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Texas GOP Platform Calls for Repeal of Voting Rights Act
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:17 AM
KWICKO
"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:29 AM
ANTHONYT
Freedom is Important because People are Important
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:37 AM
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:46 AM
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 5:05 AM
MAL4PREZ
Quote:Originally posted by ANTHONYT: Hello, Oh my goodness. "Family and Defense of Marriage ? We support the definition of marriage as a God-ordained, legal and moral commitment only between a natural man and a natural woman, which is the foundational unit of a healthy society, and we oppose the assault on marriage by judicial activists." If I understand this correctly, they want only people who believe in God to get married? This goes beyond normal homophobia and enters religious persecution. God-ordained? They aren't even trying to hide the enactment of a theological state. Putting religious rules into law would be the first step to enacting a Christian version of Sharia. --Anthony
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:53 AM
NIKI2
Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:04 AM
PIZMOBEACH
... fully loaded, safety off...
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:15 AM
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 10:06 AM
Quote:Too bad secession can't happen without a civil war.
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:29 PM
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 1:35 PM
Quote:Originally posted by Kwicko: If Texas secedes, I'll be looking for a new place to live. I'm an American, not a Texan. "I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero "I've not watched the video either, or am incapable of intellectually dealing with the substance of this thread, so I'll instead act like a juvenile and claim victory..." - Rappy
Wednesday, June 27, 2012 4:12 PM
RIONAEIRE
Beir bua agus beannacht
Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:09 PM
Quote:No, Austin would be an island of American sanity in the middle of the new nation of Wackostan.
Quote:So what would Texas look like as a foreign country? It would be the world's thirteenth largest economy -- bigger than South Korea, Sweden, and Saudi Arabia. But its worth would crater precipitously, after NAFTA rejected it and the United States slapped it with an embargo that would make Cuba look like a free-trade zone. Indeed, Texas would quick become the next North Korea, relying on foreign aid due to its insistence on relying on itself. On the foreign policy front, a seceded Texas would suffer for deserting the world superpower. Obama wouldn't look kindly on secessionists, and would send in the military to tamp down rebellion. If Texas miraculously managed to hold its borders, Obama would not establish relations with the country -- though he might send a special rapporteur. (We nominate Kinky Friedman.) So, Texas would need to court Mexico and Central American nations as a trading partners and protectors. Those very nations would also pose a host of problems for Texas. President Perry might find friends in anti-U.S. nations like Venezuela and Cuba, but their socialist politics would rankle the libertarian nation. And Texas would become a conduit for drugs moving north to the United States from Mexico, maybe even becoming a narco-state. It would need to invest heavily in its own military and policing force to stop drug violence within its borders -- taking away valuable resources from, oh, feeding its people, fending off U.S. border incursions, and improving its standing in the world. In short: The state of Texas would rapidly become direly impoverished, would need to be heavily armed, and would be wracked with existential domestic and foreign policy threats. It would probably make our failed states list in short order. Probably better to pay the damn taxes. http://wellthoughtoutlife.blogspot.com/2009/04/what-if-texas-seceded.html of that is valid, some is pure snark. By the way, Chuck Norris has volunteered to be President if they do secede. This is a pretty thoughtful approximation:Quote:We begin our exercise in Austin, capital of the new Republic of Texas, where the Independence Day party raged until dawn to the music of Austin's own Asleep at the Wheel. Lead singer Ray Benson announced to the crowd, "We have severed the ties with the United States of America. Texas is free!" and the masses roared in response. The former state has reinvented itself as a sort of Lone Star Singapore, with low taxes, free trade and minimal regulation. It enters the community of nations as the world's 15th-largest economy, with vast oil and gas reserves, busy international ports, an independent power grid and a laissez-faire attitude about making money. Texas Is 'Open For Business' The Texas Association of Business advertises the new nation's economic potential with a radio ad that declares, "Texas: Now it is a whole other country — and it's open for business ... C'mon over. Be part of our vibrant free-market nation." What we have been able to do since we threw off the yoke of the federal government is create a country that has the assets necessary to build an incredible empire," says Bill Hammond, the association's president. Imagine airports without the Transportation Security Administration; gun sales without the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; land development without the Endangered Species Act; new congressional districts without the Voting Rights Act; and a new guest-worker program without Washington gridlock over immigration reform. Indeed, new immigration laws sailed through the Texas Congress. Immigrant workers are now legally crossing the border to frame houses, mow lawns and clean hotel rooms. "We now have a safe and secure guest-worker program that allows immigrants to come and go as the jobs ebb and flow, and fill the jobs that Texans are unwilling to do," Hammond says. The new normal is a leaner government that bears little resemblance to the full-service nation it left behind. The Tea Party faithful who embraced nationhood early on say it's a lot better than being beholden to Chinese bankers. "What is the Republic of Texas charged with actually doing? [It's] charged with defense, charged with education, charged with a few things that you have to do, and the rest is wide open," says Felicia Cravens, a high school drama teacher active in the Houston Tea Party movement. "Liberty may look like chaos, but to us it's a lot of choices." Under statehood, the U.S. government contributed 60 percent of all Texas aid to the poor. In an independent republic, federal benefits like food stamps, free school lunches and unemployment compensation would disappear, according to two Dallas Tea Party leaders. "The nation of Texas is a living experiment into what we call the empowerment society. It is no longer a caretaker society," says Ken Emanuelson, founder of the Grassroots Texans Network. Texas Tea Party member Katrina Pierson adds, "There's a safety net that's always been out there. We don't have that anymore. You will be a productive member of society and our environment doesn't allow for people to not be productive." Southern Methodist University political scientist Cal Jillson imagines that low-wage Texas would become a new magnet for assembly plants that might have considered setting up shop in Mexico or Malaysia. "Since Texas has become independent, we are surprised — and some are pleased — to see that maquiladora [or foreign-owned] plants are springing up on the south side of the Red River and on the Sabine [River]," Jillson says. "The American South is complaining because some plants are moving to Texas." With independence, the epic battles between the state of Texas and the Environmental Protection Agency would finally be over. The state sued the EPA repeatedly for telling Texas how to run its refineries and coal-fired power plants. Business experts say the new republic would rely on voluntary pollution controls with minimal oversight — a boon to the industrial sector. But how would that go over with residents of refinery towns who have to breathe the air where they live? "I am very, very skeptical that the nation of Texas will do a good job at protecting the health and safety of the people, because the EPA is no longer in the equation," says Hilton Kelley, founder and director of the Community Empowerment and Development Association in Port Arthur. "It's all about petroleum; it's all about money." 'Peeling Back The Onion' Of Texan Independence As an independent country, Texas's red granite capitol building would no longer fly the American flag, only the Lone Star. The new nationalism that breaks out inside the new government would soon be tempered by an independence hangover. "Every day we're peeling back the onion and finding another level of complexity that I don't think anybody initially anticipated," says Harvey Kronberg, longtime editor and publisher of the Texas political newsletter Quorum Report. According to Kronberg, a modern sovereign nation requires more — not less — government than a state would. Consider all the new departments it would need to monitor things like foreign affairs, aviation and nuclear regulation. And then there are all the expenses Washington used to take care of — things like maintaining interstate highways, inspecting meat and checking passports. "Reality is beginning to stagger the folks in the [capitol] building," Kronberg says. Public education is a good example. In 2011, the Texas state Legislature slashed billions of dollars from school systems at a time when Texas was already 43rd among the states in per pupil spending and dead last in the number of adults who completed high school. Steve Murdock, the former Texas state demographer and current director of the Hobby Center for the Study of Texas, expects that things would not improve under the budget of a struggling infant nation. "For Texas to be the competitive nation that we would all wish it would be, it has to make major improvements in education," Murdock says, "because right now it's falling short." Texas writer Joe Nick Patoski sits on a bench in downtown Austin, ruminating on the hassles of self-rule. "You can't get in the car and go to New Orleans [and] be there in six hours anymore," he says. "Listen, have you been to the Louisiana checkpoint in Vinton? They're extracting some kind of revenge, the way they treat us as Third World citizens." Patoski imagines losing a number of friends to the post-secession "Texodus," when U.S. citizens fled Texas for the Upper 48 states. He says he's rooting for the republic, but he's anxious for its future. "I'm still proud to be a Texan," he says, "but I wish they would've thought this through before they jumped and cut the cord." Step 1: Don't Go To War With Oklahoma During the state's first run as a republic, from 1836 to 1845, Texas established diplomatic relations with England, France, the Netherlands and the United States. Today, the modern nation of Texas would find even more countries eager to build embassies in Austin, says Carne Ross of Independent Diplomat, a New York firm that advises fledgling nations. "Because of Texas' wealth — [it's the] 15th-largest economy in the world — [foreign nations] do not want to have bad relations with Texas," Ross says. "There are many countries, China for instance, that want to preserve their ability to access countries with major oil and gas reserves, so Texas fit into that." Unlike the first republic, a modern nation of Texas needs to have positions on things like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. "But what was interesting was that Texas' positions were often quite different from the remaining United States," Ross says. What would Texas's foreign policy entail? Country singer and humorist Kinky Friedman imagines what he would do as the Texas secretary of foreign affairs. "I think the first thing we would do is go to the Third World countries and teach the women how to grow big hair and give the men Rick Perry wigs," he says. "I will keep us out of war with Oklahoma. And one of the first countries we'll open free trade with is Cuba. We will be opening cigar stores all over Texas. We're not supporting their economy; we're burning their fields." From Texas To La Republica De Tejas Texas might see itself as culturally akin to its former fatherland, but as time goes on, the nation's destiny would be determined by its genetic ties to the south. If current demographic growth continues, Texas will become majority Hispanic within a generation. The prospect of Texas as the newest Latin American nation amuses Austin cultural marketing consultant Mando Rayo. "Texas becomes La Republica de Tejas," Rayo says. "The panhandle city of Amarillo becomes Amarillo, and our national pride, the Dallas Vaqueros, win the Super Bowl." But would the U.S. let Texas go or would there be a constitutional standoff and opposition from the remaining united states? University of Texas, Austin, presidential scholar H.W. Brands doesn't anticipate a painful separation. "The Texans were all set for a fight," he says. "I don't know, maybe they were a little bit surprised — maybe they were miffed — that much of the rest of the country said, 'Well we've had enough of the Texans, let 'em go. We'll be better off without 'em.' " The premise of an independent Texas isn't actually all that popular in the Lone Star State. Last year, Public Policy Polling asked Texans if they favored secession, and fewer than 1 in 5 were for it. As for the 18 percent that said yes — they can just consider our simulation food for thought. http://www.npr.org/2012/03/30/149094135/lone-star-state-of-mind-could-texas-go-it-alone of tht is comedy, of course, but some brings up points that hadn't occurred to me. Tell you one thing, I'd die rather than live there! Bad education, no regulation, low wages, and on and on, according to what the tea partiers, etc., down there think. Then there's this:Quote:Go for it guys, so long as you don't mind being Saudi Arabia's far-flung American cousin. OK, strong statement--but the think about it for a second. Both are oil-rich states, armed with big deserts and seafront property and vast natural resources which have been heavily exploited. Their leaders approve of torture. Citizens in both states are executed with alarming frequency. Radical religious fundamentalist groups (polygamist cults, Wahabbi) have a powerful impact on regional politics and life. Both are shockingly unfair places to live--87 percent of Texas communities exceed the US poverty rate, while women in Saudi Arabia have been marginalized, well, forever. Both have large immigrant communities which, historically, have been discriminated against by power classes. I'm being tongue-in-cheek here, but overreactions on this scale have earned a jab or ten. (Speaking of overreactions, remember when Saudi Arabia banned all things red around Valentine's Day, because it was sinful? Sound familiar?)More at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-stewart/if-texas-seceded-itd-be-s_b_196895.html person points outQuote:Congress would be brought to their knees to let them back for these reasons. 1. 60% of fortune 500 companies are based in Texas. 2. 20% of the top 1% of income earners. 3. Collapse of trade with Mexico. 4. 40% increase in energy costs from "Texas" Crude.But I don't think it's as simple as that. It's something interesting to contemplate and consider, as it's pretty complex.Quote:Is there no legal avenue for a state to secede? Apparently there is. While looking around for hte above, I saw mention several times of some states having it in their constitution that they can secede Too sleepy to look further, but apparently it' not illegal.
Quote:We begin our exercise in Austin, capital of the new Republic of Texas, where the Independence Day party raged until dawn to the music of Austin's own Asleep at the Wheel. Lead singer Ray Benson announced to the crowd, "We have severed the ties with the United States of America. Texas is free!" and the masses roared in response. The former state has reinvented itself as a sort of Lone Star Singapore, with low taxes, free trade and minimal regulation. It enters the community of nations as the world's 15th-largest economy, with vast oil and gas reserves, busy international ports, an independent power grid and a laissez-faire attitude about making money. Texas Is 'Open For Business' The Texas Association of Business advertises the new nation's economic potential with a radio ad that declares, "Texas: Now it is a whole other country — and it's open for business ... C'mon over. Be part of our vibrant free-market nation." What we have been able to do since we threw off the yoke of the federal government is create a country that has the assets necessary to build an incredible empire," says Bill Hammond, the association's president. Imagine airports without the Transportation Security Administration; gun sales without the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; land development without the Endangered Species Act; new congressional districts without the Voting Rights Act; and a new guest-worker program without Washington gridlock over immigration reform. Indeed, new immigration laws sailed through the Texas Congress. Immigrant workers are now legally crossing the border to frame houses, mow lawns and clean hotel rooms. "We now have a safe and secure guest-worker program that allows immigrants to come and go as the jobs ebb and flow, and fill the jobs that Texans are unwilling to do," Hammond says. The new normal is a leaner government that bears little resemblance to the full-service nation it left behind. The Tea Party faithful who embraced nationhood early on say it's a lot better than being beholden to Chinese bankers. "What is the Republic of Texas charged with actually doing? [It's] charged with defense, charged with education, charged with a few things that you have to do, and the rest is wide open," says Felicia Cravens, a high school drama teacher active in the Houston Tea Party movement. "Liberty may look like chaos, but to us it's a lot of choices." Under statehood, the U.S. government contributed 60 percent of all Texas aid to the poor. In an independent republic, federal benefits like food stamps, free school lunches and unemployment compensation would disappear, according to two Dallas Tea Party leaders. "The nation of Texas is a living experiment into what we call the empowerment society. It is no longer a caretaker society," says Ken Emanuelson, founder of the Grassroots Texans Network. Texas Tea Party member Katrina Pierson adds, "There's a safety net that's always been out there. We don't have that anymore. You will be a productive member of society and our environment doesn't allow for people to not be productive." Southern Methodist University political scientist Cal Jillson imagines that low-wage Texas would become a new magnet for assembly plants that might have considered setting up shop in Mexico or Malaysia. "Since Texas has become independent, we are surprised — and some are pleased — to see that maquiladora [or foreign-owned] plants are springing up on the south side of the Red River and on the Sabine [River]," Jillson says. "The American South is complaining because some plants are moving to Texas." With independence, the epic battles between the state of Texas and the Environmental Protection Agency would finally be over. The state sued the EPA repeatedly for telling Texas how to run its refineries and coal-fired power plants. Business experts say the new republic would rely on voluntary pollution controls with minimal oversight — a boon to the industrial sector. But how would that go over with residents of refinery towns who have to breathe the air where they live? "I am very, very skeptical that the nation of Texas will do a good job at protecting the health and safety of the people, because the EPA is no longer in the equation," says Hilton Kelley, founder and director of the Community Empowerment and Development Association in Port Arthur. "It's all about petroleum; it's all about money." 'Peeling Back The Onion' Of Texan Independence As an independent country, Texas's red granite capitol building would no longer fly the American flag, only the Lone Star. The new nationalism that breaks out inside the new government would soon be tempered by an independence hangover. "Every day we're peeling back the onion and finding another level of complexity that I don't think anybody initially anticipated," says Harvey Kronberg, longtime editor and publisher of the Texas political newsletter Quorum Report. According to Kronberg, a modern sovereign nation requires more — not less — government than a state would. Consider all the new departments it would need to monitor things like foreign affairs, aviation and nuclear regulation. And then there are all the expenses Washington used to take care of — things like maintaining interstate highways, inspecting meat and checking passports. "Reality is beginning to stagger the folks in the [capitol] building," Kronberg says. Public education is a good example. In 2011, the Texas state Legislature slashed billions of dollars from school systems at a time when Texas was already 43rd among the states in per pupil spending and dead last in the number of adults who completed high school. Steve Murdock, the former Texas state demographer and current director of the Hobby Center for the Study of Texas, expects that things would not improve under the budget of a struggling infant nation. "For Texas to be the competitive nation that we would all wish it would be, it has to make major improvements in education," Murdock says, "because right now it's falling short." Texas writer Joe Nick Patoski sits on a bench in downtown Austin, ruminating on the hassles of self-rule. "You can't get in the car and go to New Orleans [and] be there in six hours anymore," he says. "Listen, have you been to the Louisiana checkpoint in Vinton? They're extracting some kind of revenge, the way they treat us as Third World citizens." Patoski imagines losing a number of friends to the post-secession "Texodus," when U.S. citizens fled Texas for the Upper 48 states. He says he's rooting for the republic, but he's anxious for its future. "I'm still proud to be a Texan," he says, "but I wish they would've thought this through before they jumped and cut the cord." Step 1: Don't Go To War With Oklahoma During the state's first run as a republic, from 1836 to 1845, Texas established diplomatic relations with England, France, the Netherlands and the United States. Today, the modern nation of Texas would find even more countries eager to build embassies in Austin, says Carne Ross of Independent Diplomat, a New York firm that advises fledgling nations. "Because of Texas' wealth — [it's the] 15th-largest economy in the world — [foreign nations] do not want to have bad relations with Texas," Ross says. "There are many countries, China for instance, that want to preserve their ability to access countries with major oil and gas reserves, so Texas fit into that." Unlike the first republic, a modern nation of Texas needs to have positions on things like the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. "But what was interesting was that Texas' positions were often quite different from the remaining United States," Ross says. What would Texas's foreign policy entail? Country singer and humorist Kinky Friedman imagines what he would do as the Texas secretary of foreign affairs. "I think the first thing we would do is go to the Third World countries and teach the women how to grow big hair and give the men Rick Perry wigs," he says. "I will keep us out of war with Oklahoma. And one of the first countries we'll open free trade with is Cuba. We will be opening cigar stores all over Texas. We're not supporting their economy; we're burning their fields." From Texas To La Republica De Tejas Texas might see itself as culturally akin to its former fatherland, but as time goes on, the nation's destiny would be determined by its genetic ties to the south. If current demographic growth continues, Texas will become majority Hispanic within a generation. The prospect of Texas as the newest Latin American nation amuses Austin cultural marketing consultant Mando Rayo. "Texas becomes La Republica de Tejas," Rayo says. "The panhandle city of Amarillo becomes Amarillo, and our national pride, the Dallas Vaqueros, win the Super Bowl." But would the U.S. let Texas go or would there be a constitutional standoff and opposition from the remaining united states? University of Texas, Austin, presidential scholar H.W. Brands doesn't anticipate a painful separation. "The Texans were all set for a fight," he says. "I don't know, maybe they were a little bit surprised — maybe they were miffed — that much of the rest of the country said, 'Well we've had enough of the Texans, let 'em go. We'll be better off without 'em.' " The premise of an independent Texas isn't actually all that popular in the Lone Star State. Last year, Public Policy Polling asked Texans if they favored secession, and fewer than 1 in 5 were for it. As for the 18 percent that said yes — they can just consider our simulation food for thought. http://www.npr.org/2012/03/30/149094135/lone-star-state-of-mind-could-texas-go-it-alone of tht is comedy, of course, but some brings up points that hadn't occurred to me. Tell you one thing, I'd die rather than live there! Bad education, no regulation, low wages, and on and on, according to what the tea partiers, etc., down there think. Then there's this:Quote:Go for it guys, so long as you don't mind being Saudi Arabia's far-flung American cousin. OK, strong statement--but the think about it for a second. Both are oil-rich states, armed with big deserts and seafront property and vast natural resources which have been heavily exploited. Their leaders approve of torture. Citizens in both states are executed with alarming frequency. Radical religious fundamentalist groups (polygamist cults, Wahabbi) have a powerful impact on regional politics and life. Both are shockingly unfair places to live--87 percent of Texas communities exceed the US poverty rate, while women in Saudi Arabia have been marginalized, well, forever. Both have large immigrant communities which, historically, have been discriminated against by power classes. I'm being tongue-in-cheek here, but overreactions on this scale have earned a jab or ten. (Speaking of overreactions, remember when Saudi Arabia banned all things red around Valentine's Day, because it was sinful? Sound familiar?)More at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-stewart/if-texas-seceded-itd-be-s_b_196895.html person points outQuote:Congress would be brought to their knees to let them back for these reasons. 1. 60% of fortune 500 companies are based in Texas. 2. 20% of the top 1% of income earners. 3. Collapse of trade with Mexico. 4. 40% increase in energy costs from "Texas" Crude.But I don't think it's as simple as that. It's something interesting to contemplate and consider, as it's pretty complex.Quote:Is there no legal avenue for a state to secede? Apparently there is. While looking around for hte above, I saw mention several times of some states having it in their constitution that they can secede Too sleepy to look further, but apparently it' not illegal.
Quote:Go for it guys, so long as you don't mind being Saudi Arabia's far-flung American cousin. OK, strong statement--but the think about it for a second. Both are oil-rich states, armed with big deserts and seafront property and vast natural resources which have been heavily exploited. Their leaders approve of torture. Citizens in both states are executed with alarming frequency. Radical religious fundamentalist groups (polygamist cults, Wahabbi) have a powerful impact on regional politics and life. Both are shockingly unfair places to live--87 percent of Texas communities exceed the US poverty rate, while women in Saudi Arabia have been marginalized, well, forever. Both have large immigrant communities which, historically, have been discriminated against by power classes. I'm being tongue-in-cheek here, but overreactions on this scale have earned a jab or ten. (Speaking of overreactions, remember when Saudi Arabia banned all things red around Valentine's Day, because it was sinful? Sound familiar?)More at http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-stewart/if-texas-seceded-itd-be-s_b_196895.html person points outQuote:Congress would be brought to their knees to let them back for these reasons. 1. 60% of fortune 500 companies are based in Texas. 2. 20% of the top 1% of income earners. 3. Collapse of trade with Mexico. 4. 40% increase in energy costs from "Texas" Crude.But I don't think it's as simple as that. It's something interesting to contemplate and consider, as it's pretty complex.Quote:Is there no legal avenue for a state to secede? Apparently there is. While looking around for hte above, I saw mention several times of some states having it in their constitution that they can secede Too sleepy to look further, but apparently it' not illegal.
Quote:Congress would be brought to their knees to let them back for these reasons. 1. 60% of fortune 500 companies are based in Texas. 2. 20% of the top 1% of income earners. 3. Collapse of trade with Mexico. 4. 40% increase in energy costs from "Texas" Crude.
Quote:Is there no legal avenue for a state to secede?
Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:23 PM
BYTEMITE
Quote:Originally posted by ANTHONYT: Quote:Too bad secession can't happen without a civil war. Hello, Can't it? Is there no legal avenue for a state to secede? I actually think Texas would do quite well without the rest of us. And the rest of us quite well without Texas. --Anthony
Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:59 PM
Quote:Knowledge-Based Education – We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.
Thursday, June 28, 2012 1:27 PM
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FREMDFIRMA
Quote:Originally posted by mal4prez: What's really scary is how unapologetic they are about wanting America to be a religious state. These far righties have absolutely no understanding of religious freedom or separation of church and state. They all-out call for a Bible-based legal system. Ironically, those who most loudly tout the Biblical "law" are most violently against Islamic states. There's an interesting psychology there.
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