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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 9:19 PM

SIGNYM

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Not seeing anything offhand to carry over from the other thread. If I do, I will add it here >>>>

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Although, I DO have to say that those who are (were?) convinced of "Russian hacking" and "Russian collusion" seem to be posting a contradictory message: On the one hand, they keep pointing to "evidence", and on the other hand they excuse it's lack by saying Well, what do you think Meuller is going to do? Release evidence as soon as he finds it?". You guys - pick one or the other, you can't credibly have both.

I thought this was interesting

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Manafort Calls On DOJ To Release His Intercepted Phone Calls; Demands Investigation Of Leaks

Less than 24 hours after CNN triggered the latest outbreak of 'Trump Derangement Syndrome' by relaying information from anonymous sources that Trump's former campaign manager Paul Manfort has been under surveillance by the FBI since 2014, Manafort has fired back by calling on the Department of Justice to release all transcripts of his tapped phone calls so that the American public "can come to the same conclusion as the DOJ — there is nothing there." Per the Daily Caller:

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Former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort is calling on the Justice Department to release transcripts of any intercepted communications he may have had with foreigners.

Manafort, a longtime Republican political consultant, also called on the Justice Department’s inspector general to investigate the leak of details of secret surveillance warrants obtained by U.S. investigators.

“Mr. Manafort requests that the Department of Justice release any intercepts involving him and any non-Americans so interested parties can come to the same conclusion as the DOJ — there is nothing there,” Manafort spokesman Jason Maloni said in a statement.

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Manafort's spokesman goes on to demand that the DOJ launch an immediate investigation into who continues to commit federal felonies with reckless abandon by leaking details of confidential FISA warrants to the media.

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Whether or not Manafort committed a crime — and he has not been charged with anything — the leak of information about FISA warrants is a federal crime, Maloni noted in his statement.

“If true, it is a felony to reveal the existence of a FISA warrant, regardless of the fact that no charges ever emerged,” Maloni said.

Information about FISA warrants is classified and tightly held by government officials and the federal judges that approve them. Unauthorized disclosures of FISA information is also a felony.

At a House Intelligence Committee hearing in March, then-FBI Director James Comey testified that the leak of FISA information is punishable by up to 10 years in prison.

In his statement, Maloni called on the Justice Department’s watchdog to “immediately” open an investigation into the leak and to “examine the motivations behind the previous Administration’s effort to surveil a political opponent.”

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Of course, this was all triggered by CNN's 'bombshell' story last night which revealed that Manafort has been under an ongoing wiretap, approved by the FISA courts, going back to 2014 and tied to his consulting arrangements with Ukraine's former ruling party.

That said, the interesting part of CNN's story came via the revelation that "surveillance [of Manafort] was discontinued at some point last year for lack of evidence" but was then restarted with a "new FISA warrant that extended at least into early this year"...all of which sounds an awful lot like the Obama administration using FISA courts to spy on a political opponent.

Here are the details as presented by CNN:

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US investigators wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort under secret court orders before and after the election, sources tell CNN, an extraordinary step involving a high-ranking campaign official now at the center of the Russia meddling probe.

The government snooping continued into early this year, including a period when Manafort was known to talk to President Donald Trump.

Some of the intelligence collected includes communications that sparked concerns among investigators that Manafort had encouraged the Russians to help with the campaign, according to three sources familiar with the investigation. Two of these sources, however, cautioned that the evidence is not conclusive.

Special counsel Robert Mueller's team, which is leading the investigation into Russia's involvement in the election, has been provided details of these communications.

A secret order authorized by the court that handles the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) began after Manafort became the subject of an FBI investigation that began in 2014. It centered on work done by a group of Washington consulting firms for Ukraine's former ruling party, the sources told CNN.

The surveillance was discontinued at some point last year for lack of evidence, according to one of the sources.

The FBI then restarted the surveillance after obtaining a new FISA warrant that extended at least into early this year.

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All of which has led many people to question throughout the day whether the Obama administration, as Trump suggested back in March, did intentionally spy on his campaign using FISA warrants.

Certainly these two tweets from CNN's Jake Tapper would seem to be somewhat contradictory:

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Tapper's initial reaction from March 2017 to Trump's claim that the Obama administration wiretapped his campaign:

POTUS makes wild accusation w/zero evidence

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Because nobody in Trump's campaign was ever wiretapped ....

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Quote:

WH searches for evidence & cant find any WH tells Congress to find evidence/no further comment — Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) March 5, 2017
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Tapper's follow-up tweet from last night:

US government wiretapped former Trump campaign chairman - CNNPolitics https://t.co/BY8MACKfV9 — Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) September 18, 2017


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-19/manafort-calls-doj-release-hi
s-intercepted-phone-calls-demands-investigation-leaks


As you know, I have another thread of "evidence" against naughty Debbie W, and some of the other goings-on in DC. I'll bet if we knew everything about everything there, we'd throw everybody out.

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Tuesday, September 19, 2017 10:53 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Can you include a linky to your prior version of this topic, and maybe one for your DWS thread, too?

The conclusion of your last thread of this was: No Evidence, right?

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 5:56 AM

SIGNYM

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Okie dokie!

I haven't read thru the last page of contributions to the past thread, so when I get a chance I'll update this thread with whatever I find.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61769

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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 11:00 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


Meanwhile ... James Comey (FBI) and James Clapper (a notorious liar who previously said that the NSA wasn't collecting bulk data on Americans) both appear to have lied about NOT wiretapping Trump Tower, and both appear to have been investigating Trump's Presidential campaign based on false evidence.

This is what the WSJ had to say about it:

Quote:

All Mr. Comey’s Wiretaps
WSJ Demands To Know How FBI 'Meddled' In 2016 Elections

When Donald Trump claimed in March that he’d had his “wires tapped” prior to the election, the press and Obama officials dismissed the accusation as a fantasy. We were among the skeptics, but with former director James Comey’s politicized FBI the story is getting more complicated.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/all-mr-comeys-wiretaps-1505862793

Since the WSJ is behind a paywall, I'll have to continue form Zerohedge

Quote:

When Donald Trump claimed in March that he’d had his “wires tapped” prior to the election, the press and Obama officials dismissed the accusation as a fantasy. We were among the skeptics, but with former director James Comey’s politicized FBI the story is getting more complicated.

CNN reported Monday that the FBI obtained a warrant last year to eavesdrop on Paul Manafort, Mr. Trump’s campaign manager from May to August in 2016. The story claims the FBI first wiretapped Mr. Manafort in 2014 while investigating his work as a lobbyist for Ukraine’s ruling party. That warrant lapsed, but the FBI convinced the court that administers the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) to issue a second order as part of its probe into Russian meddling in the election.

Guess who has lived in a condo in Trump Tower since 2006? Paul Manafort.

The story suggests the monitoring started in the summer or fall, and extended into early this year.

While Mr. Manafort resigned from the campaign in August, he continued to speak with Candidate Trump.

It is thus highly likely that the FBI was listening to the political and election-related conversations of a leading contender for the White House.

That’s extraordinary - and worrisome.

Mr. Comey told Congress in late March that he “had no information that supports those [Trump] tweets.”



Former Director of National Intelligence James Clapper was even more specific that “there was no such wiretap activity mounted against—the President-elect at the time, or as a candidate, or against his campaign.”



He denied that any such FISA order existed.

Were they lying?

The warrant’s timing may also shed light on the FBI’s relationship to the infamous “ Steele dossier.” That widely discredited dossier claiming ties between Russians and the Trump campaign was commissioned by left-leaning research firm Fusion GPS and developed by former British spy Christopher Steele—who relied on Russian sources. But the Washington Post and others have reported that Mr. Steele was familiar to the FBI, had reached out to the agency about his work, and had even arranged a deal in 2016 to get paid by the FBI to continue his research.

The FISA court sets a high bar for warrants on U.S. citizens, and presumably even higher for wiretapping a presidential campaign. Did Mr. Comey’s FBI marshal the Steele dossier to persuade the court?

All of this is reason for House and Senate investigators to keep exploring how Mr. Comey’s FBI was investigating both presidential campaigns.

Russian meddling is a threat to democracy but so was the FBI if it relied on Russian disinformation to eavesdrop on a presidential campaign. The Justice Department and FBI have stonewalled Congressional requests for documents and interviews, citing the “integrity” of Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation.

But Mr. Mueller is not investigating the FBI, and in any event his ties to the bureau and Mr. Comey make him too conflicted for such a job. Congress is charged with providing oversight of law enforcement and the FISA courts, and it has an obligation to investigate their role in 2016. The intelligence committees have subpoena authority and the ability to hold those who don’t cooperate in contempt.

Mr. Comey investigated both leading presidential campaigns in an election year, playing the role of supposedly impartial legal authority. But his maneuvering to get Mr. Mueller appointed, and his leaks to the press, have shown that Mr. Comey is as political and self-serving as anyone in Washington.

No investigation into Russia’s role in the 2016 campaign will be credible or complete without the facts about all Mr. Comey’s wiretaps.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-20/extraordinary-worrisome-wall-
street-journal-demands-know-how-fbi-meddled-2016-electi



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Wednesday, September 20, 2017 4:26 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Well, if you are the criminals put in charge of investigations, shouldn't you target other people for committing the specific crimes you perpetrated? The best way to divert attention from your criminal activities, and the best reason to have career criminals in charge of investigations.
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Okie dokie!

I haven't read thru the last page of contributions to the past thread, so when I get a chance I'll update this thread with whatever I find.

http://www.fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?tid=61769

I feel so ignored.

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Wednesday, September 27, 2017 9:45 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


In Stunning Reversal, DHS Says Russians Were Not Behind Attempted Wisconsin Vote Hacking
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-26/coverup-dhs-tells-wisconsin-r
ussians-werent-behind-voting-system-cybertargeting


"Evidens" is disappearing like frost at sunrise


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Thursday, September 28, 2017 8:28 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


MORE evaporating evidence, this time from CA

Quote:

Information Provided by DHS Regarding Russian Scanning was Incorrect

SACRAMENTO – California Secretary of State Alex Padilla issued the following statement.

“Last Friday, my office was notified by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security (DHS) that Russian cyber actors 'scanned' California’s Internet-facing systems in 2016, including Secretary of State websites. Following our request for further information, it became clear that DHS’ conclusions were wrong.”

“DHS confirmed that Russian scanning activity had actually occurred on the California Department of Technology statewide network, not any Secretary of State website. Based on this additional information, California voters can further rest assured that the California Secretary of State elections infrastructure and websites were not hacked or breached by Russian cyber actors.”

“Our notification from DHS last Friday was not only a year late, it also turned out to be bad information. To make matters worse, the Associated Press similarly reported that DHS has reversed itself and 'now says Russia didn’t target Wisconsin’s voter registration system,' which is contrary to previous briefings.”

“The work of our intelligence agencies is critical in defending against cyber threats. I remain committed to a partnership with DHS and other intelligence agencies, however, elections officials and the American public expect and deserve timely and accurate information.”



http://www.sos.ca.gov/administration/news-releases-and-advisories/2017
-news-releases-and-advisories/dhs-incorrectly-notified-california-secretary-state-about-russian-scanning
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Thursday, September 28, 2017 10:34 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In Stunning Reversal, DHS Says Russians Were Not Behind Attempted Wisconsin Vote Hacking
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-09-26/coverup-dhs-tells-wisconsin-r
ussians-werent-behind-voting-system-cybertargeting


"Evidens" is disappearing like frost at sunrise

But they did wait plenty of time for the MSM to distribute the Fake News.
The TELEvisionPROMPtingTERminal Readers on our news entertainment shows peddled it like Libtard drones.

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Thursday, October 12, 2017 8:05 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


I don't know if this belongs under "Evidens" (as in - EVAPORATING evidens) or under Russia's so-called cyberwar against the USA.

Quote:

Germany Says It Found "No Evidence" Kaspersky Helped Russia Spy On US

US intelligence agencies are claiming that the Russian government leveraged the popularity of Kaspersky Labs’ cybersecurity software to create what is tantamount to a global spy network with the company’s explicit cooperation. However, Germany’s intelligence agencies say they’ve found “no evidence” to suggest these reports are true.

The Wall Street Journal, which last week reported that the US had identified at least one case of Kaspersky’s software improperly copying classified information, is back with another “exclusive” spoon fed to it by anonymous “senior US officials” alleging that Kaspersky allowed Russian government malware to piggy back on its software. The malware scanned for and copied files labeled “top secret,” not just in the US, but globally. Though WSJ neglects to list other countries that are suspected victims of Russian hacking.

Meanwhile, Germany's BSI federal cyber agency said on Wednesday it had found no evidence to suggest that Russian hackers had used Kaspersky’s software to spy on US authorities.

"There are no plans to warn against the use of Kaspersky products since the BSI has no evidence for misconduct by the company or weaknesses in its software," BSI said in an emailed response to questions about the latest media reports. "The BSI has no indications at this time that the process occurred as described in the media," according to Reuters. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-security-kaspersky-germany/germ
any-no-evidence-kaspersky-software-used-by-russians-for-hacks-idUSKBN1CG284


Germany's BSI, which also uses Kaspersky products for technical analyses, said it was in touch with U.S. officials and other security agencies about the issue so it could take action and issue a warning on short notice if required.

The Russian government used a popular antivirus software to secretly scan computers around the world for classified U.S. government documents and top-secret information, modifying the program to turn it into an espionage tool, according to current and former U.S. officials with knowledge of the matter.

The software, made by the Moscow-based company Kaspersky Lab, routinely scans files of computers on which it is installed looking for viruses and other malicious software. But in an adjustment to its normal operations that the officials say could only have been made with the company’s knowledge, the program searched for terms as broad as “top secret,” which may be written on classified government documents, as well as the classified code names of U.S. government programs, these people said.


After becoming suspicious that the Kaspersky software might be concealing malicious spyware, US intelligence agencies began scrutinizing the software, searching for signs that it was unknowingly copying and transmitting sensitive information.

For many months, U.S. intelligence agencies studied the software and even set up controlled experiments to see if they could trigger Kaspersky’s software into believing it had found classified materials on a computer being monitored by U.S. spies, these people said. Those experiments persuaded officials that Kaspersky was being used to detect classified information.

Later, WSJ notes that, in fact, it was Israeli intelligence that first alerted the US to Kaspersky’s skullduggery, effectively creating a separate, parallel narrative to explain how the deception was exposed.

So, which is it? Did the Israelis tell us? Or did the US discover the breach independently in 2015?

In an ironic twist, Kaspersky exposed Israel for lying about the source of its information on Iran deal talks after WSJ reported two years ago that Israel had spied on negotiations. Israel had said it received its intelligence by other means, but it had in reality infiltrated Kaspersky’s software, a fact the company publicly acknowledged in a research paper published two years ago.

In a twist, Kaspersky appears to have known, or at least suspected, that it had been hacked by Israel. In June 2015, the company published a detailed technical analysis about malicious computer code used to break into its systems, which it dubbed Duqu 2.0. Experts believe that the original Duqu malware, on which the one inside Kaspersky’s system appears to have been based, was used to spy on officials participating in international negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program, a fact that Kaspersky acknowledged in its paper.

The Journal reported in 2015 that Israel had spied on closed-door talks among the U.S. and other world powers about curtailing Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Israeli officials denied spying directly on U.S. negotiators and said they received their information through other means, including close surveillance of Iranian leaders receiving the latest U.S. and European offers.


Which begs the question: Is it possible that Israel was the source of the Kaspersky hack? The country has been exposed for spying on the US before – and not just during the Iran negotiations. And it has also been exposed for infiltrating Kaspersky’s systems.

Keep in mind, suspicions about the infiltration first emerged two years ago at a time of heightened tension between the Obama administration and Israel. In an unprecedented move, the Department of Homeland Security ordered all federal agencies using Kaspersky’s software to uninstall it, effectively ending Kaspersky’s relationship with one of its largest clients.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-11/germany-says-it-found-no-evid
ence-kaspersky-helped-russia-spy-us




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Thursday, October 12, 2017 5:57 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN


Thanks for keeping us abreast of no evidence.
I wonder if we should log or list the endless excuses and dodges they are using in lieu of evidence.

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Monday, October 16, 2017 2:25 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them. Pity would be no more, If we did not MAKE men poor - William Blake


More disappearing evidence ...

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Firm Behind "Trump Dossier" Refuses To Comply With Congressional Subpoena
The three co-founders of Fusion GPS, the opposition research firm responsible for overseeing the creation of the infamous “Trump dossier”, will refuse to comply with a subpoena ordered by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes, according to a letter from their attorneys originally obtained by Business Insider.

MORE AT http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-16/fusion-gps-founders-refuse-co
mply-congressional-subpoena


JSF- creating a log of all of the crap that was splattered by "anonymous sources", and then tracking it to its ultimate resolution ... either withdrawn, rejected/ disproved, or verified .... would be an extremely useful exercise in ACTUAL journalism (as opposed to the bloviating and hyperventilation that usually fills the media). Unfortunately, it would take far more time than I have available. Even this thread is only on a catch-as-catch-can basis; I'm sure I missed a lot. In order to do a credible job, I'd have to research every item and make sure I wasn't missing anything. It's a great idea, tho.



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Monday, October 16, 2017 3:57 PM

1KIKI

Goodbye, kind world (George Monbiot) - In common with all those generations which have contemplated catastrophe, we appear to be incapable of understanding what confronts us.


Of course, this disappearing evidence isn't covered by the MSM.

Meanwhile, new anti-Trump 'above the fold' articles are being published.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/inside-the-adult-day-care-cent
er-how-aides-try-to-control-and-coerce-trump/2017/10/15/810b4296-b03d-11e7-99c6-46bdf7f6f8ba_story.html


"Inside the ‘adult day care center’: How aides try to control and coerce Trump
Some White House aides spend a significant part of their time devising ways to rein in the impetuous president, angling to avoid outbursts that might work against him, according to interviews with 18 aides, confidants and outside advisers. By Ashley Parker and Greg Jaffe"




Trump is not the problem. He set himself against the Deep State's agenda. And the Deep State's been heading for WWIII for years.
As for you, you're just a Deep State useful idiot, furthering its agenda. So I hope you enjoy cesium in your coffee. You've earned it.

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