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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Outcasts starts tonight on BBC-America, but I would suggest you skip it. Potentially good but burdened with poor execution and too much angst. Plus there is no resolution and there won't be any more episodes past the first series of eight episodes.

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Originally posted by Peulsar5:
I give it a good, solid "meh". Didn't ABC just cancel a better alien invasion/resistance show?

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

I missed like the first 3 minutes, and already I'm lost.

Apparently it starts some months after THEY arrive ? So, like every other alien invasion movie, we're just gonna skip the ' hey , what's that up there, and incoming on the radar ' part of the story, and move right into the 'humans are a rag tag bunch of militants, who live right out in the open, not worried all that much about any aliens coming by and wiping out the rest of them ' part.


Mmmmkay. Got it.


" I do not love the bright sword for its sharpness, nor the arrow for its swiftness, nor the warrior for his glory. I love only that which they defend. "

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Originally posted by Bramkaandorp:
Having watched no more than just past the 1/3 mark, I stopped watching.

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Originally posted by Bramkaandorp:
Having watched no more than just past the 1/3 mark, I stopped watching.

Firstly, I really don't understand how the aliens could be very advanced (as they clearly are) and yet have such a fierce appearance (as opposed to our pretty meek appearance).

Sure, evolution happens differently elsewhere. even on our planet, things like flying and swimming are done in very different ways by different species.

But even so, you'd think that intelligence (of a degree which can make tools) would only come about when you NEED tools, which I highly doubt, by the look of these aliens.

Either the creators of the series didn't really study evolution (or basic biology) enough, or that was not their real exterior, and they are inside (which could be interesting, but doesn't look to be the case).

For some people, such a thing might not be a fun-killer, but it is for me.

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Some sites were given the first 6 episodes, and say things pick up a lot by episode 4, so I'll probably stick with it for a while. Not much else worth watching in the Summer anyway.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by Zeek:
I skipped the show just based on the description. To me a small group of people trying to survive the alien apocalypse just doesn't cut it. From the description I read they should already be past the extinction threshold. So, who really cares how the last few humans spend their dying days? I'd rather see something along the lines of V but obviously written much better. At least then we're seeing how the entire human race deals with the introduction of aliens into our world.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
I skipped the show just based on the description. To me a small group of people trying to survive the alien apocalypse just doesn't cut it. From the description I read they should already be past the extinction threshold. So, who really cares how the last few humans spend their dying days? I'd rather see something along the lines of V but obviously written much better. At least then we're seeing how the entire human race deals with the introduction of aliens into our world.

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The people this show is focused on are near Boston. Early in the episode it was stated they were breaking up into seven or eight different groups of no more than three hundred each. That's 2100-2400 right there, plus we saw another group not affiliated with them, and there are probably others around the area in hiding. It is logical to assume there are groups like this all across the world, estimates could vary from several million in the U.S. to several hundred million elsewhere, if not more.

That is not to say there aren't other huge plot holes lurking, but I don't think you can rightly say they are past the extinction threshold. And considering they were fairly cavalier in going about their business in broad daylight, there might not be that many aliens in the occupying force.

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Originally posted by Zeek:
I can't imagine a rag tag bunch of survivors are going to really have much of a chance.

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I can't imagine a rag tag bunch of survivors are going to really have much of a chance.

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Isn't that the point? They don't have much of a chance - and thein lies the drama, in the adversity. Wouldn't be very interesting at all if it was gonna be easy.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by greenka61:
I watched part of this with Mom.

We, too, had a "meh" reaction, but are willing to watch a couple of more episodes because pilot episodes are often kind of boring while the characters are being established.

That being said.....did none of those survivors watch any of the Star Wars movies? You could take those two legged things down be tripping them with a cable or wrapping one around their legs.

We think the thing that will ultimately kill the aliens are diseases. They made a point in the first hour of noting that that was what happened to the Native Americans when the Europeans first arrived - disease killed great numbers of them.

Next, do the aliens not see well during the day when the big groups of people are moving around? What's up with that? Those 300 people are moving down the open roads. They might as well be waving big red flags saying "Here we are! We're over here!"Are the humans not familiar with the concept of "stealth"?

And let's do sneaky recon missions using really noisy motorcycles - the aliens won't notice those......

I hope they start writing much smarter scripts.

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I can't imagine a rag tag bunch of survivors are going to really have much of a chance.

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Isn't that the point? They don't have much of a chance - and thein lies the drama, in the adversity. Wouldn't be very interesting at all if it was gonna be easy.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by Storymark:
Some sites were given the first 6 episodes, and say things pick up a lot by episode 4, so I'll probably stick with it for a while. Not much else worth watching in the Summer anyway.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Originally posted by AURaptor:

Apparently it starts some months after THEY arrive ? So, like every other alien invasion movie, we're just gonna skip the ' hey , what's that up there, and incoming on the radar ' part of the story, and move right into the 'humans are a rag tag bunch of militants, who live right out in the open, not worried all that much about any aliens coming by and wiping out the rest of them ' part.

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Originally posted by Zeek:

I skipped the show just based on the description. To me a small group of people trying to survive the alien apocalypse just doesn't cut it. From the description I read they should already be past the extinction threshold. So, who really cares how the last few humans spend their dying days?

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"I just wanna find a way inside and find the lizard* in charge, and kick some ass!"
-Hal Mason, Son of Librarian, Falling Skies pilot

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"He's like Napoleon and he wants to create this insane, infamous mad-man reputation. ... He wants to be like Hitler on his sets, and he is."
-Megan Fox
http://blastr.com/2011/06/michael-bay-reveals-hitle.php

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Steven Spielberg - the Bilderberg Group's Culture Change Agent

Every year since 1954, the secretive Bilderberg Group (named after the hotel they first met in the Netherlands), comprising elite powerbrokers from Europe and North America, has met to discuss, and influence, the changing global, political, economic and social landscape. Dotted amongst the usual suspects of Rockefeller, Kissinger and Soros etc. we see the presence of renowned Hollywood filmmaker Steven Spielberg. Spielberg attended the 1999 Bilderberg meeting held at Sintra, Portugal. What business does Spielberg, a chieftain of the 'entertainment' industry have secretly mingling with international bankers, military intelligence and world political leaders?

Since the 1970's, Spielberg has directed or produced seven of the top twenty grossing films of all time. Throughout his career we see an obsession with the alien/UFO/space theme. From the 1977 Close Encounters of the Third Kind to ET in 1982, to Deep Impact in 1998. All depict an invasion from outer space. Even the movie Jaws is littered with shooting stars and strange lights in the sky.

In February 1997 a leading light in the British film industry leaked the story that Spielberg and executives of his company DreamWorks had secretly met with senior Pentagon officials in Los Angeles. The officials told Spielberg to "stop everything" and produce a movie whose subject matter involved meteors and/or comets. One year later Deep Impact was in the can. The film describes a comet hurtling towards earth and the fight for who has the privilege of access to an underground bunker.

Who were these Pentagon officials and why were they so eager for Bilderberg asset Spielberg to produce a movie about a threat from outer space?

Commencing in December 2002, the SciFi Channel will screen Taken, Spielberg's 20 hour mini-series focusing on alien abduction. The cost of this production was a staggering $120 million - making it the most expensive mini-series in television history. You'd think Spielberg would by now have tired of the genre, but his elite controllers are really zealous to implant this alien paradigm in the minds of the masses.
Furthermore, Ray Santilli's infamous 1995 'Alien Autopsy' footage now widely accepted as a hoax can again be traced back to Spielberg. The film became all the rage in the international UFO community, with half the specialised publications featuring Santilli's alien corpse on their front covers. However, Santilli now appears to be just the front man for the real owner of the film. Santilli admitted in a BBC interview that the money behind the film came from Germany. French network TF1 subsequently reported that the film originated from an individual by the name of 'Herr Volker Spielberg.' TF1 tried to track this man down but he proved elusive.

Spielberg is clearly a tool of the elite. His work in Hollywood propagates the reality of an alien presence that has been imbedded in the body politic. This has been a success. Recent Roper polls tell us that 80% of the American population believe in UFO's.

In conclusion, consider the comments of UFO researcher Jacques Vallee:

"When I met Stephen Spielberg, I argued with him that the subject [of UFOs] was even more interesting if it wasn't extraterrestrials. If it was real, physical, but not ET. So he said, 'You're probably right, but that's not what the public is expecting - this is Hollywood and I want to give people something that's close to what they expect.'"

Why are the Rockefellers funding the UFO movement?

The trillionaire jewish Rockefeller family played pivotal roles in establishing the quasi-secret globalist Bilderberg, CFR, and Trilateral Commission groups. They represent the apex of elite monopoly capitalism. The Rockefellers have a penchant for controlling so-called radical 'anti-establishment' minorities.

"There is a danger to the healthy development of the American Revolution in the fact that often revolutions are manipulated by the ruling class to appear to be a bigger threat than they really are."

Consider this comment by Frank Capell in the U.S. Review of the News:

"Of course, we know that these radical students are not going to take over the government. What they are going to do is provide the excuse for the government to take over the people, by passing more and more repressive laws to 'keep things under control'."

In March 1993 Laurance Rockefeller, assisted by former naval intelligence officer Cdr Scott Jones met with then President Bill Clinton's Science Adviser Dr. John Gibbons and presented an ominous sounding 'Matrix of UFO Belief' study. On the weekend of 19-20th
August 1995 Rockefeller met with Clinton himself at his Wyoming Ranch to further discuss the UFO issue.

On December 18th, 1995, the New York Daily News reported that billionaire Laurance Rockefeller was funding a 150 page UFO report entitled 'The Best Available Evidence' which would subsequently be sent to Bill Clinton and other world leaders. The report was distributed widely, but Rockefeller received no response. The reasons are two-fold. Either Rockefeller wasn't in the loop about the fact that the UFO issue had been co-opted as a psy-op tool or the report was actually a cover for a sensitive briefing on the development of this very same psychological operation.

The Counterfeit Foe

Just take a look at history. The most successful way of legitimizing what would otherwise be a clear abuse of power is to create monsters in the minds of the public. They will always choose the lesser of two evils. There is clearly a program afoot to present a hoaxed and hostile alien presence as real. Let's take a look at two examples of how the litmus test for this deception was carried out.

Obviously, a well known example is Orson Welles' staged and updated dramatization of H.G. Well's The War of the Worlds. On October 30, 1938 CBS Radio was broadcasting the music of Ramon Raquello and his orchestra live from the Meridian Room at the Park Plaza in New York City. Suddenly a reporter from Intercontinental Radio News interrupted the broadcast to deliver an important announcement. Astronomers had just detected enormous blue flames shooting up from the surface of Mars.

Although this was later scaled down, hundreds of thousands of people thought the play was real, despite announcements before, during and after the show indicating that it was just a dramatization. People stocked up cars, stashed food, drove hundreds of miles to loved ones.

Obviously, people are (a little) more sophisticated today. However, so is the psy-op intelligence and technology to believably hoax a hostile alien threat. The War of the Worlds broadcast was unlikely to have been a vast conspiracy to test the psychosomatic reaction of the American people to a
hoaxed alien invasion. However, in hindsight it proved to be a very useful case study.

Our second example is a Walt Disney telecast on the weekend of March 18-19 1995. The documentary featured another elite operative, CEO Michael Eisner, and announced that intelligent contact with alien beings had occurred. The show presented a history of UFO sightings and crashed saucers. Eisner uttered the telling line:

"For governments determined to maintain their authority, extra-terrestrial contact is pure dynamite."

The broadcast was unannounced and was patently a test as to how the public would react to the declaration of an off-planet threat.

We have been and are being conditioned. It's no strange coincidence that top lieutenants of the Trilateral Commission like Laurance Rockefeller and Bilderberg placemen like Steven Spielberg are funding and fomenting this alien paradigm.

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/counterfeit_foe.html

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The two-hour premiere of Falling Skies was watched by 5.9 million viewers, making it cable television's #1 series launch of the year. It also delivered more than 2.6 million adults 18–49 and 3.2 million adults 25–54.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falling_Skies

"I need a big Jew Brain to figure these losses."
-Jew Gemma Teller a/k/a jew Katie Sagal (member of the jewish rock band KISS), screen wife of jew Ron Perlman, Sons of Anarchy, Seeds (written, created, directed, acted and produced by her jew husband)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katey_Sagal
http://www.jewcy.com/arts-and-culture/the-top-ten-jews-on-television

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"For many years I sincerely believed that an extraterrestrial threat existed and that it was the most important driving force behind world events. I was wrong and for that I most deeply and humbly apologize. Many years ago I had access to a set of documents that I eventually realized was the plan for the destruction of the united States of America and the formation of a socialist totalitarian world government. The plan was contained within a set of Top Secret documents with the title MAJESTYTWELVE. The term honored the planned placement of ultimate power in a body of wise men who are destined to rule the world as the disciples of a Messiah front man. This Messiah will serve as a buffer between the wise men and the sheople. I discovered these documents between 1970 and 1973 while I was a member of the Intelligence Briefing Team of the Commander in Chief of the United States Pacific Fleet."
-Bill Cooper, 1-legged radio host gunned down with his chained dog by Police State death squads for an arrest warrant issued on September 11, 2001, MAJESTYTWELVE (sheriff later indicted for felonies, deputy shooter suicided himself in a "motorcycle crash")
http://hourofthetime.com/majestyt.htm

"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there were an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well-being granted to them by the World Government."
-Sir Heinz "Henry" Kissinger Knight of the British Empire, first director of the 9/11 Commission, 1991 Bilderberger Con

"But, I've often wondered what if all of us in the world discovered that we were threatened by an outer--a power from another planet. Wouldn't we all of a sudden find that we didn't have any differences between us at all, we were all human beings, citizens of the world and wouldn't we come together to fight that particular threat?"
-President Ronald Reagan, after he was shot by VP George Bush's cousin John Hinkley Jr, May 5th, 1988

"A common fear, however, which usually means a common foe, is also, regrettably, the strongest force bringing people together, but in opposition to something or someone. Perhaps there is a hopeful possibility here in the conquest of outer space. Interplanetary activity may give us planetary peace. Once we discover Martian space ships hovering over earth's air-space, we will all come together. 'How dare they threaten us like this!' We shall shout, as one, at a really United Nations!
-Lester B. Pearson, The Four Faces of Peace: The Honourable Lester Bowles Pearson’s Acceptance Speech Upon Presentation of the Nobel Peace Prize in 1957
http://www.unac.org/en/link_learn/canada/pearson/speechnobel.asp

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country."
-Hermann Goering, president of the Reichstag Fire, Nazi Party, and Luftwaffe Commander in Chief in charge of false-flag "terror" attacks

“Beware the leader who bangs the drums of war in order to whip the citizenry into a patriotic fervor, for patriotism is indeed a double-edged sword. It both emboldens the blood, just as it narrows the mind. And when the drums of war have reached a fever pitch and the blood boils with hate and the mind has closed, the leader will have no need in seizing the rights of the citizenry. Rather, the citizenry, infused with fear and blinded by patriotism, will offer up all of their rights unto the leader and gladly so. How do I know? For this is what I have done. And I am Caesar.”
-Julius Caesar

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Originally posted by piratenews:
.....uninformed conspiracy drivel....

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Originally posted by RionaEire:

In the show they said about 90 percent of humans died, so there are lots left. A decent chunk of world's-come-to-an-end stories kill off 90 percent of people, leaving plenty left to continue on but not enough to be "over populated" anymore, I put that in quotes because overpopulation is a relative term and it isn't my job or anyone else's to decide where the line is crossed. Anyways that's the one thing in PN's rant that made sense, the 90 percent of people dying thing.

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"A total population of 250-300 million people, a 95% decline from present levels, would be ideal. Most of the people will have died and the rest of us will be cannibals. We're too many people; that's why we have global warming. Everybody in the world's got to pledge to themselves to one or two children. Communist China just wants to sell us shoes. They're not building landing craft to attack the United States, and Russia wants to be our friends, too. It's been a long time since anybody caught me saying something stupid."
-Ted Turner, bi-polar founder of CNN News who was paid $3-billion salary tax-free in one day and owns 1,910,000 acres (more land in USA than any other US citizen), father of 5 kids, member of the Bilderberg Secret Society Of Magnificent Robber Barons

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Originally posted by Bramkaandorp:

Please, could you keep the conspiracy theories away from a perfectly nice forum.

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Originally posted by Bramkaandorp:

In fact I'd love to see a series in which the humans don't survive. In other words, a tragedy.

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Would be a welcome change from the usual "Humans get trampled underfoot, humans find crucial weakness overseen by the technologically more advanced aliens, and win in the end because of it".

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Not to sound too pessimistic, but if aliens with a taste for colonisation suddenly appeared in the sky, I think they'd be far more likely to wipe all humans from the surface of the earth, than that a small group of humans would overthrow them.

I'm looking for some realism to go with my science fiction. Don't we all?

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I can't imagine a rag tag bunch of survivors are going to really have much of a chance.

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Isn't that the point? They don't have much of a chance - and thein lies the drama, in the adversity. Wouldn't be very interesting at all if it was gonna be easy.

"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."

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Not really. Then you just end up with ewoks beating up storm troopers and you sit there rolling your eyes about how silly it is. That's not drama that's completely unbelievable.

Though I personally don't mind the ewoks cause Star Wars isn't exactly a dramatic movie. It's more about cool action. Not the same as this show from what I'm reading.

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