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Why people sometimes feel (some) Religion is attacking Freedom
Friday, May 25, 2012 5:56 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Quote:Harris' comments came in a heated environment in the Tarheel State. On Tuesday, voters will cast ballots on Amendment One, which would amend the state constitution to say that "Marriage between one man and one woman is the only domestic legal union that shall be valid or recognized in this State." While North Carolina already has a law banning same-sex marriage, the passage of the amendment would effectively ban same-sex civil unions and domestic partnerships.
Friday, May 25, 2012 6:29 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Friday, May 25, 2012 6:34 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Friday, May 25, 2012 6:37 AM
PHOENIXROSE
You think you know--what's to come, what you are. You haven't even begun.
Quote:Originally posted by Niki2: By the way, Billy Graham, in encouraging people to vote for it, said "The Bible is clear – God’s definition of marriage is between a man and a woman." I thought the Bible DIDN'T specify that..does it, in so many words? Just curious.
Friday, May 25, 2012 6:52 AM
Quote:But the bill also includes a radical, unintentional, change—outlawing one form of heterosexual marriage. According to H.B. 1198, a marriage must be "licensed, solemnized, and registered." That language abolishes common-law marriage. So in order to sign a bill intended to uphold old-fashioned marriage, the Governor will also have to destroy a perfectly legitimate form of old-fashioned marriage, whose benefits Colorado residents have enjoyed since Territorial days. http://www.davekopel.com/Misc/OpEds/Op051597.htm that case it was a goof and the legislators didn't read the whole bill, but the result is the same. There's also a bill in Georgia which would do the same http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=348&dat=19960315&id=W3QwAAAAIBAJ&sjid=_TYDAAAAIBAJ&pg=4281,4893807] And Texas REALLY screwed up in attempting to ban any kind of same-sex union back in 2009:Quote:The amendment, approved by the Legislature and overwhelmingly ratified by voters, declares that "marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman." But the troublemaking phrase, as Radnofsky sees it, is Subsection B, which declares: "This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage." Architects of the amendment included the clause to ban same-sex civil unions and domestic partnerships. But Radnofsky, who was a member of the powerhouse Vinson & Elkins law firm in Houston for 27 years until retiring in 2006, says the wording of Subsection B effectively "eliminates marriage in Texas," including common-law marriages. She calls it a "massive mistake" and blames the current attorney general, Republican Greg Abbott, for allowing the language to become part of the Texas Constitution. Radnofsky called on Abbott to acknowledge the wording as an error and consider an apology. She also said that another constitutional amendment may be necessary to reverse the problem. The constitutional amendment bans all Texas marriages. Please note that neither the Attorney General or the Liberty Legal Institute dispute Barbara Ann's legal analysis. Instead the Attorney General's office says that the AG will defend the constitutionality of a constitutional amendment which appears to ban all Texas marriages. Abbott spokesman Jerry Strickland said the attorney general stands behind the 4-year-old amendment: "The Texas Constitution and the marriage statute are entirely constitutional," Strickland said without commenting further on Radnofsky’s statements. "We will continue to defend both in court." http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/18/805591/-Texas-marriages-in-legal-limbo-w-poll- I guess in Texas you're not married uless the AG defends it! Then again, it IS Texas... (sorry Mike)
Quote:The amendment, approved by the Legislature and overwhelmingly ratified by voters, declares that "marriage in this state shall consist only of the union of one man and one woman." But the troublemaking phrase, as Radnofsky sees it, is Subsection B, which declares: "This state or a political subdivision of this state may not create or recognize any legal status identical or similar to marriage." Architects of the amendment included the clause to ban same-sex civil unions and domestic partnerships. But Radnofsky, who was a member of the powerhouse Vinson & Elkins law firm in Houston for 27 years until retiring in 2006, says the wording of Subsection B effectively "eliminates marriage in Texas," including common-law marriages. She calls it a "massive mistake" and blames the current attorney general, Republican Greg Abbott, for allowing the language to become part of the Texas Constitution. Radnofsky called on Abbott to acknowledge the wording as an error and consider an apology. She also said that another constitutional amendment may be necessary to reverse the problem. The constitutional amendment bans all Texas marriages. Please note that neither the Attorney General or the Liberty Legal Institute dispute Barbara Ann's legal analysis. Instead the Attorney General's office says that the AG will defend the constitutionality of a constitutional amendment which appears to ban all Texas marriages. Abbott spokesman Jerry Strickland said the attorney general stands behind the 4-year-old amendment: "The Texas Constitution and the marriage statute are entirely constitutional," Strickland said without commenting further on Radnofsky’s statements. "We will continue to defend both in court." http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/11/18/805591/-Texas-marriages-in-legal-limbo-w-poll- I guess in Texas you're not married uless the AG defends it! Then again, it IS Texas... (sorry Mike)
Friday, May 25, 2012 6:56 AM
Friday, May 25, 2012 7:30 AM
CANTTAKESKY
Quote:Originally posted by ANTHONYT: The mask was thin and transparent, but now it no longer exists.
BYTEMITE
Friday, May 25, 2012 7:38 AM
Friday, May 25, 2012 7:47 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: You know, reading all this makes me wonder why people even NEED to state sanction or religious sanction marriage. All this language about approval from some officiating numbnuts. Our society has moved PAST this noise. There are limits to how much control they have, how much they interfere - they only have as much as we'll let them have. I'm calling for boycott. Complete. Utter. Revolution. We don't need them. There are enough good souls who struggle with the double standards in the various institutions where unfair treatment is codified to unofficially change it through their actions. Piss them off, they are impotent, ignore the laws, the rules. Take a stand for human decency.
Friday, May 25, 2012 7:48 AM
Quote:Originally posted by BYTEMITE: I'm pretty sure North Carolina considers homosexuality sodomy, so in another way of looking at this, isn't all this redundant? They've already criminalized it.
Friday, May 25, 2012 7:51 AM
Friday, May 25, 2012 9:52 AM
FREMDFIRMA
Friday, May 25, 2012 11:38 AM
Quote: That said, were someone to lynch one or more of these extremist fucks, I'd not lift a finger to intervene. "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you."
Monday, May 28, 2012 7:53 AM
RIONAEIRE
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