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Monday, December 19, 2016 8:48 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I loved it. I want to see it again in Cinema, at least another time. Although it had the hype of Episode 1, this one delivers, like Episode 4 did.

Very enjoyable.

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Tuesday, December 20, 2016 10:35 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly



#k2so #firefly mashup
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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Tuesday, December 20, 2016 10:42 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


Rogue One/Serenity similarities beyond starring Alan Tudyk.

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For those who have seen 'Rogue One', did anybody else think that the ending was pretty similar to 'Serenity'? I'm not accusing the writers of ripping it off or anything, just a lot of similarities:

Large sky battle. It's Star Wars though so this is obvious.

The final land battle is centered around taking a data tape with information about the evil government and broadcasting it via a big antenna.

Alan Tudyk's character dies early in the final conflict.

Things don't go easily in broadcasting the information and so the protagonist has to jump and climb up onto a platform with a long fall below, all while being closely pursued by the villain.

The bad guy is left alive, hurt but alive, at the broadcast platform as the hero(es) hobble away.

Again, not saying the movie ripped off our movie or anything, I quite enjoyed 'Rogue One', but my first thought after it was over was "Wow, that had a very similar ending to 'Serenity'."



The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Wednesday, December 21, 2016 12:40 AM

MOOSE


Anyone notice that K2SO did Wash's "flick 3 switches" when they getting ready to leave Yavin 4 the first time? I may have miscounted, but it looked like 3 to me.

I enjoyed the movie.

Eta: one of the redditors in the above link caught it as well.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:34 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I forgot to mention that one thing which bothered me the most was that many of the best scenes in trailers and clips where left out of the film.

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Wednesday, December 28, 2016 3:20 AM

SHINYGOODGUY


I agree, I liked it a lot.


SGG


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I loved it. I want to see it again in Cinema, at least another time. Although it had the hype of Episode 1, this one delivers, like Episode 4 did.

Very enjoyable.


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Wednesday, December 28, 2016 6:05 AM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:
Anyone notice that K2SO did Wash's "flick 3 switches" when they getting ready to leave Yavin 4 the first time? I may have miscounted, but it looked like 3 to me.

I enjoyed the movie.

Eta: one of the redditors in the above link caught it as well.



Both were pilots and both had great lines. And didn't K2S0 say something like ' we're coming - for you ' or some such ? Reminded me of when Wash was talking to Zoe, before eventually saving them all w/ the barnswallow maneuver. Forget the exact line, but I thought of Wash as soon as I heard him say it.

And apparently I'm the only one in the 'verse who has an issue w/ the ending to Rogue 1 and the opening scene of Ep 4, A New Hope.

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The ridiculous claim by the Princess that her ship was on a " diplomatic mission to Alderran " , when CLEARLY it was just involved in the huge battle and was in hot pursuit by a Star Destroyer which it had just ran from at the end of R-1 !!



Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

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Thursday, December 29, 2016 8:17 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I keep forgetting to also mention that I enjoyed the continuity of all of the rebel pilots reveling in the 70's fashion motif - hair, stache, and they need some monster lapels.

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Thursday, December 29, 2016 9:48 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


I actually did not like the movie, and neither did my crew. I get there wasn't time for character development, but there really wasn't ANY in this, and half of the scenes were nightmare level busy. Several times I looked at hubby and asked when it would be over, as all but the last quarter of the movie d.r.a.g.g.e.d. on. Even had the stereotypical "opening and closing of the dangerous vent" thing from Galaxy Quest. I went into it knowing that all the characters would die, but there was no inspiration to be gleaned here. I didn't care when they died, except for the damn robot.

They even managed to make the death of the Asian guy feel like they were making fun of the force. It was more dumb luck, him pulling the lever, than any connection with the force. His sidekick might as well have been wearing a red shirt...

I won't own it, and I won't be watching it again. But then, hype doesn't make me like a movie more...

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Saturday, December 31, 2016 12:42 AM

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It wuz OK.

About the dijital rezurectionz - I dont know why they didnt make them perfect, kuz I'v seen fake dijital actorz that you cant tell they are fake from yirz ago.

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Saturday, December 31, 2016 5:20 AM

MOOSE


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

And apparently I'm the only one in the 'verse who has an issue w/ the ending to Rogue 1 and the opening scene of Ep 4, A New Hope.

Select to view spoiler:


The ridiculous claim by the Princess that her ship was on a " diplomatic mission to Alderran " , when CLEARLY it was just involved in the huge battle and was in hot pursuit by a Star Destroyer which it had just ran from at the end of R-1 !!




Well, it's not like it worked.

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Saturday, December 31, 2016 5:13 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:
Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:

And apparently I'm the only one in the 'verse who has an issue w/ the ending to Rogue 1 and the opening scene of Ep 4, A New Hope.

Select to view spoiler:


The ridiculous claim by the Princess that her ship was on a " diplomatic mission to Alderran " , when CLEARLY it was just involved in the huge battle and was in hot pursuit by a Star Destroyer which it had just ran from at the end of R-1 !!




Well, it's not like it worked.


Yeah. Diplomatic denial, I don't see it as a big deal - or are you taking the words as literally factual statements? Is this really a lack of continuity?

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Saturday, December 31, 2016 5:23 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:
Anyone notice that K2SO did Wash's "flick 3 switches" when they getting ready to leave Yavin 4 the first time? I may have miscounted, but it looked like 3 to me.

I enjoyed the movie.

Eta: one of the redditors in the above link caught it as well.



Both were pilots and both had great lines. And didn't K2S0 say something like ' we're coming - for you ' or some such ? Reminded me of when Wash was talking to Zoe, before eventually saving them all w/ the barnswallow maneuver. Forget the exact line, but I thought of Wash as soon as I heard him say it.


Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall


Also Spoilers:
I also thought it familiar territory when the protagonists must forge forward to get the media (Jin +2 in R1, Mal in BDM) while the rest stay back and hold off the overwhelming forces (the rebel volunteers in R1, the BDH in BDM), and also when the surprising and unplanned help turns the tables on the bleak outlook and squashes the enemy (Rebel Dog fighters defying their Council in R1, River's "My Turn" against Reavers in BDM)

Also, when K2 conveys his final face-to-face line to Jin, I was reminded of Simon speaking to Mal at the end of Serenity - but this was the Pilot Episode Serenity.


I had not been aware that all of the key players would die, but understood that a few pivotal agents would sacrifice, based upon the lines in A New Hope. Wishi- did you enjoy other films in the 7 film (besides R1) franchise so far? If so, which and why?

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Saturday, December 31, 2016 9:36 PM

AURAPTOR

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Yeah. Diplomatic denial, I don't see it as a big deal - or are you taking the words as literally factual statements? Is this really a lack of continuity?



I'm talking about the entire sequence of events as being ridiculous , in every way ! First, the Princess is a member of the Senate, no ? What the hell is she doing in a full scale battle ? She's not in space battle gear, she's likely not studied at space-military academy, right ? If her ' cover ' is to be a 'diplomatic' representative, why risk her being on the front lines, as it were ?

Second, who is she trying to fool ? The ship was clearly JUST IN A MAJOR BATTLE , which the Rebels attacked an Empire base. It completely changes the focus of the opening of ANH if they really are on a cover trip to some diplomatic mission, and are covertly trying to get the plan to the Rebel base. Origianlly, the Empire comes off as all iron fisted and heavy handed, pulling over anyone and everyone they want, just cause or not. But here, it's clear they were attacked, the ship in the battle tried to make an escape, was caught, and ...

" Oh, us ? We're on a diplomatic mission, ... yeah, that's the ticket ! "

Lame !

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Saturday, December 31, 2016 9:37 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Wishi- did you enjoy other films in the 7 film (besides R1) franchise so far? If so, which and why?




Oh yeah. Even bought these tickets on the internets to be sure we got in, sometimes we are late, and it's a small theater.

I had guessed they would kill just about everyone off just because it was a one shot movie. They didn't want to be left with straggling questions and threads to pick up. Plus, it would bring extra meaning to the whole "many people died to bring us this info." The only thing it had to achieve for the cannon was an "In Memoriam" feel when you leave, and it did that. There was no emotional connection for me at all. Jyn didn't really care about taking down the Empire until they talked her into going and the whole rousing speech felt contrived and faked. I had no reason to really care about the protagonist...she was just a victim of circumstance. If I knew the Empire had killed a part of my family, and held the rest hostage, my honor would demand someone's head on a plate or I would die trying. Instead, she shrugged her shoulders and said "whatever" for 20 years. Reeeeal inspiration there.

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Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:53 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by AURaptor:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Yeah. Diplomatic denial, I don't see it as a big deal - or are you taking the words as literally factual statements? Is this really a lack of continuity?



I'm talking about the entire sequence of events as being ridiculous , in every way !


I had not really thought there were a pile of gaping errors, and don't recall people debating such, unlike the obvious boondoggle of Star Trek.
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First, the Princess is a member of the Senate, no ?


No. The story I got from watching the films was that she was Senator in Episode 1, and then in Episode 2 she had reached her term limit and was no longer a Senator. Or maybe that was Episode 3.
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What the hell is she doing in a full scale battle ?


In which Episode? In One she was sorta plucked, or kidnapped, or caught up when visiting Anakin, wasn't she? She was being held captive by the Empire, right?
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She's not in space battle gear, she's likely not studied at space-military academy, right ? If her ' cover ' is to be a 'diplomatic' representative, why risk her being on the front lines, as it were ?


You talking about a particular Episode, or throughout Ep 1-3?
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Second, who is she trying to fool ?


Don't call me Second - that is a different sock puppet than me.
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The ship was clearly JUST IN A MAJOR BATTLE , which the Rebels attacked an Empire base. It completely changes the focus of the opening of ANH if they really are on a cover trip to some diplomatic mission, and are covertly trying to get the plan to the Rebel base.


I'm trying to recall. R2D2 and C3PO were jettisoned from Leia's ship onto Tantooine, residence of Obi-Wan, right? R2D2 had the Plans, right?
If this is correct, I don't see a change in context here. If I recall this correctly, we already knew that these plans were on Leia's ship. The R2D2 jettison was to circumvent the discovery during the inevitable catch and boarding of Leia's ship by the Empire, and then ANH's mission was to get the plans back to Leia, and all the way to the Rebel Command. Along the way some Luke guy got tangled up in the intrigue. Do I have all that right? If so, it sounds like the story was the same before R1 comes out.
I don't see a difference, can you point it out? I'm not trying to be dense, I'm just not sure where the holes are or IIRC.
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Origianlly, the Empire comes off as all iron fisted and heavy handed, pulling over anyone and everyone they want, just cause or not.


Ummm. PLANET killer? Hello? They already indiscriminately torched a rebel-friendly city plus a religious Mecca-like place, even if they've been raping the place for Kyber crystals awhile. And in this "battle" they annihilate another city, an Empire place, with folks expecting some immunity from Empire horrors since they live in, yanno, an Empire-protected place.
What part of that does not scream "iron-fisted" or "heavy handed" to you?
And then the early part of ANH they obliterate Anderal?? - sorry I just drew a blank on the name.
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But here, it's clear they were attacked, the ship in the battle tried to make an escape, was caught, and ...

" Oh, us ? We're on a diplomatic mission, ... yeah, that's the ticket ! "

Lame !

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall


I don't know - diplomatic mission is the hallmark excuse for spies. Unless I'm missing something that you have not specified enough.

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Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:59 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Wishimay:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Wishi- did you enjoy other films in the 7 film (besides R1) franchise so far? If so, which and why?




Oh yeah. Even bought these tickets on the internets to be sure we got in, sometimes we are late, and it's a small theater.

I had guessed they would kill just about everyone off just because it was a one shot movie. They didn't want to be left with straggling questions and threads to pick up. Plus, it would bring extra meaning to the whole "many people died to bring us this info." The only thing it had to achieve for the cannon was an "In Memoriam" feel when you leave, and it did that. There was no emotional connection for me at all. Jyn didn't really care about taking down the Empire until they talked her into going and the whole rousing speech felt contrived and faked.


I thought she "knew" that her father was working for the Empire, laboring to create this Death Star, an embarrassment to her and her kin. Her turnaround is when she sees the hologram message, her dad explains what he has been doing all these years, and how to save the galaxy thanks to him.
I can understand her not wanting to be known as the daughter of the Benedict Arnold of her Universe, and also her change of tune once she learns the truth, even when nobody else believes her.
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I had no reason to really care about the protagonist...she was just a victim of circumstance. If I knew the Empire had killed a part of my family, and held the rest hostage, my honor would demand someone's head on a plate or I would die trying. Instead, she shrugged her shoulders and said "whatever" for 20 years. Reeeeal inspiration there.


Did you miss all that?

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Thursday, January 5, 2017 10:28 PM

MOOSE


JSF, I think you're confusing Princess Leia (also a Senator) with her mom (who was Queen and then Senator).

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Thursday, January 5, 2017 11:09 PM

WISHIMAY

There will be fire and brimstone and Earth will be destroyed!... in several billion years!----------------------------------------- "Well, so long Earth. Thanks for the air... and what-not." -Philip J. Fry


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

I thought she "knew" that her father was working for the Empire, laboring to create this Death Star, an embarrassment to her and her kin. Her turnaround is when she sees the hologram message, her dad explains what he has been doing all these years,



She saw her mother killed, she knew they were coming for him and why, she knew he had no choice but to go with him, and she decided not to care for 20 years. Her loyalty was underwhelming. Even when she saw the hologram, she didn't readily sign up, she had to be talked into it. Her dad was awesome, her? Not so much...

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Friday, January 6, 2017 7:23 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!


Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:
JSF, I think you're confusing Princess Leia (also a Senator) with her mom (who was Queen and then Senator).




Thanks for beating me to that. I was having a hard time trying to figure out if JSF was being serious, had confused the two, or what !

Reminded me of this gal, actually -




Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:30 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:
JSF, I think you're confusing Princess Leia (also a Senator) with her mom (who was Queen and then Senator).


You are correct.
I had the impression RapKnight was referring to Amidala, Senator for Alderran. Who was Princess Leia Senator for?

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Sunday, January 8, 2017 6:15 PM

MOOSE


Amidala was Senator for Naboo, Leia was for Alderran.

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Monday, January 9, 2017 7:24 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:
Amidala was Senator for Naboo, Leia was for Alderran.


Excellent. I need to brush up.

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:16 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


I've only seen Rogue One a few times. Now I finally bought it.

FYI I also noticed the original trilogy on Sale for $15 on Blu-ray, at Target.

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 5:24 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Wow... It's amazing how cheap the internet has made movies. I remember buying the original trilogy on VHS in the late 90's for 30 bucks, back when gas was around 90 cents a gallon.

Is it the actual original trilogy, or the "Special Edition"?



BTW... I haven't downloaded and watched it yet, but there is a fan project online that has re-created the original trilogy as it was released in the theaters. This version was never seen again after the original theatrical runs, as it was edited for every home release and later theatrical showings. I watched a video on youtube about the history of this project and the many tricks they've used to pull this off.

I'm looking forward to eventually seeing this because I wasn't even born when the first movie came out so I've never seen this version before.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 7:15 AM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Wow... It's amazing how cheap the internet has made movies. I remember buying the original trilogy on VHS in the late 90's for 30 bucks, back when gas was around 90 cents a gallon.

Is it the actual original trilogy, or the "Special Edition"?



BTW... I haven't downloaded and watched it yet, but there is a fan project online that has re-created the original trilogy as it was released in the theaters. This version was never seen again after the original theatrical runs, as it was edited for every home release and later theatrical showings. I watched a video on youtube about the history of this project and the many tricks they've used to pull this off.

I'm looking forward to eventually seeing this because I wasn't even born when the first movie came out so I've never seen this version before.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

i don't know which versions, I meant the Episodes IV-VI.

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 7:54 AM

MOOSE


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Wow... It's amazing how cheap the internet has made movies. I remember buying the original trilogy on VHS in the late 90's for 30 bucks, back when gas was around 90 cents a gallon.
/b]



I remember the 1977 Star Wars VHS going for near $100 in the early '80s, when the home video market was just starting up.

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 12:58 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Wow... It's amazing how cheap the internet has made movies. I remember buying the original trilogy on VHS in the late 90's for 30 bucks, back when gas was around 90 cents a gallon.
/b]



I remember the 1977 Star Wars VHS going for near $100 in the early '80s, when the home video market was just starting up.

Really?
I thought copies of the first 3 were kept unavailable until the 90s, just before the 20th Anniversary.

I do recall that most every home viewing tape cost about $80, I think the same for VHS and BetaMax, but don't recall any Star Wars ever among them. Individual ownership was embargoed for a long time on SW.

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 6:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Wow... It's amazing how cheap the internet has made movies. I remember buying the original trilogy on VHS in the late 90's for 30 bucks, back when gas was around 90 cents a gallon.

Is it the actual original trilogy, or the "Special Edition"?



BTW... I haven't downloaded and watched it yet, but there is a fan project online that has re-created the original trilogy as it was released in the theaters. This version was never seen again after the original theatrical runs, as it was edited for every home release and later theatrical showings. I watched a video on youtube about the history of this project and the many tricks they've used to pull this off.

I'm looking forward to eventually seeing this because I wasn't even born when the first movie came out so I've never seen this version before.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

i don't know which versions, I meant the Episodes IV-VI.



Right. The "Original Trilogy". We're talking about the same ones.

I was wondering if this release was the late 90's release without the "Special Edition" effects and extra scenes added.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 6:20 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
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Originally posted by Moose:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Wow... It's amazing how cheap the internet has made movies. I remember buying the original trilogy on VHS in the late 90's for 30 bucks, back when gas was around 90 cents a gallon.
/b]



I remember the 1977 Star Wars VHS going for near $100 in the early '80s, when the home video market was just starting up.

Really?
I thought copies of the first 3 were kept unavailable until the 90s, just before the 20th Anniversary.

I do recall that most every home viewing tape cost about $80, I think the same for VHS and BetaMax, but don't recall any Star Wars ever among them. Individual ownership was embargoed for a long time on SW.



Would have been before my time, for sure. I don't believe I ever saw the Star Wars movies until they were on cable TV when I was around 6 or 7 years old.

I do remember seeing a commercial for Willow being released on VHS for over $100 back in the 80's!

I think that maybe Lucasfilm was charging the public the same licensing fees that they were charging video stores like Blockbuster.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 7:01 PM

MOOSE


Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Really?
I thought copies of the first 3 were kept unavailable until the 90s, just before the 20th Anniversary.

I do recall that most every home viewing tape cost about $80, I think the same for VHS and BetaMax, but don't recall any Star Wars ever among them. Individual ownership was embargoed for a long time on SW.



I don't know what to say except that you're wrong. Any casual search will show you that. It had releases on Betamax, VHS, and Laser Disc. By the time the 20th Anniversary came about, I had 4 different releases including a sweet Boxset that had VHS Letterbox versions.

I haven't checked Target, but I'd bet the blurays on sale are Special Editons, since it would be pretty big news if the original Theatrical versions were released on bluray.

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 7:13 PM

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Originally posted by Moose:
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Really?
I thought copies of the first 3 were kept unavailable until the 90s, just before the 20th Anniversary.

I do recall that most every home viewing tape cost about $80, I think the same for VHS and BetaMax, but don't recall any Star Wars ever among them. Individual ownership was embargoed for a long time on SW.

I don't know what to say except that you're wrong. Any casual search will show you that. It had releases on Betamax, VHS, and Laser Disc. By the time the 20th Anniversary came about, I had 4 different releases including a sweet Boxset that had VHS Letterbox versions.

I haven't checked Target, but I'd bet the blurays on sale are Special Editons, since it would be pretty big news if the original Theatrical versions were released on bluray.

Maybe I was in a backwater. Not like I searched on the web, because algore had not yet invented the Internet by the early 80's.

what diferences are there between SEs and Theatrical release, other than the retroactive digitalized garbage added in?

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 8:07 PM

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Well, thanks to Al Gore we do have the internet now, so I'll let you search for the answers you seek.

Bless you, Al Gore!!!

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Thursday, March 22, 2018 10:56 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Have you seen this, Moose?


Harmy's Star Wars: Despecialized Edition - History & Sources Documentary (extended version)





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Monday, March 26, 2018 4:38 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Wow... It's amazing how cheap the internet has made movies. I remember buying the original trilogy on VHS in the late 90's for 30 bucks, back when gas was around 90 cents a gallon.

Is it the actual original trilogy, or the "Special Edition"?



BTW... I haven't downloaded and watched it yet, but there is a fan project online that has re-created the original trilogy as it was released in the theaters. This version was never seen again after the original theatrical runs, as it was edited for every home release and later theatrical showings. I watched a video on youtube about the history of this project and the many tricks they've used to pull this off.

I'm looking forward to eventually seeing this because I wasn't even born when the first movie came out so I've never seen this version before.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

i don't know which versions, I meant the Episodes IV-VI.

I didn't have the details, it was out of stock at most locations. It's actually 6 discs, a BR and standard for each film. The store I bought at had several in stock, with the price shown as $50, but rang up as $15.

The BR ANH had Jabba in it.

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Monday, March 26, 2018 5:33 PM

MOOSE


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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Have you seen this, Moose?


Harmy's Star Wars: Despecialized Edition - History & Sources Documentary (extended version)





Do Right, Be Right. :)



Yep, he did an incredible job with it.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2018 10:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK

[/i]


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Yep, he did an incredible job with it.



It looks amazing. From what I can tell, he's still doing work to improve it.

I'm wondering if the version I had taped off of HBO when I was a kid was the original theatrical run, or if there had already been edits to it. I was only 2 years old when TESB came out.

Looking forward to seeing it.

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Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:10 PM

MOOSE


Yeah, it’s a work in progress for him. I saw one of his early ones and it was great.
I can just imagine what he’s come up with now, with much better TVs and all.

I think HBO version (80s) would have been slightly edited, the main thing was adding the Episode IV A New Hope title to the crawl.

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Wednesday, March 28, 2018 8:14 AM

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I'm surprised that Lucas or I guess Disney these days haven't shut him down yet. It's not as though he's doing this on the sly anywhere, and even if he was the video on youtube has links in the description where you can go to download these things. It makes me think that somehow they still don't even know that he's doing what he's doing.


There would always be places he could do this stuff and collaborate with others in the darkness, but it doesn't even look like any attempt has really been made here to hide it.

I don't think he'd have much to worry about if he was digitally upgrading Manos The Hands of Fate, but Star Wars?

Maybe there are higher ups at Disney who know about this and disagree with Lucas' take on it. They're probably letting this guy see his work to fruition so they can just take it from him without any monetary compensation and resell it to the public and make some good money off of a zero sum investment.

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Wednesday, March 28, 2018 4:20 PM

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I'm surprised that Lucas or I guess Disney these days haven't shut him down yet. It's not as though he's doing this on the sly anywhere, and even if he was the video on youtube has links in the description where you can go to download these things. It makes me think that somehow they still don't even know that he's doing what he's doing.


There would always be places he could do this stuff and collaborate with others in the darkness, but it doesn't even look like any attempt has really been made here to hide it.

I don't think he'd have much to worry about if he was digitally upgrading Manos The Hands of Fate, but Star Wars?

Maybe there are higher ups at Disney who know about this and disagree with Lucas' take on it. They're probably letting this guy see his work to fruition so they can just take it from him without any monetary compensation and resell it to the public and make some good money off of a zero sum investment.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

Waiting for the completed work before stealing it sounds like a plan.

Will they allow a similar action with Firefly?

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Wednesday, March 28, 2018 6:56 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

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Waiting for the completed work before stealing it sounds like a plan.



That's what I'd be doing right now if I was in a position of power at Disney.

You're never going to get the people who download it now for free to ever pay for it, and you can't put the shit back in the horse. It's already out there and it's not going away.

But at the same time there are a lot of people who would gladly pay good money to see this and own it in a physical medium.

It doesn't even have to be a horror story of the Big Bad Disney crushing somebody. This guy hasn't ever asked anybody for any money for the work he's done. He's gladly giving it away to anyone who will watch it.

I doubt that Disney would ever call it something like "Harmy's Despecialized Edition", but it wouldn't surprise me if he got his name somewhere in the credits in the case. Hell... Instead of taking legal action against him, Disney might offer a guy with his talent a decent gig to boot.

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Will they allow a similar action with Firefly?



What did you have in mind here? Some film students making their own fanfiction reboot? I don't see the parallels to this project and any possibility with new Firefly stuff.

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Thursday, April 12, 2018 2:04 AM

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A few days ago flickeringmyth.com posted an interview with Tony Gilroy about fixing Rogue One.

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Thursday, April 12, 2018 11:37 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
A few days ago flickeringmyth.com posted an interview with Tony Gilroy about fixing Rogue One.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-rogue-one-writer-tony-
gilroy-opens-up-reshoots-1100060


APRIL 05, 2018 9:49am PT by Aaron Couch

Tony Gilroy on 'Rogue One' Reshoots: They Were in "Terrible Trouble"

The screenwriter, who salvaged the 'Star Wars' project, says the situation was so dire, "all you could do was improve their position."

Tony Gilroy is getting candid for the first time about his emergency trip to the Star Wars galaxy. . . . Choosing his words carefully, Gilroy signaled how much of the project was changed after he boarded. (Star Ben Mendelsohn has said "an enormously different" version of the film exists.)

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Thursday, April 12, 2018 3:26 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
A few days ago flickeringmyth.com posted an interview with Tony Gilroy about fixing Rogue One.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-wars-rogue-one-writer-tony-
gilroy-opens-up-reshoots-1100060


APRIL 05, 2018 9:49am PT by Aaron Couch

Tony Gilroy on 'Rogue One' Reshoots: They Were in "Terrible Trouble"

The screenwriter, who salvaged the 'Star Wars' project, says the situation was so dire, "all you could do was improve their position."

Tony Gilroy is getting candid for the first time about his emergency trip to the Star Wars galaxy. . . . Choosing his words carefully, Gilroy signaled how much of the project was changed after he boarded. (Star Ben Mendelsohn has said "an enormously different" version of the film exists.)

Gilroy said he came in after the Director's Cut.

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Thursday, April 12, 2018 5:55 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly


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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Gilroy said he came in after the Director's Cut.

Director Gareth Edwards' final version of the movie stunk to the heavens. Gilroy was paid $5,000,000 for surgery -- to cut out all the rotten parts that were stinking up Rogue One. Gilroy shot new scenes that were spliced into the movie that went into theaters. He replaced the diseased scenes with healthy tissue.

www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/rogue-one-writer-tony-gilroy-mak
e-millions-reshoots-951119


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Friday, April 13, 2018 5:02 AM

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The whole franchise is going to have to be put on life support.

What nobody here is talking about is the merchandising.

Nobody bought the toys this time around.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/lukethompson/2017/12/21/why-arent-star-wa
rs-toys-selling-as-well-this-year/#53dabf2854e5


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-01-18/-star-wars-toy-sale
s-fall-in-2017-as-movie-tie-fatigue-sets-in


https://www.cosmicbooknews.com/star-wars-last-jedi-toy-sales-tank

http://www.jedinews.co.uk/collecting/articles/brick-fanatics-look-5-re
asons-star-wars-toys-not-selling
/

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Try posting that in the TLJ thread.
Anybody who wonders why TLJ toys are not selling has not seen the dreck of TLJ.

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Friday, April 13, 2018 7:12 AM

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There's no reason not to post it here.

The third paragraph of the very first link:

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First, there's Rogue One, last year's Star Wars movie, which launched a large range of products...and many of them are still hanging around. Retail buyers aren't necessarily toy collectors or fans who distinguish between individual movies, so if they see Star Wars toys from last year still hanging around on shelves, they won't necessarily be excited to order a lot more.


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Friday, April 13, 2018 9:49 AM

MOOSE


The merchandising is a big part of the franchise, but when you have 2 movies making over $2 billion together, I don’t think you have to worry about life support just yet. I do think the franchise is on a downward slope, though. I haven’t even finished TLJ yet.

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Friday, April 13, 2018 12:16 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK

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Quote:

Originally posted by Moose:
The merchandising is a big part of the franchise, but when you have 2 movies making over $2 billion together, I don’t think you have to worry about life support just yet. I do think the franchise is on a downward slope, though. I haven’t even finished TLJ yet.



Well... they didn't "make" 2 billion. Not after counting how much it cost to make and advertise the movies.

Quote:

[The Force Awakens] broke various box office records and became, unadjusted for inflation, the highest-grossing installment in the franchise, the highest-grossing film in North America, the highest-grossing film of 2015, and the third-highest-grossing film of all time, with a worldwide gross of over $2 billion and a net profit of over $780 million.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Force_Awakens

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Deadline.com calculated the net profit of [Rogue One] to be $319.6 million, when factoring together all expenses and revenues for the film, making it the 3rd most profitable release of 2016.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_One

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[The Last Jedi] is also the second-highest-grossing film of the Star Wars franchise, and turned a net profit of over $417 million.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Last_Jedi

The Three movies, including Rogue One, only "made" 1.5 Billion, and more than half of those profits were from The Force Awakens.



None of these figures account for all of the product advertisement and production costs for products that didn't end up selling well either. I haven't found numbers about these costs at this time. It's possible that the cost for advertising wasn't that much because the makers were depending on the movies to do most of the advertising for them.

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Even more toy-licensed films are scheduled, including the prequel “Solo: A Star Wars Story” and new Transformers, “Fantastic Beasts,” “Jurassic World” and superhero fare. The lesson toymakers will draw from the 2017 slate is that they can’t just rely on the movie to do the marketing anymore.

“There is a new paradigm,” Johnson (an analyst for BMO Capital Markets) said. “Just because there is a movie with a toy tie-in doesn’t necessarily mean it’s going to work. It used to mean it would work.”



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Following the poor box office performance, now it's learned that toy sales for Star Wars: The Last Jedi have tanked big time, which is a major problem as sales on toys can account for upwards of 3 times compared to the movie's gross.


One of the problems that Star Wars now faces is that what was once expected as the norm (making upwards of 3 times the movies gross on toys) is no longer to be expected at all. This is a problem.

If that number is to be believed, the toy sales so far could have possibly meant another $4+ billion dollars if they sold as well as was expected. This is not something that future investors in the franchise are going to disregard.


EDIT: I just re-read that data and the quote says "upwards of 3 times compared to the movie's gross." I was calculating for the Net profits. I'm not sure if the article really meant Gross though. I find it hard to believe that anyone expected the toys from the 3 movies so far were going to pull in somewhere between 14 and 18 Billion... who knows.


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