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A Big Problem for Republicans
Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:42 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:On my first road trip two years ago, I stopped here to meet with a group of first responders–police officers, firefighters and EMT workers. It turned out to be one of the most memorable meetings I’ve ever had. The high, or low, point was when I asked the group how many of their homes were “under water”–that is, worth less than their mortgages–and of 11 raised their hands. These people were the heart of the American middle class, and they were suffering. “Not much has changed there,” said Kevin Gentry, a firefighter and adjunct law professor at Michigan State, who had gathered members of the group once again to give me an update. “We’re all still under water.” But, once again, this group of first responders had some very smart insights into the state of the union. “This time I came prepared,” said Pat Moll, a local police officer, a conservative who last time had memorably said that he just didn’t like President Obama, but thought it was more important for the federal government to provide FDR-style jobs programs than work on deficit reduction. Most of the first responders had voted for the Republican businessman Rick Snyder in the 2010 gubernatorial election. They had voted for a Republican legislature as well. And now they were bitterly disappointed. “We really need to get the economy moving here,” Kevin Gentry said, “and all these guys want to deal with are social issues, and irrelevant stuff. They want to regulate abortion clinics out of business. There was a big fight over a no-helmet law for motorcycle riders. They’re spending too much time on whether to build a second bridge to Canada.” “I’m not very happy with the governor, either,” said Pat Moll. “He’s attacked our public workers–the teachers and police officers.” “They’re trying to take away money from the University of Michigan for doing research on things like stem cells,” said Hilary Gentry, who is married to Kevin and works for a state health agency. “And they just banned two state reps from the legislature for using the word ‘vagina.’ How ridiculous is that?!” “I voted for Snyder but I can’t vote for Romney,” Kevin Gentry said. “He’s running on the same thing that Snyder did–he’s a businessman, but he has a conservative social agenda. And we’ve seen what comes first when they get in office.” Gentry also said that Romney’s opposition to the auto bailout “makes him look stupid in Michigan.” (Although Gentry took pains to point out the difference between the auto bailout, which helped average folks, and the bank bailouts, which only helped the bankers to “line their pockets.”) “I think,” said Officer Moll, “we’re screwed either way.” But Obama seemed more acceptable to the group than Romney did. “I’ve never been a Democrat, but I like Obama,” said Ruth Grant, who is an investigating coroner. “All of these politicians are so egotistical in Washington,” she said, and added that she was particularly upset with the Republicans. “They don’t want to pass anything for the people because the President is not on their side and they don’t want him to get credit.” This conversation reminded me of several I had in North Carolina and Virginia where Republicans had taken control of state legislatures and used their power to focus on social issues. Moderate Republicans in those states, including the business community, were infuriated, too. If any, or all, of these states vote for Obama–especially Virginia–he’s likely to win the presidency…and he’ll do it the old-fashioned way: because people sampled Republican control after the election of 2010 and found it feckless in a difficult economic time.
Sunday, June 17, 2012 6:12 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Sunday, June 17, 2012 7:53 AM
1KIKI
Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.
Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:02 AM
M52NICKERSON
DALEK!
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: This country wasn't founded for the purpose of employing fire, police and EMT's. They are the benefit of us all,not our purpose for being.
Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:45 AM
Quote: It is the government's job to protect us, and those are the people who do.
Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:47 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: This country wasn't founded for the purpose of employing fire, police and EMT's.
Sunday, June 17, 2012 8:51 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: And it's also the govt's job to spend the tax payer's money wisely, and not fritter it away on a bunch of pork and unnecessary projects, at the cost of leaving essential services at risk. Which is EXACTLY what is going on here.
Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:06 AM
Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:21 AM
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: And it's also the govt's job to spend the tax payer's money wisely, and not fritter it away on a bunch of pork and unnecessary projects, at the cost of leaving essential services at risk. Which is EXACTLY what is going on here. “I’m not very happy with the governor, either,” said Pat Moll. “He’s attacked our public workers–the teachers and police officers.” Apparently not. I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.
Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:33 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: 1kiki - No, i have no recollection of denying that I started those threads, because I never did deny it.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: I made no " claims ", what so ever.
Quote:The fruits of community organizing Originally posted by AURaptor: Quote: 10 Dead, 41 Hurt in Violent Chicago Weekend http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Violent-Chicago-Weekend-155317885.html
Quote: 10 Dead, 41 Hurt in Violent Chicago Weekend http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Violent-Chicago-Weekend-155317885.html
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: Democrat dominated Chicago, home of Barack Hussein Obama, and all that community organizing, along w/ his former Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel now as mayor.
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: They were the fruits of being community organized. As the title states.
Quote:Originally posted by Geezer: If you have a candidate who touts his credentials as a community organizer in Chicago, you'd expect one result of his organizing might be less violence in the community. Or are you saying that community organization has no effect at all on changing folk's view of what their personal responsibility towards others in the community (like whether to shoot them or not) is?
Quote:46 Hurt, 8 Killed in Violent Chicago Weekend ( Not recycling Memorial Day Weekend story )
Sunday, June 17, 2012 9:39 AM
Quote:I made no " claims ", what so ever. I merely posted the facts. Geezer correctly pointed out , 1kiki, that YOU were the one who made COMPARISONS, out of thin air, which really had zero do to with what my post was about. Basically, you ignored what was being said, and then went on about your merry, making up an entirely different issue.
Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by AURaptor: "They’re spending too much time on whether to build a second bridge to Canada." If they have the money for it, fine. But is it essential ? That's for the states to decide.
Sunday, June 17, 2012 11:11 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Quote:You keep making shit up, rappy. I'm wondering if you're off your meds. Prolly. One more time, for the slow kids on the short bus...
Sunday, June 17, 2012 11:44 AM
Sunday, June 17, 2012 12:03 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Quote:What are you going to complain about - that I quote you? Or that I link your very own posts?
Sunday, June 17, 2012 4:06 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by m52nickerson: It is the government's job to protect us, and those are the people who do.
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