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Sandusky Convicted
Friday, June 22, 2012 5:12 PM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Friday, June 22, 2012 6:18 PM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Friday, June 22, 2012 7:04 PM
CATPIRATE
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Saturday, June 23, 2012 2:29 AM
WHOZIT
Saturday, June 23, 2012 4:29 AM
AURAPTOR
America loves a winner!
Saturday, June 23, 2012 5:14 AM
HKCAVALIER
Quote:Originally posted by ANTHONYT: Hello, It is entirely possible that the wife didn't know.
ELVISCHRIST
Saturday, June 23, 2012 5:27 AM
BYTEMITE
Quote:Originally posted by HKCavalier: Quote:Originally posted by ANTHONYT: Hello, It is entirely possible that the wife didn't know. Not entirely, Anthony. Just this week on the witness stand she was displaying jealousy of the boys and she was characterizing the victims as seductive. And she never expressed surprise or outrage at the accusations made against her husband. No compassion for these now young men whom we've all seen suffering on the witness stand like any normal person would. No, they were all "problem" children in her mind. Classic behavior of a wife who knows. Think Anthony: is this how a woman would react who was as shocked and surprised as the rest of us when we heard the news this past year? Is this how any sane human being would react if they really didn't know? Saying she didn't know is a lot like saying Jerry didn't know what he was doing was wrong. There's confusion, much distortion and denial, practiced and perfected over 15 or more years, but at the end of the day, they're pretty obviously lying. To themselves every bit as much as the rest of us. HKCavalier
Saturday, June 23, 2012 5:54 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:06 AM
Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:08 AM
Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:12 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Capacity for denial is alarmingly high. Especially when faced with a potentially life-changing situation. Look at the number of smokers who deny that smoking kills, the number of drinkers who deny they're drunks, the number of abusers who deny they abuse, the power-producers and wasters who deny global warming, the pro-militarists who deny our tyrannical role, and the pro-corporatists who deny they're getting screwed. Because, if you had to face the truth of things, why... you might have to DO SOMETHING. And it might COST you something... a nice life, a favorite addiction, concealment from the eye of Sauron.
Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:23 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Quote:2. The wife always knows and condones or even encourages his behavior. Typically wives of child molesters are the last to know. Men who molest keep their activities secret and often threaten their victims not to tell or they will hurt their mothers or other family members. http://ezinearticles.com/?8-Myths-About-Child-Molesters&id=6716990 there are those who DO know, but can't face it so they either consciously or unconsciously deny it's happening. From a psychologist:Quote:In my years of profiling violent crimes, I have found that in the majority of cases that I studied, the spouses knew about the child molestation which was carried out by their spouses. Of course the wives never admitted this once an investigation was opened; however, victims have often stated that the wives of their abusers were present when the attacks took place. As the victims called out for help, it was common for the wives to walk away and shut the door behind them. In other cases, the wives would see their spouses bringing children into their bedrooms but said nothing. Many victims tell their mothers that their fathers are molesting them, and they are not believed. First and foremost, they are adamant that they didn’t know what was going on. Amazingly, these women who were teachers, physician assistants, and charity fundraisers became stunningly stupid when it came to the sex abuse. Though considered intelligent, these women claim that they couldn’t put two and two together that their husbands were doing something wrong when there was an endless parade of young boys or girls going into the bedroom with their spouses. It strains credulity to believe that these women knew nothing. Some play their part and aid their spouses because they fear the shame and potential judgment if the truth came out. They cannot believe such a horrible thing is happening, and if they keep it secret then somehow it is less real. In a very twisted type of thinking they would rather live with their secret and play their role in the abuse than to face shame or any potential consequences. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/disturbed/201204/what-predators-wives-really-know particular psychologist had a real hard-on for spouses of pedophiles (understandably), but it's well documented that in some cases, wives "know" but they don't admit it to themselves. There are levels of knowing something, those who are capable of denial do so by rationalizing away the evidence, or the spouse will blame the child. You heard it in the Sandusky trial, how parents disbelieved the children's stories; for the woman living with a pedophile, it can be the same. Conscious recognition of what's going on is subliminated so that they convince themselves it isn't happening. It's sick, but it's human nature to avoid the unpleasant, and wives face having their family destroyed, the condemnation of friends and family, self-hatred, etc., so the brain "protects" them from conscious knowledge. Humans are very complex, and dealing with things like child abuse can get very convoluted.
Quote:In my years of profiling violent crimes, I have found that in the majority of cases that I studied, the spouses knew about the child molestation which was carried out by their spouses. Of course the wives never admitted this once an investigation was opened; however, victims have often stated that the wives of their abusers were present when the attacks took place. As the victims called out for help, it was common for the wives to walk away and shut the door behind them. In other cases, the wives would see their spouses bringing children into their bedrooms but said nothing. Many victims tell their mothers that their fathers are molesting them, and they are not believed. First and foremost, they are adamant that they didn’t know what was going on. Amazingly, these women who were teachers, physician assistants, and charity fundraisers became stunningly stupid when it came to the sex abuse. Though considered intelligent, these women claim that they couldn’t put two and two together that their husbands were doing something wrong when there was an endless parade of young boys or girls going into the bedroom with their spouses. It strains credulity to believe that these women knew nothing. Some play their part and aid their spouses because they fear the shame and potential judgment if the truth came out. They cannot believe such a horrible thing is happening, and if they keep it secret then somehow it is less real. In a very twisted type of thinking they would rather live with their secret and play their role in the abuse than to face shame or any potential consequences. http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/disturbed/201204/what-predators-wives-really-know particular psychologist had a real hard-on for spouses of pedophiles (understandably), but it's well documented that in some cases, wives "know" but they don't admit it to themselves. There are levels of knowing something, those who are capable of denial do so by rationalizing away the evidence, or the spouse will blame the child. You heard it in the Sandusky trial, how parents disbelieved the children's stories; for the woman living with a pedophile, it can be the same. Conscious recognition of what's going on is subliminated so that they convince themselves it isn't happening. It's sick, but it's human nature to avoid the unpleasant, and wives face having their family destroyed, the condemnation of friends and family, self-hatred, etc., so the brain "protects" them from conscious knowledge. Humans are very complex, and dealing with things like child abuse can get very convoluted.
Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:30 AM
Quote:Capacity for denial is alarmingly high. Especially when faced with a potentially life-changing situation. Look at the number of smokers who deny that smoking kills, the number of drinkers who deny they're drunks, the number of abusers who deny they abuse, the power-producers and wasters who deny global warming, the pro-militarists who deny our tyrannical role, and the pro-corporatists who deny they're getting screwed. Because, if you had to face the truth of things, why... you might have to DO SOMETHING. And it might COST you something... a nice life, a favorite addiction, concealment from the eye of Sauron.
Saturday, June 23, 2012 6:42 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Quote:That particular psychologist had a real hard-on for spouses of pedophiles...
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PIRATENEWS
John Lee, conspiracy therapist at Hollywood award-winner History Channel-mocked SNL-spoofed PirateNew.org wooHOO!!!!!!
Saturday, June 23, 2012 10:03 AM
Quote:And forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't know that any of Jerry's victims report being threatened by him not to tell. It was at least not part of his M.O.
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RIONAEIRE
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Monday, June 25, 2012 5:52 AM
CAVETROLL
Monday, June 25, 2012 7:11 AM
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