I am a Scaper and not too proud to beg. by JustAnotherMudder

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I am a Scaper and not too proud to beg.

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 7:21 AM

Howdy. As you may or may not be aware the Farscape Mini is airing this Sunday and Monday on the Sci Fi channel. It has occurred to me that although there are plenty of Scapers who are big Firefly fans, the reverse may not be true.
So. This is my proposal: Would any Browncoats who were not originally going to watch the Mini be willing to if you were guaranteed that a Scaper that was not originally going to see Serenity would go? A sort of exchange program, or a sponsorship of fans supporting each other’s shows. This way Scapers get more eyeballs for the Mini, (which I have been told you do not have to have knowledge of the history of the show in order to enjoy. It is newbie friendly), and Serenity gets higher box office numbers. Win win.
So who is in?
Please.

:D

"Always be yourself. Unless you suck." Joss Whedon
"Where else are you going to get a love story that begins:
Boy meets girl. Girl kicks boy's ass." NYPinTA @WatchFarscape.com

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:14 PM

HELL'S KITTEN

Quote:
Originally posted by JustAnotherMudder:
A sort of exchange program, or a sponsorship of fans supporting each other’s shows. This way Scapers get more eyeballs for the Mini, (which I have been told you do not have to have knowledge of the history of the show in order to enjoy. It is newbie friendly), and Serenity gets higher box office numbers. Win win.
So who is in?
Please.

I'm in! Gotta love that Crichton guy....

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 12:26 PM

NSSCAPER

As you can see i'm a scaper too. I would go see Serenity if you guys will watch the Farscape Mini.

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:23 PM

BIKISDAD

I'm not really, technically a Scaper (I've only seen seasons 1 & 2), but I was going to watch the mini-series anyway. Does that count?

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 2:33 PM

GINOBIFFARONI

When and If it runs in Canada, I'm all over it

" Don't Blame Me I Voted For Kudos "

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:18 PM

EMBERS

well I find this all very confusing...because frankly I can't imagine you wanting to skip 'Serenity' even if someone is too ignorant to know that Farscape is a great show!

But I will admit that I am a new Scraper...
I loved Firefly from day one because I was already a BtVS & Ats fan,
but I didn't watch many new sci-fi shows
(I had been disappointed too often)..

However a few weeks ago I went to a link
TheSpaceSite.com to participate in a poll
and I was impressed with the love that Farscape had inspired.
So when the marathon started I started watching from the first episode...
and I am completely hooked!
I just saw the Looney Toons episode! OMG!
That is right up there w/Joss' musical Buffy episode...
I am having sooo much fun!
So thank you to all Farscape fans for turning me on to this great show.

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 3:23 PM

SOUPCATCHER

I haven't watched Farscape but I plan on watching the mini-series.

There are three kinds of people: fighters, lovers, and screamers.

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Tuesday, October 12, 2004 4:16 PM

DARKJESTER

I'm not REALLY a Scaper, but I've seen maybe half the Farscape episodes, and will most definately be watching the mini-series!

MAL "You only gotta scare him."
JAYNE "Pain is scary..."

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:06 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

Quote:
Originally posted by JustAnotherMudder:
This is my proposal: Would any Browncoats who were not originally going to watch the Mini be willing to if you were guaranteed that a Scaper that was not originally going to see Serenity would go? A sort of exchange program, or a sponsorship of fans supporting each other’s shows. This way Scapers get more eyeballs for the Mini, (which I have been told you do not have to have knowledge of the history of the show in order to enjoy. It is newbie friendly), and Serenity gets higher box office numbers. Win win.
So who is in?
Please. :D

This sounds like a great idea. I never really could seem to get into Farscape, and gave up near the end of season 1, but if my watching it helps out Scapers, and they in turn go see the movie "Serenity", than sure, count me in.

Like you said, it is a win/win situation.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 3:30 AM

SABACEANBABE

Hey, y'all!

I just joined your site today in response to JAM's plea for support over on www.watchfarscape.com. :D

I am a Browncoated Scaper. While I was indeed planning on seeing Serenity, I am now planning on seeing it multiple times and dragging a different person to each viewing. I love Firefly (mmmm Mal... mmmmm Jayne...) and I love sharing my favorite things, so it's a win-win.

Nebari mental cleansing doesn't get the tough stains out.

In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 4:13 AM

JUSTANOTHERMUDDER

Yay! You all rock, you know that? :D

If any one is interested the thread I have started at WatchFarscape.com has the Scapers on the other end of this venture.
http://www.watchfarscape.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29146&page=1&pp=1
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"Always be yourself. Unless you suck." Joss Whedon
"Where else are you going to get a love story that begins:
Boy meets girl. Girl kicks boy's ass." NYPinTA @WatchFarscape.com

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 4:29 AM

UNCHARTEDOUTLAW

Seriously, for those who haven't given Farscape a try, give it a try. I was a scaper long before I was into Firefly...which is how I tumbled through a wormhole and ended up here. ;) And it also explains why I'm the "Uncharted" Outlaw!

-Taylor

Uncharted Outlaw!

Haulin' goods from one end of creation to th' other. Keepin' my nose clean 'round the Alliance. Rockin' the "Riviera" (67-K62) hardcore!

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 4:56 AM

LINDLEY

I've seen a few Farscape episodes, and have a general idea of the plot, but I've never really been drawn into it.

However, for the sake of this little exchange program, I'll definately catch the mini.

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 6:02 AM

NICOLACLARKE

No need to beg! Sounds like a great idea. Always willing to support quality SF, in the hope that someday the execs will get a clue and realise that at least some viewers would prefer intelligent stuff to Andromeda etc.

To be honest, I probably would've been a 'Scaper too - I liked what I saw, but never caught it regularly enough. And then it was gone, and it was too late...

Just one question... anyone any news on when it's going to be aired in the UK? I don't have access to Sci-Fi here at Uni, but for a mini-series I reckon my parents could be cajoled into recording it for me

/ pure intentions, juxtaposed /

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 7:41 AM

PHOEBE

Quote:
Originally posted by NicolaClarke:
No need to beg! Sounds like a great idea. Always willing to support quality SF, in the hope that someday the execs will get a clue and realise that at least some viewers would prefer intelligent stuff to Andromeda etc.

To be honest, I probably would've been a 'Scaper too - I liked what I saw, but never caught it regularly enough. And then it was gone, and it was too late...

Just one question... anyone any news on when it's going to be aired in the UK? I don't have access to Sci-Fi here at Uni, but for a mini-series I reckon my parents could be cajoled into recording it for me

/ pure intentions, juxtaposed /

Sadly, the BBC haven't even decided if they're going to show PK-War yet *cries heartily* And if we're waiting for Sci-Fi UK to air it... *whistles*... hope you don't mind waiting a couple years. In past, Sci-Fi UK has been about a year or just over a year behind BBC2 airing Farscape.

Anyway, that said, I am a HIGHLY dedicated Scaper, have been literally since the first time Farscape aired in the UK. Ironically, I always described Farscape to my Buffy-savvy pals as "Buffy in space".... then, along came Firefly, from none other than Joss...

I'd advise anyone to watch it, even if there wasn't a Firefly reward in it, you'd still find it enjoyable.

And for those interested, the trailer can be seen at http://www.apple.com/trailers/independent/farscape

Hope to see you guys watching! And hopefully, one day I'll be able to watch it too. I've been waiting for two years for this... hopefully UK TV will one day hear my tearful plea...

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:15 AM

UNCHARTEDOUTLAW

I'll be honest. And I'm really stepping out here by admitting this, but I was so into Farscape that when I saw the ads for Firefly back in '02 I immediately wrote it off as a Farscape knock-off and didn't watch it. A friend showed me the pilot off the DVDs over the summer and wow, was I ever wrong!! I mean, talk about eating my own words. Firefly's awesome and I really think that if you like Firefly, you will like Farscape.

-Taylor

Uncharted Outlaw!

Haulin' goods from one end of creation to th' other. Keepin' my nose clean 'round the Alliance. Rockin' the "Riviera" (67-K62) hardcore!

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Wednesday, October 13, 2004 9:58 AM

ZAYZO

I was sorta in the same boat as you, NicolaClarke-- Farscape looked pretty cool when I ran into it, but I never saw it regularly. Since then I've seen most of the series and have been really impressed with the writing (which, incidentally, is why I adore Firefly.) And the acting is really impressive, too-- those folks got serious chops over there.

Incidentally, for those who weren't around right after Firefly was canceled, I'll mention that a bunch of the Scapers showed us a lot of love whenever we were first getting organized. I really encourage anybody on the fence to check out the miniseries.

I'm setting the TiVo right now. :)

"Ain't nothin' wrong with your grav boot. Grav boot's just fine."

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Friday, October 15, 2004 11:04 AM

NEBARISCAPER

I too am a Scaper and a Joss fan. Not only will I be willing to plunk my 9.00 down to see Serenity, I pledge to corral as many of my friends and family to go with me with the promise of really good home cooked meal if they come peacefully. They like my cooking and might do it just for the sake of the meal :)

Ben Browder as Cody Westcott ~ more uncharted territory
www.teeswithatwist.com

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Friday, October 15, 2004 11:10 AM

BANDANAGIRL

Hello!!! The sole reason I signed on was this thread. I'm a huge scaper and somewhat of Firefly fan and I pledge that will watch serenity in the theatre at least twice and drag some friends. If it means more people watching Farscape. I will say I'm in Canada and i know it's difficult for Canadians to catch PK wars right now. So I ask you to watch and episode. It airs Saturdays at 5pm on SPACE (I don't think a lot of people know that).

I do though have a plan for some kind of public viewing in Toronto since a kind scaper is recording it on DVD for me. I'll keep you posted. :D

Y

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Friday, October 15, 2004 12:01 PM

JUSTANOTHERMUDDER

Howdy!
Don't forget, the mini starts this sunday at 9:00 on the Sci Fi channel! Please watch!

Thanks a bunch!

*hug*

"Always be yourself. Unless you suck." Joss Whedon
"Where else are you going to get a love story that begins:
Boy meets girl. Girl kicks boy's ass." NYPinTA @WatchFarscape.com

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Saturday, October 16, 2004 6:56 PM

ZAYZO

Now that the troll-induced chaos is dying down, I'll bump this thread. I popped over to their board earlier, and they sound really nice. Hop by if you get a chance:
http://www.watchfarscape.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29146&page=1&pp=1
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And watch the mini tonight at 9 on Sci-Fi if ya can. It's a good show and good karma.

"That's 'cause I got people
with me, people who trust each other,
who do for each other and ain't
always looking for the advantage."
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"Ain't nothin' wrong with your grav boot. Grav boot's just fine."

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Saturday, October 16, 2004 7:38 PM

ARCBEATLE

err, I have no cable access, will it ever air on broadcast???

If people only beleive wahts in a movie, their damn well sure beleiving Serenity.

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 4:52 AM

DEANNAMAY

I have been a Scaper since it originally came out, I have all the DVD's and can't wait for later tonight. I just wish Firefly had had the chance to make all the episodes Farscape did, so I would have all those episodes to watch over and over again.

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 5:19 AM

ZAYZO

Quote:
Originally posted by DeannaMay:
I have been a Scaper since it originally came out, I have all the DVD's and can't wait for later tonight. I just wish Firefly had had the chance to make all the episodes Farscape did, so I would have all those episodes to watch over and over again.

Yeah, there's no doubt the Scapers were unjustly slapped down at the end of season four, but I gotta say, I envy those 88 episodes... makes our cherished 13 look a bit thin. *sigh*

"Ain't nothin' wrong with your grav boot. Grav boot's just fine."

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:01 AM

BIKISDAD

Quote:
Originally posted by zayzo:

Yeah, there's no doubt the Scapers were unjustly slapped down at the end of season four, but I gotta say, I envy those 88 episodes... makes our cherished 13 look a bit thin. *sigh*

Especially considering that Farscape kept getting better and better as it went on - makes you wonder what Firefly could have done if it was given multiple seasons (or heck, even one complete season) to develop.

Damn F*X to hell!

Apathy on the Rise. No One Cares.

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 6:16 AM

ZAYZO

I was impressed with how intricate Farscape was-- really unafraid to work on more complex plots and characters instead of just settling for something smaller.

Incidentally, I just cross-posted this over at the official board:

http://browncoats.serenitymovie.com/serenity/index.html?fuseaction=for
um.viewtopic&t=6004

"Ain't nothin' wrong with your grav boot. Grav boot's just fine."

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 9:08 AM

UISCEBOO

Hi, I'm uisceboo (call me boo or whisky). I am a Scaper, and another Scaper recently hooked me on Firefly. You guys are great! Thanks for watching the mini tonight!

I already have a banner for Serenity running on my website. I am sooooo glad there will be a movie, and that the eps made it to DVD so quickly!

Quote:
Originally posted by arcbeatle:
err, I have no cable access, will it ever air on broadcast???

You mean the miniseries? A lot of fans will be taping it. Jump over to one of the Farscape boards( http://www.watchfarscape.com/forums/ Frell Me Dead is one), and someone in your area can hook up with you or maybe mail you a tape.

Or you can watch it with a friend, or

at a bar.

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http://sanetv.com
http://farwhat.com

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:42 AM

ZAYZO

Glad to meet ya, boo.

"Ain't nothin' wrong with your grav boot. Grav boot's just fine."

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 5:45 PM

SCAPERGAL

I'll definetly watch Serenity if it gets an Aussie release. If not, I'll buy the DVD. Scifi is also airing the first half of the Farscape mini-series (as well as the second half) on Monday 18th Oct. Thanks for watching Browncoats! :)

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 5:58 PM

UISCEBOO

Oh my, just saw part 1. No spoilers. Just prepare to have your socks knocked off. And your coats...shirts...britches...

...teeth...

And THANK YOU! :D

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"Do you think you be a little less evil than that?" Leela, Futurama

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 9:02 PM

NEUTRINOLAD

Let me just say this as a Browncoat:

Peackeeper Wars Part 1
Saw it.
Loved it.
Can't wait for the 2nd part.

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 9:06 PM

SOUPCATCHER

What NeutrinoLad said!

There are three kinds of people: fighters, lovers, and screamers.

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Sunday, October 17, 2004 10:17 PM

DINGOACTION

Hey, great idea! I was already planning on seeing both, but it's fun to see Scapers and Browncoats work together. My family just rolled their eyes (and made me buy a new VCR) when I announced I was hooked on Farscape (due in fact to artwork, of all things, that I saw over at heroinechic.net while looking at Firefly wallpapers) and was going to tape the marathon. Which I'm only partially caught up on (just watched relativity...sigh) because of school--no SciFi up here, getting the tapes a week late. Meaning I have to wait unti I can get home to get the mini...so, thanks, uisceboo (typing the whole thing 'cause it's fun to pronounce) for the no-spoilers post. Glad it's as good as I was hoping!

You're not on the list. Are you with Farscape?
I AM Farscape.

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Monday, October 18, 2004 4:58 AM

SABACEANBABE

Quote:
Originally posted by zayzo:
I was impressed with how intricate Farscape was-- really unafraid to work on more complex plots and characters instead of just settling for something smaller.

Incidentally, I just cross-posted this over at the official board:

http://browncoats.serenitymovie.com/serenity/index.html?fuseaction=for
um.viewtopic&t=6004

"Ain't nothin' wrong with your grav boot. Grav boot's just fine."

Thank you so much, zayzo! You rock!!!

Nebari mental cleansing doesn't get the tough stains out.

In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"

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Monday, October 18, 2004 7:04 AM

BROWNCOAT1

May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one.

A big Browncoat welcome to all the Scapers signing on. Great to have each and every one of you with us.

I checked out the PK Wars last night and it was great. I have a friend who is a Scaper watch w/ me to fill me in on references I missed due to not seeing the show before. He would catch me up during commercial breaks.

After watching PK Wars, I am now going to go out and get the 1st season of Farscape on DVD to give it another try.

Keep flyin' Scapers.

__________________________________________

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

Richmond, VA & surrounding area Firefly Meet Up:
http://firefly.meetup.com/9/boards/

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Monday, October 18, 2004 8:21 AM

ZAYZO

It is completely my pleasure. One good turn...

I'm looking forward to part two tonight, too.

"Ain't nothin' wrong with your grav boot. Grav boot's just fine."

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Monday, October 18, 2004 9:09 AM

CYBERSNARK

Quote:
Originally posted by zayzo:
One good turn...

Will probably break or jam something critically important.

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We applied the cortical electrodes but were unable to get a neural reaction from either patient.

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Monday, October 18, 2004 12:39 PM

MAUGWAI

I missed the first few episodes of Firefly because around here it was on the same time slot as Farscape. I loved the first part of the mini. My boyfriend called the second it was over so I could explain everything to him, which usually goes the other way when I need him to explain comic book characters.

But here's a question. If enough people do watch the miniseries, will it bring back the show? Or is there no more Farscape after tonight, no matter what?

"Dear diary, today I was pompous and my sister was crazy."

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Monday, October 18, 2004 3:03 PM

ZAYZO

Quote:
Originally posted by Cybersnark:
Quote:
Originally posted by zayzo:
One good turn...
Will probably break or jam something critically important.

lol-- probably so.

I'm not sure what the plan is from here; I've just been poking around watchfarscape.com, and I've seen talk of a new show or a feature film, but I haven't lurked enough to really have the skinny on anything. One of the Scapers could tell us, I reckon...

Part two firing up in just a few minutes, folks. Enjoy the show.

"Ain't nothin' wrong with your grav boot. Grav boot's just fine."

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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 4:44 AM

UNCHARTEDOUTLAW

I genuinely don't know. I hope there's more Farscape after this. I'm sure they've left it open for new directions. Honestly, I taped the miniseries and I've teased myself the past couple mornings by watching a couple minutes of it. Looks awesome!

-Taylor

Uncharted Outlaw!

Haulin' goods from one end of creation to th' other. Keepin' my nose clean 'round the Alliance. See my Firefly Store: http://www.cafepress.com/NorCalRiviera

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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 4:59 AM

JUSTANOTHERMUDDER

The producers have hinted that there may be a possible movie... but it depends a lot on how well the mini does, and how good the DVD sales are.
Also, it would be a nice

to Skiffy if the mini got fantastic ratings.

Edit: If it isn't too much trouble you could wander over to Amazon.com and request an email notification for when the Mini DVD is available. They keep track of the interest... and we want a lot of interest. Thanks.
Edit again: the link http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005JNG2/qid=109819762
0/sr=2-1/102-6468263-1448168?v=glance&s=dvd
BTW- if you missed it and didn't get to tape it, they are airing both parts agian Sunday at 3:00 pm. Nice way to spend an afternoon...

"Always be yourself. Unless you suck." Joss Whedon
"Where else are you going to get a love story that begins:
Boy meets girl. Girl kicks boy's ass." NYPinTA @WatchFarscape.com

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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:00 AM

SABACEANBABE

I was just a puddle of goo for hours after it ended... :goo:

In answer to your questions, Brian Henson has said that he wanted to wait to see the response to the mini (more the fans' response than the actual Nielsen ratings, but I'm sure those will also be a factor), but that he wanted to make more. The things we've been hearing from him and from Ben Browder are feature film and/or spin-off series.

If you're at all interested in seeing more, you could send him a nice note:

Brian Henson
The Jim Henson Company
1416 N. La Brea Ave.
Hollywood, CA 90028

Or you could visit www.henson.com and send them an email asking for more.

Well, part one of the great Scaper/Browncoat exchange has been completed. Now I start looking forward (even more) to that frelling big damn movie. Shiny!

Nebari mental cleansing doesn't get the tough stains out.

In the immortal words of Socrates, "I drank what?"

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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 5:36 AM

GRUESOME

I am apparently in the minority, but I thought the mini-series was pretty bad.

My wife and I had rented the first 3 seasons and watched them over the last month and a half and got about half-way through the 4th after it was released a couple weeks ago, but watched the mini-series anyway...

I don't know why everyone thought it was so good. Perhaps it has been a while since everyone saw the series?

But as someone that just watched it, many of the episodes for the first time even, the mini-series was a large step backwards in plot, dialogue and character development, IMO.

And without wanting to go into spoilers too much, the whole "Rigel Situation" was just plain stupid in my opinion. Added to that, today is my daughter's first birthday, so it was exactly a year ago that my wife was in labor, without drugs, giving birth... When she saw Aeryn running along blazing away, baby underarm, 4 minutes after giving birth, she just burst out laughing at the absurdity of it...

Yeah yeah, blah blah blah sebacians recover instantly...

I'll stick with the more likely culprit, bad writing...

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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:08 AM

RADHIL

*shrug* The Rygel situation was no more or less insane or stupid than any other situation they've been in over the last four seasons. It was more or less a disposable gag (except when Aeryn pulled her gun on him during the "wedding" - that bit was too classic), but they can't all be gems.

I noticed Aeryn chuggin' along after too - I didn't think Sebaceans = tough-ass. I thought Aeryn = tough-ass.

To me, the whole thing came off as though they took their whole Season 5 planning storyboard (which I'm sure they still had), put it in a vacuum packer, and told that story in four hours as best they could. It made it a little uneven at points (the miracle appearance of Jothee threw me for a loop personally), but it's still the finish that was planned and was worth telling.

Radhil Trebors
Persona Under Construction

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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:21 AM

GRUESOME

No argument here that fans deserved better closure than they had.

It just seems to me that a lot of bad writing is being forgiven towards those ends...

And the Rygel thing still seems waaaay over the top for even this show to me.

Understand that you are replying to someone that just rewatched the introduction of Scorpius and all the beginnings of the great storylines of the show within the last month...

So compared to the Farscape *I* have been watching of late, this stood out in stark contrast as amongst the worst I have seen...

But, I am honestly not looking to convince anyone of this. If you enjoyed it, great. I am envious. I am just a bit surprised that no one else felt this way.

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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 6:44 AM

UNCHARTEDOUTLAW

Honestly, I've not seen the whole thing and will be able to better comment on it later this week. But from what I've seen and how excited I am to have Farscape back even for just 4hrs, it looks damn good. But yeah, it's true that they more or less had to pack all they wanted to do in the 5th season into the miniseries.

-Taylor

Uncharted Outlaw!

Haulin' goods from one end of creation to th' other. Keepin' my nose clean 'round the Alliance. See my Firefly Store: http://www.cafepress.com/NorCalRiviera

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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:05 AM

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Originally posted by gruesome:
When she saw Aeryn running along blazing away, baby underarm, 4 minutes after giving birth, she just burst out laughing at the absurdity of it...

I agree that the whole baby business was absurd, no matter how you talk about genetically engineered soldiers
but that doesn't detract at all (IMO) from the brilliance of most of the mini series...

the homage to the film '2001' was one of my very favorite moments!

So inspite of minor disappointments (I hoped for a last minute redemption of Sikozu w/her using her radiation power again...), I feel that they did a brilliant job of winding up the whole worm hole arc with a lot of humor without sacrificing the important characters and relationships...

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Tuesday, October 19, 2004 7:28 AM

GRUESOME

I'd be interested in understanding how I'd feel about it without ANY of the baby business...

In retrospect, its the vast majority of what I didn't like. I can forgive the sudden and miraculous appearance of D'argo's(spelling?) kid as things like that I am fully willing to write off to having to crunch a season down to 4 hours.

But I just felt like EVERY cut to Rygel killed mood and pace. Not to mention the cliche of the baby in the first place. It is CLASSIC "jump the shark" material in a regular series. (If you don't understand the reference, its a long story...)
... and here they shoved it all into 4 hours in a way that just kept killing mood for me.

Anyway... I've said my piece. I suspect that most people are willing to forgive them these things for the closure they got and that is ok...

Its not like its the first time I have watched something and found it bad only to see everyone around me raving about it! (*cough* BattleStar Sex-Lactica *cough*)

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