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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.

[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 12/04/2023]

Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:

The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598

The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628

The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629

The Marvels Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65760

The Wish Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65805

NOTE 1: With most sites including Variety and Deadline calling films that grossed 2.0x of their budget failures, and most movies sites tracking the success or failure of a movie's ability to break even based off if it can gross 2.5x of its Production Budget, I have now made 2.5x the marker for whether a movie is a failure or not.

The 2.0x numbers will still be tallied for the rest of the year, but if I choose to track movies again next year I will only be keeping track of 2.5x.

NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now.


Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:

Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]

Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):

Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $845,468,744 (338% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$220,468,744 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$345,468,744 [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]


The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $568,345,048 (227% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$56,654,952 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$68,345,048 [FINAL]


The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,344,833 (234% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,155,167 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,344,833 [FINAL]


Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023)
source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/
Production Budget: $200,000,000
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $486,747,653 (243% of Production Budget)
*Lost $6,121 since last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$13,252,347
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$86,747,653

Chevalier [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (June 16th, 2023)
Production Budget: $46,000,000
source: https://bestmoviecast.com/chevalier-2023-cast-release-date-plot-budget
-box-office-trailer/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $1,521,288 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $3,864,206 (9% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$111,135,794 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$88,135,794 [FINAL]


Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023)
Production Budget: $300,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destin
y-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $381,561,976 (127% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$368,438,024
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$218,438,024


Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023)
Production Budget: $8,000,000
source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&fir
st_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $4,640,110 (58% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$15,359,890
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$11,359,890


Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023)
Production Budget: $158,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $114,797,989 (73% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$280,202,011
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$201,202,011


A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023)
Production Budget: $60,000,000
source: https://screenrant.com/a-haunting-in-venice-movie-box-office-opening-w
eekend-explained/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $36,979,529 (62% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $113,426,208 $113,481,543 (188% of Production Budget)
*Lost $55,335 from last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,573,792
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$6,573,792


The Creator [20th Century Studios] (September 29th, 2023)
Production Budget: $80,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Creator-The-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $32,300,000 (40% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $99,032,017 (124% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$100,967,983 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$60,967,983 [FINAL]


The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023)
Production Budget: $275,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Marvels-The-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $108,998,133 (40% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $197,035,186 (72% of Production Budget)
*Gained $10,107,232 from last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$490,464,814
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$352,964,814


Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $10,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Next-Goal-Wins-(US-Film)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $2,500,295 (30% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $6,397,715 (60% of Production Budget)
*Gained $737,878 from last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$18,602,285
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$13,602,285

Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Wish-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $48,907,681 (25% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $81,555,942 (25% of Production Budget)
*Gained $32,648,261 from last update. (12/04)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$418,444,058
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$318,444,058

43,431,915


TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$1,901,147,070
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$865,147,070

YET TO BE RELEASED:


Poor Things [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD

All Of Us Strangers [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: Unknown
Worldwide Opening Weekend: TBD
Current Worldwide Gross: N/A

Net Gain/Loss: TBD



CANCELLED DISNEY MOVIES:

Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
[CANCELLED]

Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023)
[CANCELLED]



It would be impossible to gauge how much money they lose on streaming on a show-to-show basis, but it appears I can tell you how much money the shows cost to produce and how poorly they are received.

NOTES ON STREAMING (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out
-212-million-on-secret-invasion/

It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched.

https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-sell
ing-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/


NOTES ON STREAMING (07/31/2023): The 6th and final episode of Secret Invasion is now officially the lowest rated critics score for any Marvel TV Show property in history at only 7%, with one critic writing "A huge miscalculation in emphasizing brawn over brain, this finale is so misjudged that most MCU fans will want to keep it secret from their collective memory."

Way to spend $212 Million, Disney.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06/reviews?intc
mp=rt-scorecard_tomatometer-reviews

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK (April 23rd, 2022):
The big question about Lightyear is who is sticking it in who's butt for kids to see.

The second biggest question is has Disney tarnished their brand so badly that they will have their first Toy Story flop.

The third biggest question is will Disney learn from their mistakes when it doesn't meet expectations.

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Originally posted by second (April 23rd, 2022):
Expectations, 6ix? This is NOT Toy Story 5. Disney will be fine. The trailer for Lightyear hints that the scriptwriter saw Planet of the Apes. Buzz Lightyear travels at hyperspeed, left only 4 minutes ago, but returns 62 years, 7 months into the future. Things have changed for the worst, but it is not intelligent apes causing problems. Unlike Charlton Heston, who could not save the planet because he got beat up by gorillas, Chris Evans as Buzz Lightyear is gonna kick James Brolin's giant robot butt.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK (April 23rd, 2022):
There are always expectations.

Disney hasn't met them with most of their recent flicks, especially the Marvel trash they've been putting out.

Let's see how badly they want to stop losing money. If they put any Leftist agenda shit in there you can bet that they're going to have their first Toy Story branded loser on their hands.

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Originally posted by second (April 24th, 2022):
6ix, you don't have money, which is why Disney doesn't produce entertainment to please you. You are worthless to Disney unless you have money to buy a ticket. That is how free market capitalism has always worked.

Disney’s decision to oppose Florida’s “don’t say gay” law is all about appealing to Disney’s consumers. Republicans who most yearn to make America “great” again — aging, rural, white men — are at the bottom of the consumer totem pole and lack the financial clout to swing the free market. Conservatives just can’t handle the fact that their political ideology is toxic to people who buy tickets for Disney World and Disney movies.

Fox News agitator Laura Ingraham had previously warned that if companies like Disney didn’t “stay in their lane” — focusing on maximizing profit, but shutting up about politics — “everything will be on the table” if Republicans return to power in November, including “your copyright and trademark protection, your special status within certain states, and even your corporate structure itself.” GOP Senator Marsha Blackburn denounced Disney’s criticism as “how the woke left extremists are using corporations to push their agenda.”

Here’s the irony, though: While Disney controls municipal functions in Reedy Creek, its special tax district, it also foots the bill — for the fire department, sewer treatment, and so on. The elimination of that special status thus will save Disney $163 million annually, passing on $1 billion in debt to taxpayers in Orange and Osceola counties and forcing massive local tax hikes. So what in the name of Adam Smith’s invisible hand is going on here?

https://newrepublic.com/article/166186/florida-republicans-revoke-disn
ey-special-tax-status-lost-faith-free-market

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Back in April 2023, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis officially dissolved the Reedy Creek Improvement District. The special district had been around since 1967 and allowed Disney to function as its own form of government. DeSantis and the Republican-led Florida legislature voted to dissolve Reedy Creek after DeSantis and Disney began locking horns in March 2022.

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Should you invest $1,000 in Walt Disney right now?

Before you buy stock in Walt Disney, consider this:

The Motley Fool Stock Advisor analyst team just identified what they believe are the 10 best stocks for investors to buy now... and Walt Disney wasn't one of them. The 10 stocks that made the cut could produce monster returns in the coming years.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK (April 24th, 2022):

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Originally posted by second:
6ix, you don't have money, which is why Disney doesn't produce entertainment to please you. You are worthless to Disney unless you have money to buy a ticket. That is how free market capitalism has always worked.

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I have money. Not to spend on that though.

Why don't you post more links of your pirated Firefly stuff, you piece of shit?

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Disney’s decision to oppose Florida’s “don’t say gay” law is all about appealing to Disney’s consumers.

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No it's not. It's pissing off the people who used to pay to see Disney.

Look at their stock prices.

Democrats and Leftists are done, buddy. Expect the new Bob to be fired from his position at Disney and a huge change in the corporate structure to occur over the next year. Disney is tired of losing money, pandering to a woke Titter mob that doesn't bring them any cash.

I didn't bother reading the rest of your bullshit, as per usual.

We'll see the box office results of this woke dumpster fire and I'll give you my I Told You Sos then.

You've accumulated quite a collection of them so far, haven't you?

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Disney and TSG Entertainment Finance have settled litigation from August of 2023 when the financier sued the media giant for “rampant self-dealing” and breach of the parties’ revenue participation contract.

“The matter has been resolved,” said a Disney spokesperson.

TSG said it has financed more than 140 films to the tune of $3.3 billion over the years with Fox, which Disney acquired in 2019, including Avatar: The Way of Water, Bohemian Rhapsody, Deadpool, Deadpool 2, X-Men: Days of Future Past, Logan, Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, The Martian, The Grand Budapest Hotel, JoJo Rabbit, The Banshees of Inisherin, Hidden Figures, The Shape of Water and Empire of Light.

TSG’s lawsuit filed last August in Los Angeles District Court said that Fox had promised TSG a share of defined gross receipts for pictures under the companies’ long-term participation agreement but that the studio used “nearly every trick in the Hollywood accounting book” to not pay. The financier accused Disney/Fox of self-dealing with FX, Hulu and Disney+, said its revenue began to shrink and that an audit it commissioned showed breaches of contract. It didn’t specify which films were examined.

Elsewhere in the suit it noted 2017 Oscar-winning The Shape of Water was licensed to Fox “in a backroom side deal that appallingly shaved nearly $4 million off of the parties’ previously agreed-upon price.”

TSG said studio had promised to distribute co-financed films “on a fair, reasonable, good faith and non-discriminatory basis” but did not, TSG said, noting former CEO Bob Chapek’s shortened exclusive theatrical windows in favor of pushing content onto Disney+ to grow the streamer’s subscriptions, reducing the theatrical revenue that TSG counted on.

That was an issue for others as well. Scarlett Johansson sued Disney over the release of Black Widow across both movie theaters and Disney+ in 2021. “By 2022, this admittedly thoughtless Disney strategy, and Fox’s pattern of systematic self-dealing and Hollywood Accounting, had deprived TSG of the cash it needed to fund future Qualifying Pictures. But for this lack of liquidity, TSG would have fully invested in additional Fox films and reaped the full financial benefits associated with maximizing its investments in these Qualified Pictures.”

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
This will encompass all Disney/Pixar/Fox Studios failures for the year. This OP will be updated from time to time as more data comes in, particularly when a movie officially ends its theatrical run and we have solid numbers.

[ALL FIGURES UPDATED 01/03/2024]

Sub-threads for notable movies can be found here:

The Little Mermaid Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65598

The Elemental Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65628

The Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65629

The Marvels Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65760

The Wish Failure Thread: http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=65805

NOTE 1: With most sites including Variety and Deadline calling films that grossed 2.0x of their budget failures, and most movies sites tracking the success or failure of a movie's ability to break even based off if it can gross 2.5x of its Production Budget, I have now made 2.5x the marker for whether a movie is a failure or not.

The 2.0x numbers will still be tallied for the rest of the year, but if I choose to track movies again next year I will only be keeping track of 2.5x.

NOTE 2: To not completely ignore international changes from week to week, I've simplified the explanation of +/- money any movie makes whether it's still in theaters or not for each entry. Just one single line now.


Live Action Remakes that were so bad they skipped a theatrical release and went straight to Disney+:

Peter Pan and Wendy (April 23rd, 2023)
Production Budget: $170 Million
source: https://vancouversun.com/entertainment/local-arts/disney-peter-pan-wen
dy-canadian-film-industry
Box Office: $0 [FINAL]

Net Gain/Loss: -$170,000,000 - Marketing Costs (Unknown) [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (WINNERS):

Guardians of the Galaxy: Vol 3. [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (May 5th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Guardians-of-the-Galaxy-Vol-3-(2023)
#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $290,000,000 (116% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $845,468,744 (338% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: +$220,468,744 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$345,468,744 [FINAL]



Theatrical Releases (LOSERS):

Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (February 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Ant-Man-and-the-Wasp-Quantumania-(20
23)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $250,000,000 (125% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $463,635,303 (232% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,364,697 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$63,635,303 [FINAL]


The Little Mermaid [Walt Disney Pictures] (May 26th, 2023)
Production Budget: $250,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Little-Mermaid-The-(2023)#tab=summar
y
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $164,000,000 (66% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $568,345,048 (227% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$56,654,952 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$68,345,048 [FINAL]


The Boogeyman [20th Century Studios] (June 2nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/the-boogeyman-director-indie-movies
-disney-1235620503/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $20,000,000 (57% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $82,344,833 (234% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$5,155,167 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$12,344,833 [FINAL]


Elemental [Walt Disney Pictures/Disney-Pixar] (June 16th, 2023)
source: https://screenrant.com/elemental-movie-budget-box-office-prediction/
Production Budget: $200,000,000
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $44,602,429 (22% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $486,663,342 (243% of Production Budget)
*Lost $84,311 since last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$13,336,658
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: +$86,663,342

Chevalier [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (June 16th, 2023)
Production Budget: $46,000,000
source: https://bestmoviecast.com/chevalier-2023-cast-release-date-plot-budget
-box-office-trailer/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $1,521,288 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $3,864,206 (9% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$111,135,794 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$88,135,794 [FINAL]


Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (June 30th, 2023)
Production Budget: $300,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Indiana-Jones-and-the-Dial-of-Destin
y-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $130,221,332 (43% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $381,561,976 (127% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$368,438,024
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$218,438,024


Theater Camp [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (July 14th, 2023)
Production Budget: $8,000,000
source: https://www.joblo.com/reviewsynecdoche-new-york/page/204/?year&fir
st_letter=G&sortby=oldest&rating=6
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $301,220 (4% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $4,645,869 4,640,110 (58% of Production Budget)
*Gained $5,759 since last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$15,354,131
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$11,354,131


Haunted Mansion [Walt Disney Pictures] (July 28th, 2023)
Production Budget: $158,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Haunted-Mansion-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $33,082,475 (21% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $114,797,989 (73% of Production Budget)
*No change from last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$280,202,011
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$201,202,011


A Haunting in Venice [20th Century Studios] (September 15th, 2023)
Production Budget: $60,000,000
source: https://screenrant.com/a-haunting-in-venice-movie-box-office-opening-w
eekend-explained/
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $36,979,529 (62% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $113,597,610 (188% of Production Budget)
*Gained $171,402 from last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$36,402,390
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$6,402,390


The Creator [20th Century Studios] (September 29th, 2023)
Production Budget: $80,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Creator-The-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $32,300,000 (40% of Production Budget)
FINAL Worldwide Gross: $98,763,742 (124% of Production Budget)
*Lost $268,275 since last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$100,967,983 [FINAL]
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$60,967,983 [FINAL]


The Marvels [Walt Disney Pictures/Marvel Studios] (November 10th, 2023)
Production Budget: $275,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Marvels-The-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $108,998,133 (40% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $199,968,595 (73% of Production Budget)
*Gained $2,933,409 from last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$487,531,405
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$350,031,405


Next Goal Wins [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (November 17th, 2023)
Production Budget: $10,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Next-Goal-Wins-(US-Film)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $2,500,295 (30% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $10,236,919 (100% of Production Budget)
*Gained $3,839,204 from last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$14,763,081
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$9,763,081

Wish [Walt Disney Pictures] (November 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: $200,000,000
source: https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Wish-(2023)#tab=summary
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $48,907,681 (25% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $176,821,852 (89% of Production Budget)
*Gained $95,265,910 from last update. (01/03)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$323,178,148
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$223,178,148

Poor Things [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
Production Budget: $35,000,000
source: https://www.themoviedb.org/movie/792307-poor-things?language=en-US
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $661,230 (2% of Production Budget)
Current Worldwide Gross: $11,660,770 (34% of Production Budget)

Net Gain/Loss [2.5x RoT]: -$75,839,230
Net Gain/Loss [2.0x RoT]: -$58,339,230


All Of Us Strangers [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 22nd, 2023)
Production Budget: Good luck finding it.
Worldwide Opening Weekend: $117,965
Current Worldwide Gross: $382,635

Net Gain/Loss: Unknown
We're not counting this movie at all unless somebody puts an honest number out for the production budget. The only dollar figure I even managed to find was from comicbook.com, and it claims the Production Budget was $0.00.

https://comicbook.com/category/all-of-us-strangers/



TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.5x RoT]: -$1,874,854,927
TOTAL NET GAIN/LOSS FOR DISNEY 2023 [2.0x RoT]: -$821,354,927






CANCELLED DISNEY MOVIES:

Magazine Dreams [FOX Searchlight Pictures] (December 8th, 2023)
[CANCELLED]

Star Wars: Rogue Squadron [Walt Disney Pictures/Lucasfilm] (December 22nd, 2023)
[CANCELLED]



It would be impossible to gauge how much money they lose on streaming on a show-to-show basis, but it appears I can tell you how much money the shows cost to produce and how poorly they are received.

NOTES ON STREAMING (07/19/2023): It has been reported that the 6 episodes of Secret Invasion cost $212 Million to make, or $35.3 Million per episode. That's quite expensive considering that almost every scene is just 2 or 3 characters sitting inside a room talking to each other.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/carolinereid/2023/07/08/disney-shells-out
-212-million-on-secret-invasion/

It has also been reported that Disney will lose another $800,000,000+ this quarter on Disney+. This brings the entire loss on their streaming service to over $4 Billion since it was launched.

https://dlnewstoday.com/2023/07/breaking-ceo-bob-iger-considering-sell
ing-streaming-services-and-other-assets-may-even-try-to-sell-entire-disney-company/


NOTES ON STREAMING (07/31/2023): The 6th and final episode of Secret Invasion is now officially the lowest rated critics score for any Marvel TV Show property in history at only 7%, with one critic writing "A huge miscalculation in emphasizing brawn over brain, this finale is so misjudged that most MCU fans will want to keep it secret from their collective memory."

Way to spend $212 Million, Disney.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06
https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/secret_invasion/s01/e06/reviews?intc
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The Disney cartoon Wish was released to theaters on November 22nd, 2023. Exactly two months later, the Pirates made it available for FREE! How can a Disney cartoon be profitable (looking exclusively at ticket sales) when its movies are available for FREE?

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Only if Disney has 80 million rabid fans worldwide (a mere 1% of Earth’s population) who would happily pay a high price and travel long distances to see a movie immediately rather than wait a few weeks to see it at home for FREE.

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6ix, why waste more time writing about movies when there are more significant topics?

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Because this is the Cinema board. Not the Coffee board.

Plus I find endless amusement watching the resident fff.net Communist go to bat for Disney everyday.




I'll take your complete deflection of the topic THAT YOU BROUGHT UP as another concession that you've just gotten your ass whooped by me again. It happens nearly every day in the RWED, and you chose to bring it in here.

Go play with Ted. He's the only person left here that's stupider than you are.

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Because this is the Cinema board. Not the Coffee board.

Plus I find endless amusement watching the resident fff.net Communist go to bat for Disney everyday.




I'll take your complete deflection of the topic THAT YOU BROUGHT UP as another concession that you've just gotten your ass whooped by me again. It happens nearly every day in the RWED, and you chose to bring it in here.

Go play with Ted. He's the only person left here that's stupider than you are.

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6ix, you and all the other Trumptards I know are surely screwed up in the head about Hollywood. You went on and on supporting that crap movie about child sex slavery "Sound of Freedom" as a harbinger of Trump's triumphant return.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=36&tid=65650&mid=11869
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It is a sign that Hollywood, a minor business compared to selling hot coffee, sells crap. Hollywood has always sold worthless crap to morons and its managers have always been bad at managing. That is why many movie studios have gone out of business in the past and more will in the future. That's even why Joss Whedon of Firefly fame is on hiatus. He was a terrible manager around employees. That is why Harvey Weinstein is in prison. He and his goddamn brother won't be making more crap movies.

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In 2023, companies like Universal gave the audiences what they wanted and profited greatly from it, and companies like Disney did not. We will see what lessons were learned in 2024.

Sure. Hollywood always made worthless crap. Hollywood has also made a lot of great stuff too. Businesses in every sector go out of business every year. This is not specific to Hollywood, nor has it ever been.

For over a decade now though, they have felt like they were invincible. Invulnerable to criticism of their cynical pandering, with the full force of the media behind them. And it didn't matter how much money they were losing because there was always more.

Those days are over now.

And the irony is that it was Joe Biden* and the Democrats we have to thank for that.

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In 2023, companies like Universal gave the audiences what they wanted and profited greatly from it, and companies like Disney did not. We will see what lessons were learned in 2024.

Sure. Hollywood always made worthless crap. Hollywood has also made a lot of great stuff too. Businesses in every sector go out of business every year. This is not specific to Hollywood, nor has it ever been.

For over a decade now though, they have felt like they were invincible. Invulnerable to criticism of their cynical pandering, with the full force of the media behind them. And it didn't matter how much money they were losing because there was always more.

Those days are over now.

And the irony is that it was Joe Biden* and the Democrats we have to thank for that.

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Look at what Universal makes, sorted in order of how much money, adjusted for inflation:

1 Jurassic World
2 The Super Mario Bros. Movie
3 The Lost World: Jurassic Park
4 How the Grinch Stole Christmas
5 Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom
6 Despicable Me 2
7 Meet the Fockers
8 The Secret Life of Pets
9 Furious 7
10 Bruce Almighty
11 Minions
12 Apollo 13
13 Liar Liar
14 Jurassic World: Dominion
15 The Mummy Returns

https://www.the-numbers.com/market/distributor/Universal

Except for Apollo 13, #12 on the list, it is all a bunch of meaningless crap.

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If Hollywood never made another movie, we'd be better for its death. What about Hollywood's employees? They can sell coffee, another worthless industry providing a similar addiction that we'd be better off if it had never been discovered by drugged goats in Ethiopia, around 800 AD.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK (April 23rd, 2022):
The big question about Lightyear is who is sticking it in who's butt for kids to see.

The second biggest question is has Disney tarnished their brand so badly that they will have their first Toy Story flop.

The third biggest question is will Disney learn from their mistakes when it doesn't meet expectations.

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Expectations, 6ix? This is NOT Toy Story 5. Disney will be fine. The trailer for Lightyear hints that the scriptwriter saw Planet of the Apes. Buzz Lightyear travels at hyperspeed, left only 4 minutes ago, but returns 62 years, 7 months into the future. Things have changed for the worst, but it is not intelligent apes causing problems. Unlike Charlton Heston, who could not save the planet because he got beat up by gorillas, Chris Evans as Buzz Lightyear is gonna kick James Brolin's giant robot butt.

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There are always expectations.

Disney hasn't met them with most of their recent flicks, especially the Marvel trash they've been putting out.

Let's see how badly they want to stop losing money. If they put any Leftist agenda shit in there you can bet that they're going to have their first Toy Story branded loser on their hands.

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6ix, you don't have money, which is why Disney doesn't produce entertainment to please you. You are worthless to Disney unless you have money to buy a ticket. That is how free market capitalism has always worked.

Disney’s decision to oppose Florida’s “don’t say gay” law is all about appealing to Disney’s consumers. Republicans who most yearn to make America “great” again — aging, rural, white men — are at the bottom of the consumer totem pole and lack the financial clout to swing the free market. Conservatives just can’t handle the fact that their political ideology is toxic to people who buy tickets for Disney World and Disney movies.

Fox News agitator Laura Ingraham had previously warned that if companies like Disney didn’t “stay in their lane” — focusing on maximizing profit, but shutting up about politics — “everything will be on the table” if Republicans return to power in November, including “your copyright and trademark protection, your special status within certain states, and even your corporate structure itself.” GOP Senator Marsha Blackburn denounced Disney’s criticism as “how the woke left extremists are using corporations to push their agenda.”

Here’s the irony, though: While Disney controls municipal functions in Reedy Creek, its special tax district, it also foots the bill — for the fire department, sewer treatment, and so on. The elimination of that special status thus will save Disney $163 million annually, passing on $1 billion in debt to taxpayers in Orange and Osceola counties and forcing massive local tax hikes. So what in the name of Adam Smith’s invisible hand is going on here?

https://newrepublic.com/article/166186/florida-republicans-revoke-disn
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Back in April 2023, Florida Governor Ron DeSantis officially dissolved the Reedy Creek Improvement District. The special district had been around since 1967 and allowed Disney to function as its own form of government. DeSantis and the Republican-led Florida legislature voted to dissolve Reedy Creek after DeSantis and Disney began locking horns in March 2022.

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Should you invest $1,000 in Walt Disney right now?

Before you buy stock in Walt Disney, consider this:

The Motley Fool Stock Advisor analyst team just identified what they believe are the 10 best stocks for investors to buy now... and Walt Disney wasn't one of them. The 10 stocks that made the cut could produce monster returns in the coming years.

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6ix, you don't have money, which is why Disney doesn't produce entertainment to please you. You are worthless to Disney unless you have money to buy a ticket. That is how free market capitalism has always worked.

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I have money. Not to spend on that though.

Why don't you post more links of your pirated Firefly stuff, you piece of shit?

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No it's not. It's pissing off the people who used to pay to see Disney.

Look at their stock prices.

Democrats and Leftists are done, buddy. Expect the new Bob to be fired from his position at Disney and a huge change in the corporate structure to occur over the next year. Disney is tired of losing money, pandering to a woke Titter mob that doesn't bring them any cash.

I didn't bother reading the rest of your bullshit, as per usual.

We'll see the box office results of this woke dumpster fire and I'll give you my I Told You Sos then.

You've accumulated quite a collection of them so far, haven't you?

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