Let go of your hate... by chrisisall

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Let go of your hate...

POSTED BY: CHRISISALL
UPDATED: Tuesday, September 26, 2006 02:15
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Monday, September 18, 2006 6:47 AM

I was talking to a friend this weekend, and he pointed to the lessons of Yoda....
SO the 'first' trillogy wasn't exactly what a lot of peeps wanted- just watch them (or not) for what worked for you! It's all Star Wars, and Lucas did what he did with them, yelling about it won't get you anywhere.

Anyway, this is what I learned. And the first trillogy makes you all ready for an even better one IMO!

Jedi Chrisisall

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Monday, September 18, 2006 6:55 AM

KELKHIL

I will admit that I liked episodes 4-6 better I did enjoy the first 3 well enough. It took me until episode 3 to really appreciate episode 1.( Minus Jar Jar of course). You had to see the Anikan that wanted to help everyone and was so nice it made your teeth hurt. it made the transformation to Vader that much greater.

While there were places in all the movies that I would have added more I think episode 2 had the best opportunity to be great.

Example: The sandpeople. In the scene when Anikan attempted to rescue his mother and she died. I think that that scene should not have ended where it did. That is where Lucas should have shown the first taste of what Vader was. Not gore. But lightsaber fights are never that gory anyway. just show him in his full rage and how powerful he was with it. I think that alone could have saved that episode.

Kelkhil

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Monday, September 18, 2006 7:04 AM

DESKTOPHIPPIE

'Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to anger.' No wait, hold on. 'Fear leads to hate. Hate leads to the dark side.' Hold on, no, umm, 'First you get the women, then you get the money, then you...' okay, can we forget that?

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Monday, September 18, 2006 7:18 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

My only complaint about the first two prequels is that the actors he chose to play Annakin weren't up to the task. Jake Lloyd was pitiful, and Hayden too petulant. I've read reports that he actually can act, but I've not seen anything else he's done yet. As for Ep. III, the fact that we see his transformation to Vader, and see that Padme's twins are named Luke and Leia, it totally negates any suspense those revelations impart to Eps V and VI. Revenge of the Sith should have ended with us thinking Annakin had died at the lava pits, and there should have been no mention of the birth of the twins. Future generations could then experience the story from the first and get the full dramatic impact.

Oh, and I consider the Kenobi/Jango fight in Ep II to be one of the most dazzling things I've ever seen on the big screen.

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Monday, September 18, 2006 7:26 AM

PHOENIXSHIP

The real failing here was terrible acting combined in an unholy alliance with embarrassing dialogue and incredibly unbelievable romance between the whining jedi crybaby and the lovely, lovely Padme. Did she have a British accent every few syllables?

And I hate to say it, but Samuel L. Jackson - love ya, but I never, ever for one second believed you had midichlorians anywhere near your bloodstream. I have always thought it was a brilliant and risky move for Lucas to cast unknowns in his original movies. What's next - Madonna and 50cent in Episode 7? How about Anna Nichole Smith and eminem? Bret Favrrerrerr and Shakira?

"Why're you arguin' what's already been decided?"
Mal to Jayne, "Jaynestown"

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Monday, September 18, 2006 7:32 AM

FELLOWTRAVELER

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Originally posted by ecgordon:
...Jake Lloyd was pitiful, and Hayden too petulant. I've read reports that he actually can act, but I've not seen anything else he's done yet.

If you get the chance, check out "Shattered Glass". It shows Christensen can act, if cast in the right role (a kvetchy, needy, brat). They run it on Sundance or the Indy channel fairly often.

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Monday, September 18, 2006 1:42 PM

CYBERSNARK

There's also Higher Ground, which has our very own Jewel Stait.

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Monday, September 18, 2006 1:42 PM

CHRISTHECYNIC

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
My only complaint about the first two prequels is that the actors he chose to play Annakin weren't up to the task. Jake Lloyd was pitiful, and Hayden too petulant. I've read reports that he actually can act, but I've not seen anything else he's done yet.

They can all act, everyone who was in the prequels was a great actor. I don't know why but it's as if the prequels just sucked the talent out of people.

If you look at what they did before it's great, if you look at what they did afterwards it's great, and if you watch them in the prequels ... the only words that can describe the quality of acting are profanities.

Not just who they got to play Anakin, everyone was below their normal standards, most were very far below.

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Monday, September 18, 2006 1:59 PM

KAYNA

I love my captain

I blame the director for the sup-par performances. You all know who I mean. Usually, if a movie has more than one wonderful actor doing...not so good it's because the director (or someone similar) said "No no! Don't do it like that! Do it like this." And by the third movie I think some of them were just getting through the contract.

Anyway, I didn't really hate them. I enjoyed parts of all of them. And they weren't really bad enough for me to hate. Just bad enough to make me go "Meh". Not enough emotional resonance to hate.

Don't get me wrong. I can rant about them but most of my rants are, at thier core, focused toward Lucas. Him I have issues with. I think those issues could turn me to the dark side if he continues down this path.

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Tuesday, September 19, 2006 6:47 AM

INDIGOSTARBLASTER

The dialogue in Eps 1 through 3 was just terrible (I can't imagine how Lucas actually got worse at writing dialogue with time... ) but I thought the... well, the "background" or the context, or whatever you call it, was pretty intriguing.

I'm going from fast-fading memory here, but I remember how striking I found the pre-Empire Republic -- it was really snazzy, with lots of neon lights and advertising and a commercial consumer economy. It was pretty much North America at its crass glitziest. I could see how the "purity" of the Empire could have seemed kind of attractive -- no adverts to be seen in Eps 4 through 6 -- and how quaint the Rebel Alliance was, in a way. There had been a generation during which memory of the bad parts of the old Republic would have faded, so that they really didn't remember what it was they were fighting for, only what they were fighting against.

I was also struck by how either Ep 1 or 2 (can't remember now) basically started with a trade dispute -- not easy questions of good and evil, but the nitty gritty of keeping a really, really big civilization fed and watered and entertained at reasonable cost and for a reasonable profit. I quite liked all the grey in Eps 1 through 3 -- I was never really sure who was on the "right" side of a dispute, since absolutely everyone seemed to have multiple agendae, even the Jedi Council, which I had expected to be a wholly noble (and unpolitical) enterprise.

Anyway, despite its many flaws, the Star Wars cycle had its moments.

Indigo S.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 12:42 AM

BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
As for Ep. III, the fact that we see his transformation to Vader, and see that Padme's twins are named Luke and Leia, it totally negates any suspense those revelations impart to Eps V and VI. Revenge of the Sith should have ended with us thinking Annakin had died at the lava pits, and there should have been no mention of the birth of the twins. Future generations could then experience the story from the first and get the full dramatic impact.

You know, I had never even thought of that. You're right, the last 10 minutes of Ep. III pretty much sucks all the magic and mystery out of the Original Trilogy (and I have to agree with Randal on Clerks II, screw LotR, Star Wars is THE trilogy).

My main problem with the trilogy was the scientific explination of the force. The whole midichlorian subplot was painful. Couple that with Anakin's Immaculate conception and you have a recipe for disaster on your hands.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:07 AM

JOSSISAGOD

Quote:
Originally posted by IndigoStarblaster:
The dialogue in Eps 1 through 3 was just terrible (I can't imagine how Lucas actually got worse at writing dialogue with time.

I think it's in the Making of Revenge of the Sith visual companion, that Lucas mentions that dialogue was never one of his stronger suits.(SP)

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:29 AM

CYBERSNARK

Quote:
Originally posted by jossisagod:
I think it's in the Making of Revenge of the Sith visual companion, that Lucas mentions that dialogue was never one of his stronger suits.

Thus intimating that we the fans aren't worth the effort it would've taken to fix this known problem.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:33 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Can't I just look at the "Prequels" in the same way I look at Highlander 2? As if they were an abberration and have no bearing on the storyline?

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 5:47 AM

STORYMARK

Lucas did bring in other writers to help polish the dialog (Carrie Fisher on Ep.1, Jonathan Hales on 2, and Tom Stoppard on 3), so while he admits it's a weakness for him, he did try to get some help.

And, in the "good things Lucas has done" catagory.: He just donated $175 million to his alma-mater, USC.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:28 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Can't I just look at the "Prequels" in the same way I look at Highlander 2?

Difference is, even Phantom Menace is better than Highlander 2...in fact, only Battlefield Earth is worse than that.

There can be only ONE Chrisisall

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:37 AM

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Can't I just look at the "Prequels" in the same way I look at Highlander 2?
Difference is, even Phantom Menace is better than Highlander 2...in fact, only Battlefield Earth is worse than that.

There can be only ONE Chrisisall

Watching a video of my left foot would be better than Highlander 2. But my lumping it in with the Star Wars "prequels" was simply a way to convey to you the level of my disdain.

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:37 PM

EMBERS

Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:

They can all act, everyone who was in the prequels was a great actor. I don't know why but it's as if the prequels just sucked the talent out of people.

yeah the actors are getting blamed for bad writing and worse direction:
there isn't a cast in the world who could over come the problem of being stood up in a line and made to proclaim a lot of obvious statements in important voices.

In the episodes IV-VI Lucas had help with dialoge & characterization from Lawrence Kasden, one of the greatest dialoge writers ever.

I'm sorry ChrisIsAll, I have to hate Star Wars I-III because it sucked the life out of the earlier movies I loved, ruining their stories by attaching this pedantic, and mainly pointless, prequel. Pointless because there is little or nothing we are told in the prequel that we hadn't already been told in a more interesting and exciting way in episodes IV-VI (in my opinion).

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 6:45 PM

KANEMAN

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by FutureMrsFIllion:
Can't I just look at the "Prequels" in the same way I look at Highlander 2?
Difference is, even Phantom Menace is better than Highlander 2...in fact, only Battlefield Earth is worse than that.

There can be only ONE Chrisisall

"only Battlefield Earth"...
Ultravoilet?

Chris is wrong isall

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:36 PM

FOLLOWMAL

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
I'm sorry ChrisIsAll, I have to hate Star Wars I-III because it sucked the life out of the earlier movies I loved, ruining their stories by attaching this pedantic, and mainly pointless, prequel. Pointless because there is little or nothing we are told in the prequel that we had been told in a more interesting and exciting way in episodes IV-VI (in my opinion).

Embers you said this so much more eloquently than I could have but this is exactly the way I feel.

Go to www.bigdamnthankyou.com and check it out!

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:10 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:

In the episodes IV-VI Lucas had help with dialoge & characterization from Lawrence Kasden, one of the greatest dialoge writers ever.

I agree, and he's the reason Raiders is better than the sequels....

Em, are you getting the release of the original theartical versions of IV-VI?
I'm not, I can hold with the ones I got, Jabba's tail-step-over and all. A long yawn takes care of that.

Sees where you're coming from Chrisisall

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:12 AM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by kaneman:

"only Battlefield Earth"...
Ultravoilet?

Chris is wrong isall

Haven't seen Ultraviolet, but if ya wanna pay me....

Heard it's really bad, as in biblically bad Chrisisall

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:58 AM

EMBERS

Quote:
Originally posted by chrisisall:

Em, are you getting the release of the original theartical versions of IV-VI?
I'm not, I can hold with the ones I got, Jabba's tail-step-over and all. A long yawn takes care of that.
Sees where you're coming from Chrisisall

I had planned to, but when push came to shove I just wasn't ready to rewatch them....
I don't own that many DVD, only things I know for sure I want to rewatch many times.

Back when videos first came out I collected everything I could lay my hands on, and invariably my friends wanted to watch something I was sick to death of... so now I only own what I know I'll enjoy watching ad nausium.

kind of a long winded response, huh? sorry about that

-the verbose embers, getting all excited about seeing Serenity tonight in Oakland

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 6:20 AM

KAYNA

I love my captain

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:

They can all act, everyone who was in the prequels was a great actor. I don't know why but it's as if the prequels just sucked the talent out of people.

yeah the actors are getting blamed for bad writing and worse direction:
there isn't a cast in the world who could over come the problem of being stood up in a line and made to proclaim a lot of obvious statements in important voices.

In the episodes IV-VI Lucas had help with dialoge & characterization from Lawrence Kasden, one of the greatest dialoge writers ever.

See, that's what I'm saying. It was actually rather sad to see all those wonderfull actors trying to play that horrible dialogue. And I still blame much on Direction.

The prequels could have been good movies. There was already a framework ther for a great story but it was filled out all wrong. Again. This is why I reserve my hate for George Lucas instead of the prequels which really only bug me.

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Thursday, September 21, 2006 12:07 PM

CHRISISALL

Quote:
Originally posted by embers:
so now I only own what I know I'll enjoy watching ad nausium.

My Buffy DVD's are almost as tattered-looking as my Serenity disk....

And I treat 'em nice Chrisisall

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Monday, September 25, 2006 10:51 PM

BRYS

I've never really hated the prequels. I actually saw episode 1 first, and then saw the originals. While there were some truly horrible moments in the prequels and on the whole they weren't as good as the originals, they weren't absolutely terrible. And I've never thought that the original trilogy was nearly as much a masterpiece as most other people seem to suggest it was. The same flaws that are evident in the prequels in the originals, they're just better disguised.

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Tuesday, September 26, 2006 2:15 AM

ADAMWANKENOBI

I love all six!

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