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Hollywood's Abysmal 2024 in Numbers

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Monday, July 1, 2024 5:47 PM

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A Mid-Year breakdown of the Top 10 flicks worldwide in 2024 vs. End-of-Year 2023.

2023 Top 10 (Full Year):

Place / Movie Title / Worldwide Gross
1 Barbie - $1,432,340,485
2 The Super Mario Bros. Movie - $1,361,553,421
3 Oppenheimer - $976,120,348
4 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 - $845,468,744
5 Fast X - $714,567,285
6 Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse - $681,222,435
7 Man Jiang Hóng (CHINA) - $634,631,282
8 Wonka - $629,037,798
9 The Little Mermaid - $568,345,048
10 Mission: Impossible Dead Reckoning Part One - $566,644,143

2024 Top 10 (First Half of Year):

Place / Movie Title / Worldwide Gross
1 Inside Out 2 - $1,014,926,251
2 Dune: Part Two - $710,865,636
3 Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire - $569,907,104
4 Kung Fu Panda 4 - $545,608,913
5 YOLO (CHINA) - $479,597,304
6 Pegasus 2 (CHINA) - $469,847,217
7 Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes - $387,434,301
8 Article 20 (CHINA) - $339,663,274
9 Bad Boys: Ride or Die - $331,957,666
10 Boonie Bears:Time Twist (CHINA) - $276,297,758


Notable Mentions:

1. In 2023, only one Chinese movie (or non US movie period) made the Top 10. Man Jiang Hóng did not play at all in the US and still managed 7th place worldwide for the year.

2. In the first half of 2023, 4 Chinese movies remain on the Top 10 list. Two of them are close to half a Billion dollars and could very well stay on the Worldwide Top 10 list when the year closes. Boonie Bears at 10th place will be off the list shortly after Despicable Me comes out next weekend. I'm pretty sure there's no way that Article 20 (8th place) would survive on the Top 10 through August.

3. Worldwide 2023 Top 10 total gross was $8,409,930,989. Worldwide 2023 Top 10 total gross for only US movies in the Top 10 was $7,775,299,707.

4. Worldwide 2024 Top 10 total gross so far is 5,126,105,424. Worldwide 2024 Top 10 Total gross for only US movies in the Top ten is only $3,560,699,871.

Keep in mind that these aren't Cumulative numbers that are going to improve just because there is half a year left. In order for either of these numbers to grow further, it requires new movies coming out that top the list and push other movies off the list so they're not counted anymore.

The only real benefit to this for anyone is the US Box Office when they do make anything that will displace any of the current 4 Chinese movies off the Top 10 and/or prevents new Chinese releases from making the Top 10 list.





Now, a look at budgets and actual money made or lost on these...



2023 Top 10 (Full Year):


Place / Movie Title / Worldwide Gross / Budget / Gross Profit
1 Barbie - $1,432,340,485 / $151,000,000 / $1,054,840,485
2 The Super Mario Bros. Movie - $1,361,553,421 / $100,000,000 / $1,111,553,421
3 Oppenheimer - $976,120,348 / $100,000,000 / $726,120,348
4 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 - $845,468,744 / $220,468,744
5 Fast X - $714,567,285 / $340,000,000 / (-$135,432,715)
6 Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse - $681,222,435 / $100,000,000 / $431,222,435
7 Man Jiang Hóng (CHINA) - $634,631,282 / $72,200,000* / $454,131,282
8 Wonka - $629,037,798 / $125,000,000 / $316,537,798
9 The Little Mermaid - $568,345,048 / $250,000,000 / (-$56,654,952)
10 Mission: Impossible Dead Reckoning Part One - $566,644,143 / $290,000,000 / (-$158,355,857)

Total 2023 Top 10 Gross Profit: $3,964,430,989
Total 2023 Gross Profit for US Movies in the Top 10: $3,510,299,707

2024 Top 10 (First Half of Year):

Place / Movie Title / Worldwide Gross / Budget / Gross Profit
1 Inside Out 2 - $1,014,926,251 / $200,000,000 / $514,926,251
2 Dune: Part Two - $710,865,636 / $190,000,000 / $235,865,636
3 Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire - $569,907,104 / $135,000,000 / $232,407,104
4 Kung Fu Panda 4 - $545,608,913 / $85,000,000 / $333,108,913
5 YOLO (CHINA) - $479,597,304 / $100,000,000* / $229,597,304
6 Pegasus 2 (CHINA) - $469,847,217 / Unknown** / $219,847,217
7 Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes - $387,434,301 / $160,000,000 / (-$12,565,699)
8 Article 20 (CHINA) - $339,663,274 / Unknown** / $89,663,274
9 Bad Boys: Ride or Die - $331,957,666 / $100,000,000 / $81,957,666
10 Boonie Bears:Time Twist (CHINA) - $276,297,758 / Unknown** / $26,297,758

Total 2024 Top 10 Gross Profit: $1,951,105,424
Total 2024 Gross Profit for US Movies in the Top 10: $1,385,699,871



*Sources for Chinese Movie Budgets (may not reflect reality at all, honestly):

Man Jiang Hóng (2023): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_River_Red
YOLO (2024): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YOLO_(film)

** And that's it... China didn't even report any of the other movie butgets anywhere. So I'm just attributing the $100 Million budget from YOLO to all of them. If China disagrees with me, they're completely free to put that info out there and correct the record.

It's probably safe to do that though. China spent over $72 Million on Man Jiang Hóng last year, and $100 Million on YOLO this year, so it appears they probably aren't much smarter than Hollywood is about budgets.





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Tuesday, July 23, 2024 5:43 PM

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crashed and its not just costs or scripts or retired actors or inflation

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Tuesday, July 23, 2024 5:45 PM

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I bet none of these people are voting for Joe Biden* a 2nd time.


Will California continue to vote Radical Left

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Tuesday, July 23, 2024 5:47 PM

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People are craving a Gladiator sequel in 2024 just as much as they're craving a Twister sequel, and if Gladiator carried the same $200 Million price tag that Twisters did, they're just going to lose more money.

Joker 2 will be fine if they kept the budget low.


another for the Predictions thread?

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Tuesday, July 23, 2024 5:49 PM

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Hollywood is dead...



Why Hollywood Is Dying



'Nobody goes to the movies anymore': Hollywood is now 'dead'



Hollywood is Dying. What Happened?




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Tuesday, July 23, 2024 8:53 PM

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

People are craving a Gladiator sequel in 2024 just as much as they're craving a Twister sequel, and if Gladiator carried the same $200 Million price tag that Twisters did, they're just going to lose more money.

Joker 2 will be fine if they kept the budget low.


another for the Predictions thread?


Sure. I got the Twisters one right already, despite the false media hype surrounding it, including by people who should know better.

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Wednesday, July 24, 2024 6:34 AM

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Wednesday, July 24, 2024 7:02 AM

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Awwwwwwwwww...

We're back down to $90 a share, huh?

What happened to that rally?




They currently have a movie that's going to gross over $1.5 Billion, making it the most profitable movie in the last 3 years even over Top Gun: Maverick, yet their stock has dropped $12 per share since Inside Out 2's release date.

I guess it's nice to have one big win when everything else you're doing is failing all around you. Not that it's doing them much good, apparently.

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Wednesday, July 24, 2024 3:17 PM

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Whoops... we're back under $90 a share today.

It would appear the fact that IO2 has already out-grossed Barbie and is only 2 or 3 days away from out-grossing Top Gun: Maverick is not doing anything to impress the Market.

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Thursday, July 25, 2024 6:35 AM

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https://www.giantfreakinrobot.com/ent/chris-pine-star-trek-2.html

According to Chris Pine, the core audience for those Kelvinverse films were “the diehards,” and he said (channeling Star Trek fans everywhere) that Paramount should focus more on making films that appeal to those hardcore fans rather than “trying to please people who don’t want to see what we do.”

While he didn’t get into the gritty details, it sounds like he is calling out Paramount for doing things like making every cinematic Trek adventure a breathless action film when this is a franchise built on more mellow concepts like exploration, understanding, and philosophy.

The Stakes Are Too High

Before you write off all of Chris Pine’s thoughts here as simple pandering or pie-in-the-sky hopes, you should know that he is very clear-eyed about the problems facing Star Trek and other major Hollywood franchises.

He pointed out Hollywood’s obsession with making big-budget blockbusters, saying that it takes “half a billion dollars to make these films that you like” (we’re assuming he’s counting the cost of marketing into this).

These huge production costs mean that “for it to be considered successful and everyone to be paid back, you have to make extraordinary amounts of money.”

Chris Pine seems to think Paramount has backed themselves into a corner with Star Trek films, embracing the mentality that each one of them needs to have a budget big enough to make Quark’s eyes bulge out.

Then, because of the outsized budget, there is the perceived need to make the film appeal to as many people as humanly possible. The end result is the worst of both worlds: a film that appeals neither to general audiences nor franchise diehards and simply flops.

Perhaps reading our minds (maybe Chris Pine has picked up some mild telepathy from starring alongside Star Trek’s most famous Vulcan for so long), the actor proposed a simple solution for Paramount.

“I think we just make a much smaller film that’s more story-driven, more character-based, there’s less sh*t exploding…Also shoot it on film, not digital. And then you have the fanbase.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, July 25, 2024 2:11 PM

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Good for you, Chris.

It's too bad you're such a good looking guy. You're on the wrong side of the cameras here.

You're smart enough to recognize one of the biggest problems in the industry though... Years after we've been saying it, but way before the people on the other side of the camera have figured it out.

You've got clout and you're an actor. Why don't you just wear a $10k suit one day and walk into one of those board meetings like you own the place and lay it all down for them?

SPOILER ALERT: They all make a lot more money than you do. You could be even richer if you were sitting in one of those seats.

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Thursday, July 25, 2024 2:15 PM

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I don't think Horizon: An American Saga Chapter 1 is going to make the $125 Million it needs to break even.

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Horizon-An-American-Saga-Chapter-1-(
2024)#tab=summary

I don't think we're going to see a second chapter to this saga. I hope it wasn't a cliffhanger.

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Monday, July 29, 2024 6:47 AM

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I'll never understand why Disney is so focused on live-action remakes when they literally own the rights to the Muppets. I would take a Muppet remake of a Disney Animation classic over a live-action remake all day every day.

Muppet Beauty and the Beast where the Beast is played by the only human actor and he turns into a Muppet at the end.

The Beast should be a conventionally attractive actor whom the Muppet townspeople continually call hideous until true love releases him from this curse and he shows true beauty - blue felt and plastic eyes.

https://ckerouac.tumblr.com/post/682548887514464256/ill-never-understa
nd-why-disney-is-so-focused-on

Upcoming Disney live-action remakes of cartoons:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disney_live-action_adaptations_a
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, July 29, 2024 2:00 PM

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That Muppet idea is actually really good.

But the fact that Disney owns it is the problem.

Jim Henson was the soul of the Muppets. Disney is a soulless corporation. A black hole where creativity goes to die.

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Thursday, August 1, 2024 6:42 AM

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a terrible star t then Dune part 2 did ok and now can Hollywood studios finish strong and make money?

'France' earning used to be important for overseas money but maybe not anymore, Japan was always slow but overseas box office has also returned, there is China market, Australia market, Brazil, S. Korea, Argentina, Italy, Spain many other places to make money overseas.

I think the French used to be about a 2 Billion market, years back France easily was 3rd or 4th in the world. Then China, South Korea, Germany, Japan started to beat France, even Australia and Mexico numbers compare to France...Russia of course is 'out' under sanctions.

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Thursday, August 1, 2024 1:30 PM

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a terrible star then Dune part 2 did ok and now can Hollywood studios finish strong and make money?


That's a loaded question. Hollywood isn't just a singularity.

2023 was not good, especially when comparing the production budgets to the worldwide gross overall, but it was better than 2024 by comparison.

That being said, Disney alone lost somewhere in the area of $2 Billion in 2023. I believe the "official" count the last time I updated that list was just over $1.8 Billion, but it's since come out that The Marvels, Indy 5 and The Little Mermaid all had higher production budgets than were initially stated and Bruce has those new figures up on the-numbers. It's quite possible they actually lost over $2 Billion with those updated budget figures.

And I believe that Universal conversely made somewhere around $2 Billion profit in 2023. WB despite all of its comic book flops had Barbie and Wonka and a few others and still managed a respectable 2023 take. Not everyone was a loser in 2023 for sure.

*I really should take some time and get around to completing that 2023 list now that we're in August of 2024.

Disney's only released 2 movies this year (if you're not including 20th century fox or searchlight), and they're probably going to make $2 Billion in profit on those two movies alone. Universal, on the other hand, has had quite a bit of bad news this year so far. Although Despicable Me 4 will cover a lot of their losses. I really don't know where they stand at all at the moment.

As for 2024, I really have no idea what those standings would be. AFAIK, nobody else presents the data in the way that I did last year, so I would have to spend at least an entire day gathering all of that data and making this years list up to date in my spreadsheets, and then another day or two converting those spreadsheets into charts for people to see here. (That is really a HUGE pain because of how dated this site is).


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'France' earning used to be important for overseas money but maybe not anymore, Japan was always slow but overseas box office has also returned, there is China market, Australia market, Brazil, S. Korea, Argentina, Italy, Spain many other places to make money overseas.


It all depends on the movie, I guess. Some movies aren't doing squat overseas this year while other movies are doing gangbusters.

I've seen you mention the "France Factor" twice this week. Do you have any proof of that? I'm not saying that you're wrong, but with all the work I've done gathering data on movies over the last year and a half it's something that never jumped out at me before. But I never was doing any country by country breakdowns, so there would really have been no reason for me to know this.

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Thursday, August 15, 2024 6:21 AM

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Borderlands

Total domestic gross stands at $10.24M. it is now one of the Biggest Flops in History?

https://x.com/BORReport/status/1823804812561146060

Borderlands DISASTER Gets Even WORSE Biggest FLOP Of The Year!




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Thursday, August 15, 2024 10:11 AM

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I hear that poor kid was in the Acolyte too.

The only thing I've seen of her was the Borderlands trailer.

If she's actually a good actress, she's going to have a hard time crawling out from those two holes in the future.

I just got the bad news that Eternals isn't getting a sequel and they will not return. That's 10 needlessly "diverse" roles that won't need a refill.

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Saturday, August 17, 2024 12:04 PM

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The Aliens movies should do well.

Though I have just about zero interest in watching it, I think at a budget of only $80 Million it's going to leave people wondering where all these other movies spending $100 to $250 Million or more are putting that money.

I think it easily gets back 100% of the budget this weekend, probably making closer to 150%.

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Friday, August 23, 2024 4:56 PM

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dumb idea of remaking 'The Crow'

it might score something like 20% out of 100



https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_crow_2024/reviews


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Friday, August 23, 2024 5:46 PM

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dumb idea of remaking 'The Crow'

it might score something like 20% out of 100



https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_crow_2024/reviews



Well that sounds like a goddamned masterpiece compared to Borderlands.



Literally nobody asked for this remake. Any Emo depressed kid in school has already seen the original and loved it, not to mention they're never going to re-create the lore and immortality of the original after Brandon Lee died.

Everybody responsible for green lighting this should immediately be fired and never offered another job in the industry again.

And unlike other movies Hollywood has ruined with endless remakes and reboots, I didn't even care much for the original myself. It is a mid movie.

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Monday, August 26, 2024 5:48 AM

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Some ok numbers


Disney / 20th Century's Alien: Romulus has passed the $200M global mark.
https://x.com/BORReport/status/1827728497802100872
The film grossed an estimated $41.6M internationally this weekend. Estimated international total stands at $152.8M, estimated global total stands at $225.4M.

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Sunday, September 1, 2024 3:52 PM

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China just got another entry into the Top 10 for 2024. It's on the low end, so it's just displacing a US movie that would have been displaced if the US managed to take over the top 10 by the end of the year anyhow, but China even being able to add another movie to the Top 10 in the last week in August is pretty pathetic.

US has the Top 6, then it's "YOLO" with $479,597,304 in 7th, "Pegasus 2" with $466,930,272 in 8th, and "Successor" with $438,580,182 in 9th.

So summer time came and went and the only 3 movies that managed over half a billion during the summer blockbuster season were 2 kids movies and Deadpool & Wolverine.

Can Hollywood pull out 4 more before the year is over?

Maybe. Some of the movies that they put out in December did rather well into the new year.

Nothing that remains in theaters right now is going to help.

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Thursday, September 5, 2024 6:58 AM

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Adventures In The Screen Trade by William Goldman (1984)

This book was begun at the greatest time of panic and despair in modern Hollywood history - late January of '82. Future film scholars may well term it "the Heaven's Gate era." And certainly that movie received more media coverage than any other contemporary disaster.

But only a few enlightened bookkeepers will know for sure if it lost more than, say, Raise the Titanic! or Honky Tonk Freeway.

During the holiday season of '81-'82, sixteen films were released by the major studios. Of those, only one - On Golden Pond - was a runaway success. And ten of the sixteen each lost more than ten million dollars. One major studio executive told me recently, "Of course the failures are upsetting. But there have always been failures. What's got us so immobilized now is that whatever it is that we're making, we're missing the audience by a wider margin than ever before. We don't know what they want. All we do know is that they don't want what we're giving them."

Perhaps the key word above is immobilized. By the end of February, only ten films will have begun production. At the same time a year ago, twenty-five had started shooting.

Again, this is the worst period within memory. By the time this book sees print, it may well be the best period within memory. The point being this: Movies are a gold-rush business.

Anyone interested in what follows had best commit that fact to memory....

What follows, generically speaking, is a book about Hollywood. It may not come as a total shock to you if I say this is not the first attempt to mine that subject.

All I can provide that is different is my point of attack: I have been, for close to twenty years now, a screenwriter. I have seen a lot, learned more than a little - most of it, alas, too late.

In terms of authority, screenwriters rank somewhere between the man who guards the studio gate and the man who runs the studio (this week). And there is a whole world to which we are not privy. And I thought it may be helpful to know at least something about just what is taking place Out There. With that in mind, I've interviewed a number of people who work the other side of the street: studio executives, producers, directors, and stars. By the time we're done, it's my hope that you'll understand a good deal more about why you see what you see on the screen.

Download a free copy of Adventures In The Screen Trade from https://libgen.is//search.php?req=William+Goldman+Screen

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Saturday, September 7, 2024 6:58 AM

JAYNEZTOWN


and sometimes movies make less money on election year

the Fed, Blackrock and Vanguard will need to print Hollyweirdo studios more money to burn?


This fall, Hollywood tries to balance box office with the ballot box
https://japantoday.com/category/entertainment/this-fall-hollywood-trie
s-to-balance-box-office-with-the-ballot-box#comments

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Saturday, September 21, 2024 1:00 AM

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With only 3 months remaining, I'm growing less and less confident that Hollywood is going to box out China from the Top 10 worldwide in 2024.

China currently holds the 7th, 8th and 9th place movies, which all range from $465.5 Million to $480 Million.

Deadpool & Wolverine was the last to beat them, and that was a while ago.

Beetlejuice Beetlejuice isn't going to do it with almost Zero international interest.



Any bets on which movies still coming out this year that can gross half a billion?

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Monday, September 23, 2024 5:38 PM

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Transformers flops or does it, so what else?

So at this time of year you have 3 more Dates for money...

1 Thanksgiving mostly a US national holiday but also celebrated by others on various dates in October and November in the United States, Canada, Liberia, and unofficially in countries like Brazil

2 Halloween typically a 'Horror' does well at this time

3 Christmas and New Years period a type of Animation or Family movie or Kids movie

Transformers One’s Box Office Could Mark Chris Hemsworth’s 2nd Flop in 2024
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/transformers-one-box-office-could-
123647083.html

I think Hollywood has a chance to get more half Billion but Chinese can do it also. There will be more from Latin America, China, South Korea, India, Japan...could one of them get back into the Top Ten? Sometimes a Chinese film can do good in the November to New Years period, Successor 'Zhua wa wa' is still making money and starting to gain on YOLO and Pegasus 2
Mickey 17 is somewhat Korean but also Hollywood delays, Warner Bros but I think its delayed until 2025
India can push close to $310,500,000 but not half a Billion..impossible for now
there is also
Woman of the Hour from Hollywood a serial killer thing, probably too dark to make money.
Red One its Santa suits and Hollywood action comedy but its out November not December
Venom and Kraven...both Sony studio so its kind of Hollywood / Disney / Marvel but Hollywood will share the profit with a Japan company, I am not aware of any new Japan video game anime franchise but there is Sega's 'Sonic', profit might be shared among Paramount and Blur Studio and Japan's Sega
LOTR Anime Netflix
https://x.com/DiscussingFilm/status/1837884846086955163
It lacks something so why are they doing it maybe because The War of the Rohirrim cartoon only needs to make $200 million to turn The Lord of the Rings into a $6 billion franchise.
The French films nobody cares about them anymore, France lost whatever factor that made people watch their films...its uncool now and Macron makes the French culture seem moronic.
the South Korean films and shows stream well, Japan and S.Korea both did well on home DVD video and download sales but they don't make big money across international cinema
Mandarin / Chinese language is the big Hollywood challenger for now.
Joker Madness of 2... Folie à Deux ...seeing mixed feedback.
Moana 2 and Sonic the Hedgehog 3 will make money? Nosferatu should be out for Halloween but another mistake arrives, they release it December.


Factor in Election Year, movies sometimes to less well during election year, Hollywood has badly manged distribution and adverts I expect more flops before the year is finished.






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Monday, September 23, 2024 11:27 PM

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I forgot about Joker 2.

I won't be watching that one, but I think it would have to be spectacularly awful to not break half a billion after the first one became what is now the 3rd highest grossing R-Rated film when adjusted for inflation. It was already going to be a hard sell for me after the first one. Lady Gaga's inclusion is what seals the deal on me not watching this.


Hollywood's going to need 3 more movies to crack half a billion and hope that China's peak is only around $485 Million if they want the Top 10 to themselves.


Interestingly though, this wouldn't be the first year that they didn't. Without going back through the years to look into it right now, I do know that China has had one or two in the Top 10 on more than one occasion over the last 10 years. I was surprised when I saw that. I was looking for something else at the time when I realized this.

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Thursday, September 26, 2024 7:08 AM

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There was Taylor Swift so...others will try copy that success box office formula

Could a K-Pop boyband thing make it into the top ten...but so far 722 opening theaters...maybe not good enough. However if it hits number 1 in some regions and countries it could cost others their box office profits

‘Jung Kook: I Am Still’ lands in box office Top 10 in North America
https://usa.inquirer.net/157210/jung-kook-i-am-still-lands-in-box-offi
ce-top-10-in-north-america

also selling in Portugal and Australia now, based on real world events not fantasy...others of the genre movies and story and documentary like Taylor Swift, Fahrenheit 9/11, Pocahontas, Bohemian Rhapsody, Braveheart, Captain Phillips, Erin Brockovich also based on real events.


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Thursday, September 26, 2024 5:50 PM

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Nobody is going to replicate the Taylor Swift thing. Everybody in Hollywood thought that Beyonce would, and she pulled in pennies compared to Taylor. After that, it looks like they've all but pulled the plug on the concert movie idea. I think if Beyonce did well we would have seen at least 3 more similar attempts since by now.

In a world without Hannah Montana, Taylor Swift is the next best thing. I think the only person outside of Miley's Montana in the last 25 years that could have done what Taylor did last year was Britney Spears... 20 years ago. Christina Aguleara is probably an honorable mention and I think she would have done well, but nowhere near as well as Spears did. I don't think many people would have gone to see Jessica/Ashlee Simpson or Mandy Moore do a concert in the theaters during Spears' time.

KPOP has a chance to make the Top 10 for a weekend, depending on the group and how weak the Hollywood box office is on that particular weekend. Never 1st place, but a decent Top 10 showing. But that's still a really niche thing here in America. It may have taken off in other countries and stuck, but I think most people here outside of die-hard fans view it more as a novelty than anything else.




ETA: Actually, there's some REAL signs that the girls have already moved on from Taylor and if she tried to replicate her own success next year she'd fall on her face.

Swift's endorsement of Kamala after the debate actually seems to have hurt Harris, rather than help her. There are actually a ton of Tik Tok videos now of girls wearing MAGA and/or Trump shirts lip-synching one of Taylor's songs and then inserting some rap song with Trump in it at the end, letting people know that they're hot and 20-something Taylor Swift fans who are voting Trump.

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Saturday, October 5, 2024 5:14 AM

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Joker is probably a Flop, Wicked there's a chance this could disappoint, a new remake Beetlejuice Beetlejuice did very poor overseas and Gladiator 2 is getting bad feedback.

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Joker is probably a Flop, Wicked there's a chance this could disappoint, a new remake Beetlejuice Beetlejuice did very poor overseas and Gladiator 2 is getting bad feedback.


Joker is absolutely a flop. It's not going to displace the 3 Chinese movies from the worldwide Top 10, which is what it needed to do to break even.

We're running out of time for that. I don't see Gladiator 2 doing it either. Because of that low international interest in Beetlejuice Beetlejuice sequel, that's not going to come close either.

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Monday, October 14, 2024 4:18 AM

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more movies rejected by world audiences and set to be a flop

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Monday, October 14, 2024 7:51 AM

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Beetlejuice 2 just cracked $420 Million this weekend.

Is there any chance a Halloween resurgence can help it make another $60 Million?

Doubtful. But it still is being shown in 3,400 theaters.


Somebody dropped the ball on the international advertising here. I can't believe the US/International split is 66%/34%.

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Monday, October 14, 2024 9:07 AM

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Joker 2, it even made both fans and critics walk out

so I assume nobody will watch

SPOILERS


it seems to be over, the ass raped Joker 2, escapes from a blown up court, meets Lady Gaga who aborted or dumped him...then its a musical and he gets stabbed to death by some big dude...and it takes 2 and a half hours to tell that story


Guess The JOKER Film From The Savage ReviewMr Sunday Movies




has it damaged the 'Batman Brand' maybe not people are watching Penguin

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Monday, October 14, 2024 12:12 PM

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race to the bottom? Joker 2 seems to be doing worse than Flops like 'The Marvels' and Morbius, and tracking? Venom The Last Dance may have an ok earning with opening

'Wild Robot' Beats 'Joker: Folie à Deux' at International Box Office
https://variety.com/2024/film/box-office/the-wild-robot-beats-joker-fo
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Hollywood is killing tickets sales by releasing successful movies to video in less than a month after the theatrical release.

For today’s example, The Wild Robot was opened in the USA on September 27th, 2024. How long did it stay exclusively at theaters? Only 3 weeks.

Video Release: October 15th, 2024 by Universal Home Entertainment

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Wild-Robot-The-(2024)#tab=summary



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and this Torrent Link: 7026AD260EC8EACB2AF6892BBFF180B55133F2E9

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Beetlejuice 2 just cracked . . . Somebody dropped the ball on the international advertising here. I can't believe the US/International split is 66%/34%.
Hollywood is killing international ticket sales by releasing successful movies to video only a month after the theatrical release.

Compared to International audiences, Americans are far less aware (that would be Trumptards lacking awareness) of how quickly and easily a movie becomes available for free.

Example: Beetlejuice Beetlejuice (2024)
Theatrical release: September 6th, 2024
Video Release: October 8th, 2024 by Warner Home Video

https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Beetlejuice-Beetlejuice-(2024)#tab=s
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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I refuse to debate this issue for the dozenth time with a moron.

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6ix, you claim Hollywood has falling ticket revenue because its movies offend your political sensibilities. But since Trumptards like you are a minority in the world, that can't be most of the reason. This can be: Hollywood is in a death spiral because its movies are for sale at the same time its movies are in theaters. This was explained 19 years ago when DVD sales were cutting into ticket revenue. Now it is streaming and piracy cutting into ticket revenue.
https://slate.com/culture/2005/08/hollywood-s-death-spiral-part-2.html

On one hand, each member of your family costs an extortionary price for a ticket at theater far from home. On the other hand, the whole family can watch the movie at home for free on their big screen TV with better picture and sound than at the theater. Which way to watch the movie? Such a difficult decision to make.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, October 17, 2024 4:30 AM

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Joker 2 will get beaten by re-runs of old movies?

NEON's Longlegs will return to theatres nationwide

https://x.com/borreport/status/1846584492204626418


rumors online said Chinese presales are low for Joker 2, are below Napoleon...for Joker 2 to make profit it needs to see 300 Million in China which ain't happening, it also might be on some streaming tv online movie tv service in a few days / weels


Universal / DreamWorks Animation's The Wild Robot grossed an estimated $24.1M internationally this weekend.
Estimated international total stands at $64.7M, estimated global total stands at $148.5M
https://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/32299-the-wild-robot/

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6ix, you claim Hollywood has falling ticket revenue because its movies offend your political sensibilities.


There are a lot of reasons for it. Of those, your claims that it's due exclusively to streaming has been thoroughly debunked here, dozens of times already.

I will not engage with you on an issue when all you do is push the same debunked lie continuously.

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Saturday, October 26, 2024 3:12 PM

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Beetlejuice Beetlejuice has beat Joker Folie à Deux

Venom is doing ok

Sony's Venom: The Last Dance grossed an estimated $22.0M domestically on Friday from 4,131 locations
https://x.com/borreport/status/1850190684457972163?s=46

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If you'd have asked me in the first half of the year what Venom was going to open to, it wouldn't have been close to $60 Million. Hell... even after the box office picked up a little once summer started I'm still surprised to see Venom 3 get $60 Million. Comic book movies are dead, but I guess this one was far enough removed from everything else and did have a fan base.

They still spent too much on it though. It almost sounds like a modest budget these days at only $110 Million. That means $275 Million to break even.

I think it will get there, but why so expensive? It's not going to make a lot of money above that break even point.

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Sunday, October 27, 2024 6:04 PM

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Sony's Venom: The Last Dance debuted with an estimated $124.0M internationally, including $46.0M in China. Estimated global total stands at $175.0M.

https://x.com/BORReport/status/1850558444681740672

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Monday, October 28, 2024 2:49 AM

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comicbook movies seem to be more or less over, maybe not extinct but the era has come to an ungraceful end.


the trends in worldwide gross the past years, not all the same but in general comicbook superhero movies were an easy successful hit but now moving to a struggle and many loss with Joker 2 and The Marvels fighting for the bottom


culture has also changed, failure is tolerated leadership, directors, bad producers are supported...in the past "flops" would not be tolerated, heads would be on the block. There would be lots of anger no printed money, everyone after to call out DEI islamo feminist SJW politics put into tinsek town tv shows and movies. Nobody leads and very few can control "mid-level executives" or creatives....in the past this was different, the entertainment industry expected results in the show, music, art, visuals, acting and sound. Deadpool & Wolverine performance did good...that was the old Marvel entertainment...the fail was less tolerated in the past but today a company gets Blackrock Vanguard printed Fed money or a tax payer bailout in California the flop is allowed and the system just writes them off. Artistic Property destroyed, absolute incompetence continues, CEOs somehow keep their job while destroying an entertainment industry.

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At this time of year, there is an official vacation across the globe or maybe not....while The type of 'Horror' genre usually does good this weekend. What vaction cycles does Hollywood make more money on? What time of year or festival do people go to cinema more...The Sun around our Earth equinox , Summer solstice, equinox, then some type of Harvest or Dead Celebration and a Winter solstice...months March, sometimes a May summer festival fits into a culture, then June, September, maybe another Dead or Harvest Festival and Yule / Krampus Pagan December Christmas NewYear celebration.

a free vacation time to go visit cinema or not?

the last week before election...so maybe bad for numbers during an election however you will also have kids and a mini Halloween holiday vacation weekend

Summer time is when kids are free in the Northern Hemisphere and get to watch more Disney or Toons...but does the world have an official Halloween Harvest season vacation?

Thanksgiving s a national holiday celebrated on various dates in October and November in the United States, Canada, Liberia, and unofficially in Brazil. Germany celebrates Reformation Day on the 31st day of October and All Saints Day on the First of November. South Korean's and Japanese don't have a Halloween, its kind of suppressed now, there is Hangul Day at the start of October the next big events are Christmas and New Years, the Japan box office is never really worth talking about they are not cinema goers. France has 1st of November All Saints' Day and Toussaint 11th of November Armistice Day but France is not the same cinema market anymore, its not as big as it used to be. According to 2 sources. Halloween was an immigrant festival taken to the USA, the origins of Halloween can be traced back all the way to the ancient Celtic festival known as Samhain originally an event that marked the end of the harvest. Parts of Canada celebrate the 11th of November Remembrance Day Jour du Souvenir. Tasmania and Victoria in Australia have some celebration or vacation holiday on 1st of November or first Tuesday in November but the rest of Australia does not have this vacation. Spain has the 1st of November All Saints' Day or Día de todos los Santos, Mexico and other parts of Latin America seem to have their own Halloween Occult looking celebration the Day of the Dead el Día de Muertos or el Día de los Muertos celebrated on 1st or 2nd November or earlier in October or later in November through other days, some argue that there are Indigenous Mexican or ancient Aztec influences that account for the custom, the Chinese have a similar vacation or holiday period Mid-Autumn Festival the Autumn / Fall season celebration of harvest and togetherness and 1st of October a celebration for 3 days called National Day. If your culture is from the Equator Circle of latitude its possible seasonal changes did not happen and did not matter so much with people, so that could explain why a vacation is not marked at this time of year but in other parts of the world there seems to be a holiday.

‘Venom’ Box Office: ‘Last Dance’ Opens to Solid $175M Globally Despite Sluggish $51M U.S. Bow
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/venom-last-dance-b
ox-office-opening-1236045986/
'The movie opened well behind the first two installments in North America, where the series is going out with a whimper as comic book fatigue raises its ugly head again.'

So Venom it could be a hit debuted with an estimated $124 M internationally

https://forums.boxofficetheory.com/topic/32003-venom-the-last-dance/

the film managed to keep the budget way lower, so where did all the Joker 2 money go?

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If you'd have asked me in the first half of the year what Venom was going to open to, it wouldn't have been close to $60 Million. Hell... even after the box office picked up a little once summer started I'm still surprised to see Venom 3 get $60 Million. Comic book movies are dead, but I guess this one was far enough removed from everything else and did have a fan base.

They still spent too much on it though. It almost sounds like a modest budget these days at only $110 Million. That means $275 Million to break even.

I think it will get there, but why so expensive? It's not going to make a lot of money above that break even point.

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Looks like Venom 3 only got a projection of $51 Million from Sony. They probably lowballed that, so it should be a little higher. That's a bit closer to what I would have expected a 3rd venom movie to do in 2024.

It must have opened early outside of the US, because there's no way that it pulled in $124 Million internationally in the same time frame as it made $51 Million in the US.


So it's already at $175 Million. It needs $100 Million to break even. Assuming it's not complete dog shit and also assuming that the early openings don't alter the future results down too hard, it shouldn't have a problem crossing that milestone.

But like I said before... why so expensive?

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its all video game stuff made into tv or movie property or South Korean shows or smaller indie stuff from USA, Europe and Japan toons now.

In tv and movie land it seems Marvel Disney want their 'Superman' so they have Wonder Man or Simon Williams who seems to have been a parody or commentary on Superman, he was 'White' maybe but now maybe he's going to be 'Black' a cynical person might think the dead Black Panther franchise and trouble with a new Blade actor, best known for his roles as Black Manta in the superhero films Aquaman and the Matrix remake

https://x.com/WonderManNews/status/1851457076146339857

he seems to have had a type of Mid West 'White' immigrant look about him George Reeves, Christopher Reeve, Dean Cain, Tom Welling, Brandon Routh, Henry Cavill type of face...not a Superman rip off!? ...with maybe an Italian backstory, the Maggia is a fictional international crime syndicate appearing in American comic books published by Marvel Comics with a structure is somewhat similar to the real-world New York Mafia



Wonder Man Simon Willimas was bad but then became a good Anti-Hero

'George R.R. Martin Cites AVENGERS’ Influences on GAME OF THRONES'
https://nerdist.com/article/george-r-r-martin-cites-avengers-influence
s-on-game-of-thrones/


the Hollyweird decay? Hollywood does not trust Hollywood with LOTR property so gives it to Japan anime makers, WAR OF THE ROHIRRIM Japanese Anime Film Uses The Late Christopher Lee's Actual Voice





Netflix goes Japan animation and a Release Date And Casting Details For TOKYO OVERRIDE

https://x.com/NetflixAnime/status/1848514612599099598


Shangri-La Frontier Season 2



and the flops?

Joker 2 suffers

Numbers might have been lower again, seems Domestically its not going to make much more than 1m so perhaps beaten by 'The Marvels'

Joker II Folie à Deux a very bad Hollyweird 2024 American jukebox musical

a possible 200 million loss for Warner Bros, the economy of a small kingdom nation or small country wasted, but bailed out by California taxes US Dollars up in flames.

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Joker 2 suffers

Numbers might have been lower again, seems Domestically its not going to make much more than 1m so perhaps beaten by 'The Marvels'

Joker II Folie à Deux a very bad Hollyweird 2024 American jukebox musical

a possible 200 million loss for Warner Bros, the economy of a small kingdom nation or small country wasted, but bailed out by California taxes US Dollars up in flames.


It made $57k on Monday and $75k on Cheap Seat Tuesday in the states. It's not going to come close to $100 Million in the US sitting only at $58 Million now.


If you want a great laugh, check out the drops from the 4 weekends it's been in theaters. I've never seen anything like it. It dropped like a stone. And this is a great example of how a lower than expected opening weekend and large early drops effect the rest of a movie's run.

WEEKEND 1: $37,678,467
WEEKEND 2: $7,002,654 (-81% Drop)
WEEKEND 3: $2,146,800 (-69% Drop)
WEEKEND 4: $584,496 (-71% Drop)

From $37.5 Million on opening weekend to barely over half a million on Weekend 4. Unbelievable.


$200 Million is a very low figure. WB loses at least $250 Million on this one, or more than $60 Million above what they paid to make it in the first place.

Its only hope is that international figures continue to bail it out. Like the first movie, it is making quite a bit more outside of the states than inside the states. As of today, 71.2% of the box office is from overseas. I don't have access to any real international numbers except for whatever Bruce posts, in the almost meaningless way he posts them, whenever he gets around to them. So I can't say for sure how bad the crash was outside of the States since you have no idea of a weekly breakdown of international numbers looks like unless you were following the movie from the beginning by the day and documenting these numbers as they were posted.

I'm going to assume the international drop was just as bad as the US drop until proven otherwise. This movie needed $475 Million to break even, and there's a very good chance it won't even see $225 Million.

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