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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
I heard about this movie months ago, but there was a delay in the release and I couldn't find many details. Finally saw a full teaser before The Hobbit today, an expanded IMAX version of this:

I am prepared to be horribly disappointed because I am sooooo looking forward to this movie. More than is practical. More than I have any movie for quite some time. Jupiter Ascending has potential to break the mold the way that The Matrix did back in 99. But then Matrix 2 and 3 were so bad...

Will Jupiter live up to the promise of the preview, or are the Wachowskis one hit wonders who lost their way?

I'll check in again in Feb 2015. Not so far away.

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Originally posted by mal4prez:
Thanks for the reminder re Cloud Atlas. I've been meaning to see it and keep forgetting. I've heard its good.

The Hobbit was quite good, I thought. Visually stunning, of course, but I think it's even better than previous Tolkien movies. They draw in Angmar, which makes me wondering if they're setting up more movies drawn from the Simarillion. I hope so!

I won't say any more about the Hobbit until more people have a chance to see it.

Jupiter Ascending, though. Wow, eye candy galore in the teaser! Looked real good on the IMAX screen. Can't wait!


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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Your welcome. I have been singing it's praises ever since I first laid eyes on it. Cloud Atlas, IMHO, is damn near a masterpiece, but underappreciated.
But, I must warn you, it will take you a couple of viewings to experience the intricate and interwoven stories.

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Your welcome. I have been singing it's praises ever since I first laid eyes on it. Cloud Atlas, IMHO, is damn near a masterpiece, but underappreciated.
But, I must warn you, it will take you a couple of viewings to experience the intricate and interwoven stories.

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I bought the DVD. Less than 5 minutes into it I had to hit pause to tell you: I'm hooked already. Love how it's jumping around! I've tried to avoid knowing anything about this movie, but I'm gonna guess right now that I will be watching this one over and over.

Despite the presence of Tom Hanks. *shudder* ;)



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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
Merry Christmas

Your partner in crime

SGG

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Originally posted by MAL4PREZ:
Haven't found any more depth in Cloud Atlas. Sorry. Just doesn't do it for me.

Back to the topic: saw Jupiter Ascending today.

Gorgeous! Beautiful! Eye candy! Pretty!

Also: stupid. Incredibly shallow and predictable and stupid. Had no heart or soul.

Glad I saw it, won't see it again.

Someday someone will put all this insane **pretty** together with a plot that is interesting and surprising and, what's more, will present it as something more than a Disney roller coaster. I was soooo bored with the action sequences in this movie. EoT and GotG were 100x the worth of this movie, probably with 1/1000 of the FX budget.

It's still really damned pretty.


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Originally posted by AURaptor:
If I want to be visually wowed by a movie, hell, I'll just go see some random IMAX flick.

But that's not what I want to go see when I think of sci-fi drama. I want some semblance of a STORY too. Hell, this makes John Carter seem like one of the first Star Wars movies.

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Originally posted by OLDGUY:
ok...so the credits roll, the lights come up , and before I can catch myself, out of my mouth, in a loud voice I hear... "BOY DID THAT SUCK!"

sorry.. i just wasn't quick enough.

so:
1) As expected, heavy use of the CGI servers..and some of it was great
2) Total failure to develop characters that could have been so much more
3) Typical of the Wachowski movie making..it was tediously long on fight/chase scenes that sucked up precious time that could have been used on story plot, character dev.
4) i didn't realize it was an LGBT flick..my bad....
5) Mila met my every expectation..which for the record was really really low.
6) pointy ears?...seriously..did they raid Universal Studios for leftovers from Teen Wolf and old Star Trek props?

save your money kiddos.....really...trust me on this...seriously....go watch some Fireballs XL5 marionette reruns or something...LOL

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
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Although I liked that little plot contrivance about harvesting the Earth. Everybody into the gene pool! The W's have this thing about abusing the mass production of humankind, very sci-fi, but if done wrong, it could be very bad sci-fi. I wonder if the W's got together with the guy who wrote the script for Prometheus.


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Other than dating Kutcher, I was not sure if it was possible to make Mila unadorable. This proves it is possible.

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Although I liked that little plot contrivance about harvesting the Earth. Everybody into the gene pool! The W's have this thing about abusing the mass production of humankind, very sci-fi, but if done wrong, it could be very bad sci-fi. I wonder if the W's got together with the guy who wrote the script for Prometheus.


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How could you not reference The Matrix?

There is much negative here.
Can anybody think of or share positive parts of the film, in case some haven't seen it and want to know if it has anything worthwhile, even if not spectacular?

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
I would have sworn I posted a link to my review in this thread, but my only comment here was when I said I was going to wait for it to hit the discount theater. They've changed their policy, and now on Tuesdays all tickets are just 50¢. Even that was too much, and I wanted to ask for a refund.

http://templetongate.net/jupiterascending.htm

Speaking of 50¢, he's probably a better actor than Channing.

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
I would have sworn I posted a link to my review in this thread, but my only comment here was when I said I was going to wait for it to hit the discount theater. They've changed their policy, and now on Tuesdays all tickets are just 50¢. Even that was too much, and I wanted to ask for a refund.

http://templetongate.net/jupiterascending.htm

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

The concept/premise was the one positive, along with the visuals, that I got from this mess. We are, Earth and humans, but a speck in the grand scheme of things, a miniscule dot in the vastness of the universe

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
I guess we agree on something -

"Other than dating Kutcher, I was not sure if it was possible to make Mila unadorable. This proves it is possible."

I'm not a Kutcher fan and I feel she can do much better, and yes, otherwise, she is adorable. The script and direction were wishy-washy, to say the least. Mila is a gifted actress and this was the one poor film choice she has made in her carefully crafted career.

So I give her a pass on this one. Even when the movie she was in was halfway decent, her portrayals were always spot on. So put one in the loss column and prep the divorce papers (Kutcher is bound to screw up again).
Mila, nothing personal, I just think that Ashton is a scumbag. Just saying.


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I started watching Craig Ferguson based upon posts here about his 2nd or 3rd interview of Nathan.
When Craig did his on the road show in Scotland, he included the always adorable Ariel Tweeto plus Mila. She was adorable, and game, and it will be hard for me to think poorly of her as long as I can recall those shows. But she is making an effort to exceed that threshold.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I thought the human harvesting angle, not fully fleshed out, was a lame ripoff of the final scenes of Men in Black.

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I started watching Craig Ferguson based upon posts here about his 2nd or 3rd interview of Nathan.
When Craig did his on the road show in Scotland, he included the always adorable Ariel Tweeto plus Mila. She was adorable, and game, and it will be hard for me to think poorly of her as long as I can recall those shows. But she is making an effort to exceed that threshold.

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I looked for Mila Kunis and Craig Ferguson - Late Late Show in Scotland Glasgow Necropolis 5/14/2012. Mila and Craig are fun.

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You know where the Wachowskis got the idea for Jupiter Descending of squeezing people for their life-force? They got it from The Matrix. People in the Matrix are batteries for the Machines!

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When I saw the movie for the first time, I thought that the people in the Matrix did not know the real reason why the Machines running Earth kept billions of people alive, so people imagined a goofy myth about people = battery to explain. That was very smart scriptwriting to not waste movie time on exposition. People = battery was strictly a metaphor about the real reason for Machines to serve billions of people. But it wasn't a metaphor for the Wachowskis. It was the real reason.

Matrix 2 and 3 proved that the Wachowskis never, never, never understood that calories in food will make far more electricity by burning the food in a furnace or a fuel cell than feeding calories to people. They took an ignorant idea from two sequels to their best movie, twisted it to make it new for Jupiter Descending and give the audience of their last movie the life-force being squeezed out of people. Jupiter Descending stinks because the Wachowskis's scriptwriting is still trapped inside Matrix 2 & 3.

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I considered some part of the battery explanation to be missing. You seem to be equating "battery" to not be an energy storage device but instead a power plant. That view seems far more lacking than the W's. Batteries provide much more than just energy - there is a stability provided, and a residual power in case of reduced fuel supply - starve them on alternating days to stretch the food, but not kill the battery. Many vehicles require a battery to be connected because of the load provided, which stabilizes the power generation.

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I considered some part of the battery explanation to be missing. You seem to be equating "battery" to not be an energy storage device but instead a power plant. That view seems far more lacking than the W's. Batteries provide much more than just energy - there is a stability provided, and a residual power in case of reduced fuel supply - starve them on alternating days to stretch the food, but not kill the battery. Many vehicles require a battery to be connected because of the load provided, which stabilizes the power generation.

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In the here and now, people are not used as batteries because there are already myriad better ways to store electricity. In the future, the Machines will not ignore this pretty good existing battery technology and switch to weird & unproven human battery technology simply to please the Wachowskis. Unless the Machines know even less about building batteries than the Wachowskis. Then anything imaginable, no matter how stupid, could happen in the Matrix.

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The Wachowskis, perhaps more than any other filmmakers, suffer from the pains of being pure at heart.

They make cinema that is so genuine and jaw-droppingly sincere that it can't help but skew right into most people's "this is corny" territory. It's like the siblings have no radar for it. They may not even know the meaning of the word. As such, their big, loving ideas come onto the screen completely undistilled by cynicism. To boot, they are about as subtle as a jackhammer. Even if they regularly confuse their metaphors, they are so committed to youthful notions of idealism that their characters act as if they hold the one true will of god in their hands. Meaning it's characters who believe in peace / love / truth and will fight the whole world with kewl kung fu to prove how much peace / love / truth they have (which is often hypocritical, but, hey. That's genre, really). But if hulk had one creative standard of all filmmakers, it is the request that one's cinema be honest to what it really wants, what it really believes, and what it's really saying.

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I considered some part of the battery explanation to be missing. You seem to be equating "battery" to not be an energy storage device but instead a power plant. That view seems far more lacking than the W's. Batteries provide much more than just energy - there is a stability provided, and a residual power in case of reduced fuel supply - starve them on alternating days to stretch the food, but not kill the battery. Many vehicles require a battery to be connected because of the load provided, which stabilizes the power generation.

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In the here and now, people are not used as batteries because there are already myriad better ways to store electricity. In the future, the Machines will not ignore this pretty good existing battery technology and switch to weird & unproven human battery technology simply to please the Wachowskis. Unless the Machines know even less about building batteries than the Wachowskis. Then anything imaginable, no matter how stupid, could happen in the Matrix.

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Originally posted by Wishimay:
Ok, we finally got this movie and had time to sit and watch it.

I get why people were miffed, it's basically a rip-off of every sci-fi movie...ever. If I was paying money for it, I might have been disappointed, but since it was Netflix- it was perfect. Cute, cheesy, visually interesting ....comic book entertainment.

I think people were also expecting some grandiose ending about the future of humanity, and all you get is "Ok, go back to work now."

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