Vote for your favourite TV Dr Who! Plus series discussion... by chrisisall

I hear tell that Tennent is cool, but what do y'all say?

The laughing Chrisisall

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Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:02 PM

TRAVELER

I liked Tom Baker. He had a great sense of humor.
He was always handing out jellybabies.

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 12:58 AM

My favourites would be (in order):
Peter Davison
David Tennant and Tom Baker
Matt Smith
Patrick Troughton
Sylvester McCoy

The best would be (in order):
Tom Baker
David Tennant
Matt Smith
Peter Davison
Patrick Troughton
Sylvester McCoy

I can't be arsed to work out the rest of them.

I've seen this show since a couple of episodes into Tom Baker's original run so I guess that makes him 'My Doctor'. And I've seen as many of the pre-Baker episodes as I can. I think that it's a great testament to the show that it has lasted all these years, kept it's original fans and brought in new ones. It even seems to be conquering America.

So Chris, have you begun watching the show or thinking of watching it?
I could give you some pointers towards the best places to start if you are thinking about starting.

"The greatest invention ever is not the wheel. It's the second wheel." - Rich Hall

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 2:22 AM

DAVESHAYNE

Tom Baker! The warmest and most approachable Dr. He also has some of the best companions.

David

'Begone, sugar-free candy antichrist!' - Nathan Rabin.

'Geeks can't admit that anything worthwhile was invented before 1981. Soon, "making cocoa" will be called "milk hacking."' - Lore Sjoberg

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 2:49 AM

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Originally posted by lwaves:

So Chris, have you begun watching the show or thinking of watching it?
I could give you some pointers towards the best places to start if you are thinking about starting.

I was thinking maybe my Son & I should see it- was thinking of starting with the Tennent series, but everyone seems to love Tom Baker...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 2:53 AM

EVILDINOSAUR

I haven't seen all the doctors, unfortunately. If anyone can point out some good episodes that I might be able to find of them I'd appreciate it. I believe the ones I have not seen are 2, 5, 7, and 8. Obviously I know 8 is only in the TV movie, I just haven't gotten to watching that yet.

Of the doctor's I've seen, I can't really rate them, they're all good in their own ways. I will admit that 10 and 4 are probably my favorites, they're very similar in many ways. 11 is also pretty good. 9 was ok, had he had more time in the role I think I may have liked him more.

I didn't really care for 6, but I think that's more the scripts he had than the actor himself. 1 was pretty interesting, very different from all other incarnations. I have to admit it was hilarious watching how easy it was for him to defeat the Daleks on their first appearance. I also didn't really care for 3, I'm not sure, something about him I just didn't like.

"Haha, mine is an evil laugh."

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 3:18 AM

JONGSSTRAW

Tom Baker was my favorite. I couldn't watch anyone else.

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 3:30 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

My personal favorite? Matt Smith. However, I enjoyed the entire new series, starting with Chris Eccleston as the Ninth Doctor, and Tennant was undeniably brilliant. There's actually a few bits of continuity that might make it worth it to start watching the new series at the beginning.
(I haven't watched the old series, but Tom Baker as the Fourth Doctor seems quite beloved, and David Tennant reportedly based his Doctor somewhat on Peter Davison, the Fifth Doctor and his idol when he was younger.)

What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 4:07 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I wouldn't dare rate the earlier Doctors until I had a chance to see more of their episodes. I have seen all of the new series beginning with Eccleston, and I enjoyed him a lot, was disappointed he quit so quickly, but it took less than one episode for me to accept Tennant in the role. I have yet to do that with Matt Smith, and other than the fact that she is very pretty I don't care for Karen Gillan as Amy Pond. Arthur Darvill as Rory is another matter. He's great.

I know Tom Baker is regarded very highly by long-time fans, but the few of his shows I saw back when PBS was repeating it in the 70s were so cheesy I couldn't appreciate it, but I do intend to go back and watch as many of the classic series as I can one of these days. Many are available on DVD and/or streaming from Netflix. After Elizabeth Sladen appeared in Series Two of the revival I went back and watched the story arc just prior to her arrival, which was "The Green Death," which featured the last episodes with Katy Manning as the companion. Elizabeth arrived in "The Time Warrior," and that was with No. 3, Jon Pertwee. I liked those episodes much more than I had expected.

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 11:03 AM

LILI

Doing it backwards. Walking up the downslide.

Oh, David Tennant is probably my favorite, but Matt Smith has grown on me very quickly. Tennant's Doctor was so emotional and able to tug at the heart strings, it was engrossing and could make me very happy or leave me sobbing. Matt Smith, on the other hand, is excellent at portraying the madness and brilliance and total badass-ness that is the Doctor; I've laughed and cheered a lot more during recent episodes. Chris Eccleston didn't last long, but he put a very cynical edge on the Doctor that I'm really not sure whether I liked or not. I tried to Netflix some of the old episodes with Tom Baker, since his image is synonymous with Doctor Who, but the terrible special effects and somewhat stilted dialogue did not encourage me to keep watching. Those are all I've seen.

Facts are stubborn things.

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 11:14 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by lwaves:

So Chris, have you begun watching the show or thinking of watching it?
I could give you some pointers towards the best places to start if you are thinking about starting.

I was thinking maybe my Son & I should see it- was thinking of starting with the Tennent series, but everyone seems to love Tom Baker...

The laughing Chrisisall

You can watch the new series without seeing any of the old ones. But don't start with Tennant, start with Eccleston. It's just the one season, but it does set up much of what comes later with Tennant.

Tom Baker is great, but those shows are sooooo dated. They're still great if you grew up on them, but if you don't have that nostalgia salve, it can be pretty damned hokey. Now, with your taste in vintage SciFi, you could probably roll with it. Your son... might be a harder sell.

Id say start with Eccleston, and go on through Tennant (and eventually Smith). If you fall in love with the universe, then go back and revisit some of the older tales.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by Storymark:
I'd say start with Eccleston, and go on through Tennant (and eventually Smith). If you fall in love with the universe, then go back and revisit some of the older tales.

Sounds good; will do. Thanks, Story.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 11:52 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by Storymark:
I'd say start with Eccleston, and go on through Tennant (and eventually Smith). If you fall in love with the universe, then go back and revisit some of the older tales.

Sounds good; will do. Thanks, Story.

The laughing Chrisisall

I completely agree with what Story says. Start with Eccleston as you get the back story to why the Doctor is this way at this particular time. Also you get Rose's introduction and some other characters.
Also as you haven't been through a Doctor's regeneration it can lead to the familar feeling of 'he's not as good as the last one.' Tennant won me over straight away but it took me a couple of episodes to get used to Matt Smith. Now I think he's excellent. For the youngest actor playing the oldest Doctor he really nailed the eccentric-ness of the role. I'm used to going through the changes of Doctors (being an classic fan) and there is always an adjustment period. But for everything that changes in him there is something that stays the same. Each one is still the Doctor - just different - but still the Doctor.

If/when you do go back to Tom Baker I'd suggest City Of Death, The Deadly Assassin and of course Genesis Of The Daleks as a great starting point.

"The greatest invention ever is not the wheel. It's the second wheel." - Rich Hall

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 1:06 PM

IMNOTHERE

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Originally posted by lwaves:

If/when you do go back to Tom Baker I'd suggest City Of Death, The Deadly Assassin and of course Genesis Of The Daleks as a great starting point.

Also, although the modern series is self-explanatory, the events in Genesis of the Daleks are pretty significant to the whole Daleks/Time War storyline.

I think Tom Baker is the definitive Doctor - in the years after the original series was cancelled, although there had been 3-4 subsequent Doctors, if someone wanted to go to a fancy dress party, or if a comedy show wanted to do a Doctor Who sketch, they'd most likely break out the floppy hat, long scarf and bag of jelly babies.

(In the UK, 'Who has always been mainstream TV with huge public recognition, and frequently parodied even when it had been off the air for a decade)

The style of acting in the modern show is so different from the new that its hard to make objective comparisons, but David Tennant is probably the best actor to take on the role... but Tom Baker is still the icon.

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 1:35 PM

PENGUIN

I only know the rebooted series.

Matt Smith was my first doctor, and my favorite.

Can we talk about tall, redhead companions??

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 2:00 PM

IMNOTHERE

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Originally posted by Penguin:

Can we talk about tall, redhead companions??

What?

(With all due respect to Ms Tate, maybe that wasn't who you were thinking of

)

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 3:02 PM

I would so go to the Special Hell....

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 3:34 PM

DAVESHAYNE

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Originally posted by Penguin:
I only know the rebooted series.

Matt Smith was my first doctor, and my favorite.

It's usually the case that your first Dr. is your favorite.

David

'Begone, sugar-free candy antichrist!' - Nathan Rabin.

'Geeks can't admit that anything worthwhile was invented before 1981. Soon, "making cocoa" will be called "milk hacking."' - Lore Sjoberg

http://xkcd.com/386/

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Wednesday, November 9, 2011 6:57 PM

OPTIMUS1998

Hey Chris, if you have netflix, pretty much the whole run, eccleston-smith is available for streaming. @ least the last i checked.

I personally started w/ Eccleston, but David Tennant is, and will always be MY Doctor.

I was a Lima loser for 29 years before "glee" introduced us to the term. -ME

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:01 AM

CALHOUN

I've watched Dr Who for 30yrs or so and I think this new guy (Matt Smith) is brilliant! I hope he stays on for quite a while.

Stetsons are cool

Fezs are cool

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:00 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Stetsons are cool

Fezs are cool

*fansquee* Bow ties are cool!

What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:28 AM

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Originally posted by optimus1998:
Hey Chris, if you have netflix, pretty much the whole run, eccleston-smith is available for streaming. @ least the last i checked.

Still there, though they only go up through Smith's first year. They won't have the most recent run until after it comes out on DVD.

Also, Chris, just FYI, there are currently 5 seasons available (via streaming or DVD) of the current series, but there's also a group of 4 specials set between seasons 4 and 5 (The Next Doctor, Waters of Mars and The End of Time prts 1&2), which wrap up Tennant's run.

ETA: Oddly, The Next Doctor is no longer available for streaming, but the rest still are.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 12:30 PM

TRAVELER

I think it was the jelly babies that hooked me.

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 6:45 PM

That's so funny!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Thursday, November 10, 2011 10:14 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Tom Baker, hands down.

And yes, Jelly Babies, lol - and the ridiculous scarf, to the point where I actually HAVE one, in company colors no less.

-F

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Friday, November 11, 2011 7:51 AM

JAKE7

Tom Baker and David Tennant tied for first
Peter Davidson and Christopher Eccelston tied for second.

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Friday, November 11, 2011 11:46 AM

Hey guys, we started with the Tennent Christmas episode- we'll muddle through without seeing the first season, maybe later. Anyway Sonisall & I are thrilled! Good show! Love this Tennent dude. I'll have to read up on the Timelord & such. Off to watch another now at Sonisall's demand.

Cheers!

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, November 11, 2011 1:27 PM

Okay, instant fans here. We push on with with the third ep...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, November 11, 2011 2:04 PM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

Not sure why you decided to skip over Eccleston's year. There are a couple of plot threads that carry over into the Tennant stories that you should have seen first.

Also, I'm sure you'll recognize one of the guest stars in "School Reunion."

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Friday, November 11, 2011 2:17 PM

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
Not sure why you decided to skip over Eccleston's year. There are a couple of plot threads that carry over into the Tennant stories that you should have seen first.

Also, I'm sure you'll recognize one of the guest stars in "School Reunion."

Basically, Sonisall liked Tennent at first sight (as I conjured he would) and we'd seen Eccleston in Heroes, and he didn't seem to cotton to his style. Personally, I'd have started with the first series, but I didn't want Sonisall to get turned off. He can always go back to see it (I know I will now), but my guess is Tennent is HIS Doctor, and no one else will suffice after this. I'm just amazed how FAST he took to this show.
And yeah, looks like Giles is in the next one.

I am not remotely unamused.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Friday, November 11, 2011 2:25 PM

OH, and cool thing- both Sonisall & I are HUGE Prisoner fans, so it's funny to see Ron Granier's name as the theme writer!!

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Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
OH, and cool thing- both Sonisall & I are HUGE Prisoner fans, so it's funny to see Ron Granier's name as the theme writer!!

The theme tune has been as much a part of the show as anything else. There have been good and not so good versions. I personally like Peter Howell's arrangement that ends out Tom Baker's era and goes through Peter Davison's. Although the one used during Tennant's run is a very close second and sounds great with an orchestral backing.

Glad you're both loving the show. Just remember that after Tennant's regular series there are some specials that finish off his run. Plus the other Xmas specials. Might be worth checking out an episode guide to get them in the right order as they do contain continuing themes.

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Saturday, November 12, 2011 12:49 AM

Thanks!
Now, how in the world would I ever make a cutaway model of Tardis...???

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, November 12, 2011 7:38 AM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Now, how in the world would I ever make a cutaway model of Tardis...???

You'd need to figure out how to bend space, if not time.

What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

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Saturday, November 12, 2011 8:43 AM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Now, how in the world would I ever make a cutaway model of Tardis...???

You'd need to figure out how to bend space, if not time.

Heh, I actually figured out a simple way. Might try it sometime...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Saturday, November 12, 2011 5:53 PM

Oh my Buddha! This is nearly Firefly quality! I am SO loving it! Sonisall as well! When Rose's BF stayed on the alternate Earth, there were tears....

The tearful Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Oh my Buddha! This is nearly Firefly quality! I am SO loving it! Sonisall as well! When Rose's BF stayed on the alternate Earth, there were tears....

The tearful Chrisisall

If you were in tears at that just wait until a particular upcoming beach scene.
But the one that got me was the end of Tennant's run. "He will knock four times." When I realised the real meaning behind this I went from a moment of happy 'Yeah, he did it' straight to a moment of 'Oh f***.' One of the best bits of TV ever IMO.
I shall say no more so as not to spoil it.

"The greatest invention ever is not the wheel. It's the second wheel." - Rich Hall

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 2:57 AM

Tom Baker is the king, but Tennant is also the king. We recently pondered this very question, so me and sis decided to what the docs intermingled, in random ep, and we really love them all differently, but we had to concede to the awesomeness of Tennant.

As for Amy Pond...

Your son will be eternally grateful for the introduction.

You don't actually get much of Amy Pond and David Tennant together, she comes with Matt Smith, but start with Eccleston, at the beginning. Most of the seasons are Tennant in the middle.

Amy Pond is for those times when Hermione Granger has a headache ;) but Martha and Rose are pretty hot. But OMFG.

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 2:51 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Oh my Buddha! This is nearly Firefly quality! I am SO loving it! Sonisall as well! When Rose's BF stayed on the alternate Earth, there were tears....

Oh man, the tears haven't even started... And Rose's story isn't even the most gut-wrenching, imo.

(Side note, one of the very few things I would consider changing my last name to is 'Tyler.' Just because, well, how cool would that be?)

What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 4:22 PM

IMNOTHERE

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Heh, I actually figured out a simple way. Might try it sometime...

Just reverse the polarity of the 4th dimension...

I.e. build it inside-out, with the outside detail of the blue box on the inside and everything else (literally) outside.

...and yes, I think the producers were taking a very, very close look at Buffy/Angel and maybe Firefly when they rebooted the series. A couple of seasons down the line there's an alien market scene that is very Firefly.

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 4:43 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:

Oh man, the tears haven't even started...

I gotta go buy some tissues...

The laughing Chrisisall

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 4:48 PM

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Originally posted by ImNotHere:

Just reverse the polarity of the 4th dimension...

Been there done that. Clearly you never did. I didn't need to go through my teens TWICE. But hey, how many times can you change time?

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Sunday, November 13, 2011 6:20 PM

OPPYH

Tom Baker. I grew up watching him.
I thought the sfx were hokey back then, so when I revisit episodes on Netflix I'm not shocked at how bad they are. There is almost a special charm to them.

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Monday, November 14, 2011 4:03 AM

I concur. Tom Baker was great. And Sarah Jane :(

They were slower paced, but there was a certain charm to them. I grew up with Tom Baker, and he was my fave doc, but I didn't dislike the others, they all had a certain charm. I was recently rewatching some william hartnell. I guess the rapport with the companion is key. The new ones I think to avoid the obvious conclusion they've started giving companions boyfriends, but that only seems to raise the sexual tension. I've only seen a couple of the new Matt Smith ones, but I had this sense of retargeting stories to a younger audience. New writer? Anyone else notice this?

I thought the Eccleston and Tennant shows were incredibly dark. Oh, and can we talk about how hot Amy Pond is. Um, as in, um. I don't remember Tom Baker shows having Kiss-o-grams. I think that might be a little more fun than a strip-o-gram, though I got the feeling she did that too, but that it was edited out for kiddies.

Speaking of hot, I noticed this happen in the episode with the clones and the 7 day war...

Yowza. She's actually Peter Davison's actual daughter, and Tennant quit the show and ran off with her. Is that incest? And more importantly, why are we not seeing this fling on camera?

I guess this is why Dr. Who always worked better for me than, say, Star Trek, because the character relationships are stronger, and if the sci-fi worlds are sometimes going to be a bit hokey, which they always are, then you need this.

Anyway, new who is just good. No complaints here. And Amy Pond. Yikes.

Oh, and Rose too. Did anyone catch Billie Piper auditioning for the role to be the next Dr. Who? If I recall, not once, but twice, and some other role. She wants back in badly. Also, Tennant wants not in. Bad break I guess.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, November 14, 2011 8:07 AM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Hey guys, we started with the Tennent Christmas episode- we'll muddle through without seeing the first season, maybe later.

....whatever dude... [rolleyes]

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Monday, November 14, 2011 6:12 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Yowza. She's actually Peter Davison's actual daughter, and Tennant quit the show and ran off with her.

They'll have some happy years together, no doubt.

The laughing Chrisisall

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Monday, November 14, 2011 7:30 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:

Yowza. She's actually Peter Davison's actual daughter, and Tennant quit the show and ran off with her.
They'll have some happy years together, no doubt.

The laughing Chrisisall

If not, they can just go back and try again ;)

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Monday, November 14, 2011 8:01 PM

You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
why are we not seeing this fling on camera?

My guess? Because on camera it would be incest, since she was technically his daughter on the show. (And he didn't quit the show to run off with her, they've been dating since before his run was up)
But yes, that relationship seems a bit meta, seeing as how he grew up watching Davison and idolized him and now he's marrying his daughter, who is the Fifth Doctor's real-life daughter playing the role of the Tenth Doctor's daughter and then marrying him in real life... Breaks my brain a little, but it's sweet.

What reason had proved best ceased to look absurd to the eye, which shows how idle it is to think anything ridiculous except what is wrong.

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Tuesday, November 15, 2011 2:41 AM

;)

Actually, might have made good awkward onscreen chemistry. My understanding was they hooked up shooting that ep, but we don't see them together afterwards.

I gather he had a bad break with producers over something, but seeing as he just married into the family, or his own family, now there's no escape. He'll be back. I hope she will, she has a certain spunk.

That's what a ship is, you know - it's not just a keel and a hull and a deck and sails, that's what a ship needs.

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Tuesday, November 15, 2011 7:01 AM