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Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:31 AM

America loves a winner!

Saw it.

Matrix / Terminator meets Independence Day.

I guess it was better than Battlefield Earth. I mean, the tech stuff was kinda cool.

But, in the end, I'm glad I didn't bother w/ seeing it in the theatre.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 5:19 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

Decent movie, but not a fully functional script. It was a Twilight Zone episode with high level FX. I could have done without the whole wife thing, it was poorly set up and so predictable.

The tech stuff was kinda cool, but the story needed work (that's where the script failed for me).

SGG

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Saw it.

Matrix / Terminator meets Independence Day.

I guess it was better than Battlefield Earth. I mean, the tech stuff was kinda cool.

But, in the end, I'm glad I didn't bother w/ seeing it in the theatre.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 6:52 PM

JONGSSTRAW

I've watched it a few times on HBO this month and I do like it. It has a lot going for it, and I think it's one of the best sci-fi films I've seen since Serenity.

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 8:13 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

The tech stuff was kinda cool, but the story needed work (that's where the script failed for me).

SGG

Really. In all that time, none of the 'team' members intentionally or randomly crossed paths with each other ? And other stuff too, but all in all, it still wasn't as bad as B.E. This movie was watchable.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:26 PM

JO753

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I liked it. Saw it at the theater. Definitely to be added to my BR collection.

In termz uv doomzday storyz, its gotta be a contender for #1 bleakest, rite up there with The Road.

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Monday, January 20, 2014 11:05 AM

ECGORDON

There's no place I can be since I found Serenity.

I can't remember if this was discussed last year when the movie came out. I did see it in the theater, and even though it was matinee price, I felt ripped off. Great special effects, and even decent acting, does not necessarily equate to a good film.

http://templetongate.net/oblivion.htm

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Monday, January 20, 2014 11:27 PM

SHINYGOODGUY

The team members were only supposed to cover a particular area and were forbidden to go beyond a certain point. The scenario was suggestive of Adam and Eve in the garden of eden, destined to repopulate the barren earth.

As I remember it, the "teams" were clones of the flight crew of humans. If the aliens are so advanced then why wouldn't they program them to obey and not venture beyond the designated area?

Just one of many questions!

SGG

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

The tech stuff was kinda cool, but the story needed work (that's where the script failed for me).

SGG

Really. In all that time, none of the 'team' members intentionally or randomly crossed paths with each other ? And other stuff too, but all in all, it still wasn't as bad as B.E. This movie was watchable.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 10:54 AM

OLDGUY

What Would Mal do ?

itunes rental on a weekend when there wasn't much else as an option..figured they woulda spent some $ on Cruse so it might be worth my time.

I found myself expanding the story, as if I were reading the book, as I watch the movie so at the end of the 2 hours I felt pretty satisfied with it all.

I'll likely add it to my library once it hits that $9 walmart sale mark... I liked it

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:07 AM

STORYMARK

I found it hugely derivative, but it was pretty, and entertaining enough as a rental.

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Tuesday, January 21, 2014 11:24 PM

AURAPTOR

America loves a winner!

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
The team members were only supposed to cover a particular area and were forbidden to go beyond a certain point. The scenario was suggestive of Adam and Eve in the garden of eden, destined to repopulate the barren earth.

As I remember it, the "teams" were clones of the flight crew of humans. If the aliens are so advanced then why wouldn't they program them to obey and not venture beyond the designated area?

Just one of many questions!

SGG

I have to admit, I wandered in and out of some scenes, so the part where it must have explained about the other 'team', I may have missed. I only caught the part where they first encountered each other.

As I understand it, the original essence of "Jack" survived the cloning process, and eventually took time to come to the surface of his conscience. Once that happened, he was 'himself' again.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Wednesday, January 22, 2014 2:47 AM

SHINYGOODGUY

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As I understand it, the original essence of "Jack" survived the cloning process, and eventually took time to come to the surface of his conscience. Once that happened, he was 'himself' again.
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Yes, the main theme, IMHO, was that the "true self" or "soul" came through the cloning process, and, in this case, that was brought forth by the power of love (the love he had for his wife). The reason why, for me, it was not a good plot device was that it wasn't properly set up. Maybe too, it wasn't a good plot device to begin with.

Notice too that his companion in the tower was also "aware" that something was amiss with Jack, it's as if she knew he was still in love with his wife. It's suggested that Victoria was in love with him aboard the ship prior to their capture and subsequent cloning. They never delve into her thoughts in the movie, but her actions suggest that perhaps this was so.

SGG

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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
The team members were only supposed to cover a particular area and were forbidden to go beyond a certain point. The scenario was suggestive of Adam and Eve in the garden of eden, destined to repopulate the barren earth.

As I remember it, the "teams" were clones of the flight crew of humans. If the aliens are so advanced then why wouldn't they program them to obey and not venture beyond the designated area?

Just one of many questions!

SGG

I have to admit, I wandered in and out of some scenes, so the part where it must have explained about the other 'team', I may have missed. I only caught the part where they first encountered each other.

As I understand it, the original essence of "Jack" survived the cloning process, and eventually took time to come to the surface of his conscience. Once that happened, he was 'himself' again.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

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Thursday, April 10, 2014 8:32 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:

The tech stuff was kinda cool, but the story needed work (that's where the script failed for me).

SGG

Really. In all that time, none of the 'team' members intentionally or randomly crossed paths with each other ? And other stuff too, but all in all, it still wasn't as bad as B.E. This movie was watchable.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.
" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

What? Why would they "cross paths"? You mean the technicians, right? They were prohibited from crossing into deadly restricted zones, only this tech was the one who didn't obey rules, which was why he was due for refurbishment or whatever they called it.
Or were you talking about the crewmates from the ship they piloted?

Spoiler alert: I thought it was more "Total Recall" than Matrix. There seemed a lot of theater viewers who didn't unsterstand it, couldn't explain it to each other, and were thankful that I was able to explain it to them. I chalk that up to the ADHD of cell-kiddies.

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Thursday, April 10, 2014 8:37 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
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Originally posted by SHINYGOODGUY:
The team members were only supposed to cover a particular area and were forbidden to go beyond a certain point. The scenario was suggestive of Adam and Eve in the garden of eden, destined to repopulate the barren earth.

As I remember it, the "teams" were clones of the flight crew of humans. If the aliens are so advanced then why wouldn't they program them to obey and not venture beyond the designated area?

Just one of many questions!

SGG

I have to admit, I wandered in and out of some scenes, so the part where it must have explained about the other 'team', I may have missed. I only caught the part where they first encountered each other.

Fathom the hypocrisy of a government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured... but not everyone must prove they are a citizen

I'm just a red pill guy in a room full of blue pill addicts.

" AU, that was great, LOL!! " - Chrisisall

OK, I didn't see this post. You should watch it completely sometime, like the $1 redbox. All of the above questions were answered, but paying attention was required. I thought it the most attention-needed film since Inception - so try figuring out Inception without watching all the scenes.

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Saturday, October 25, 2014 5:53 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

So I got it recently at the discount price. On BR, so cannot use zoom functions on player.

I still like it, figured I still would on rewatch. But got to check some details.

Continuity problems. Sure the Moon is destroyed, but why is it always over Tower 49? It never moves, day, night, for all the days of the film.
And when Jack as Tech 49 flying Bubbleship 52 visits Tower 52, Vika 52 talks to him, keeps glancing at his outfit right where the 49 insignia is located, but never mentions it. Does Vika 52 understand he is Tech49 - does not seem likely, she isn't that smart. Maybe the story should have had him switch tops with Tech52, but that never happened and he is still showing 49 on his top while in Tower 52.

The rest of the above complaints seem invalid. I might reply to them following this post.

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Sunday, October 26, 2014 3:33 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

I did wonder about the Latitude/longitude data given in the film.
The lat and long seem to be switched. Although the intro to the film shows Pentagon, Washington Monument, U.S. Capitol sites, the scenes in the story show Statue of Liberty, NYC Library, a great falls which might be Niagara, Empire State Building. The given graticules of 41 long and -73 lat would be Columbia, but 41 Lat and 73 long gets us to New York. Similarly reversing 29 long, -82 lat gives us Florida for 29 lat, -82 long. Reversing the given 43 long, 73 lat gives us Vermont for 43 lat, 73 long.

Didn't see this addressed in the film. Perhaps it is all B.S. fed to them by Tet, and has no relation to today's lat/long system. Anybody hear differently?

I did enjoy the extras on the DVD. Cool that they actually built the Bubbleship, and took it with them on the locations for filming. And how they minimized the CGI with all the background for the Tower scenes was cool.
Why they deleted the scene in the library with the Book of World Records I'm not sure - maybe they thought it would confuse the kiddies who don't know what a book is.

After recently watching Continuum, I noticed Oblivion is set in 2077, the same time Continuum comes back in time from.

1. Earlier in thread, AuRaptor mentions the Jack Harpers not meeting each other. A reply already posted, but this was because every Tech was prohibited from crossing into the RADIATION ZONES or he would DIE. Tech 49 did so only after Freeman's character dared him to do so, and the drones tried to kill him for doing so.

2. I did not consider it to be all that bleak - and it had far more sun, daylight and color than most dystopian flicks. Not nearly as bleak as A Boy and His Dog, it seemed.

3. Question of why the clones were not programmed to stay in their sector. For about 60 years they apparently did, or maybe it took Tet a few years to work out the kinks. But cloning a human apparently creates problems like mental curiosity and freedom of thought. Which would be why the mandatory 5-year Mind Wipes for security are needed (explained to the clones as precaution against the scavs getting any info from them, should they be captured.) So the Clone/reboot cycle only lasts about 5 years safely, after which time the clones get unruly and defy their programming. Pesky humans. Team 49 was in their last 2 weeks prior to getting wiped again, but they were promised an end to their tour, being able to rejoin the rest of the humans on Titan. Certainly the standard ruse for every Team due for reboot/reprogramming.

4. Apparently Tet's method of cloning retains some memories of the original Jack Harper. But for the past 50-60 years, there have apparently been about 10-12 cycles of clones replaced, multiplied by the number of Teams across the globe. Likely thousands of clones have gone before without having this problem, but the influence of Freeman's character set it off.

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Monday, October 27, 2014 7:35 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:
I did wonder about the Latitude/longitude data given in the film.
The lat and long seem to be switched.

Numbers bothers you? You can't navigate a dream with numbers.

Oblivion isn't really science fiction. It is fantasy. That's why the physics of Oblivion is bent out of shape. But bent with a purpose: to give the scenery extreme contrast to ordinary reality.

This is the explanation, from the script, for why sea level dropped a kilometer:

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He lowers the Binocs, glances upwards to where one of the
HUGE RESOURCE GATHERERS blots out half the sky, breath-
taking. It's hovering over what is left of a subsided
harbor, a few blasted and rusted hulks of ships. The
water level has dropped by a kilometer.
The Gatherer is sucking up salt water, harvesting the
elements essential to create DEUTERIUM, "Heavy Hydrogen."
At the top of the giant machine, Drones work tirelessly,
ferrying containers of Deuterium energy up into the sky.
Jack raises the Binocs, snaps a few photographs...

www.imsdb.com/scripts/Oblivion.html

It is bullshit even if you don't have the script's explanation. Once deuterium is removed from seawater, you are left with, wait for it, . . . seawater. Lots and lots of seawater. The water doesn't go away from Earth or leave, disintegrate, beam out, vanish, whatever. But the screenplay is set in a desert, so the Director makes Earth a desert that will have this green and watered contrast:

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JACK's ship emerges from a canyon into a beautiful
landscape we have never seen before. This is Jack's
SECRET PLACE. TREES exist on an island surrounded by
clean water.

Once again, there can not be a secret place that is beneath the open sky. Except in dreams. That's because the secret can be seen from the sky. By Tet. Above Jack's secret place only in Jack's dreams.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Monday, October 27, 2014 6:42 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Another item I noticed in cinema: why didn't we get to see the scene where Jack finds/sees his own lifepod/sleeppod "J Harper"? Clearly implied, but we don't get to see the scene. Was it at Oddessy crash site? Wouldn't Julie have shown it to him? Or was it taken by Mitch's crew to the hideout, and then when they grabbed Julie & Jack, or later?

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Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:10 AM

JONGSSTRAW

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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Sure the Moon is destroyed, but why is it always over Tower 49? It never moves, day, night, for all the days of the film.

What you see is the Tet, not the Moon. It's visible from the different sectors when Earth's rotation brings it within communication range.

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And when Jack as Tech 49 flying Bubbleship 52 visits Tower 52, Vika 52 talks to him, keeps glancing at his outfit right where the 49 insignia is located, but never mentions it. Does Vika 52 understand he is Tech49 - does not seem likely, she isn't that smart. Maybe the story should have had him switch tops with Tech52, but that never happened and he is still showing 49 on his top while in Tower 52.

The '49 insignia' is obscured by dirt and a folded flap when Vika 52 is talking to him. She doesn't see the number clearly. Also, Tower 52 is similar but different than Tower 49, and so are its Jack and Vika. The clones are programmed with just enough minimum intelligence to do their daily jobs and live as happy content couples. They don't have inquisitive minds. That's what makes Jack 49 different and special.

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Wouldn't Julie have shown it to him? Or was it taken by Mitch's crew to the hideout, and then when they grabbed Julie & Jack, or later?

Her name is Julia, not Julie.

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Thursday, October 30, 2014 7:28 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

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Originally posted by Jongsstraw:
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Originally posted by JEWELSTAITEFAN:

Sure the Moon is destroyed, but why is it always over Tower 49? It never moves, day, night, for all the days of the film.

What you see is the Tet, not the Moon. It's visible from the different sectors when Earth's rotation brings it within communication range.

Incorrect. Tet is not spherical in shape. Moon is mostly like our current moon, but with impact debris trail shot out of the 7 o'clock angle in each view of it, in the background sky of every scene of Tower.
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And when Jack as Tech 49 flying Bubbleship 52 visits Tower 52, Vika 52 talks to him, keeps glancing at his outfit right where the 49 insignia is located, but never mentions it. Does Vika 52 understand he is Tech49 - does not seem likely, she isn't that smart. Maybe the story should have had him switch tops with Tech52, but that never happened and he is still showing 49 on his top while in Tower 52.

The '49 insignia' is obscured by dirt and a folded flap when Vika 52 is talking to him. She doesn't see the number clearly. Also, Tower 52 is similar but different than Tower 49, and so are its Jack and Vika. The clones are programmed with just enough minimum intelligence to do their daily jobs and live as happy content couples. They don't have inquisitive minds. That's what makes Jack 49 different and special.

Nope. The rifle sling runs across the number patch, obscuring the 4 but not the right half of 9, which looks nothing like the right half of 2 would look like.
Tower 52, Jack 52 and Voka 52 are clones of 49, except different color scheme.

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Wouldn't Julie have shown it to him? Or was it taken by Mitch's crew to the hideout, and then when they grabbed Julie & Jack, or later?

Her name is Julia, not Julie.

Correct. I have no idea why I used "e" instead of "a".

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Saturday, November 1, 2014 8:09 PM

JO753

rezident owtsidr

After their 5 yirz, they woudnt really get mind wiped, they get dispozed and replaced by a fresh team.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/?ref_=nv_sr_4

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Sunday, November 2, 2014 1:59 PM

JEWELSTAITEFAN

Quote:
Originally posted by JO753:
After their 5 yirz, they woudnt really get mind wiped, they get dispozed and replaced by a fresh team.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/?ref_=nv_sr_4

Agreed. But I was thinking recycled. Either of those thoughts were too extreme for the team to go along with, so the concept of "mandatory mind wipe for security purposes" was programmed into them. Much more agreeable that way. The pretense of "mind wipe" solved many problems arising from those pesky minds of humans.

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