If Joss was running 'Heroes by DevonNite

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If Joss was running 'Heroes

POSTED BY: DEVONNITE
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Monday, November 20, 2006 6:54 AM

We all know that Joss Whedon has no problem writing people out of a show. Heroes has shown 9 episodes and so far all of the main characters are still standing, but a strange thought occured to me.

If Joss were running "Heroes" which of the main characters would he have bumped off already or atleast very soon?

I have to say, as long as it isn't Hiro, Micah, or Nikki, I wouldn't care, infact I think Joss would be smart enough to kill off that Peter kid, what a waste, but most likely Hiros friend Anso would be the one.

What do you all think??

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Monday, November 20, 2006 7:08 AM

SHROUDED

Aww, I like Peter. :(

If I'd have to guess, though, I'd probably say Matt, or maybe Nathan.

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Monday, November 20, 2006 7:14 AM

DEEPGIRL187

I personally think it would be Claire.

We have this whole "Save The Cheerleader, Save The World" business. And to continue the series, most people would assume (remember, assume makes an ass out of you and me

) that she does in fact get saved. But we all know how Joss loves his apocalypses (is that a word?). So I think Joss would go ahead and off her, cueing the fire and brimstone (or big explosion, as it were).

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Monday, November 20, 2006 7:16 AM

SHROUDED

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I personally think it would be Claire.

We have this whole "Save The Cheerleader, Save The World" business. And to continue the series, most people would assume that she does in fact get saved. But we all know how Joss loves his apocalypses (is that a word?). So I think Joss would go ahead and off her, cueing the fire and brimstone (or big explosion, as it were).

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And then there's Joss cackling like a madman in an interview asking "why?", right?

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Monday, November 20, 2006 7:20 AM

FORGE

I agree. I think Hiro's friend could bet bumped off withougt it effecting the story. As for Peter, personally I think he is the key to the whole thing (other than the cheerleader of course)I think there is something more then just Peter's ability to mimic everyone's powers, but that could just be me being hopefull.

This is just another sign of your tragic space dementia, all paranoid and crotchety...breaks the heart.

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Monday, November 20, 2006 9:56 AM

NOSADSEVEN

Actually, they already killed off Isaac, albeit several weeks into the potentially changeable future.

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Monday, November 20, 2006 10:03 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Signs that Joss Whedon has written the TV show you're watching

1) You're in love with one of the characters, hate another with the passion of a thousand firey suns, and have been reduced to a blubbering mess of tears during a scene... and you're halfway through the pilot episode

2) Someone in the main credits has been killed off... and you're halfway through the pilot episode

3) The main character has lost everything that gave his/her life meaning... and you're halfway through the pilot episode

4) For some unfathomable reason, you find yourself loving the bad guys

5) Sexual contact of any kind seems to lead to immediate disaster

I can think of a few others, but I just know there are wittier posters out there who'll want to join in!

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Monday, November 20, 2006 11:02 AM

REDLAVA

Your halfway throught he pilot episode when Fox decides to cancel you because they don't "understand" the show.

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Monday, November 20, 2006 11:08 AM

DERANGEDMILK

Were Joss running this one....
Peter and Hiro would both be women.
The tagline would be "The cheerleader must save X (so long as X = a man) and the save the world."
The cop would have lost his faith in God.
Micah would be dead.
And last but not least....Every character would be a hell of a lot more witty!!!
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Monday, November 20, 2006 11:19 AM

CYBERSNARK

And Ted would, at some point, use his radiation powers to hand-pop microwave popcorn.

I agree with Peter being the key: he's gonna be the one that brings the Heroes together. However, once the group does form, I could see either him or Nathan getting killed. Not both though.

Remember, Joss doesn't just whack his characters for no good reason --he's all about the drama tag. Imagine the fallout of either Pete or Nate losing their brother, and knowing that he could've saved him.

It could push Pete to become evil (going after Hiro to steal his powers and go back to save Nate), or to Nate giving up on politics and becoming a full-time superhero. . .

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Monday, November 20, 2006 12:05 PM

DARKJESTER

I have a question. What happens to Pete if he spends time around Nikki? Would he suddenly discover he had an evil mirror-twin?

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Monday, November 20, 2006 12:07 PM

DESKTOPHIPPIE

I've wondered about that too!

And forgive me if this has already been explained as I'm only up to episode six so far but... does anyone else think Sylar may be someone else's evil twin/mirror baddie type person?

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Tuesday, November 21, 2006 6:29 AM

CYBERSNARK

Don't think so.

We saw Sylar pretty clearly last ep, and I didn't recognize him.

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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:10 PM

DEVONNITE

LikeI said, they tried to kill off that little creepy kid Peter, but he is like a cockroach and keeps coming back.

Damn his sorry hide. He is to much like "Rouge" from the X-Men.

Joss would have let his butt die and be rid of him

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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:31 PM

DEEPGIRL187

Why does everybody hate Peter? I like Peter...

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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:37 PM

ECGORDON

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Why does everybody hate Peter?

I think it's the hair.

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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 1:50 PM

BLACKSHAMROCK5

I agree its probably the hair. Whenever I see him I can't help but think of the Jesse the character he played on Gilmore Girls and I couldn't stand him then so that doesn't really help him out now.

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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 2:32 PM

REGINAROADIE

I think if Joss was running the show, Calire's dad would be a lot more insidious and be the real villain instead of being the deep shade of grey character that he is. And Mohinder's father would be an outright dick and maybe have abandoned Mohinder as a child instead of him trying to protect his son from going down the same road he did. Any father figures would be straight up villains, since in Joss shows, biological fathers are more villainous than all the demons of hell combined.

Claire probably would be more center stage than anyone else (I know it sounds weird to read this, but this is an ensemble show. If Joss were in charge, it would be CLAIRE THE INDESTRUCTABLE CHEERLEADER), and Peter would be some brooding guy in a trenchcoat. And Hiro probably wouldn't be in the show to begin with (or at least be killed halfway through the show), and the waitress at the Burnt Toast diner would be a bigger character and be the Kaylee of the show.

That, and all the gals would be fluently trained in martial arts. Claire may have rapid healing powers, but no strength. And Nikki/Jessica has strength, but Jessica's is more of a brute force than a marital arts type of fighting.

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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 3:17 PM

DEVONNITE

Hiro is my favorite character and he will be the one to save them all.

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Wednesday, November 22, 2006 9:32 PM

DEEPGIRL187

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Originally posted by reginaroadie:
Claire probably would be more center stage than anyone else (I know it sounds weird to read this, but this is an ensemble show. If Joss were in charge, it would be CLAIRE THE INDESTRUCTABLE CHEERLEADER)

Not necessarily. Even though a lot of the focus was on Mal, Firefly was still more of an ensemble show. Despite the fact that Joss likes strong female lead characters, I think that he is capable of writing a balanced ensemble.

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Friday, November 24, 2006 3:55 PM

NAFLM

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Originally posted by DarkJester:
I have a question. What happens to Pete if he spends time around Nikki? Would he suddenly discover he had an evil mirror-twin?

I guess that really depends on what her power is. Is her power multiple personalities with different powers, or is she super-strong and also happens to be schizophrenic? (I'm glad they made her strong 'cause for the longest time I just kept wondering "when did mental illness become a super-power?")

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 5:15 AM

DEEPGIRL187

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I guess that really depends on what her power is. Is her power multiple personalities with different powers, or is she super-strong and also happens to be schizophrenic? (I'm glad they made her strong 'cause for the longest time I just kept wondering "when did mental illness become a super-power?")

Hey, insanity is a super power. Just look at Batman.

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:49 AM

CYBERSNARK

Sometimes the best offense is a good psychosis.

As for Nikki's effect on Pete, I'd speculate that Pete would start to serve as the vessel for whichever persona is being repressed.

If Jessica takes over Nikki's body, Nikki can influence Pete. If Nikki regains control, Jessica gets to haunt Pete.

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:51 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Quote:
Originally posted by DevonNite:
We all know that Joss Whedon has no problem writing people out of a show. Heroes has shown 9 episodes and so far all of the main characters are still standing, but a strange thought occured to me.

If Joss were running "Heroes" which of the main characters would he have bumped off already or atleast very soon?

I have to say, as long as it isn't Hiro, Micah, or Nikki, I wouldn't care, infact I think Joss would be smart enough to kill off that Peter kid, what a waste, but most likely Hiros friend Anso would be the one.

What do you all think??

I liked the peter kid. I thought he was kind of a whinny bastard initially, but then I warmed up to him.

The story would definitely center more on Claire, who along with spontaneous regeneration would also inherent some ancient legacy which would endow her with Jedi skills and a passion for reckless relationships. At some point Claire would be killed, but then brought back to life only to be killed the next season, and brought back to life. There might be a new hero whose special power is being a quirky Jewish Lesbian witch.

Also Peter would become the leader of a band of rogue Heroes, who would rob a train of its cargo only to return it later after discovering that a mining town needed it to treat symptoms of some weird mining town disease, thereby proving that he is a crook with a heart. And he would have a gun. And wear suspenders.

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 6:52 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Not necessarily. Even though a lot of the focus was on Mal, Firefly was still more of an ensemble show. Despite the fact that Joss likes strong female lead characters, I think that he is capable of writing a balanced ensemble.

For a while, but given time Joss will always lapse into the tinny chick beating on the big bad dudes. If Firefly had gone into a second season, it would have become River, the Reaver Slayer.

It was a pretext just waiting to become text.

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 9:47 AM

DEEPGIRL187

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Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
Quote:
Originally posted by deepgirl187:
Not necessarily. Even though a lot of the focus was on Mal, Firefly was still more of an ensemble show. Despite the fact that Joss likes strong female lead characters, I think that he is capable of writing a balanced ensemble.
For a while, but given time Joss will always lapse into the tinny chick beating on the big bad dudes. If Firefly had gone into a second season, it would have become River, the Reaver Slayer.

It was a pretext just waiting to become text.

I still don't agree. I mean, you can't exactly call Angel a female dominated show. And even if Firefly didn't stay an ensemble in the second season, the show revolved too much around Mal for it to become "River's show". Joss can write a series without it being all about strong female characters. Joss is too talented a writer to rely on one kind of plot hook.

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 10:29 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

Yeah okay, you’re right about Angel. I assume. I’ve never actually watched it, but it certainly wouldn’t seem to support my point.

And I’m sure Joss could write a show about anything, but he seems to have a penchant for the strong female type.

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 10:51 AM

YINYANG

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And I’m sure Joss could write a show about anything, but he seems to have a penchant for the strong female type.

That's probably because there aren't a lot out in the TV world. If this was a feminist universe, perhaps Joss would be writing a lot of strong male characters.

::shrugs, then backs out of the thread, as she doesn't watch Heroes::

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 10:54 AM

SIMONWHO

I'm quite surprised at some of the responses in this thread, as though every show Joss writes is a photocopy of his previous work.

My personal pet theory is that the cop with psychic abilities will try to find out if Peter is Sylar but as Peter picks up his powers, he becomes psychic and therefore hears the cop listening to him listening to the cop listening to Peter listening to the cop... cue huge audio wail.

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 11:24 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE

We're not saying everything he writes is a copy of his previous work. We're just saying that there are certain trends you start to notice if you watch his work year in year out. Most of which revolve around character death and the emotional trauma he enjoys inflicting on his audience.

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Saturday, November 25, 2006 2:07 PM

SINGATE

I can't stand Nikki, really hope she is the one to get axed if they decide to kill a main character. I would like it to be as gruesome as possible. Blacking out then going on a killing spree is a great insanity defense but does not make a very compelling character.

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Sunday, November 26, 2006 3:28 PM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

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I'm quite surprised at some of the responses in this thread, as though every show Joss writes is a photocopy of his previous work.

There are certain Jossisms. All great artists have predictable elements in their work. It’s called style, man.

Besides, I actually thought my comment about Peter and the suspenders was pretty funny.

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Sunday, November 26, 2006 3:41 PM

YINYANG

You were busy trying to get yourself lit on fire. It happens.

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Besides, I actually thought my comment about Peter and the suspenders was pretty funny.

Don't worry, Finn - I liked it.

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Monday, November 27, 2006 12:58 AM

ASARIAN

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Originally posted by DevonNite:

We all know that Joss Whedon has no problem writing people out of a show. Heroes has shown 9 episodes and so far all of the main characters are still standing, but a strange thought occured to me.

If Joss were running "Heroes" which of the main characters would he have bumped off already or at least very soon?
What do you all think??

Well, for one, if Joss were running the show, I think he'd sneak a "Keep flying." in there somewhere. :)

Okay, who would he off? Probably the cheerleader... and her dog. I, for one, would have left her in the morgue.

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 1:07 AM

RHYIANAN

wow, there's a lot of hate for peter and claire in here.

If Joss were running heroes.....everything would be a bit more witty, there would be a lot more red herrings in the plot (Am I the only one that thinks it's fairly predictable?), and the villians would be hated just a little more.

Oh, and we would have lost a main character, which I personally think should be the politician.

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 4:24 AM

FINN MAC CUMHAL

As fate would have it, they are going to off someone on the show. We have confirmation. I personally doubt that it will be Claire or Peter, but who knows, it’s a mystery.

But maybe the Heroes writers are picking up some of Joss’s trademark callous disregard for main character life.

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 7:04 AM

LIGHTMEDARK

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Originally posted by Rhyianan:
(Am I the only one that thinks it's fairly predictable?)

nope, i've been predicting the main points of each episode early on lately...but i'm still enjoying it :)

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Tuesday, November 28, 2006 8:07 AM

RHYIANAN

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Originally posted by LightMeDark:
Quote:
Originally posted by Rhyianan:
(Am I the only one that thinks it's fairly predictable?)

nope, i've been predicting the main points of each episode early on lately...but i'm still enjoying it :)

Me too, it's the only thing since firefly that has captured my interest

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