The predictions thread by kpo

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That's quite a list of predictions, oh feline buccaneer. I salute you.

ETA:

Re: 47%-gate:

kpo - "I'm not sure how much further Romney can drive down his own poll numbers... he must be approaching his floor? But this certainly makes his task of making up the ground harder.

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 3:40 AM

Obama will trounce Romney, but it won't be a real world event. It's a staged theater event. Romney isn't trying to win, he's trying to convince people that there is an axis of opposition to Obama that is 97% Obama, whom he works for, and that the other 3% is called "Obama should be more pro-corporate police state than he already is if that's even conceivably possible" a message that Obama wrote because he wants to move in that direction, and wants the republicans to pull him that way. Because Obama is Bush is Clinton, it's all the NWO as Bush Sr. said.

It's the same team, and they're playing you guys like a dogfight. Sorry, just calling it as I see it. There's a reason I avoid FFF on these election year slides. See y'all other side of november, keep it shiny, don't lose any more bagels.

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:00 AM

And, the thread is degrading from predictions to consipiracy theories....great.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:05 AM

Um, no, when I get into conspiracy theory, you'll know, it will have a WARNING:CONSPIRACY THEORY

This is me saying "WTF?" Do you guys really think there is a huge difference between these people who all work together and like they really oppose each other? That would be like saying your spectrum of intellectual pursuits ran from Paris Hilton to Kim Kardashian, who were diametrically opposed axes of the spacetime contiuum. Frankly, it's mindboggling.

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:31 AM

"We'll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false." -- William Casey, Reagan's presidential campaign manager & CIA Director (from first staff meeting in 1981)

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Um, no, when I get into conspiracy theory, you'll know, it will have a WARNING:CONSPIRACY THEORY

This is me saying "WTF?" Do you guys really think there is a huge difference between these people who all work together and like they really oppose each other? That would be like saying your spectrum of intellectual pursuits ran from Paris Hilton to Kim Kardashian, who were diametrically opposed axes of the spacetime contiuum. Frankly, it's mindboggling.

I'm curious as to why the Koch brothers would pledge $400,000,000 of their own money only to one side, if both sides are identical in their beliefs and agenda. Wouldn't splitting the money more likely guarantee an outcome they'd be most happy with? Hell, wouldn't just not spending the money at all have the same outcome? Are you in the habit of spending hundreds of millions of dollars needlessly on something you know won't help you or make any difference in your life whatsoever?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 6:10 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:

This is me saying "WTF?" Do you guys really think there is a huge difference between these people who all work together and like they really oppose each other?

There is a lot of overlap, sure. But yes, I think there is also a great deal of difference. To say they're entirely the same is just incredibly myopic.

And either way, your personal diatribe about how the world works according to DT still isn't the point of the thread. You want to soap-box, start a thread fo your own.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:08 AM

Mike,

Because they're not voting for ideols, they're hiring employees.

Story

Not incredibly, no. They look identical to me. Particularly Romney and Obama, the two most similar candidates I've seen yet. Romney's record in Mass. could have been made by Obama right down to the Obomneycare and the social issues.

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:13 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Not incredibly, no. They look identical to me. Particularly Romney and Obama, the two most similar candidates I've seen yet. Romney's record in Mass. could have been made by Obama right down to the Obomneycare and the social issues.

You must not be listening to what they are saying.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 7:43 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Mike,

Because they're not voting for ideols, they're hiring employees.

These are the people who are arguing for doing away with the minimum wage. Don't you think they're grossly overpaying for a mere "employee" if they're paying him $400,000,000 for a four-year gig?

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:15 AM

Nick

Why would I listen to what they say? What they say has nothing to do with what they do, and it is no different from what their party spokesperson said last time. My party, the democratic party, has been running on a near identical platform revolving around the buzzwords of hope and change since it was introduced by FDR in 1932.

What they say is what the party told them to say. That's designed to split the voters in half so the 1%ers running can clean up the support of the sheeple.

What I care about is what they do. What Obama did in Illinois, what Romney did in Massachusetts, and now what Obama did in his first term. Not that it will make a huge amount of difference as no one could get in without being in the club, and being a 1%er, and president is nowhere near as powerful a position as people think it is.

What worries me more about these two people as individuals is actually outside of either box: It's what Obama did as a neo-malthusian, his vision of constitutional law, and his involvement in the chicago school, the last of which being the main reason I didn't vote for him last time, because I thought he would be an economic disaster. I think I was proven correct. However, my biggest personal worry for me with Romney is what he did at Bain capital which leads me to suspect he would be an even bigger economic disaster. That said, I can't vote for either one: One guy I support 5% and the other one 10% is not enough reason to choose one. It's sort of like choosing which bully should beat you up in the playground after school on the grounds that one of them once gave you his chocolate milk.

Mike,

Actually, everything I just said to Nick first, but adding this:

I think the president's salary is $400k, not $400M, but not directly what I meant. I mean that the Koch brothers invaded Ron Paul's tea party to make it their own because they saw the opportunity to become power brokers and sell policy to corporations. I think it works something like this. Koch bros give $ to Rand Paul to get him elected, and in return, they get to be the channel for the resale of his policy decisions. Then corporations step up and offer more campaign $ and various other fringe benefits (hookers and coke and a little cash on the side) in exchange for policy votes in the company's favor. This system, unfortunately, we're calling "democracy."

ETA: to clarify, by employees i meant people like Rand Paul, or whomever they throw money at, I think you got that part, but I figured other people were reading, might get confusing.

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:30 AM

Don't you already have a "they both SUCK" thread? Stop hijacking this one. It ran for weeks without anyone making it their personal tantrum land.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:41 PM

Story,

You're still a dick. Some things never change.

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 1:55 PM

OONJERAH

I predict this thread will get back on track, predictably serving its purpose.

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 5:05 PM

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I don't mind other conversation in the thread - that's why the predictions are in red. Ideally though (as in any thread) the conversation is not too disconnected from the topic.

HKCavalier says Romney's political career is over.

Niki - "The upcoming debates may make a difference, but given that Obama can attack him on what he said in private, his tax returns, plus his stances on a number of other issues, it doesn't look to rosy to me (for Romney)."

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, September 20, 2012 11:16 PM

FREMDFIRMA

Flag these two as well.

Pensylvania/Sandusky abuses scale wider and deeper than admitted - as I see one of Ambramoffs pimped kids has come forward, dunno the details of that, but he's pointed the finger square at Sandusky, and there's more behind it.

And, well, Mitt the Shit - I think we can cap that one with an I-told-you-so here.

One potentive prediction - the Israel-firsters and the likudnik asshats over there are less than pleased with Obama not hopping to their tune on command and have started throwing in behind Romney since they think he's more gullible and bendable, and when his campaign finally implodes there's a substantial chance that might pry our political crowd an inch or too offa practically fellating the bastards.

-Frem

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Saturday, September 22, 2012 5:04 PM

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M52 - "Unfortunately nearly half the country is still going to vote for Romney and the GOP will still control the House. The GOP is far from being finished off."

Signy - "The REAL problems for the winner... whoever it is ... go far beyond the Democratic/ Republican and center/right domestic dynamic. Economists are thinking there could be an even bigger economic downturn waiting in 2013, which could be precipitated by any number of non-USA events. Greece might still exit the Eurozone, which would drive Spain and Portugal into bankruptcy. The Chinese economy looks like it's coming down for a hard landing because their policy of increasing internal demand and investing in infrastructure hasn't been enough. Brazil is slowing down. Everyone is looking for a market for their goods, because very few are able to buy. There is also the problem global climate shift..."

ETA:

A few more, this first one I agree with and wanted to make myself just before Romney's response to the US Libya Ambassador being killed:

Kevin Drum - "The mudslinging from the Romney campaign is going to get really, really nasty and desperate over the next few weeks."

Kevin Drum - "The smart money is shortly going to start deserting Romney and focusing downballot instead. The conservative base never liked Romney all that much to begin with, and I don't think it will take much for them to abandon him."

Paul Krugman (on Romney) - "although the odds are now against him, this is by no means over."

Paul Krugman - "This still might be a close election thanks to the weakness of the economy, and a better candidate than Romney might have had a better chance of pulling it off. But the long-term fundamentals are not good for Republicans."

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, September 27, 2012 3:58 AM

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98% of MSNBC viewers think Obama will win Ohio:

90% of Fox viewers think Romney will win Ohio:

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Thursday, September 27, 2012 5:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Story,

You're still a dick. Some things never change.

Yes, yes, Im a dick for suggesting you not hijack threads with a tantrum you already had going elsewqhere.

I can live with that.

Meanwhile, you're still a nutter throwing fits.

Note to anyone - Please pity the poor, poor wittle Rappyboy. He's feeling put upon lately, what with all those facts disagreeing with what he believes.

"We will never have the elite, smart people on our side." -- Rick "Frothy" Santorum

"Goram it kid, let's frak this thing and go home! Engage!"

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Thursday, September 27, 2012 2:39 PM

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Niki thinks that voter suppression "could--and maybe WILL--decide this election."

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, October 3, 2012 11:28 AM

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Auraptor - "if the GOP wins ( and they will)..."

Jongstraw (ever pessimistic) - "Another generation or two and there will be no conservatives anymore in America. After Romney loses, there may not be any Republican Party anymore either."

Jongstraw - "I'm expecting this first debate to be won by Obama. The harsh reality for me is that Romney has big trouble thinking on his feet, as he's not very glib. He's also not a great campaigner, and I see no way he can defeat Obama."

ETA:

Cavetroll - "I can't wait to see the comedy when Smilin' Joe Biden gets away from his handlers. I expect Ryan to vigorously apply the crowbar of truth and logic to Biden's head. "

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Thursday, October 4, 2012 2:07 PM

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Storymark - "This will, at best, give Romney a tiny bump in the national polls, that's about it."

Jongstraw (optimism??) - "Based on last night's drubbing of Obama I'm starting to think that Romney might actually have a longshot chance to beat him in November."

Jongstraw - "Just wait until the debate shifts to foreign policy. Imagine how Obama is going to squirm and hold his head down in shame and humiliation over his negligence and culpability for the deadly Libya terrorist attack, as well as the complete failure of his Middle East outreach to Muslims policies..."

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Thursday, October 4, 2012 9:02 PM

JONGSSTRAW

Hey, you're documentation of my ongoing lack of confidence in Republicans is dangerous. Why me anyhow? Plenty of other Cons to quote from. Don't you realize that people know where I live! If I end up dying in a car explosion it will be your fault, and my operatives will have no choice but to seek revenge. And some of them are alternate universe Vulcans. But cerealously, you've been admirably honest in re-stating my quotes and opinions. Thanks.

Hmmm, better than Reuben's.
..One more.
Ben!
..My last one.
Okay.

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Friday, October 5, 2012 7:31 AM

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Hey you're welcome JS, but I try to document every interesting prediction I find, and I try to do so faithfully. Thank you for sticking your neck out and making predictions so often.

CTS, in the 'Iran's currency plummets in value' thread - "We shouldn't gloat, cause our turn is next."

ETA:

Cavetroll reports on $16T of secret bailouts to foreign and US banks by the Fed, and asks "Can Weimar style inflation be far off?"

Cavetroll on the surprise drop in the unemployment rate a month before the election - "I'm sure in a month or so, quietly, on a Friday afternoon, the numbers will be adjusted to their actual point."

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Friday, October 5, 2012 8:11 AM

M52NICKERSON

DALEK!

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
Nick

Why would I listen to what they say? What they say has nothing to do with what they do, and it is no different from what their party spokesperson said last time. My party, the democratic party, has been running on a near identical platform revolving around the buzzwords of hope and change since it was introduced by FDR in 1932.

I'm a member of the party also. As such I would like to remind you where the door is and how to use it if you would like. See the party has been running on many of the same things for a long time. We will continue until those things are accomplished.

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
What they say is what the party told them to say. That's designed to split the voters in half so the 1%ers running can clean up the support of the sheeple.

Yes, because member so both parties always toe the line...oh wait no they don't.

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
What I care about is what they do. What Obama did in Illinois, what Romney did in Massachusetts, and now what Obama did in his first term. Not that it will make a huge amount of difference as no one could get in without being in the club, and being a 1%er, and president is nowhere near as powerful a position as people think it is.

Oh look it is the old "TPTB" cop-out argument. The President of the Unitied States is the most powerful position in the world, bar none. No, the President does not have unlimited or total power but of course that is why they often have to do the things they do. They have to work with Congress.

Quote:
Originally posted by DREAMTROVE:
What worries me more about these two people as individuals is actually outside of either box: It's what Obama did as a neo-malthusian, his vision of constitutional law, and his involvement in the chicago school, the last of which being the main reason I didn't vote for him last time, because I thought he would be an economic disaster. I think I was proven correct. However, my biggest personal worry for me with Romney is what he did at Bain capital which leads me to suspect he would be an even bigger economic disaster. That said, I can't vote for either one: One guy I support 5% and the other one 10% is not enough reason to choose one. It's sort of like choosing which bully should beat you up in the playground after school on the grounds that one of them once gave you his chocolate milk.

The economy tanked before Obama was in office, since than it has bottomed out and started to recover. So, no you where not proven correct in any way shape or form.

I do not fear God, I fear the ignorance of man.

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:21 PM

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Jongstraw on Benghazi-gate:

Quote:
"When Susan Rice, Hillary Clinton, and Jay Carney all get their sorry lying butts hauled in there to testify under oath, this will be Obama's Watergate.

Yesterday I asked questions, today I'll answer them myself....

Is this going to matter at all on Election Day, when the public is so focused on the economy? .....Hard to say now
Will Susan Rice resign? .....Yes
Will Hillary Clinton resign? .....Never
Will The House panel get answers from anyone involved, or will it be another waste of time? .....Already getting startling answers
Will the CBS reporter get fired for her great investigative reporting on this because it hurts Obama?......No
Will this come up during the VP debate Thursday, and if so, what wll Biden say?.....I hope so. Biden will say as little as possible, or just continue the absurd lie that it was due to a you tube video
Will this come up during the 10/22 Presidential debate, and if so, what will Romney accuse Obama of?.....Yes, big time. I'm not sure how Romney will handle it.
How is Obama going to possibly get out of this mess?..... He's not. He can't. It's a potential game changer. "

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:32 PM

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On the upcoming VP debate:

kpo:

Quote:
Call me crazy but I don't think Biden will lose the VP debate - and might even edge it. Reasons why:

* The Obama campaign knows they have to fight back after the first debate
* The job of VP is not very demanding, so Biden will have had better preparation than Obama
* Biden will be willing to get down and dirty and go on the attack and counter-attack, without having to worry about 'appearing presidential'.
* Ryan will struggle to position himself as a centrist as Romney was able to do - he has no moderate history

Jongstraw:

Quote:
"I think Biden will win this debate. I say that because Ryan doesn't have nearly the same aura of likeability as Biden. Ryan's basically a slick numbers wonk, and his oratory is somewhat stilted. He starts in on financial stuff and everyone falls asleep. Biden's going to be fired up...

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Friday, October 19, 2012 11:09 AM

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Predictions on the second debate (better late than never):

kpo - "I think Obama will do better in this debate, and enough to halt Romney's momentum in the polls."

Kwicko - "I predict that no matter what happens, Republicans will claim that Romney won."

HK - "Mitt's momentum is already flagging, and it will continue. Romney will be off his game, the slightest hint of fear returning to in his eyes, because honestly he's terrified of losing. Obama will risk the "angry black man" thing for once. But overall he will be "Mr. Congeniality." Of course it will be ruled a Romney win by the ditto heads because it is simply impossible for Obama to be good at anything in their eyes. Obama win."

HK - "Also, much higher viewership than the first will further hurt Romney in the polls."

Auraptor (on Obama) - "He's all but vowed to be a dick to Romney, but it's an empty threat. Coming off aggressive, and rude, as Biden was to Ryan in the VP debate will backfire in a Town Hall like forum."

Auraptor - "Most likely outcome will be a draw, where either side will claim victory. If there's a repeat of the 1st debate, this race is over. Some ( like Neal Boortz ) go so far as to claim that, if Romney wipes the floor w/ Obama again, there won't even BE a 3rd debate."

Hero - "if Obama gets trounced again, it could be all over but the shouting."

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Friday, October 19, 2012 11:20 AM

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And some fallout:

Mal 4 - "When Obama fucked up the first debate, it gave the Romney-side hope and kept money flowing to the R-presidential ticket. It robbed support from the Congressional races for several critical days.

Now O is back, and the momentum will shift to where it was before the first debate: Romney near dead in the water. But now it's less useful for the superPACs to shift to the down-ticket races."

Mal4 - "Based on policies, I think that this election is a goner, and it's been gone for a while now. Romney is just so damned weak. Why the hell would a party run a 1%-er, when the 1%-ers are the prime scapegoats of the day? Stupid. Just really stupid."

Niki - "I think Romney is on his way to being toast."

Hero - "The biggest weathervane of who won came from the focus groups of undecided voters. In every case those voters shifted dramatically towards Romney. In fact the shift was as pronounced as what occurred in the first debate."

Hero - "I note for the record that Obama is polling in the 45-47% range, yet only 39% thought he won the debate. This does not make for a winning night."

Jongstraw - "Perhaps Axelrod and Plough have taken Obama down a losing path, a road to ruin. Who knows."

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Friday, October 19, 2012 12:37 PM

HKCAVALIER

The above quotes from Hero are neither predictions, nor factual.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, October 19, 2012 1:17 PM

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There's a bit of a prediction at the end of the second quote... They fall into the category of 'statements that it will be interesting to look back on once the election is over and the debates' impact are truly understood'.

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Friday, October 19, 2012 3:28 PM

HKCAVALIER

Fair enough.

HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Friday, October 19, 2012 4:21 PM

Rappy predicts "And this is BEFORE Mitt's 2 terms as President."

He's already called this election and the next one as well!

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Saturday, October 20, 2012 4:27 AM

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Signy - "Obama will keep things on a more-or-less barely tolerable level. But every step Romney takes will be a step closer to economic Armageddon."

Hero (to Story) - "It's worse then you think. The polls are still over sampling democrats. That means the shift is far, far more dire then you think."

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Monday, October 22, 2012 9:36 AM

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Hero asks: "What is his (Obama's) plan for all the Doctors who plan to stop or reduce their practice because of ObamaCare?"

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Wednesday, October 24, 2012 1:51 AM

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Pre 3rd debate predictions:

kpo - "I predict no clear winner in this one."

HK - "Romney's mush-mouthism will be up for discussion in all but the most conservative media. He's in a bind, because all of the right's talking points--Obama is a failure, Obama wants to shut down the Defense Department--simply can't hold up in a two-way conversation. Obama's gonna spike the ball on this one, but the media will continue to strive for "balance" and downplay Obama's obvious command of the stage. In any case, Obama win."

Hero - "Barrack Obama will be cold."

Mal4:

"1. There won't be any sound bite as good as "binders full of women". It's just not possible to top that. Prove me wrong, Mitt. I dare you.

2. There's going to be some serious fireworks of disagreement between Mitt and July Mitt and May Mitt and let's not even talk about the severity of dissonance with February Mitt.

3. Mitt will tell us 20 times how he's going to fix EVERYTHING, but he will never say how he actually plans on doing any of it.

4. Obama will do a lot of braying about his foreign policy successes, but sadly won't do enough calling out of Mitt's failures."

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Wednesday, October 24, 2012 2:02 AM

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Post 3rd debate fallout:

Hero - "In short Romney did not lose, nor did he win...Obama however lost big..."

Jongs - "I don't know how Obama "lost big". I watched the debate, I didn't see that."

Jongs - "I think the current trends and numbers favor Romney to win, but I'm cautious to believe that..."

Niki - ""Will it turn out that etch-a-sketch can really win?" I'm fearful it might. Or that, if it's close, all the various voter-suppression techniques will win it for him. Talk about scared shitless..."

Niki - "We are in for bad times if Romney wins, far worse than we've seen yet. Ironically however, if he and the Repubs did nothing at all, we'd most likely continue on this slow road to recovery and the Repubs would get the credit. If, however, they put in place the policies they've SAID they would, we're in deep shit. And if Romney wins, I fear we can look forward to further involvement in Afghanistan, return to Iraq and another war...or two...or..."

M52Nick, on Obama if he loses the popular vote but wins the election - "Oh boy would the taking heads on the right lose there minds if that happened."

Ezra Klein, same scenario - "The fiscal cliff is going to be an insane mess."

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Monday, October 29, 2012 2:04 PM

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Kevin Drum (of Mother Jones) - "No matter who wins, I predict that on November 7 Republicans will lose all interest in Beghazi."

Josh Jordan (National Review) - "Nate Silver is openly rooting for Obama, and it shows in the way he forecasts the election."

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Friday, November 2, 2012 9:34 AM

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

From the Crystal Ball thread:

WishIMay - "I predict Obummer will win again, solely because the thumbs up thumbs down comment things are almost always in favor of him."

SignY - "I think Romney. Obama looks weak, and Romney is making a lot of promises."

1Kiki - "Given that the numbers are mixed/ close but the Romney side has fired-up intention and energy, I guess I'd go with Romney since they have a better chance of getting out the vote. I also wouldn't rule out voting machine shenanigans."

HK - "Obama wins. A lot of right wingers are fundamentalist Christians and as much as they may tell folk they're "for Romney," when they are alone in the voting booth they won't be able to bring themselves to vote for a satanic cultist. It'll be interesting because there should be a noticeable discrepancy between exit polls saying yea Romney and actual votes counted from folks who couldn't pull for the Mormon. This will fuel a lot of very nasty insinuations from the right and there will be protests and I am here predicting that there will be armed violence coming from the right after the election. I can't tell how bad it's gonna get in general, but in some quarters it's gonna get pretty bad. Not Zombie Apocalypse bad, but overturning cars and setting fires bad and some shootings. There's gonna be an uptick in violent crimes against black people... Obama wins decisively in the EC, and not so decisively if at all in the popular vote. "

Riona - "I predict Obama will win again"

Jo753 - "I predict Obama."

Kwico - "My take? Obama squeaks it out in the electoral college, taking Ohio and Wisconsin, while Romney edges Florida, Virginia, Iowa, and Colorado, but still comes up just shy of the 270 needed."

kpo - "The polls seem to have broke in Obama's favour now - at a good time. Obama to win the electoral college comfortably, and the national vote very slightly. Probably more low, dishonest, dirty tactics from the Romney campaign over the next few days."

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 9:46 AM

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Niall Ferguson (right-wing economist) predicts a november foreign policy 'surprise' from Obama - one-on-one talks with Iran, or giving Israel a green light to attack their nuclear facilities, and so on: "never underestimate the ruthlessness of the Chicago machine that has been the key to Barack Obama’s rise. With his fall suddenly a real possibility, the only thing that would really surprise me would be no October—or November—surprise."

Kevin Drum (Mother Jones): Niall Ferguson is 'soon to be irrelevant'.

David Frum - "we won't reform the congressional GOP by re-electing President Obama. If anything, an Obama re-election will not only aggravate the extremism of the congressional GOP, but also empower them: an Obama re-election raises the odds in favor of big sixth-year sweep for the congressional GOP - and very possibly a seventh-year impeachment."
(This from an article suggesting we should elect the GOP!)

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 10:05 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Jeezus. People are weird. Politicians are even weirder.

I'm finally ready to make my prediction: Obama. I think the "October Surprise" of Sandy will do Romney in. And boy, it got here JUST in time--to make an "October surprise", not for the destruction happening in time to salvage the election for Obama, in case any of our righties were poised to jump on that. Everyone's been talking about an October Surprise for so longer I'm sure we're all sick of it, but who expected something like THIS?!

My fear, also, is that the GOP will go FURTHER right (gawd help us...and THEM!). On the other hand, if Romney won they'd have the power to take the whole COUNTRY further right...and in the opinion of many, all but destroy it! If Obama wins, all they can do is stop the country from healing faster. What a mess...

(Boy, Obama better hurry up if Ferguson's predictions are to come true...he's only got four DAYS to start talks with Iran or let Israel bomb them!)

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 10:22 AM

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

I've just decided, at the end of the year or some other suitable time I'm going to compile a list of 'Top 10 best and Top 10 worst Predictions'. Should be fun, and I can promise you that Niall Ferguson's zany Obama prediction will make one of those lists...

ETA: A commentary on David Frum's 'very odd' endorsement: http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2012/11/frum-gop-will-destroy-am
erica-if-we-reelect-obama-so-we-must-let-gop-win

It's not personal. It's just war.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 10:30 AM

NIKI2

Gettin' old, but still a hippie at heart...

Good article. Frum is out of his mind. Worth clicking on the link to read the rest. But you missed some of the best From Frum. The title is a gas: "The GOP Will Destroy America If We Reelect Obama, So We Must Let the GOP Win" {?!?!?!}

But there are even more giggles in the article itself:

Quote:
First, he figures that Obamacare will survive no matter what, so he'd rather have a Republican in charge of implementing it. {????}

Frum also has a peculiarly hostile reading of Obama's Osawatomie speech from last year, which he thinks is an indication that Obama wants to vastly expand government employment.

That one's funny in and of itself, given the facts:

But then, that cry of "they'll make government BIGGER" is one we're all used to by now...

And I like the author's assessment of Frum's argument about the GOP:

Quote:
No country can survive with this attitude. If congressional Republicans are truly a destructive and irrational force in American politics—and God knows, I agree with Frum about that—the answer is to fight them, not to surrender to them. That way lies madness.

DAMNED straight!

ETA: KPO, please DO...it will be a gas to read, whatever the outcome.

Tit for tat got us where we are today. If we want to be grownups, we need to resist the ugliness. If we each did, this would be a better reflection on Firefly and a more welcome place. I will try.

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Friday, November 2, 2012 2:00 PM

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

OK, we've heard from Frum and Drum, now it's time to hear from Shrum:

Robert Shrum (liberal commentator) - 'R.I.P., Mitt Romney': http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/02/r-i-p-mitt-romney.htm
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Sunday, November 4, 2012 11:05 PM

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

If Obama wins the right-wing knives will come out for Mitt Romney very quickly.

ETA:

6ixStringJack - "Obama is out..."

kpo - "I don't think it's going to come down to Florida."

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Tuesday, November 6, 2012 7:00 PM

Well, it's going to be a busy few days going through this thread to separate the wheat from the chaff...

"I supported Bush in 2000 and 2004 and intellegence [sic] had very little to do with that decision." - Hero

"I was wrong" - Hero, 2012

Mitt Romney, introducing his running mate: "Join me in welcoming the next President of the United States, Paul Ryan!"

Rappy's response? "You're lying, gullible ( believing in some BS you heard on msnbc ) or hard of hearing."

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Tuesday, November 6, 2012 10:33 PM

Sometimes you own the libs. Sometimes, the libs own you.

Should be interesting Kwick. Next thing is to canvass predictions on what Obama re-election means for the country though.

kpo - "I predict we'll see a spike in racist sentiment over coming days and weeks, as racists unravel at the reality of a second Obama term."

Ezra Klein - "The nature of tonight's GOP loss - demographics turning decisively against them - seems certain to trigger an internal war."

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Wednesday, November 7, 2012 4:31 AM