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EC, just got back from watching Interstellar. Yes, watching. I did not get the feeling that I was experiencing a film, more like watching a series of attempts to tell a story. Oh, it started out well, but after a few minutes it started to become somewhat forced, the emotion I mean. By the way, that little girl who played McConahey's daughter was the best thing going for this film, even Chastain, who's usually solid, seemed a bit off, but she was better than most. Kudos to the actors who voiced the robots CASE and TARS.


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Now you're arguing about whether a fictional word is spelled correctly even though you knew by the time you posted exactly what the word meant and how it was being used. Talk about gibberish.

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Now you're arguing about whether a fictional word is spelled correctly even though you knew by the time you posted exactly what the word meant and how it was being used. Talk about gibberish.

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Just admit it, it's felgercarb!

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Now you're arguing about whether a fictional word is spelled correctly even though you knew by the time you posted exactly what the word meant and how it was being used. Talk about gibberish.

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LOL! Proof positive --> JSF = Raptard = trollzzzzzzz

Back to real topics: I do plan on seeing Interstellar again in a few weeks. I want to give myself time to forget my first impressions. Then I'll get back to this thread.


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I thought it wasn't the WORST thing I'd seen, nor the BEST. I could have made it better

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That ending. I was, WTF!?

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EC, just got back from watching Interstellar. Yes, watching. I did not get the feeling that I was experiencing a film, more like watching a series of attempts to tell a story. Oh, it started out well, but after a few minutes it started to become somewhat forced, the emotion I mean. By the way, that little girl who played McConahey's daughter was the best thing going for this film, even Chastain, who's usually solid, seemed a bit off, but she was better than most. Kudos to the actors who voiced the robots CASE and TARS.


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Mackenzie Foy. I enjoyed her in Twilight and The Conjuring. She is a Black Belt, watched her take down Jimmy Fallon before seeing the film. Her performance here reminded me of Elle Fanning in Super8.

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I went to see it again yesterday, so I guess I'm a masochist.

Last week I would have invited my brother-in-law to see it since he is the only one I know who also likes SF movies, books too. But he and my sister were out of town. Then he calls me and asks if I wanted to go, I told him I had already seen it and wouldn't waste more money on it, but he was paying. I couldn't convince him to see Birdman instead, so I'll see that one later on in the week.

He is usually the one who nitpicks things that I like, and yet he was much more impressed with Interstellar than I was. I still admit it has some great visual set pieces, but the story is woefully thin.

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I had some vague plan to see it again so I could cement my opinion, but I really don't think I can handle the length. Was it hard to take a second viewing SGG?

I read an article about how they layered the sound differently than most movies, so I am kind of curious about that. I do recall liking the sound. (Yay for a silent explosion in space!) And those visuals were so good. OK, I might get drawn back into the theater if it stays up for a while.

Or... I could just veer into the theater waaaaay upstairs in the Times Square AMC where Guardians is still playing. It was last week, anyway. Hunger Games might bump it out this weekend.



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From http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=felgercarb

Felgercarb! A space aged swearword, originally from Battlestar Galactica back in the 70's. I've been saying it since about 1980. I bet we hear it in the new Battlestar Galactica movie.

"Oh Felgercarb! I think another one of those singing cylons is on my 6. No wait, that's Lipps, Inc., singing funkytown!"

From http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Felgercarb_%28TOS%29
(the original series)

Felgercarb is a euphemism for "crap" in the Colonial vernacular. The appeal of the word "felgercarb" would seem to extend across the lines of culture and species, as Lucifer uses the term several times in "The Young Lords."

An alternate spelling is "feldergarb"[1]

From http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/Felgercarb_%28RDM%29
(the new series)

Felgercarb is a brand of toothpaste from Tauron. The last remaining tube of it in the known universe is offered as reward by Starbuck to any flight crew that discovers a habitable planet (Someone to Watch Over Me).

-- just so JSFRap's head doesn't explode, as it is wont to do.

From http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/wont?s=t

wont [wawnt, wohnt, wuhnt]

adjective
1.accustomed; used (usually followed by an infinitive): He was wont to rise at dawn.

noun
2.custom; habit; practice: It was her wont to walk three miles before breakfast.

verb (used with object), wont, wont or wonted, wonting.
3.to accustom (a person), as to a thing: That summer wonted me to a lifetime of early rising.



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I noticed they strongly connect time and gravity, where the gravity singularity is also - or due to - the time singularity, where all time is one, or in the same place. I don't recall other works using this connection in this way - they seemed to stress the time is causing the gravity singularity, thus crushing pressure/gravity is not apparently an issue. Anybody else seen this concept fleshed out in this way before?


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What was the one big paradox remaining?

I noticed they strongly connect time and gravity, where the gravity singularity is also - or due to - the time singularity, where all time is one, or in the same place. I don't recall other works using this connection in this way - they seemed to stress the time is causing the gravity singularity, thus crushing pressure/gravity is not apparently an issue. Anybody else seen this concept fleshed out in this way before?

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Thanks, I saw that Jimmy Fallon episode, but good pick up on Super 8 and Elle Fanning. That young lady has Jennifer Lawrence type talent at her young age. So I'm with you on that one - both are very talented (performances are seamless).


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What was the one big paradox remaining?

I noticed they strongly connect time and gravity, where the gravity singularity is also - or due to - the time singularity, where all time is one, or in the same place. I don't recall other works using this connection in this way - they seemed to stress the time is causing the gravity singularity, thus crushing pressure/gravity is not apparently an issue. Anybody else seen this concept fleshed out in this way before?

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SGG may have inadvertently implied this as his post, instead of mine from 13 November.

I had thought most space-time theories included gravity as an integral factor. I just had not seen film show the relationship so much as here, and I felt the assumed cause-effect relationship was reversed for Interstellar.

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Thanks, I saw that Jimmy Fallon episode, but good pick up on Super 8 and Elle Fanning. That young lady has Jennifer Lawrence type talent at her young age. So I'm with you on that one - both are very talented (performances are seamless).


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I felt that Chloe Grace Morentz stole the show in Kick Ass, but it was of different quality than Elle (Super 8) and Mackenzie (Interstellar).

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It is my belief that Elle Fanning will win an Oscar in her lifetime, she's that good. But I agree that Chloe stole Kick-Ass without breaking a sweat, and this with Nick Cage doing a HI-larious Adam West impression - that's talent.

My fav scene was when the baddies had Big Daddy and Kick-Ass tied up and she comes to the rescue. The moment she wraps her cape around his burning body, you could sense her emotion at losing her mentor, but more importantly her dad. She stopped momentarily and through her mask you could sense her grief for all of a few seconds, then his tough little girl carried on. That was such a poignant scene for both Chloe/Hit-Girl, and it was not easy to carry off after all that action. It is very subtle, but it was there nonetheless.

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blah blah childish bickering

Anyhow...

The big plot hole: How did humans escape their dead Earth the first time around? If humans hadn't gone through the wormhole because no humans had yet gone through it and been able to send their BDH Matthew M into the blackhole and so do all the science that let them get to the wormhole and survive long enough to, in the far future, create the wormhole...

How was the wormhole there the first time through the timeline?

Major plot fail there. Really big. You didn't see it JSF?

Moron.

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It's a much bigger plot hole that a watch somehow was programmed to repeat what must have been an incredibly long morse code message just by pushing the second hand. Watches don't work that way and I imagine it would be about as difficult as creating a wormhole for us to create an analog watch that size that could repeat such a long message.

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First, Cooper was guessing that humans made the time construct thing that allowed him to communicate with Murphy. Second, even if he's right it's not a plot hole. They clearly showed Dr. Brand took the fertilized eggs and started a colony. It's not much of a stretch to imagine those people would hear stories from Dr. Brand about Earth and the mission that led to the founding of their colony. If they some day figured out a way to intervene and help save Earth it would make sense that they'd take action.

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First, Cooper was guessing that humans made the time construct thing that allowed him to communicate with Murphy. Second, even if he's right it's not a plot hole. They clearly showed Dr. Brand took the fertilized eggs and started a colony. It's not much of a stretch to imagine those people would hear stories from Dr. Brand about Earth and the mission that led to the founding of their colony. If they some day figured out a way to intervene and help save Earth it would make sense that they'd take action.

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Hole not filled. Maybe you don't understand what I was saying, which isn't surprising because it's hard to explain clearly. (The previous not meant in a bitchy way.) The wormhole must exist first. Without it, the eggs have never gone to the colony. They can't have grown into future humans. So they don't exist to create the wormhole.

There has to be a source for the wormhole that does not depend on the existence of the wormhole. There is no other way.

A better wank, though it ruins much plot, is that a batch of eggs (or regular old humans) is sent out on a sub-light speed ship. In the many many millennia it takes them to reach the black hole, they evolve into Uber-Einstein's and so are able to build the wormhole. They sit back and watch their ancestors come through (Hi mom and dad!) and help our hero reach out to his daughter through the mega-info sharing watch (I agree, weak plot there). I like this, that a separate branch of humans have essentially become Gods to us.

It takes away the plot twist of daddy scientist (I've forgotten all the names) secretly carrying out plan B, but the movie could have been improved by having less plot.

Anyway, a big question for me while watching the movie was: who threw us poor humans the life-line in the form of the worm hole? My interpretation of the answer was: "We sent the lifeline to ourselves via our hero and his love for his daughter..." though I could be wrong. (Haven't watched the video above yet.)

If that really is the plot, then blech. Too Hollywood. Not logical. Big fail for a movie claiming to be all science-y.


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First, Cooper was guessing that humans made the time construct thing that allowed him to communicate with Murphy. Second, even if he's right it's not a plot hole. They clearly showed Dr. Brand took the fertilized eggs and started a colony. It's not much of a stretch to imagine those people would hear stories from Dr. Brand about Earth and the mission that led to the founding of their colony. If they some day figured out a way to intervene and help save Earth it would make sense that they'd take action.

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Hole not filled. Maybe you don't understand what I was saying, which isn't surprising because it's hard to explain clearly. (The previous not meant in a bitchy way.) The wormhole must exist first. Without it, the eggs have never gone to the colony. They can't have grown into future humans. So they don't exist to create the wormhole.

There has to be a source for the wormhole that does not depend on the existence of the wormhole. There is no other way.

A better wank, though it ruins much plot, is that a batch of eggs (or regular old humans) is sent out on a sub-light speed ship. In the many many millennia it takes them to reach the black hole, they evolve into Uber-Einstein's and so are able to build the wormhole. They sit back and watch their ancestors come through (Hi mom and dad!) and help our hero reach out to his daughter through the mega-info sharing watch (I agree, weak plot there). I like this, that a separate branch of humans have essentially become Gods to us.

It takes away the plot twist of daddy scientist (I've forgotten all the names) secretly carrying out plan B, but the movie could have been improved by having less plot.

Anyway, a big question for me while watching the movie was: who threw us poor humans the life-line in the form of the worm hole? My interpretation of the answer was: "We sent the lifeline to ourselves via our hero and his love for his daughter..." though I could be wrong. (Haven't watched the video above yet.)

If that really is the plot, then blech. Too Hollywood. Not logical. Big fail for a movie claiming to be all science-y.

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I assume you mean the magic blackhole construct thingamabob had to exist first because that's how Cooper ended up on the mission. I sorta wank that away by thinking he still could have ended up on the mission by different means in an alternate "first" timeline. I mean we already know professor Brand knows him and thinks highly of his piloting skills. Maybe he seeks Cooper out the first time.

I think the "real" explanation is that "they" are 5 dimensional beings and all time happens at once for them. There is no causality in 5 dimensional space. So, there's no paradox of how something happened before something else.

Not that I buy that. Our world does have causality. Those 5 dimensional beings had to come from somewhere. I think the best most logical explanation is that Cooper was just wrong. Humans didn't create the black hole whatsit. It was aliens and they kicked off events in the initial timeline that got Cooper on the mission. Then he changed the timeline when he got into the blackhole.

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When humans travel to other systems, other worlds, where are these aliens?


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More Hollywood.

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Hollywood is easy to understand.

This scene is pure Hollywood: "What happens when Dr Mann opens the airlock?" Cooper asks. TARS the robot answers, "Nothing good." What the hell! A real astronaut Cooper would have commanded TARS to amplify that, something like: "Tell me more or I'll rip your arm off and beat you to death with it." But . . .

Cooper didn't give the order because TARS's answer would destroy the movie's suspense about what happens next to the evil Dr Mann. Cooper is not acting like a real astronaut with a working brain. He is always the Nolan Brothers' puppet. The Nolans want Cooper to get out of the way so that Dr Mann can monologue himself to death about his duty to all Mann-kind, then step on the booby-trap and kill himself, ridding the movie of an annoyingly sanctimonious character.

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There are all manner of scenarios where we'd need to get out of here. . . .

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Interstellar paints its picture of a doomed Earth but never explains why super-physicists can save us by evicting us into space but super-biologists are powerless to save us on Earth. If it is possible, as the film’s ending posits, to create majestically perfect space colonies through the wonder of physics controlling gravity, why is it impossible to build (sealed) terrestrial colonies upon the Earth? Because frankly, being in space changes nothing here: if you can’t build sustainable self-contained colonies on the Earth's surface, you’re not going to be able to build them in space either.

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There is a simple and straightforward way to avoid all politics and have an interesting story that does not destroy life on Earth in the process.

I think the Nolan Brothers should have ditched the idea that secretly NASA is going Interstellar. It should not be a secret, but no sane & trustworthy pilots want to go on what has, repeatedly, been a suicide mission for other astronauts. NASA comes to Cooper, asking him to be the next pilot. NASA keeps that secret because the public hates it when NASA kills astronauts.

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Nobody in his family wants Cooper to go, certainly not Murphy, not Cooper's son, not Grandpa. Only Cooper wants to go and he abandons his family, who never expect to see him again. But . . . Cooper returns with the most amazing story. And anti-gravity.


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The underlying theme that he had to go, and was willing to sacrifice it all, to save his family is what they were going for, obviously. He never wanted to 'abandon' them, but he did want them to survive. Even if he wasn't there to see them.

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Clearly they are no where, because they don't exist in the movie's plot. ;)

In my wank, I imagine them having lived on one of the several other possibly habitable worlds the movie didn't visit. Or maybe they even lived on the tidal ocean world, but our hero doesn't see them because they haven't landed yet. Think about it! They get there the slow way, then get smart and figure out how to get their ancestors there quickly, by sending a wormhole back in time.

Hmm. So maybe after the rescued humans get out there, they'll continue their civilization for a bazillion years until their timeline catches up with my fanwank early escape from Earth...

There are paradoxes with this, but for me it's a far more interesting twist of the timeline than the heavy-handed uber-emotional crap the movie went with. I mean, really. The inner structure of a BH and survival of the human race is completely centered on one man's love for his daughter?

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I found this to be another plot fail, or maybe I misunderstood the ending. I thought that our hero saw his elderly daughter, then headed back out for a reunion with Anne Hathaway and all the eggs. I got the idea she was waiting for them all to arrive. But is she not time shifted at all? And why does our hero get 2 minutes with the daughter he bent space and time for, then suddenly it's like - oh well. Done with that. Blah. Guess he's more into a loving reunion with the astronaut who loved another man we know nothing about.

More Hollywood.

Although, I freely admit I could be completely misunderstanding it. I will see the movie again eventually and see if I can make progress.


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- for some reason I have become less critical of movies in general. Not sure why or when it happened. I think it finally dawned on me that I will never make a film so who am I to criticize? Sometimes I'm just grateful that we have people like Nolan taking these chances and risking utter public failure. That's just me though.

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