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Saturday, May 28, 2022 7:12 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
What stake do we have in the Russia-Ukraine War?



As far as I got.
Answer: none.

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As far as you can imagine, Russia, the largest country on planet Earth, which keeps threatening to nuke the world if it loses in Ukraine and is internally governed as if it was the novel "1984", is not a problem. Well, aren't you a special child, little Signym?

But then I'm not surprised when Trump supporters I know get killed by problems they can't imagine. For example, the Trump voter next door who was murdered by her 40 year old son couldn't imagine he'd poison her, although it was easy for me to imagine from knowing the Trump voting son. It was no surprise when she left the house in an ambulance. Also no surprise when her other son served 10 years for negligent homicide because he was drunk driving, although none, not one, of the Trump supporters who knew the family could imagine it. Wow! Such a stupid bunch of people all defending, even voting for, Trump. I know 6ix has made some astonishingly stupid personal decisions. I know Signym was astonishing when she publicized her medical story, thinking nobody but the one intended person would read it before she deleted it. Remember, Signym? http://fireflyfans.net/mthread.aspx?bid=18&tid=58882&mid=11475
57#1147557


As you can probably tell, my opinion of Trump voters is highly influenced by what happens to Trump voters when they are NOT voting. The same brain that picked Trump, and decides Russia invading Ukraine is not a problem for the US, is the brain that runs the rest of their lives so poorly. Can that brain know they are doing poorly because of their lack of imagination and their poor decisions? No. Instead it blames the Democrats.

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Saturday, May 28, 2022 7:45 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

SECOND:
What stake do we have in the Russia-Ukraine War?

SIGNY: As far as I got.
Answer: none.

SECOND: As far as you can imagine, Russia, the [physically]
largest country on planet Earth, which keeps threatening to nuke the world if it loses in Ukraine and is internally governed as if it was the novel "1984", is not a problem.



a) It doesn't matter how big Russia is, physically. Most of it is frozen tundra. Makes as much sense as saying Antarctica is a threat because it's big.

Unless you're lusting after reources. Are you? You've mentioned that more than once.

b) Clearly, you haven't read "1984" or you would have recognized more than a passing resemblance to the USA, which is a OUR problem. If Russia truly is ruled as you say it is, that is a problem for RUSSIANS, not for me. Or you.

AFA Russia threatening with nukes... aside from the fact that there is only one nation on the whole planet that actually USED nukes in war (not Russia)... well, that problem isn't exactly going to be resolved by going to war with Russia, or attempting to regime-change, is it?

So far, you haven't posted one solid reason why we should intervene in that shithole of a country (Ukraine). It is poor BECAUSE it's corrupt. Studies show that corruption begets poverty, and considering how corrupt the USA is, it will be the death-knell of the USA. Maybe we better get working on OUR problems. Right?

*****

All that hyperbolic language, that's what got you into Vietnam, wasn't it?
And you ... what? Want to have other Americans experience the same kind of worthless destructive war that you did? You think it "builds character" or something?

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Saturday, May 28, 2022 10:53 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
What stake do we have in the Russia-Ukraine War?



As far as I got.
Answer: none.

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That about sums up how far I make it into Second's walls of gibberish these days.



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Saturday, May 28, 2022 3:03 PM

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That about sums up how far I make it into Second's walls of gibberish these days.

This happened 5 minutes ago: Trump voter and super fat lady across the street was carrying her baby on her left arm and had a cigarette in her right hand. She dropped the baby in the street. She won't remember next month what she did wrong, but the damage to the baby is real. The kind of people who vote for Trump, at least in Texas, don't understand what they have done wrong. By the way, super fat lady is opposed to Ukraine for, per usual, super stupid reasons. It is wonderful to be a Trump voter. They never know doubt that they are the smartest, wisest, most important people in America, but are being held down by those nasty Democrats and all the money they spend on Ukrainians when the money could be better spent on angry poor white trash.

Fat lady didn't waste that cigarette. She placed it between her lips, then picked up her squalling child from the pavement. That's a Trump loving mother!

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Saturday, May 28, 2022 4:07 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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Originally posted by second:
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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

That about sums up how far I make it into Second's walls of gibberish these days.

This happened 5 minutes ago: Trump voter and super fat lady across the street was carrying her baby on her left arm and had a cigarette in her right hand. She dropped the baby in the street. She won't remember next month what she did wrong, but the damage to the baby is real.



That's hilarious!

Did she have a Trump/Pence bumper sticker on her fat ass, or was it on her forehead?


Sounds like your neighbors are as useless as you and your entire family are.

I'm starting to think that everybody in Texas must be a real piece of shit.

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Sunday, May 29, 2022 3:17 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:

walls of gibberish
And SECOND followed that wall of gibberish with a wall of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

I think it's all mixed up in his mind.

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Monday, May 30, 2022 6:16 AM

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Quote:

walls of gibberish
And SECOND followed that wall of gibberish with a wall of Trump Derangement Syndrome.

I think it's all mixed up in his mind.

You write beautifully, but you're not beautiful.

Three possible futures for a frozen conflict in Ukraine

By late 2023, Western consensus is fraying. Concerned by economic costs, Ukrainian suffering, refugee burdens, and fears of escalation (including the risk of a nuclear attack by Russia), Germany and France lead a multinational effort to press Kyiv to exploring a peace arrangement with Moscow.

In none of the scenarios does the war end in less than a year. In all cases, the economic damage will be profound not just for Ukraine, but also for the rest of the world. Don't forget, this war was Putin's decision and completely unnecessary.

More at https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/new-atlanticist/three-possible-f
utures-for-a-frozen-conflict-in-ukraine
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Monday, May 30, 2022 7:32 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


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In none of the scenarios does the war end in less than a year. In all cases, the economic damage will be profound not just for Ukraine, but also for the rest of the world. Don't forget, this war was asshole Joe Biden*'s doing and completely unnecessary.



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Monday, May 30, 2022 11:27 AM

THG


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Originally posted by SignyM:
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Originally posted by SECOND: blah blah blah...



Just so you know SECOND: I haven't read any of your recent pos






Aw shucks, here is another post you can ignore. Europe and the United States are going to build back a modern Ukraine. New schools, hospitals, cultural centers, army, you name it. It's called a Marshal Plan.

No such luck for Russia comrade. Can_you_see_me_laughing?

T



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Monday, May 30, 2022 2:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


That's terrible news for Ukranians.

They certainly should handle building their own border walls and not rely on America to handle that part.

Come to think of it, they should also rely on anybody but America to handle their public schools, their hospitals, their cultural centers and their army too.


But at least you spelled Marshal right, Ted. Second, who was in the military, couldn't spell Marshal the other day.

You've been upgraded to 2nd stupidest person in the RWED.

Congratulations.

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Monday, May 30, 2022 3:33 PM

SIGNYM

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Quote:


Originally posted by SECOND: blah blah blah...

SIGNY: Just so you know SECOND: I haven't read any of your recent pos

THUGR: Aw shucks, here is another post you can ignore. Europe and the United States are going to build back a modern Ukraine. New schools, hospitals, cultural centers, army, you name it. It's called a Marshal Plan.

No such luck for Russia comrade. Can_you_see_me_laughing?

Really? We're going to spend billions on rebuilding Ukraine when OUR schools, roads, bridges, and power grids desperately need repair??

So Russia destroys it and we take responsibility?
Trust me, son, if that's what we do then the entire Russian Security Council will be smiling.



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Monday, May 30, 2022 4:21 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Well... Technically speaking, the US did destroy Ukraine.

But CNN and MSNBC aren't going to tell you that.



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Tuesday, May 31, 2022 8:08 AM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Really? We're going to spend billions on rebuilding Ukraine when OUR schools, roads, bridges, and power grids desperately need repair??

So Russia destroys it and we take responsibility?
Trust me, son, if that's what we do then the entire Russian Security Council will be smiling.

Signym, the money for American "schools, roads, bridges, and power grids desperately need repair" has already been passed and you failed to notice.

200 House Republicans vote against rebuilding America's infrastructure

November 6, 2021 11:47 AM

The House passed the $1.2 trillion package, which would fund improvements to the country's roads, bridges, and other infrastructure, late Friday night, sending it to President Joe Biden's desk for his signature.

The House of Representatives passed the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act on Friday night by a vote of 228-206, two months after the Senate approved the bill on a bipartisan vote.

A total of 200 Republicans voted against the bipartisan $550 billion infrastructure investment package, along with six progressive Democrats, the latter of whom felt the deal did not go far enough.

https://americanindependent.com/house-representatives-republicans-infr
astructure-investment-jobs-act-joe-biden-vote
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Signym, when it comes time to vote on money for Ukraine, the same 200 Republicans who voted against money for America will vote against Ukraine. Maybe it won't pass if more than 200 Republicans are opposed. What country are you living in, Signym, that you don't know when Republicans are opposed to "rebuilding OUR schools, roads, bridges, and power grids desperately need repair??" Possibly you don't know that Republicans are responsible for what they do because the stories they tell about themselves are not truth.


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Tuesday, May 31, 2022 8:56 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Quote:


Originally posted by SECOND: blah blah blah...

SIGNY: Just so you know SECOND: I haven't read any of your recent pos

THUGR: Aw shucks, here is another post you can ignore. Europe and the United States are going to build back a modern Ukraine. New schools, hospitals, cultural centers, army, you name it. It's called a Marshal Plan.

No such luck for Russia comrade. Can_you_see_me_laughing?


Really? We're going to spend billions on rebuilding Ukraine when OUR schools, roads, bridges, and power grids desperately need repair??

So Russia destroys it and we take responsibility?
Trust me, son, if that's what we do then the entire Russian Security Council will be smiling.






No, you have it wrong comrade. Russia will pay to rebuild Ukraine. American and Europe will help while forcing Russia to ante up. We are and have been, freezing their assets worldwide. That money is already in our banks stupid. I think the Russian Security Council won’t be smiling for at least a generation. And hey, I told you so.

Can_you_see_me_laughing?

T



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Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:05 AM

THG



Hey comrade signym. Did covid get polish Russian collaborator kiki? Her disappearance was instant. Wouldn't that be a shame, not!

T



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Tuesday, May 31, 2022 9:53 AM

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Originally posted by THG:

Hey comrade signym. Did covid get polish Russian collaborator kiki? Her disappearance was instant. Wouldn't that be a shame, not!

T



1kiki hasn't posted since Feb 11th. Probably covid didn't stop 1kiki since 1kiki was not anti-vaccination, just anti-Ukraine.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthreaduser.aspx?u=41207

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Tuesday, May 31, 2022 12:14 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:


Originally posted by SECOND: blah blah blah...

SIGNY: Just so you know SECOND: I haven't read any of your recent pos

THUGR: Aw shucks, here is another post you can ignore. Europe and the United States are going to build back a modern Ukraine. New schools, hospitals, cultural centers, army, you name it. It's called a Marshal Plan.

No such luck for Russia comrade. Can_you_see_me_laughing?
Really? We're going to spend billions on rebuilding Ukraine when OUR schools, roads, bridges, and power grids desperately need repair??

SIGNY: So Russia destroys it and we take responsibility?
Trust me, son, if that's what we do then the entire Russian Security Council will be smiling.

THUGR: No, you have it wrong comrade. Russia will pay to rebuild Ukraine. American and Europe will help while forcing Russia to ante up. We are and have been, freezing their assets worldwide. That money is already in our banks stupid. I think the Russian Security Council won’t be smiling for at least a generation. And hey, I told you so.

So, now we're thieves? We steal other nations' money (agaist interntiona law) that's in our banks?

Yeah, THAT'LL do our banks' reputations a lot of good!
Not.

No, we do not have Russia's money in our banks. We have SOME of their money in our banks. And it's apparently not as much as "we" thought. "We" thought it was $350 billion. An actual count has the money at about $100billion. It's a lot, but not enough to rebuild Ukraine.

You can bet that whatever money Russia is currently making on selling gas and oil to the west is NOT going into western banks.

Nah. ASSUMING that Russia just doesn't take over all of Ukraine (I wouldn't, but then, I'm not on their Security Council) the west is going to get stuck with that tar baby.

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THUGR: Can_you_see_me_laughing?

Yeah, I can picture it so clearly. And it's not a pretty picture!


THUGR, you seem to think that recognizing reality and criticizing the USA is somehow wrong. But, yanno, you can't fix problems that need to be fixed unless you recognize that they exist. You seem to need to keep latching onto one fantasy after another to maintain denial. Seriously dood, I hope you live your life better than you think about politics.

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Tuesday, May 31, 2022 12:36 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by THG:

Hey comrade signym. Did covid get polish Russian collaborator kiki? Her disappearance was instant. Wouldn't that be a shame, not!

T



1kiki hasn't posted since Feb 11th. Probably covid didn't stop 1kiki since 1kiki was not anti-vaccination, just anti-Ukraine.
http://fireflyfans.net/mthreaduser.aspx?u=41207

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She had issues. And being vaccinated is no guaranty. Also, her absence was very abrupt.

T



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Tuesday, May 31, 2022 7:25 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


The two of you chucklefucks would love if Kiki died. Because you're both garbage human beings.

Her and I got into more personal arguments than either of us would ever have wasted on scum like the two of you and I've been worried about her.



Hope you're alright, Kiki. I'll make it a point to forget about all of our arguments. At this point, 90% of the fucking country already forgot about Covid anyhow, just like I said they would. So why hold any grudges about that.

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Tuesday, May 31, 2022 7:28 PM

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Ukraine Fires Own Human Rights Chief For Perpetuating Russian Troop 'Systematic Rape' Stories


For over the past two months, an avalanche of stories have hit Western mainstream press which purported to document instances of mass rape carried out by Russian troops against Ukrainian civilians. One particular story in Time took off, driving outrage and condemnation by Western officials and receiving repeat coverage on CNN and other major US networks.

It alleged "a systemic, coordinated campaign of sexual violence" - relying chiefly on testimony gathered by Ukraine's appointed top human rights representative. It included a particularly shocking story of 25 teenage girls being gang-raped by Russian troops - nine of which became pregnant. According to the report:

Ukraine’s human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova said that 25 teenage girls were kept in a basement in Bucha and gang-raped; nine of them are now pregnant. Elderly women spoke on camera about being raped by Russian soldiers. The bodies of children were found naked with their hands tied behind their backs, their genitals mutilated. Those victims included both girls and boys...

Ukrainians are speaking up about rape as a war crime to ensure the world holds Russia accountablehttps://t.co/tEilTSgmbS
— TIME (@TIME) April 24, 2022

As has been the pattern in prior wars, whether in Syria or Libya, the media claims got more and more sensational and over-the-top as the conflict intensified, and as Western powers became more deeply involved, yet with no concrete or definitive proof.

But one consistent detail in the majority of the stories is that the aforementioned Ukraine human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova, is often the central figure feeding Western correspondents the shocking rape stories.

For example, she's featured in this April Newsweek piece:

Lyudmila Denisova, the Ukrainian Parliament's Commissioner for Human Rights, alleged on Friday that Russian soldiers have raped children during the ongoing invasion of Ukraine.

In a Facebook post, Denisova alleged that an 11-year-old boy was raped by Russians in front of his mother who was tied to a chair and forced to watch as it happened in the Ukrainian city of Bucha.

Lyudmyla Denisova, Ukrainian government image

Many such stories which presented ever-more horrifying details as the war progressed quickly went viral, particularly among pro-Ukraine activists on Twitter and other social media, to the point where prominent pundits would begin casually agreeing amongst themself that Russians simply are "animals".

And below is another example among many, which tended to be based on "reports say" for many of the most central, damning claims...

But recently, within the last couple of weeks, as investigators began to dig deeper into the allegations, it seems the media stories started to dry up. The geopolitical analysis blog Moon of Alabama details what happened in the following:

However, a bunch of eager NGOs in Ukraine, hoping for fresh 'western' money for new 'rape consultation and recovery' projects, tried to find real rape cases. They were disappointed when they found that there was no evidence that any rape had taken place

(machine translation):
On May 25, a number of media outlets and NGOs published an open appeal to Lyudmila Denisova calling for improved communication on sexual crimes during the war.

The signatories insist that Denisova should disclose only information about which there is sufficient evidence, avoid sensationalism and excessive detail in their reports, use correct terminology and take care of the confidentiality and safety of victims.

"Sexual crimes during the war are family tragedies, a difficult traumatic topic, not a topic for publications in the spirit of the 'scandalous chronicle.' We need to keep in mind the goal: to draw attention to the facts of crimes," the appeal reads.

An entire global activist movement even sprang up which focused on highlighting Russian sexual crimes in Ukraine, based on the premise that Russia's military is using "rape as a tool" as part of its arsenal to spread a campaign of terror...

The woman also shouted 'Don't rape us!' as the security encircled her quickly to take her off the red carpet. The incident again brought to light the Ukraine crisis at #Cannes. https://t.co/Ghs9UCKC7q
— WION (@WIONews) May 21, 2022

And now on Tuesday, Interfax, Politico, The Wall Street Journal, and others are reporting that Lyudmyla Denisova has been fired - precisely for floating and perpetuating fantastical claims of mass rape but without providing evidence...

Ukraine's parliament just fired human rights ombudsman Lyudmila Denisova. MPs claimed her work focusing on the rape of Ukrainians by Russian troops which "couldn't be confirmed with evidence [...] only harmed Ukraine and distracted the global media from Ukraine's real needs."
— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) May 31, 2022

"Ukrainian lawmakers dismissed the country’s ombudsman for human rights, Lyudmyla Denisova, in a no-confidence vote on Tuesday, concluding that she had failed to fulfill obligations including the facilitation of humanitarian corridors and countering the deportation of Ukrainians from occupied territory," The Wall Street Journal reported late in the day.

"Lawmaker Pavlo Frolov said Ms. Denisova was also accused of making insensitive and unverifiable statements about alleged Russian sex crimes and spending too much time in Western Europe during the invasion," the report added.

Frolov said in a Facebook post announcing her dismissal as the country's top human rights investigator:

"The unclear focus of the Ombudsman's media work on the numerous details of ‘sexual crimes committed in an unnatural way’ and ‘rape of children’ in the occupied territories that could not be confirmed by evidence, only harmed Ukraine."

Such accusations of mass rape by the enemy de jour are made in every war (Libya, Syria) . They rarely turn out to be true. https://t.co/bF0NVhQiFl https://t.co/i4rE2LMZMV
— Moon of Alabama (@MoonofA) April 21, 2022



MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-fires-human-rights-chie
f-perpetuating-russian-troop-systematic-rape-stories


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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 6:41 AM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
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Ukraine Fires Own Human Rights Chief For Perpetuating Russian Troop 'Systematic Rape' Stories


For over the past two months, an avalanche of stories have hit Western mainstream press which purported to document instances of mass rape carried out by Russian troops against Ukrainian civilians. One particular story in Time took off, driving outrage and condemnation by Western officials and receiving repeat coverage on CNN and other major US networks.

It alleged "a systemic, coordinated campaign of sexual violence" - relying chiefly on testimony gathered by Ukraine's appointed top human rights representative. It included a particularly shocking story of 25 teenage girls being gang-raped by Russian troops - nine of which became pregnant. According to the report:

Ukraine’s human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova said that 25 teenage girls were kept in a basement in Bucha and gang-raped; nine of them are now pregnant. Elderly women spoke on camera about being raped by Russian soldiers. The bodies of children were found naked with their hands tied behind their backs, their genitals mutilated. Those victims included both girls and boys...

Ukrainians are speaking up about rape as a war crime to ensure the world holds Russia accountablehttps://t.co/tEilTSgmbS
— TIME (@TIME) April 24, 2022

As has been the pattern in prior wars, whether in Syria or Libya, the media claims got more and more sensational and over-the-top as the conflict intensified, and as Western powers became more deeply involved, yet with no concrete or definitive proof.

But one consistent detail in the majority of the stories is that the aforementioned Ukraine human rights ombudsman, Lyudmyla Denisova, is often the central figure feeding Western correspondents the shocking rape stories.

For example, she's featured in this April Newsweek piece:

Lyudmila Denisova, the Ukrainian Parliament's Commissioner for Human Rights, alleged on Friday that Russian soldiers have raped children during the ongoing invasion of Ukraine.

In a Facebook post, Denisova alleged that an 11-year-old boy was raped by Russians in front of his mother who was tied to a chair and forced to watch as it happened in the Ukrainian city of Bucha.

Lyudmyla Denisova, Ukrainian government image

Many such stories which presented ever-more horrifying details as the war progressed quickly went viral, particularly among pro-Ukraine activists on Twitter and other social media, to the point where prominent pundits would begin casually agreeing amongst themself that Russians simply are "animals".

And below is another example among many, which tended to be based on "reports say" for many of the most central, damning claims...

But recently, within the last couple of weeks, as investigators began to dig deeper into the allegations, it seems the media stories started to dry up. The geopolitical analysis blog Moon of Alabama details what happened in the following:

However, a bunch of eager NGOs in Ukraine, hoping for fresh 'western' money for new 'rape consultation and recovery' projects, tried to find real rape cases. They were disappointed when they found that there was no evidence that any rape had taken place

(machine translation):
On May 25, a number of media outlets and NGOs published an open appeal to Lyudmila Denisova calling for improved communication on sexual crimes during the war.

The signatories insist that Denisova should disclose only information about which there is sufficient evidence, avoid sensationalism and excessive detail in their reports, use correct terminology and take care of the confidentiality and safety of victims.

"Sexual crimes during the war are family tragedies, a difficult traumatic topic, not a topic for publications in the spirit of the 'scandalous chronicle.' We need to keep in mind the goal: to draw attention to the facts of crimes," the appeal reads.

An entire global activist movement even sprang up which focused on highlighting Russian sexual crimes in Ukraine, based on the premise that Russia's military is using "rape as a tool" as part of its arsenal to spread a campaign of terror...

The woman also shouted 'Don't rape us!' as the security encircled her quickly to take her off the red carpet. The incident again brought to light the Ukraine crisis at #Cannes. https://t.co/Ghs9UCKC7q
— WION (@WIONews) May 21, 2022

And now on Tuesday, Interfax, Politico, The Wall Street Journal, and others are reporting that Lyudmyla Denisova has been fired - precisely for floating and perpetuating fantastical claims of mass rape but without providing evidence...

Ukraine's parliament just fired human rights ombudsman Lyudmila Denisova. MPs claimed her work focusing on the rape of Ukrainians by Russian troops which "couldn't be confirmed with evidence [...] only harmed Ukraine and distracted the global media from Ukraine's real needs."
— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) May 31, 2022

"Ukrainian lawmakers dismissed the country’s ombudsman for human rights, Lyudmyla Denisova, in a no-confidence vote on Tuesday, concluding that she had failed to fulfill obligations including the facilitation of humanitarian corridors and countering the deportation of Ukrainians from occupied territory," The Wall Street Journal reported late in the day.

"Lawmaker Pavlo Frolov said Ms. Denisova was also accused of making insensitive and unverifiable statements about alleged Russian sex crimes and spending too much time in Western Europe during the invasion," the report added.

Frolov said in a Facebook post announcing her dismissal as the country's top human rights investigator:

"The unclear focus of the Ombudsman's media work on the numerous details of ‘sexual crimes committed in an unnatural way’ and ‘rape of children’ in the occupied territories that could not be confirmed by evidence, only harmed Ukraine."

Such accusations of mass rape by the enemy de jour are made in every war (Libya, Syria) . They rarely turn out to be true. https://t.co/bF0NVhQiFl https://t.co/i4rE2LMZMV
— Moon of Alabama (@MoonofA) April 21, 2022



MORE AT https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ukraine-fires-human-rights-chie
f-perpetuating-russian-troop-systematic-rape-stories


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Quote:

Originally posted by THGRRI:
I think this needs its own thread. SIG pulls most of her information that she posts here from this blog and stupidly defends it as a reputable source. As she continues to do so I will regenerate this thread to remind all it is a corrupted blog designed to create havoc rather than informing.

Below are the names of those behind zero hedge. Don't miss what I've highlighted in red below. This folks is why comrade troll SIG loves to quote zero hedge.




In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”



All of this matches SIG's playbook here and Putin's globally; exactly.


The men behind zero hedge

Colin Lokey, a 32-year-old former Seeking Alpha director

Daniel Ivandjiiski, a 37-year-old Bulgarian-born former hedge fund employee who was barred for insider trading in 2008

Tim Backshall, a 45-year-old credit derivatives strategist
Despite its populist tone, Lokey told Bloomberg he recently left Zero Hedge because he didn’t see eye-to-eye with the others when it came to editorial vision.

“Zero Hedge ceased to serve that public service years ago,” Lokey said. “They care what generates page views. Clicks. Money.”

In addition, Lokey said he faced constant pressure to frame stories in-line with a particular world-view, which he described as “Russia=good. Obama=idiot. Bashar al-Assad=benevolent leader. John Kerry=dunce. Vladmir Putin=greatest leader in the history of statecraft.”

Lokey claims Zero Hedge’s focus on traffic and revenue is hypocritical, but Ivandjiiski sees things differently.

Finally, Zero Hedge addressed the accusations of systematic bias in its content.

“We are certainly ok with being the object of other’s conspiracy theories, in this case completely false ones since we have never been in contact with anyone in Russia, or the US, or any government for that matter,” Zero Hedge says.

The site claims it has never accepted a dime of funding outside of advertising revenue and that Lokey was never pressured about how to frame his articles or editorialized.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zero-hedge-unmasked-theres-more-1427301
65.html

According to the Bloomberg article, three men have been churning out all of the content at Zero Hedge, using the joint pseudonym “Tyler Durden” from the Brad Pitt film “Fight Club.” The 1999 cult film, according to Rolling Stone, is “about being young, male and powerless against the pacifying drug of consumerism. It’s about solitude, despair and bottled-up rage.” That ethos is frequently on display at Zero Hedge.

The three “Tyler Durdens” outed by Bloomberg reporters are Colin Lokey, who has now left Zero Hedge in a fit of pique and is responsible for handing over the internal chat sessions from Zero Hedge on traffic-building strategies and other matters. Bloomberg says “the other two men are Daniel Ivandjiiski, 37, the Bulgarian-born former analyst long reputed to be behind the site, and Tim Backshall, 45, a well-known credit derivatives strategist.”

The article notes that “Ivandjiiski has a multimillion-dollar mansion in Mahwah, N.J., and Backshall lives in a plush San Francisco suburb,” suggesting these are “not exactly reflections” of the anti-capitalism reflected in the moniker “Tyler Durden.”







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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 7:04 AM

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Ted. You are the single dumbest person I've ever had the displeasure of knowing.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 7:23 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So, now we're thieves? We steal other nations' money (agaist interntiona law) that's in our banks?

Yeah, THAT'LL do our banks' reputations a lot of good!
Not.

No, we do not have Russia's money in our banks. We have SOME of their money in our banks. And it's apparently not as much as "we" thought. "We" thought it was $350 billion. An actual count has the money at about $100billion. It's a lot, but not enough to rebuild Ukraine.

You can bet that whatever money Russia is currently making on selling gas and oil to the west is NOT going into western banks.

Nah. ASSUMING that Russia just doesn't take over all of Ukraine (I wouldn't, but then, I'm not on their Security Council) the west is going to get stuck with that tar baby.

Signym why do you not know that CONFISCATION OF PROPERTY has occurred in the United States during wartime ever since the revolutionary war?

As a means of financing hostilities against England, the Continental Congress declared in 1776 that the property of Loyalists was subject to seizure. By the end of 1781, every state had passed a confiscation act, and Loyalists had lost property worth millions of pounds. Article V of the Definitive Treaty of Peace (1783) provided that Congress would urge the states to compensate former owners whose property had been seized, but only South Carolina responded to this plea. With the United States itself refusing to provide compensation, the British Parliament ultimately indemnified a large number of Loyalists in an amount exceeding £3 million.

During the Civil War, both the North and the South confiscated property. The Confederacy's scheme, adopted in 1861, required all northern debts to be paid to the government in return for bonds. Designed essentially to produce revenue, it was not successful. The North's use of confiscation, culminating in the Emancipation Proclamation, effective 1 January 1863, was directed primarily toward the liberation of slaves. The slaveholders' losses incurred because of freed slaves has been estimated at $2 billion. The total value of confiscated nonhuman property, though greater in the South than in the North, was not large by modern standards, and some property was returned after the war.

World War I and World War II witnessed a revival of property seizure as an instrument of policy. Departing from its general policy of not disturbing alien-owned property in time of war, Congress enacted the Trading with the Enemy Act on 6 October 1917. This statute created the Office of Alien Property Custodian, which took over and operated in trust about $700 million of enemy-owned or enemy-controlled property. After the war, Congress decided to return most of this property, and in 1935 the office was abolished. Under the above statutory scheme, property had not actually been confiscated but merely "frozen" for return or other use upon termination of hostilities.

A similar approach was taken during World War II, when Congress amended the original Trading with the Enemy Act and reestablished the Office of the Alien Property Custodian. Enemy property worth millions of dollars was frozen once again. After the war, Congress enacted the War Claims acts of 1948 and 1962, under which German and Japanese property held in trust by the United States was vested and used to satisfy in part the war claims of U.S. citizens. Using the former enemy property in this fashion did not constitute confiscation, since it was done pursuant to the Potsdam Agreement of 1945 and the Paris Reparation Agreement of 1946, with respect to Germany, and pursuant to the Treaty of Peace of 8 September 1951, with respect to Japan.

More at https://www.encyclopedia.com/history/dictionaries-thesauruses-pictures
-and-press-releases/confiscation-property


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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 7:46 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Have fun cheerleading your war idiots.

The rest of us have shit to do today.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 9:00 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

YouTube video: Mariupol is BACK !!!!!
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The first half dozen comments on YouTube (translated from Russian by google https://tinyurl.com/ykpv63jv ):

1. Finally comes to life! The heart rejoices! All the days of the bombing, I was mentally with Mariupol and constantly cried. Now there is reason to rejoice! Will live!

2. Grisha, how wonderful that you are in Mariupol now. Please, more videos about the life of the inhabitants of Mariupol and in general in the city. Take a video and show everything. It is very important.

3. Laundry is being dried. Like a victory flag. For if people again care about cleanliness, then they hope that the worst is already behind them. If you started washing, then water has returned, and water is life! Life is clean!
More of these flags on the houses of Mariupol!

4. Salute to Russian soldiers who gave their lives for the liberation and restoration of peace in Mariupol. God bless their families.

5. Hi Grigory, thanks for the video, it's very good that you show that life in Mariupol is getting better!

6. I really want people to move into renovated or new houses as soon as possible. Let Mariupol be reborn like a phoenix and become better than it was

Signym, the disinformation machine (directed at Russians) is working overtime to produce "comments".

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:49 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Have fun cheerleading your war idiots.

The rest of us have shit to do today.

6ix, you are unmarried, unemployed and have no responsibilities. You have no pets, no children, no hobbies, no church, no clubs, no garden, nothing. What you do with your 24/7 free time neither subracts nor adds value to the world and we all know it. Not even your comments have a value other than zero. Being weightless has gotten to be habitual with you. Meanwhile --

Kremlin says US "adds fuel to fire" by supplying weapons to Kyiv

The US is "adding fuel to the fire" by supplying weapons to Kyiv, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said Wednesday in response to President Joe Biden’s decision to provide more advanced missile systems to Ukraine.

"We believe that the United States is purposefully and diligently adding fuel to the fire," Peskov told reporters on a regular conference call.

The Ukrainian authorities have long asked the United States to supply high-tech, medium-range rocket systems. Biden said Tuesday the US is providing Ukraine "more advanced rocket systems and munitions" as its war with Russia grinds on.

"Such supplies do not contribute to the Ukrainian leadership’s willingness to resume peace negotiations,” Peskov said.

Peskov also added the Kremlin does not trust Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky's words that Kyiv would not use multiple launch rocket systems to attack the Russian territory if they receive them from the US. So Russians are calling Ukrainians liars. But Russians call everybody liars. Such odd behavior from Russians.

https://www.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-01-22/
h_af765d6f84c2e6bcb8830a536c2f08b5


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Germany will send its "most modern air defense system," the IRIS-T, to Ukraine, the country's chancellor said Wednesday.

"In the coming weeks, we will supply further weapons, for example, the German government has recently decided that we will supply the IRIS-T system, the most modern air defense system that Germany has," Olaf Scholz said during a speech in the German Parliament.

"This will enable Ukraine to protect an entire city from Russian air attacks," he said.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/6/1/germany-to-send-kyiv-anti-airc
raft-missiles-radar-systems


IRIS-T
https://pafsymposium.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/DIEHL__brochure_co
mpressed.pdf

IRIS-T SLS Mk III Wide range of targets:
Fighter aircraft
Attack helicopters
Anti-radiation missiles (ARMs)
Cruise Missiles
Guided bombs
Drones
Large caliber rockets

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 12:50 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

YouTube video: Mariupol is BACK !!!!!
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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake Signym


The first half dozen comments on YouTube (translated from Russian by google https://tinyurl.com/ykpv63jv ):

1. Finally comes to life! The heart rejoices! All the days of the bombing, I was mentally with Mariupol and constantly cried. Now there is reason to rejoice! Will live!

2. Grisha, how wonderful that you are in Mariupol now. Please, more videos about the life of the inhabitants of Mariupol and in general in the city. Take a video and show everything. It is very important.

3. Laundry is being dried. Like a victory flag. For if people again care about cleanliness, then they hope that the worst is already behind them. If you started washing, then water has returned, and water is life! Life is clean!
More of these flags on the houses of Mariupol!

4. Salute to Russian soldiers who gave their lives for the liberation and restoration of peace in Mariupol. God bless their families.

5. Hi Grigory, thanks for the video, it's very good that you show that life in Mariupol is getting better!

6. I really want people to move into renovated or new houses as soon as possible. Let Mariupol be reborn like a phoenix and become better than it was

Signym, the disinformation machine (directed at Russians) is working overtime to produce "comments".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

There are on-the-street videos with interviews by Patrick Lancaster https ://m.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos which show that the people of Mariupol did NOT support the Kiev Army. One person said "We voted for secession and got something else". Mariupol was an occupied city... occupied by Kiev.
Look them up.

Odessa is similar. People there remember the Trades Union building fire, where Nazis burned a number of people to death. They still lay flowers at the site.

Crimeans are, by and large, pretty happy with their being part of Russia, despite the fact that Kiev shut off the water supply (a war crime) years ago.

And don't forget that part of the fighting force in Ukraine is from the Donetsk People's Republic and and Lugansk People's Republic.

As I posted in 2014 there was a substantial minority ... roughly 30%... of the population in Ukraine that did NOT support the coup. Kiev (supported by pro-Nazi security forces) made the division worse by attempting to outlaw Russian (which the minority spoke), beating up Russian-speaking people, and then warring against eastern Ukraine, shelling civilian centers since 2015.

Many - altho certainly not all - see Russia as a liberator, not an occupier. Kiev, in conjunction with the USA, created this split when there didn't need to be one. I suspect Russia's aim will be to take eastern and southern Ukraine ... where the people see them as liberators... and force the rest of Ukraine to surrender by beating them to bloody pulp.

AFA advanced weapons coming into Ukraine ... well, they have to come in from SOMEWHERE. Most likely Poland. If Poland isn't careful it, too, will be targeted with hypersonic missiles. Certainly the Ukraine-Polish border will be targeted. Biden* says he's not looking for a direct Russia-NATO conflict, but he's doing everything to ensure that it happens.

I'm sure Russia's missile-factories are working 24/7 to build up stockpiles and they're preparing for just such a scenario.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:07 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

There are on-the-street videos with interviews by Patrick Sullivan which show that the people of Mariupol did NOT support the Kiev Army. One person said "We voted for secession and got something else". Mariupol was an occupied city... occupied by Kiev.
Look them up.

Odessa is similar. People there remember the Trades Union building fire, where Nazis burned a number of people to death. They still lay flowers at the site.

Crimeans are, by and large, pretty happy with their being part of Russia, despite the fact that Kiev shut off the water supply (a war crime) years ago.

And don't forget that part of the fighting force in Ukraine is from the Donetsk People's Republic and and Lugansk People's Republic.

As I posted in 2014 there was a substantial minority ... roughly 30%... of the population in Ukraine that did NOT support the coup. Kiev made the situation even worse by attempting to outlaw Russian (which those people spoke), beating up Russian-speaking people, and then warring against eastern Ukraine. Kiev created a civil war when there didn't have to be one.

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If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake Signym

I know perfectly well what you are doing, Signym. Russia combines Soviet-era “whataboutism” and Chekist “active measures” with a wised-up, postmodern smirk that says that everything is a sham. Where the Soviets once co-opted and repurposed concepts such as “democracy,” “human rights” and “sovereignty” to mask their opposites, the Putinists use them playfully to suggest that not even the West really believes in them — all liberalism is cant, and anyone can be bought.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 1:14 PM

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Quote:

SECOND: I know perfectly well what you are doing, Signym.
Good. Because all I'm doing is posting THE TRUTH. You may not like this truth, but it's the situation in Ukraine as best as I can discern.
Quote:

SECOND: Where the Soviets once co-opted and repurposed concepts such as “democracy,” “human rights” and “sovereignty” to mask their opposites, the Putinists use them playfully to suggest that not even the West really believes in them — all liberalism is cant, and anyone can be bought.
Gullible people in the west believe their own cant, but an objective observer will note that the west DOESN'T promote democracy, human rights, and sovereignty. In reality, the west destroys and deconstructs wherever it goes, virtue-signalling all the while.

I added to my post and made a correction. It's Patrick Lancaster and here is his on-the-street reporting from Mariupol
https: //m.youtube.com/c/PatrickLancasterNewsToday/videos

I separated part of the URL so it would show up and you can copy it.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 3:16 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Gullible people in the west believe their own cant, but an objective observer will note that the west DOESN'T promote democracy, human rights, and sovereignty. In reality, the west destroys and deconstructs wherever it goes, virtue-signalling all the while.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake Signym

Signym, you repeated too many times the prediction about Russia winning. Somebody gulled you into believing they know the unknown future is a certainty. And you really need to fix your signature, Signym, or William Blake will rise from his grave and punch your face for misusing a few chopped words from a longer poem that means nothing of what you imply.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:14 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Gullible people in the west believe their own cant, but an objective observer will note that the west DOESN'T promote democracy, human rights, and sovereignty. In reality, the west destroys and deconstructs wherever it goes, virtue-signalling all the while.

SECOND: Signym, you repeated too many times the prediction about Russia winning. Somebody gulled you into believing they know the unknown future is a certainty. And you really need to fix your signature, Signym, or William Blake will rise from his grave and punch your face for misusing a few chopped words from a longer poem that means nothing of what you imply.



As you say, I post this as a PREDICTION, not a belief. I base my prediction on a umber of factors (supply lines, military strategies, amount and type of military hardware etc). Whether my assessment is right or not... well, events will show.

AFA the poem: we had this discussion and I proved you wrong. Stop beating a dead horse.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 4:19 PM

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Funny how CAPON ran away from the whole topic, after starting at least four threads on it!

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

As you say, I post this as a PREDICTION, not a belief. I base my prediction on a umber of factors (supply lines, military strategies, amount and type of military hardware etc). Whether my assessment is right or not... well, events will show.

AFA the poem: we had this discussion and I proved you wrong. Stop beating a dead horse.

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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake Signym


You proved nothing about the poem, Signym, but your inability to understand that particular poem has reminded me why Russians died in great abundance during WWII in the ratio of 4 Russians for every German: 3 out of 4 Russians understood nothing about fighting a war and so they died in vain. War is no harder to understand than Blake's “The Human Abstract” but when you misunderstand war you end up dead which is more devastating than a C grade in English Poetry.

The scene of devastation in Rubizhne shows what Russia's unrelenting artillery fire is capable of. The small city is gone - scoured from the earth.

The way it fell some two weeks ago, marks an important shift in how Vladimir Putin's forces are now fighting the war. Gone are long armoured columns and tank and infantry attacks seen in the first months, in favour of large-scale artillery barrages - as many as 1,500 shells a day in Rubizhne - to wipe out resistance before any ground advance.

In Lysychansk, I meet private first class, Vladimir, serving with a reconnaissance unit in the country's National Guard. Russian forces are adapting, he says, first they came in "bold and got hit hard", now the enemy flattens what it can't capture with infantry.

He tells me of his month in Rubizhne. "It wasn't Mariupol, but it was pretty close. It was very hard. There were a lot of losses - a lot of fighting across streets. There was also artillery, just removing those houses very fast. People were trying to hide in the basement so they had no view, no assessment of the current situation. So there were a lot of losses during that time."

The men and women fighting in Donbas for Ukraine are not inexperienced. Many have fought against Russian-backed separatists who, since 2014, have been trying to secede from Ukraine. But, in this new battle for the region, they face a national army - one that has large resources of men and equipment. Even for experienced fighters, the volume and nature of Russian weaponry being used in Donbas is overwhelming.

I speak to another guardsman who doesn't want to give his name. "It's not my first war," he says, "I mean that one was a trench warfare, so it's a bit different [this time]. When I went to Rubizhne I saw the whole picture. It was tough. Shots with high-explosive fragmentation grenades, 82 mm calibre weapons," he says, stopping to draw on a cigarette.

Casualty numbers are still rising, but Russia isn't running out of men in Donbas. Nor is the Kremlin running short of artillery shells. The explosives which are hammering Lysychansk and Severodonetsk seem in plentiful supply. The surrounding countryside too is marked like a pox with black artillery craters spreading for miles along fields and roadways.

"There's a lot of artillery," says Vladimir. "Bombardments are like a nightmare, we shoot one round, they shoot 10. When our sniper is shooting, they send in a full packet of Grads on his position. So it's basically a sniper with one bullet and they send like $1,000 of artillery rounds. They really don't care how much ammunition they use."

On the outskirts of Lysychansk, bigger guns have arrived on the Ukrainian front line. Another unit of the National Guard are working on an M777 howitzer, newly received from the Australian government. It has two kangaroos painted on the barrel.

The gun is welcome but, as almost everyone I meet tells me, they need more. They specifically asked for longer range weapons. The US has agreed to send them far more powerful multiple launch rocket systems. They could be a game-changer in Donbas, if they arrive in time.

Vladimir Putin gambled big - and lost - on taking all of Ukraine, so perhaps that explains the enormous resources he is throwing at achieving a tactical win in Donbas. But a Kremlin victory here won't mean defeat for Ukraine.

I ask the unnamed guardsman, tired after months of battle, but still here at front, what it will take to win?

"There is a sky, and the sky is ours. Drones are helping a lot. Weapons have arrived and multiple rocket launchers. America, lend-lease…" he tells me. "The only question is time. It's time and that's it. And then everything will be Ukraine."

More at https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61634050

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 10:55 PM

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SIGNY:

As you say, I post this as a PREDICTION, not a belief. I base my prediction on a umber of factors (supply lines, military strategies, amount and type of military hardware etc). Whether my assessment is right or not... well, events will show.

AFA the poem: we had this discussion and I proved you wrong. Stop beating a dead horse.

SECOND: You proved nothing about the poem, Signym, but your inability to understand that particular poem has reminded me why Russians died in great abundance during WWII in the ratio of 4 Russians for every German: ...

blah blah blah...


The scene of devastation in Rubizhne shows what Russia's unrelenting artillery fire is capable of. The small city is gone - scoured from the earth.

The way it fell some two weeks ago, marks an important shift in how Vladimir Putin's forces are now fighting the war. Gone are long armoured columns and tank and infantry attacks seen in the first months, in favour of large-scale artillery barrages - as many as 1,500 shells a day in Rubizhne - to wipe out resistance before any ground advance.

In Lysychansk, I meet private first class, Vladimir...



YOU meet?
Ahem!
In all if this time you still don't know how to use the "quote" function?
It's very simple
First type an open bracket: [
Then without any spaces type the word: quote
Then w/o spaces type a closed bracket: ]
That begins your quote. It colors the font blue and indents.

When you want to end the quote
Type an open bracket: [
Then w/o spaces type a forward slash: /
Then w/o spaces type: quote
Then w/o spaces type closed bracket: ]

That reverts formatting to normal.

*****

Also, you might want to change what you posted. You post that Russians lost many soldiers in WWII bc they didn't know how to fight and imply that they haven't learned. Then you post that they DO know how to fight w/ fewer losses (long range, using lots of artillery). So you undercut your own point.
Do you even READ what you post?


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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:06 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:

YOU meet?

Ahem!
Inall if this time you still don't know how to use the "quote" function?
It's very simple
First type an open bracket [
Then without any spaces type the word The type a closed bracke


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The idea is to engage your mind, Signym, with the bigger world beyond your garden. Try engaging with this article, but just because you have never been in same room with these Russians doesn't mean you can't grasp what they are doing if you try hard:

Kremlin TV Names the Country Putin Will Invade Next

The first in line is apparently Poland, with Secretary of the Russian Security Council Nikolai Patrushev baselessly claiming on Tuesday that Poland is moving to seize territories in western Ukraine.

And they don’t stop there, suggesting Britain and the U.S. would be targeted in a looming WWIII.

While some in the West are pondering what kind of a concessions would allow Russian autocrat Vladimir Putin “to save face” in Ukraine, leading Russian lawmakers and top propagandists are advocating smashing the West, which they say is Russia’s ultimate target.

On the state TV show 60 Minutes, host Olga Skabeeva announced: “I have some unpleasant news… Even though we are methodically destroying the weapons that are being delivered [to Ukraine], but the quantities in which the United States are sending them force us to come up with some global conclusions. Perhaps it’s time to acknowledge that maybe Russia’s special operation in Ukraine has come to an end, in a sense that a real war had started: WWIII. We’re forced to conduct the demilitarization not only of Ukraine, but of the entire NATO alliance.

Vladimir Avatkov, from the Diplomatic Academy of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, said: “You mentioned WWIII and the way Americans and Poles are acting on the territory of Ukraine—indeed, we need to remember the words of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, who said that anyone who tries to interfere in the special military operation will pay a heavy price.” Skabeeva interrupted: “We never forget about these words of Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, but a great number of people are already standing in line, trying to interfere in Russia’s special operation on the territory of Ukraine. Turns out, we have to act—but we’re yet to figure out how we can act without conducting a nuclear strike.”

Russian parliament member Oleg Matveychev weighed in: “If Poland starts any intervention… its current borders will be worthless.” Skabeeva wasn’t satisfied: “I wasn’t talking just about Poland, but mainly about Great Britain and the United States… they’re all lined up.” Avatkov chimed in: “No need to rush, there is a line. Everything in its time!”

Appearing on the state TV show Sunday Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Andrey Kartapolov expounded on the idea of Russia’s crusade against the Western world: “For us, the special military operation is just the first act, an introduction. The war that is going on right now... it’s not just an economical war and info-war, this war is about our faith. It’s about our right, as the people, to have faith in what we want to believe, to love those we want to love, and to live the way our ancestors would have wanted, on our land and by our birthright.”

Kartapolov added: “These wars are not the first wars. In the 19th century—Napoleon, in the 20th century—Adolf Aloisovich Hitler, and every time all of Europe came at us. The same thing is happening now…”

Signym, there is much more at https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-pu
tin-will-invade-next


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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:13 PM

SIGNYM

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I skimmed as far as "Poland".
Hell, SECOND, I mentioned Poland.
Seems like the brain that needs engaging is not mine.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

Also, you might want to change what you posted. You post that Russians lost many soldiers in WWII bc they didn't know how to fight and imply that they haven't learned. Then you post that they DO know how to fight w/ fewer losses (long range, using lots of artillery). So you undercut your own point.
Do you even READ what you post?


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Hypothetically, 10 competent Germans fight 40 Russians, 30 who are grossly incompetent. Give them years to fight. The 30 incompetents are guaranteed to die, which leaves 10 competent people on each side to fight to the death. Not hypothetically, 7 million Germans and 27 million Russians died in WWII. About half the dead Germans were killed by Americans, Brits, French, Canadians. The Russians showed that a large percent of them are very stupid about fighting. But then again, in any large Russian group most will be highly incompetent at fighting or even surviving two months when electricity, heat and clean water are turned off temporarily because the Germans targeted "modern" 1940 technology since Germans understood how to fight a war. Russians? Not so much and they died by the tens of millions because they didn't understand.

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Wednesday, June 1, 2022 11:43 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I skimmed as far as "Poland".
Hell, SECOND, I mentioned Poland.
Seems like the brain that needs engaging is not mine.

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Skim this: "Perhaps it’s time to acknowledge that maybe Russia’s special operation in Ukraine has come to an end, in a sense that a real war had started: WWIII. We’re forced to conduct the demilitarization not only of Ukraine, but of the entire NATO alliance."

By the way, Signym, I figured out William Blake, but his understanding of industry is very out of date. Living standards in England did not actually improve much for average people due to the Industrial Revolution. That helps explain why critics like William Blake and Karl Marx were so fiercely critical of the industrialization process.

Pessimism Perpetuated: Real Wages and the Standard of Living in Britain during and after the Industrial Revolution by Charles H. Feinstein

New estimates of nominal earnings and the cost of living are presented and used to make a fresh assessment of changes in the real earnings of male and female manual workers in Britain from 1770 to 1870. Workers’ average real earnings are then adjusted for factors such as unemployment, the number of their dependents, and the costs of urbanization. The main finding is that the standard of living of the average working-class family improved by less than 15 percent between the 1780s and 1850s. This long plateau is shown to be consistent with other economic, political, and demographic indicators.
https://www.jstor.org/stable/2566618

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 2:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Yes, I knew about living standards in England. Cottagers thrown off the land, homelessness, workouses, poorhouses, beggar children and pauper children, flower girls, mtach girls, prostitution... it's been so widely portrayed (poverty is the in the background of Charles Dickens' and Jane Austen's stories) that I'm surprised you didn't know about it.

The USA provoked the war in Ukraine to regime- change Russia. Biden* said so. (He* just recently reversed himself. He* thinks we're going to believe him*?)

This was never about Ukraine. It was all abut the west v Russia and China. WWIII already started. It just really hasn't gotten going yet. If we're lucky, it won't.

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 7:57 AM

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This was never about Ukraine. It was all abut the west v Russia and China. WWIII already started. It just really hasn't gotten going yet. If we're lucky, it won't.

Recently, Russians are being made aware of new and loftier goals that weren't talked about 100 days ago, before Russia entered Ukraine.

Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Andrey Kartapolov expounded on the idea of Russia’s crusade against the Western world: “For us, the special military operation is just the first act, an introduction. The war that is going on right now... it’s not just an economical war and info-war, this war is about our faith. It’s about our right, as the people, to have faith in what we want to believe, to love those we want to love, and to live the way our ancestors would have wanted, on our land and by our birthright.”

Signym, that sounds . . . well . . . what do you think? It continues:

Kartapolov framed it as a crusade: “I’m convinced that this war is about faith. Russia is an Orthodox country, and by “Orthodox” I don’t mean just Christianity. Orthodoxy is when on our territory all traditional religions peacefully co-exist: traditional Islam, Buddhism, and Judaism... They’re saying, we’re destroying the Ukrainian culture. What culture? Look at the devils they pulled out from the basements of Azovstal... It’s the face—I can’t even call it a face—the snout of the unclean. The holy scripture says, “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” In the 19th century, we came to Paris, in the 20th century we came to Berlin—we’ll come wherever they try to enslave and humiliate us. You won’t succeed. Expect us.”

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-pu
tin-will-invade-next


Wars over religion are the very best wars of all. Also the longest wars.

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 9:32 AM

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Corned Beef And Cocaine -- Putin’s Men, The Israeli Smugglers, And The Great St. Petersburg Drug Bust

https://www.rferl.org/a/putin-cocaine-connection/31855099.html (Radio Free Europe - Radio Liberty)

Putin has a colorful past from his time as deputy mayor of St. Petersburg. Too bad that Boris Yeltsin didn't select somebody less colorful than Putin to be his successor as "acting" President of Russia from 31 December 1999 to 7 May 2000. Putin has gone from "acting" to, maybe, President-for-Life. If Putin can convince Russians that the Ukraine War is a clash between Christianity and Satanists, Putin's murky past won't make any difference since he is the only one who can save Russia from being conquered by the heathens of Western Europe and North America.

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 10:22 AM

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Kartapolov framed it as a crusade: “I’m convinced that this war is about faith. Russia is an Orthodox country, and by “Orthodox” I don’t mean just Christianity. Orthodoxy is when on our territory all traditional religions peacefully co-exist: traditional Islam, Buddhism, and Judaism... They’re saying, we’re destroying the Ukrainian culture. What culture? Look at the devils they pulled out from the basements of Azovstal... It’s the face—I can’t even call it a face—the snout of the unclean. The holy scripture says, “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” In the 19th century, we came to Paris, in the 20th century we came to Berlin—we’ll come wherever they try to enslave and humiliate us. You won’t succeed. Expect us.”



What a backward country, frozen in time. 1800's? Putin thinks himself a Russian version of Napoleon? Same dim features, same little man angst. How'd that work out for Bonaparte? I mean, after all the dead were counted? He lost everywhere.
Russia only has a chance of beating a smaller country because they have more bombs that they can fire with fewer men (fewer f-ups) from greater (safer) distances. All thanks to Oil Money - i.e. dumb geography luck. And still not sure what the end game is. Grain? Territory? Ignominy? Self destruction?




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And still not sure what the end game is. Grain? Territory? Ignominy? Self destruction?

Russia had seen so many worlds flicker in and out of existence in such blistering progression — from communism to perestroika to shock therapy to penury to oligarchy to mafia state to mega-rich — that for Russians life is just one glittering masquerade, where every role and any position or belief is mutable.

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Thursday, June 2, 2022 3:04 PM

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I suggest that you take the Russian Security Council at its word: This is about security. If that involves the globalist west, then that's because the globalist west is warring against Russia.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:
I suggest that you take the Russian Security Council at its word: This is about security. If that involves the globalist west, then that's because the globalist west is warring against Russia.

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If this about "security", then the war won't end until NATO surrenders to Russia. It will be a long war. Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Andrey Kartapolov framed it as a crusade: “They’re saying, we’re destroying the Ukrainian culture. What culture? Look at the devils they pulled out from the basements of Azovstal... It’s the face—I can’t even call it a face—the snout of the unclean. The holy scripture says, “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” In the 19th century, we came to Paris, in the 20th century we came to Berlin—we’ll come wherever they try to enslave and humiliate us. You won’t succeed. Expect us.” War on Germany. War on France.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-pu
tin-will-invade-next


“Perhaps it’s time to acknowledge that maybe Russia’s special operation in Ukraine has come to an end, in a sense that a real war had started: WWIII. We’re forced to conduct the demilitarization not only of Ukraine, but of the entire NATO alliance.” War on NATO.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-pu
tin-will-invade-next


But if it is Putin wanting a legacy, then as soon as he changes his mind about what he needs to declare victory or Putin dies, the war is over.

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The classified U.S. report says Putin seems to have re-emerged after undergoing treatment in April for advanced cancer, three U.S. intelligence leaders who have read the reports tell Newsweek.

The assessments also confirm that there was an assassination attempt on Putin’s life in March, the officials say.

The high-ranking officials, who represent three separate intelligence agencies, are concerned that Putin is increasingly paranoid about his hold on power, a status that makes for a rocky and unpredictable course in Ukraine.

“Putin’s grip is strong but no longer absolute,” says one of the senior intelligence officers with direct access to the reports. “The jockeying inside the Kremlin has never been more intense during his rule, everyone sensing that the end is near.”

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-putin-treated-cancer-april-us-intel
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Thursday, June 2, 2022 8:43 PM

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The classified U.S. report says Putin seems to have re-emerged after undergoing treatment in April for advanced cancer, three U.S. intelligence leaders who have read the reports tell Newsweek.

The assessments also confirm that there was an assassination attempt on Putin’s life in March, the officials say.

The high-ranking officials, who represent three separate intelligence agencies, are concerned that Putin is increasingly paranoid about his hold on power, a status that makes for a rocky and unpredictable course in Ukraine.

“Putin’s grip is strong but no longer absolute,” says one of the senior intelligence officers with direct access to the reports. “The jockeying inside the Kremlin has never been more intense during his rule, everyone sensing that the end is near.”

https://www.newsweek.com/exclusive-putin-treated-cancer-april-us-intel
ligence-report-says-1710357


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I suppose I shouldfile this with "Gerasimov was fired", "Shoigu had a near-fatal heart attack", and "Trump was colluding with Russia"?

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Quote:

SIGNYM:
I suggest that you take the Russian Security Council at its word: This is about security. If that involves the globalist west, then that's because the globalist west is warring against Russia.


SECOND: If this about "security", then the war won't end until NATO surrenders to Russia. It will be a long war. Chairman of the State Duma Committee on Defense Andrey Kartapolov framed it as a crusade: “They’re saying, we’re destroying the Ukrainian culture. What culture? Look at the devils they pulled out from the basements of Azovstal... It’s the face—I can’t even call it a face—the snout of the unclean. The holy scripture says, “What has been will be again, what has been done will be done again; there is nothing new under the sun.” In the 19th century, we came to Paris, in the 20th century we came to Berlin—we’ll come wherever they try to enslave and humiliate us. You won’t succeed. Expect us.” War on Germany. War on France.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-pu
tin-will-invade-next


“Perhaps it’s time to acknowledge that maybe Russia’s special operation in Ukraine has come to an end, in a sense that a real war had started: WWIII. We’re forced to conduct the demilitarization not only of Ukraine, but of the entire NATO alliance.” War on NATO.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/kremlin-tv-says-poland-is-the-country-pu
tin-will-invade-next


But if it is Putin wanting a legacy, then as soon as he changes his mind about what he needs to declare victory or Putin dies, the war is over.

Since I have a pretty good idea f "propaganda for the masses" here, I think I have a pretty good sense of "propaganda for the masses" in Russia.

People don't get worked up over abstract geopolitical concepts. They tend to get worked up over more ... colorful ... narratives: "Putin is crazy" or "Plucky Ukrainians fighting for freedom" or other emotion-laden stories. Making the west sound like evil creatures spawned by a sick civilization will prolly get more traction in Russia than putting a map up of the world with missile flight times to Moscow, or a discussion about globalization.

I discount many of those Russian statements ... which tend to cycle pretty quickly, just like ours do ... from one narrative to another as internal propaganda. The whole Russian Security Council has to agree on a plan of action, and my impression is there are quite a few strong-minded people there. Irrational plans and ideas would be sieved out pretty quickly.

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