform initially, but after all his heroics he did, and his cowardly act of desertion was wiped out. Yes, it was very pat and neat. But it fit the arc. I too want to read the story it was based on and see what happened there.

So I agree that there is something annoying about how tight and happy-happy it all was, which is what I meant in my first review. I can't explain it, but I prefer to be left a little more... Not confused, but something like that. It was just too neat. But I can't really fault it because it was all explained and set up very well.

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So, on to the casting. Emily Blunt = perfection. No doubt there.

Tom... Well, actually, he was quite good. I don't think he's too old at all. It fit the plot that the character had to be an untrained noob, but smart and of high rank, and his history as an adman was funny and fit well. It totally worked in terms of him being so dislikable at first, so I could get over how much I don't like the actor. I like to think that wasn't an accident. The writers knew.

But I don't see much else as a plot adjustment made just so they could cast Tom. The age thing, I mean. It was basic to the story that he had to be a dork with absolutely no combat training to start. How else could that be true of a grunt? And him being high rank allowed as to meet the top commander guy at the beginning. A grunt wouldn't get that. And if he wasn't a noob, we wouldn't need all those great training scenes with the FMB. (I like that name lol!)

My problem is my own bias, really. Tom played it perfectly. I can't fault him, don't know who else I'd cast there. I just hate the idea of providing any kind of support to this despiccable man. I don't think the movie would be better with a different male lead, but I'd feel better about liking it.

The only name I'd throw out there is Jeremy Renner, but that's only because I had a wicked crush on him for a while. :) until he sucked in the avengers, that is.



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“You’re a coward and a liar putting your life above theirs. The good news is there’s hope for you, private. Hope in the form of glorious combat. Battle is the great redeemer. The fire and crucible in which the only true heroes are forged. The one place where all men truly share the same rank, regardless of what kind of parasitic scum they were going in. … I envy you, Cage. Tomorrow morning you will be baptized — born again.”

That line is not accident, JSF. It is the theme of the movie! Good lord, open your eyes!

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I could tell he liked it because we recited some of the more funny lines and scenes in the movie, plus, and this was a big one for him, we discussed the ending. We both were not satisfied.......me, I wanted it to be told from a different point of view (no spoilers) and he was questioning the helicopter scene. Why there? (For those who've seen it, you know what I'm talking about. If not, send me a message).

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Do you mean why did the Omega select the location of the helicopter scene for it's significance? It hought that was explained well.

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When I originally saw the film I didn't realize that, once he beat the Omega that everything was as it was prior to the invasion of the aliens.

In terms of the ending, I thought it would have more impact at the end showing her point of view; meaning meeting Cage for the first time. Then cutting to him smiling at Rita (please know that I note this as a minor quibble on my part).

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First of all, sorry i took so long in responding.

The hero's truth or reversal: the moment when he sees his purpose, goal or mission. When he, or she, discovers the heart of the matter.


In EoT, that moment of clarity comes at the bridge in London, the one he was crossing on his motorcycle. He stops to look down into the river and he sees the Mimics scurrying through the water - they had reached London. It is at that moment that he sees his truth. He's got to put on his game face and get trained properly or else. I believe it's the moment he decides to go it alone, without Rita.

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Yeah, so now you must all see why I find JSF to be such an ass. His attitude carries over from other boards, because he is what he is. He worships any "hero figure" that is sold to him, allowing no criticism, no matter how well grounded.

That obviousness aside - SGG, you bring up some good points, and none I disagree with. There was a definite change in Cage's character. I hadn't really connected it to the bridge scene, but I think you're right on. It makes sense.

Back to JSF's ignorance: I'll bet any online pseudo currency that when the DVD comes out and the writers/directors/actors comment on the arc of the show, they'll describe the arc of Cage going from loser-coward to hero, rather than JSF's neocon fantasy of "always the perfect hero that no one really appreciated".

It's why the RWED arguments come into this: the reason JSF can't allow for the rather obvious arc of the movie is the same reason he has so many blatantly stupid opinions in RWED. He worships his own side as *always* good, no matter what. He cannot grok a shift in character, a person going from bad to good, learning and changing based on the circumstances. I am more than a little amused that JSF is so sold on his neocon worldview that he cannot interpret a very obvious character arc in a completely non subtle Hollywood movie.

Kvetch all he wants: the truth will out in the end. I will point it out to JSF when it happens, and he will come up with some new kvetch about how it's so unfair to mock him for being wrong.

Put this in the predictions thread. I will follow up. Will you, cringing little JSF?


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First of all, sorry i took so long in responding.

The hero's truth or reversal: the moment when he sees his purpose, goal or mission. When he, or she, discovers the heart of the matter.


In EoT, that moment of clarity comes at the bridge in London, the one he was crossing on his motorcycle. He stops to look down into the river and he sees the Mimics scurrying through the water - they had reached London. It is at that moment that he sees his truth. He's got to put on his game face and get trained properly or else. I believe it's the moment he decides to go it alone, without Rita.

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I think you have it backwards. That scene was after he knew he had to go without Rita if she was to ever survive (and his life without her would not be worth the world being saved from invasion), he was never able to get that far (past the helicopter) with her along. The last dying scene with her at the helicopter was the last time he brought her along, until he found out the vision was a trap. He would not have gotten to that scene you mention if he had not already decided to go it alone, without Rita.
Also, he had already been getting trained properly - going alone was only a strategery decision.
1. He advances to the helicopter scene, decides next life to bypass Rita to save her life.
2. He advances, without Rita to find it was a trap (just like hers at Verdun).
3. He tells her and the science guy it was a trap, and they re-team to go directly to the weaselly a-hole General.
The 0nly "or else" time was after the transfusion - after that the world ends. Co-opting J Squad was the biggest risk the world faced, and holding her in reserve until he got their attention was the secret weapon - was that the ballsy idea of Rita, or Cage? Likely Cage, because she did not know them. Also remember, he needed to already have made all those connections during his other lives, not knowing that this one time, without the possibility of reboot, he would need that info to convince them - and while you and Mal4 seem to think he was slacking during all those other lives, he was constantly learning the info which would result in the world being saved - and he alone had the power and knowledge needed to save it.

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No. The General was being an ass. You might think of it as "first wave" and write them off. But those were supposed to be trained guys. He was not, absolutely not. He was wasting a suit/armor thing. He absolutely should not have been there. You might think him being shanghai'd was reasonable, but that reeks of Criminal acts under the UCMJ. He[Cage] was trying to be reasonable. The general falsified documents, falsely accused him of desertion, framed him, the General was the weasel and coward. Not Cage.

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No. The General was being an ass. You might think of it as "first wave" and write them off. But those were supposed to be trained guys. He was not, absolutely not. He was wasting a suit/armor thing. He absolutely should not have been there. You might think him being shanghai'd was reasonable, but that reeks of Criminal acts under the UCMJ. He[Cage] was trying to be reasonable. The general falsified documents, falsely accused him of desertion, framed him, the General was the weasel and coward. Not Cage.

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The rest of your take -

The scene in London, on the bridge, I originally didn't see as so important as a character moment. I didn't think he was really deserting when he went for a beer, just taking a day off out of exhaustion and frustration. The attack on London I took to be the writers just letting the audience know how *important* this battle is, in case we hadn't caught it. Cage and Rita already knew that the aliens were out to make this day the Final Battle, right?. (It's been a while so I might have mixed up the timeline a bit, but I think they had that figured out early on.)

But I like your take, that even as he learned to fight and starts to get bad-ass he is still largely selfish. The attack on London and the middle-name helicopter death of Rita are what turned him around internally, because he has that connection to her and something to fight for.

So, yeah. Total agreement!


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Back to the ending: Rita's POV, yes, that's totally what I meant by the way I'd tell it if I'd been clever enough to come up with this story. From her POV, and the aliens are suddenly all dead for some reason she doesn't know, but then this guy shows up and tells her how they won, how she trained him and guided him and died in battle over and over and in Paris sacrificed herself so he could kill the omega. All these tellings done in his POV, so her POV is maybe only a prologue and epilogue.

Which gives the victory away at the start, but come on, does anyone really doubt the good guys will win in a movie like this?

And of course she'd believe it as she always does, because she's been through it. And he knows her middle name. ;)

So, JSF, that's what I mean by this interaction between them being different. Of course her initial reaction is the same, as was shown in the movie, but everything to follow the cut-off is all new. No rush to save the world, to train, to survive. Just a long talk while he tells the story. And of course, a budding romance... LOL!


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I was disappointed in the ending because it was neatly, but quite abruptly tied up into a cute bow. It was, for me anyways, anti-climatic. But not in a totally dissatisfying way. It's just that after all that brilliant set up during the first 3/4 of the movie, it felt like they rushed those final scenes to fit the movie under a certain time. . . .
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I was disappointed in the ending because it was neatly, but quite abruptly tied up into a cute bow. It was, for me anyways, anti-climatic. But not in a totally dissatisfying way. It's just that after all that brilliant set up during the first 3/4 of the movie, it felt like they rushed those final scenes to fit the movie under a certain time. . . .
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I think the alternative ending in the book would make for a very unsatisfying movie. Tom Cruise promises the forever dead, with no hope of a reset, Emily Blunt:

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The book's ending was too Japanese for me.

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That's not a good ending for a movie. www.amazon.com/All-Need-Kill-Hiroshi-Sakurazaka/dp/1421527618/

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Which gives the victory away at the start, but come on, does anyone really doubt the good guys will win in a movie like this?

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I still don't understand your reference to the helicopter scene - why there what?

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Looks interesting. Seems like another high-concept or thinker flick. Is Cruise working up an arc with Reacher, Oblivion, and now Edge of Tomorrow? I know some didn't pay attention to Oblivion, but it was another movie where the cinema audience which didn't pay attention during the showing were confused at the end, and those who did were explaining it to them. Sure, Reacher is a book series, but the flick was portrayed as a puzzle to solve until the last part.
Maybe Inception struck a chord.
Is he trying to copy Arnold's arc of Terminator, Predator, Total Recall? Or Paxton with Terminator, Weird Science (wasn't deep, but got him face time), Aliens? Or Biehn with Terminator, Aliens, Seventh Seal, Abyss? Or Pitt with Seven, 12 Monkeys, Sleepers?

I'm sure many have discounted Cruise's roles, but maybe his production partner is picking them better now.
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I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline myself, but that moment on the bridge was a crucial moment.

JSF's opinions notwithstanding.............

To me the bridge scene was saying to us and to Cage - the battle at the beach was lost and now the aliens were IN London. The look on his face was "Shit, this is serious. I gotta do something NOW!" Then he resets. If I remember it correctly, it is then that he gets his game face on and bares down on his training that even Rita looks at him and says "Wow, look at him go." There is a great sequence where he's so focused that he destroys all the practice robots with such ease and assuredness.

The Bridge Scene (as I call it) was when he sees "this is it," as I stated above, but yeah it's been establish by brilliant writing.
But what Cage realizes is that the aliens must have won at the beach because here they are in London. it's like the final chess piece.

The Rita/Helicopter Death scene: Again the writing. It is here where we come to see just how much Cage cares for Rita. In an attempt to save her, he withholds the keys to the copter. With all his fussing over her, she figures it out. He's trying to hard to have her stay there, because he knows she dies and he can't stop or change it. It here where I think he decides, "I'm not going to find her and go it alone."

And........The attack on London and the middle-name helicopter death of Rita are what turned him around internally, because he has that connection to her and something to fight for.

Agreed. It is that connection that drives him, and so he goes out to reset the day, to save the women he loves.

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Either I am missing your logic our you are missing mine.
Do you agree that 1. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER the helicopter scene?
That 2. London and Bridge scenes occur WITHOUT Rita?
That 3. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER he had already decided to not meet Rita and advance to that point without her?
That 4. London and Bridge scenes did not have Rita included in those reboots, she was not there, she could not "see the look on his face" or "see how he goes' or whatever?

I don't understand how you think the scene in London or Bridge could trigger him to not meet with Rita, when he is already without Rita in those scenes (and she did not die in those reboots, he would not continue if she had died). I don't currently understand why you would think those scenes would spur him to buckle down and take things seriously, when he had already passed that stage long before.

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I've had to skip a whole bunch of posts here, because of spoilers -- I ain't complaining, it's my own gorram fault for not getting to the theaters yet! I loathe Tom Cruise, but I was sold on seeing this movie the moment I learned he dies in it -- over and over and over again. Yessirree Bob! I'll be happy to spend money to see that!

(Actually, I loved the trailers -- I wanna see the exo-suits in action! Just... gotta get to the theaters and do it! I **think** it's still showing at our local megaplex...)

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Yup! I'm a noob here. Slowly but surely catching up on different conversation threads here -- my first lesson was to stay off the Real World Discussions section and my second is that WOW! Insane fandom history I am so so grateful to have missed out on! (I guess the upside for taking forever to dive into Firefly fandom is that I got to miss out on some of the doublepluscrazypants)

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A question had been asked earlier about who would we have preferred to have seen cast in the lead role, instead of Tom Cruise? Bill Paxton would have been an interesting choice! Or Timothy Olyphant (of Deadwood & Justified fame). Or how about Anson Mount (the lead in AMC's Western series "Hell on Wheels")? Personally, I think just from what I've seen from the trailers, Anson Mount would have ROCKED that role! (Plus... he's a hottie!)

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Great flick. Saw it a few nights ago. Well made, a clever script, and really well staged action. Way better than most anything in theatres right now.



“Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.'”? Isaac Asimov

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In answer to the question regarding Hell on Wheels: YES! Very good! (Plus... I have a sneaky suspicion the central character is Mal Reynolds great-greatisty-great grandpappy, centuries on down the line... watch a few episodes and let me know if you agree!)

The series is on Netflix now -- at first, I thought it was a Deadwood-wanna-be (and I will always mourn the loss of HBO's Deadwood, almost as much as Firefly), but HoW has gotten increasingly stronger season by season.



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Ok, I'm going to answer again about the Helicopter scene at the end of the movie. The reset:

When I originally saw the film I didn't realize that, once he beat the Omega that everything was as it was prior to the invasion of the aliens.

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I'm a little fuzzy on the timeline myself, but that moment on the bridge was a crucial moment.

JSF's opinions notwithstanding.............

The Rita/Helicopter Death scene: Again the writing. It is here where we come to see just how much Cage cares for Rita. In an attempt to save her, he withholds the keys to the copter. With all his fussing over her, she figures it out. He's trying to hard to have her stay there, because he knows she dies and he can't stop or change it. It here where I think he decides, "I'm not going to find her and go it alone."

And........The attack on London and the middle-name helicopter death of Rita are what turned him around internally, because he has that connection to her and something to fight for.

Agreed. It is that connection that drives him, and so he goes out to reset the day, to save the women he loves.

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Either I am missing your logic our you are missing mine.
Do you agree that 1. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER the helicopter scene?
That 2. London and Bridge scenes occur WITHOUT Rita?
That 3. London and Bridge scenes occur AFTER he had already decided to not meet Rita and advance to that point without her?
That 4. London and Bridge scenes did not have Rita included in those reboots, she was not there, she could not "see the look on his face" or "see how he goes' or whatever?

I don't understand how you think the scene in London or Bridge could trigger him to not meet with Rita, when he is already without Rita in those scenes (and she did not die in those reboots, he would not continue if she had died). I don't currently understand why you would think those scenes would spur him to buckle down and take things seriously, when he had already passed that stage long before.

And, again, can you explain what you meant about your question about the helicopter scene?

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You know something JSF, we may not agree on many things, but anyone who gets into movies to this extent gets my attention and a little respect - at least when it comes to movies.

As you can tell, it is my passion. For me it's the whole package, the storytelling, the visuals or cinematography, direction and acting. So, suffice it to say that I'll be getting the DVD package with all the trimmings. This was a well structured film, despite my little picadillos.


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You know something JSF, we may not agree on many things, but anyone who gets into movies to this extent gets my attention and a little respect - at least when it comes to movies.

As you can tell, it is my passion. For me it's the whole package, the storytelling, the visuals or cinematography, direction and acting. So, suffice it to say that I'll be getting the DVD package with all the trimmings. This was a well structured film, despite my little picadillos.


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Thanks for the explanations, now those items make sense.

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I have not been able to find it showing in any of the budget theaters, not in weeks.
So, when you get it, are you going to have a few repeat loops of "no helmet, it gets in the way" scene? Or do you have a different scene you are more likely to repeat on?
I hope you enjoy it, and I hope I have not ruined your experience of it for you.
Did you also participate in the Inception discussion thread?

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
One of my favorite scenes is when Cage meets the professor, and, after having explained it all to him at first blush, Cage says to "Nice presentation" - I laughed so hard I nearly spit on the guy in front of me in the theater.

And no, you have not ruined it for me. On the contrary, the "discussion" made me appreciate it more, both you and Mal4Prez. Just because we disagree
doesn't mean I didn't enjoy it.

I may have made some comments on Inception, although, I don't remember exactly. Really good movie, maybe even great..........although I've seen it several times, I always catch something new or a different perspective. One thing I can't complain about is that brilliant ending.

Have you seen Cloud Atlas? If not, please do. It is an experience, but I warn you to give it time to wash over you. I grew to love it more each time I've seen it (about 6 times now).


SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
You know something JSF, we may not agree on many things, but anyone who gets into movies to this extent gets my attention and a little respect - at least when it comes to movies.

As you can tell, it is my passion. For me it's the whole package, the storytelling, the visuals or cinematography, direction and acting. So, suffice it to say that I'll be getting the DVD package with all the trimmings. This was a well structured film, despite my little picadillos.


SGG

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
SPOILER ALERT


SPOILER DISCUSSION IN THIS POST





Thanks for the explanations, now those items make sense.

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I have not been able to find it showing in any of the budget theaters, not in weeks.
So, when you get it, are you going to have a few repeat loops of "no helmet, it gets in the way" scene? Or do you have a different scene you are more likely to repeat on?
I hope you enjoy it, and I hope I have not ruined your experience of it for you.
Did you also participate in the Inception discussion thread?

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