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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Sunday, June 19, 2022 8:16 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


THUGR is too stupid to notice that ZH links IT'S sources, or too lazy to follow them up. But I have never promoted ZH as THE place to get news. It's 90pct garbage, and I ignore most of it. It is, however, convenient, if you don't mind filtering out the bull.

AFA other sources

Military Summary


You can backtrack to the main channel from there

The Duran


Again, backtrack to the main channel

Patrick Lancaster


Backtrack
An American reporting from the Russian side of the front in Ukraine

Anything by Scott Ritter (Marine) or Larry Johnson (CIA)

The Saker
https://thesaker.is/
A pro-Russian Swiss expat military analyst

Moon of Alabama
https://www.moonofalabama.org/
A German blogger with military background

I don't look at all of these sites all of the time. They don't all agree with each other but then, I don't expect them to.

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Monday, June 20, 2022 7:18 AM

SECOND

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

I don't look at all of these sites all of the time. They don't all agree with each other but then, I don't expect them to.

Unless liars take care to coordinate with each other, the liars won't agree with each other. You see the same dynamic on science fiction shows on different networks. There is no reason that events on a network show are referenced on a different network. "They don't all agree with each other but then, I don't expect them to." - Signym

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, June 20, 2022 7:48 AM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

... stay crunchy...


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
THUGR is too stupid to notice that ZH links IT'S sources, or too lazy to follow them up.



I have from time to time, and it's more of the same BS. Not unlike Truth Social - more MAGA grifters grifting MAGAs. ZH working their grift selling bs and sh*t.

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
But I have never promoted ZH as THE place to get news.



It is THE most popular source for you.

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
It's 90pct garbage, and I ignore most of it. It is, however, convenient, if you don't mind filtering out the bull.



So, much, much worse than cnn - check.

AFA other sources

Military Summary - almost unwatchable.

The Duran
"some Biden officials..." which ones? Unsourced, youtube viewer fodder. And big whoop if true! Of course some Biden officials might not like Biden's choices on Ukraine. Thank god we don't have a dictator like Russia. "Agree or die."

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Originally posted by SignyM:
I don't look at all of these sites all of the time. They don't all agree with each other but then, I don't expect them to.



Accurate reporting should reflect the same truths, whichever "side" they work for (or we think they do).

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Monday, June 20, 2022 8:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


I do hope you're taking the news analysis from these two mindless goons and giving it the consideration they deserve.

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Monday, June 20, 2022 8:19 AM

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Reflecting a shockingly barbaric and old-fashioned wartime strategy, Russian forces have pummeled Ukrainian cities and towns with a barrage of rockets and other munitions, most of which can be considered relatively crude relics of the Cold War, and many of which have been banned widely under international treaties, according to a New York Times analysis.

The attacks have made repeated and widespread use of weapons that kill, maim and destroy indiscriminately — a potential violation of international humanitarian law. These strikes have left civilians — including children — dead and injured, and they have left critical infrastructure, like schools and homes, a shambles.

The Times examined more than 1,000 pictures taken by its own photojournalists and wire-service photographers working on the ground in Ukraine, as well as visual evidence presented by Ukrainian government and military agencies. Times journalists identified and categorized more than 450 instances in which weapons or groups of weapons were found in Ukraine. All told, there were more than 2,000 identifiable munitions, a vast majority of which were unguided.

The magnitude of the evidence collected and cataloged by The Times shows that the use of these kinds of weapons by Russia has not been limited or anomalous. In fact, it has formed the backbone of the country’s strategy for war since the beginning of the invasion.

Of the weapons identified by The Times, more than 210 were types that have been widely banned under international treaties. All but a handful were cluster munitions, including their sub-munitions, which can pose a grave risk to civilians for decades after war has ended. More than 330 other weapons appeared to have been used on or near civilian structures.

More at https://web.archive.org/web/20220620010520/https://www.nytimes.com/int
eractive/2022/06/19/world/europe/ukraine-munitions-war-crimes.html


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, June 20, 2022 9:32 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
THUGR is too stupid to notice that ZH links IT'S sources, or too lazy to follow them up.

CAPON: I have from time to time, and it's more of the same BS. Not unlike Truth Social - more MAGA grifters grifting MAGAs. ZH working their grift selling bs and sh*t.

ZH is aimed primarily at the retail investor, with a dose of capitalist libertarianism and an even bigger dose of clickbaitism. They do, however, often link to WSJ or other "mainstream" publications. Clearly, you don't know the website.

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
But I have never promoted ZH as THE place to get news.

CAPON: It is THE most popular source for you.

Because it is CONVENIENT new AGGREGATOR. Intresting articles on ZH are a flag to look up the topic elsewhere. Howevever, I have often cautioned ppl to put their "shit-filters" (that exact phrase) in place before they go swimming in ZH. As usual, you chose to misrepresent my posting history.

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
It's 90pct garbage, and I ignore most of it. It is, however, convenient, if you don't mind filtering out the bull.

CAPON. So, much, much worse than cnn - check.

Nah, about the same. The only problem is, you BELIEVE the shit that CNN dumps out.

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SIGNY: AFA other sources

Military Summary -

CAPON: almost unwatchable.

Why? Because they talk about military action in Ukraine, with maps and everything? Or because they don't echo your preferrred "narrative"? Too factual, perhaps, for your taste?

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CAPON: The Duran
"some Biden officials..." which ones? Unsourced, youtube viewer fodder.

Oh, you mean EXACTLY like CNN, MSNBC, WaPo etc? Seriously, CAPON, if you filter out "anonymous oficials" from your preferred sources, there would be nothing left!

Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
I don't look at all of these sites all of the time. They don't all agree with each other but then, I don't expect them to.

CAPON: Accurate reporting should reflect the same truths, whichever "side" they work for (or we think they do).

OMFG!
TOO FUNNY!!!
Weren't you JUST defending the M$M's bullshit-amplification-without-verification as "reporting"?
Not only do you misrepresent MY POV, you even misrepresent yours!

But then, nobody ever accused you of honesty, consistency, or respect for truth!

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Monday, June 20, 2022 9:43 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

At 12.30 PM, Kalibr high-precision long-distance sea-based missiles were launched at a command post of the Ukrainian troops near the village of Shirokaya Dacha (Dnepropetrovsk region).

At that moment a working meeting of the commanders of the Aleksandriya operational-strategic group was in progress.

More than 50 generals and officers of the AFU was eliminated. This included the General Staff of the Kakhovka group, airborne assault troops and units that operate towards Nikolayev and Zaporozhye.


ALSO

At 08.20 AM, Kalibr high-precision long-distance missiles destroyed 10 M777 155-mm howitzers and up to 20 armoured combat vehicles delivered by the West to the Kiev regime over the past 10 days that were located in a transformer plant in Nikolayev.


http://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-%f0%9f%92%a5-theme-kalibr-kaboom/


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Monday, June 20, 2022 1:15 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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ZIGGY: ZH is aimed primarily at the retail investor, with a dose of capitalist libertarianism and an even bigger dose of clickbaitism. They do, however, often link to WSJ or other "mainstream" publications. Clearly, you don't know the website.
>>> Yes, I know it better than you do.

ZIGGY: (ZH) Because it is CONVENIENT new AGGREGATOR. Intresting articles on ZH are a flag to look up the topic elsewhere. Howevever, I have often cautioned ppl to put their "shit-filters" (that exact phrase) in place before they go swimming in ZH. As usual, you chose to misrepresent my posting history.
>>> You agree with me that ZH is the most popular quoted source by you "Because it is CONVENIENT." And then you say I "misrepresent my posting history." You twist yourself up in knots.

ZIGGY: It's 90pct garbage, and I ignore most of it. It is, however, convenient, if you don't mind filtering out the bull.
The only problem is, you BELIEVE the shit that CNN dumps out.
>>> Except I don't. As I've said so many times, if I want to know if a physical event, like a school shooting has occurred, then cnn is almost unparalleled as a source. Otherwise they can't be totally trusted on their own. They're not bad though - not anywhere as bad as you say your main source ZH is, "It's 90pct garbage, and I ignore most of it."

ZIGGY: AFA other sources - Military Summary - ("Unwatchable") Why? Because they talk about military action in Ukraine, with maps and everything? Or because they don't echo your preferrred "narrative"? Too factual, perhaps, for your taste?
>>> More coffee shop intellectuals fawning and straining to sound intelligent & desperate to feel relevant. I've been to college, I know these people.

ZIGGY: Oh, you mean EXACTLY like CNN, MSNBC, WaPo etc? Seriously, CAPON, if you filter out "anonymous oficials" from your preferred soures, there would be nothing left!
>>> The whoever or whatever the fck the Duran is needs to establish credibility before they can say, "I heard somebody somewhere say something about somebody." That would be JSF reporting. NYTimes etc have establish a looong track record. Not perfect - no one is - but of all journalism, all reporting media, they have established themselves at the top.

ZIGGY: OMFG! TOO FUNNY!!! Weren't you JUST defending the M$M's bullshit-amplification-without-verification as "reporting"?

OMFG! TOO WRONG!!! No, scroll up and re-read.

ZIGGY: But then, nobody ever accused you of honesty, consistency, or respect for truth!



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Monday, June 20, 2022 1:57 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by CAPON:
ZIGGY: ZH is aimed primarily at the retail investor, with a dose of capitalist libertarianism and an even bigger dose of clickbaitism. They do, however, often link to WSJ or other "mainstream" publications. Clearly, you don't know the website.
>>> Yes, I know it better than you do.

Prove it. So far, all you've demonstrated is your ignorance.

Quote:

ZIGGY: (ZH) Because it is CONVENIENT new AGGREGATOR. Intresting articles on ZH are a flag to look up the topic elsewhere. Howevever, I have often cautioned ppl to put their "shit-filters" (that exact phrase) in place before they go swimming in ZH. As usual, you chose to misrepresent my posting history.
>>> You agree with me that ZH is the most popular quoted source by you "Because it is CONVENIENT." And then you say I "misrepresent my posting history." You twist yourself up in knots.

I link the site frequently, but it's not where I get my "news", bc "news" is reporting on real events which has been validated, not just passing on psyops. ZH is full of opinion, speculation, and catastrophism. They DO, however, report on events that CNN (and other M$M outlets) won't.

Quote:

ZIGGY: It's 90pct garbage, and I ignore most of it. It is, however, convenient, if you don't mind filtering out the bull.
The only problem is, you BELIEVE the shit that CNN dumps out.
>>> Except I don't. As I've said so many times, if I want to know if a physical event, like a school shooting has occurred, then cnn is almost unparalleled as a source. Otherwise they can't be totally trusted on their own. They're not bad though - not anywhere as bad as you say your main source ZH is, "It's 90pct garbage, and I ignore most of it."

CNN is a shitstream that amplifies the latest garbage put out by "anonymous officials". And its selection of reportable "events" is carefully curated to not disturb the "narrative". They would NEVER report on Russia's military successes or China's military development, for example, unless it had been approved by TPTB to support the current propaganda.

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ZIGGY: AFA other sources - Military Summary - ("Unwatchable") Why? Because they talk about military action in Ukraine, with maps and everything? Or because they don't echo your preferrred "narrative"? Too factual, perhaps, for your taste?
>>> More coffee shop intellectuals fawning and straining to sound intelligent & desperate to feel relevant. I've been to college, I know these people.

You apparently have not watched it. It is a straightforward report of troop movements, areas taken, roads under 'fire control' etc. All of it has been timely and ultimately (usually a week or so later) confirmed by Kiev. He does speculate on what might happen next and discusses alternate scenarios. I listen but don't take it seriously; prediction is where ppl like Scott Ritter, Larry Johnson, The Duran, etc disagree.

Quote:

ZIGGY: Oh, you mean EXACTLY like CNN, MSNBC, WaPo etc? Seriously, CAPON, if you filter out "anonymous oficials" from your preferred soures, there would be nothing left!
>>> The whoever or whatever the fck the Duran is needs to establish credibility before they can say, "I heard somebody somewhere say something about somebody."

They also refer to Russia's MoD, official Chinese and Russian and USA State Department readouts, court rulings, sites like oilprice.com, many M$M sources ... including American, British, French, and German, vote tallies, official polls etc. And when they DO refer to sources that are anonymous, they are VERY CAREFUL to caveat that information and point out that it may not be reliable, and often discuss the potential motives behind any particular narrative.

Quote:

CAPON: NYTimes etc have establish a looong track record.
Yes, a terrible one. They amplify lies, consistently. I can't think of a single important foreign or financial event that they HAVEN'T lied about.

Quote:

ZIGGY: OMFG! TOO FUNNY!!! Weren't you JUST defending the M$M's bullshit-amplification-without-verification as "reporting"?

CAPON: OMFG! TOO WRONG!!! No, scroll up and re-read.

I have, and you're still wrong. YOU, son, clearly defended passing on gossip and lies by "anonymous offocials" as "news". Suck it up and admit it, or let it go and ignore it, but stop denying it.

Quote:

ZIGGY: But then, nobody ever accused you of honesty, consistency, or respect for truth!


CAPON, your every accustion is projection.
YOUR particular skillset is "SPIN": Lying while trying to look "reasonable"., as opposed to SECOND who only manages to look emotionally disturbed.
You've been dishonest/wrong time and time again, and will be proven wrong again soon.
No matter how much mud you sling.

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Monday, June 20, 2022 4:18 PM

THG


Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

At 12.30 PM, Kalibr high-precision long-distance sea-based missiles were launched at a command post of the Ukrainian troops near the village of Shirokaya Dacha (Dnepropetrovsk region).

At that moment a working meeting of the commanders of the Aleksandriya operational-strategic group was in progress.

More than 50 generals and officers of the AFU was eliminated. This included the General Staff of the Kakhovka group, airborne assault troops and units that operate towards Nikolayev and Zaporozhye.


ALSO

At 08.20 AM, Kalibr high-precision long-distance missiles destroyed 10 M777 155-mm howitzers and up to 20 armoured combat vehicles delivered by the West to the Kiev regime over the past 10 days that were located in a transformer plant in Nikolayev.


http://thesaker.is/sitrep-operation-z-%f0%9f%92%a5-theme-kalibr-kaboom/




The Saker' is a pseudonym of Andrei Raevsky, an ex-patriot Russian domiciled in Florida. In other words comrade, bullshit. Just more of Putin's propaganda.

T





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Monday, June 20, 2022 4:22 PM

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Monday, June 20, 2022 4:52 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Have you been wondering why Russians are this way? Wonder no more:

How Extreme Views on Ukraine and the West Went Mainstream in Russia

by Emily Ferris
16 June 2022

https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/how-
extreme-views-ukraine-and-west-went-mainstream-russia


In recent years, hard-line views once limited to ultra-nationalist Russian politicians like Vladimir Zhirinovsky have increasingly been espoused by the highest levels of the country’s leadership. How has this happened?

The war in Ukraine has prompted much soul-searching among Russia watchers and policymakers, to try to consider where we might have got Russia wrong, what we might have missed, and what this now means about how the West looks at Russia.

One of the most pressing concerns highlighted by this war has been the growing acceptance in Russia of previously fringe views on both Ukraine and the West. Several particular events in the past few weeks have illustrated this well. The first was the death in early April of nationalist leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky, and the legacy that he leaves behind. The second was an important interview that head of the Security Council Nikolai Patrushev gave on 26 April to the government-owned newspaper Rossiyskaya Gazeta. These, and other comments by the Russian senior leadership, have illustrated how peripheral ideas and ways of talking about Ukraine and the West have now become mainstream discourse.

A Toxic Legacy

Vladimir Zhirinovsky, leader of the ultra-nationalist Liberal Democratic party (LDPR), died on 6 April from complications related to COVID-19. Much of Zhirinovsky’s racist, misogynistic and boorish commentary over the years tended to be dismissed as a colourful addition to an occasionally dull line-up of mostly grey-suited men in the Duma (parliament). But many of the views that he held – particularly on Ukraine and the West – have over the years seeped into mainstream Russian discourse, and are now being regurgitated at the very top levels of power.

A conspiracy theorist known for his showboating in parliament, dishevelled attire and vulgar language, from 1989 Zhirinovsky led the LDPR – a party that became part of the Duma’s ‘systemic opposition’ which tacitly agreed with United Russia’s positions, while giving the veneer of an active and engaged opposition. Zhirinovsky never gained a serious number of votes in the multiple presidential elections he ran in, nor was he ever considered one of President Vladimir Putin’s inner circle. But he played a useful role in undermining the very concept of opposition, almost satirising the meaning of free speech and democracy and using the platform he was given as an outlet for extreme views. He was a convenient outlet to channel and amplify the Russian public’s general resentment – against living conditions, the West, or globalisation more broadly.

Taken in isolation, many of Zhirinovsky’s more outlandish statements were never a true barometer of public opinion, such as retaking Alaska by force from the US, or incorporating Kazakhstan into Russia. But disconcertingly, many of the views and expressions that he espoused about Ukraine and the West have been mimicked by those in important positions, and are now being used to promote Kremlin narratives about the war in Ukraine.

In late May, Leonid Slutsky duly replaced Zhirinovsky as leader of the party. It is an inauspicious alternative – in 2018 Slutsky was accused by several journalists (including from the BBC) of sexual harassment, which he denied, and he is believed to own property and land worth millions, which is not commensurate with his official salary. But Slutsky is also a senior member of Russia’s negotiating team on the Ukraine war and has continued Zhirinovsky’s unpleasant legacy. As Chairman of the State Duma’s Committee on International Affairs, as well as in his position as negotiator on Ukraine, he has espoused conspiracy theories about the US in particular, and what he has termed the West’s ‘neo-colonial policy’. Slutsky will play an important role in the course of the conflict, including its framing.

Seeping into the Mainstream

Zhirinovsky long held the view that Ukraine was not a real country and was instead a backwater of Russia; as far back as 1998 in a speech to the State Duma, he claimed that the Ukrainian state did not exist. Then, in March 2014, he drew up a proposal that suggested carving up sections of Ukraine and annexing parts of it to Poland, Hungary, Romania and Russia. While at the time this seemed comical, Russia’s eventual partitioning of Ukraine’s Donbas region may be a depressing future reality.

In December 2021, Zhirinovsky gave an interview in which he claimed that Lenin created Ukraine, and that Ukrainian statehood was a myth. While it would have been tempting to dismiss this too, only a few weeks later, Putin gave an angry February address to the nation, in which he maintained that Russia would not tolerate an independent Ukraine and railed against the Bolsheviks, culminating in his recognition of the separatist republics of Donetsk and Luhansk. This address was given days before the war was launched, with Putin claiming that Lenin had given modern Ukraine a false sense of nationhood by allowing it some autonomy, and that Ukraine’s claim to independence was baseless.

Since Russia annexed Crimea, some of Zhirinovsky’s pronouncements on Ukraine – particularly assertions about partitioning – have not been too far from Putin’s own statements in 2014 about Novorossiya, the then-abandoned project to give Russia a land bridge to Crimea across southern Ukraine, from Kharkiv to Odessa. But this territorial expansion now appears to be part of the Russian army’s aims in the Ukraine war. While this is not to say that Putin has been particularly inspired by Zhirinovsky, it does seem that the direction of Russian political life is increasingly cultivating those who share these views, and the language that accompanies them.

Since 2014, when a more marked change in Russia’s rhetoric about Ukraine began, some of Zhirinovsky’s mannerisms and language have appeared to seep into other members of Russia’s senior leadership. Maria Zakharova, foreign affairs spokesperson and Kremlin mouthpiece, has sounded like Zhirinovsky at times in her characterisation of Ukraine, particularly when it comes to her emphasis on Nazism and her hyperbolic characterisations of the West. Even former prime minister Dmitry Medvedev, once the West’s (now dashed) hope for a liberalising force in Russia politics, has posted increasingly threatening and vitriolic messages about the war on his Telegram channel, parroting the Kremlin’s propaganda.

Perhaps if we had recognised that some of Zhirinovsky's beliefs about Ukraine were more widely held among the senior leadership, we may have read Russia’s intentions towards Ukraine and its strategic calculus differently

Medvedev became deputy head of the hawkish Security Council in 2020, and since then has produced a steady drumbeat of increasingly anti-Western invective. In October 2021, he penned an article on Ukraine, using language not dissimilar to the kind of vulgar rhetoric that Zhirinovsky prized, in which he maintained that Ukraine was a vassal state, and that it was meaningless to negotiate with it. Medvedev’s article echoed increasingly hard-line sentiments about Ukraine that Putin had espoused in his essay of July 2021. While the article could have been an amplification of Putin’s views as a way of currying favour, it reflects a collective consensus on what Putin might like to hear from those closest to him.

One of the most revealing examples of this was provided by Nikolai Patrushev, the hawkish head of the Security Council and former head of the FSB, who on 26 April gave an interview to Rossiyskaya Gazeta. He reiterated Russia’s framing of the war as fomented and continued by the US, maintaining that this was with the aim of dividing ‘a single people’ (Russia and Ukraine). But his characterisation of the West – while typically hyperbolic and critical – was surprisingly acerbic, calling it an ‘empire of lies’ that seeks Russia’s humiliation and ultimate destruction, with sanctions intended to ‘spiritually and materially impoverish’ Russia, and maintaining that the future of Ukraine can only be its disintegration into several smaller states. Patrushev is no stranger to aggressive rhetoric directed at the West and the US in particular, but the tone was a marked departure from previous interviews, with a fervour far more typical of Zhirinovsky.

Ideological Clashes

Many dismissed Zhirinovsky as a court jester, full of comedic ideas and bluster. But perhaps, had we recognised that some beliefs about Ukraine were more widely held among the senior leadership, we may have read Russia’s intentions towards Ukraine and its strategic calculus differently.

The decision-making circle of trust around Putin is narrowing, with their views increasingly embracing conspiracy theories, conservatism and insularity as a way of mobilising Russia against foreign threats. This makes it difficult to penetrate their mindset to the point that common ground with the West can be achieved, and as Patrushev’s article highlights, their views are the basis of an ideological clash between Russia and the West. While such ideas have been percolating for some time, it could be that the Ukraine war has been the catalyst for more extreme views to become standard. If not in life, then in death, this is Zhirinovsky’s toxic legacy.

https://www.rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/how-
extreme-views-ukraine-and-west-went-mainstream-russia


The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Monday, June 20, 2022 7:29 PM

SIGNYM

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THUGR: The Saker' is a pseudonym of Andrei Raevsky, an ex-patriot Russian domiciled in Florida. In other words comrade, bullshit. Just more of Putin's propaganda.
Wrong. He is ... as I previously described him... a pro-Ruusian expat SWISS military analyst. His family emigrated from Russia (they were "White Russians") I imagine some time around 1917.

If you want to listen to/read an expat SOVIET military officer for a military analysis, living in Oregon, look up Andrei Martyanov. He's the one who keeps banging on about how Russian military strategies are highly mathematical, comprised of differentials equations and statistics that calculate various supply requirements (How many shells from how much artillery will you need to hit how many targets with 90pct certainty?)





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Monday, June 20, 2022 7:53 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Looks like none of you idiots had anything to talk about today except for Russia.

I can't blame you. There literally is nothing good to say about how Democrats are running the country (into the ground).

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Monday, June 20, 2022 8:46 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Looks like none of you idiots had anything to talk about today except for Russia.

I can't blame you. There literally is nothing good to say about how Democrats are running the country (into the ground).

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Falsus in unum, falsus in omnibus

No kidding. This whole RUSSIA!RUSSIA! campaign is one giant distraction from USA!USA!

It's hard to credit how easily led most people are.

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Monday, June 20, 2022 9:01 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Who said this?

Quote:

Contrary to Washington’s triumphalist pronouncements, Russia is winning the war, Ukraine has lost the war. Any longer-term damage to Russia is open to debate.

American sanctions against Russia have turned out to be far more devastating to Europe than to Russia. The global economy has slowed and many developing nations face serious food shortages and risk of broad starvation.

There are already deep cracks in the European façade of so-called “NATO unity.” Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the American Pied Piper to war against Russia. Indeed, this is not a Ukrainian-Russian war but an American-Russian war fought by proxy to the last Ukrainian.

Contrary to optimistic declarations, NATO may in fact ultimately emerge weakened. Western Europeans will think long and hard about the wisdom and deep costs of provoking deeper long term confrontations with Russia or other “competitors”of the US.

Europe will sooner or later return to the purchase of inexpensive Russian energy. Russia lies on the doorstep and a natural economic relationship with Russia will possess overwhelming logic in the end.

Europe already perceives the US as a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “American leadership” in the world. America’s willingness to go to war to this end is increasingly dangerous to others.



You get three guesses.
Putin? Medvedev? Saker? Someone else?




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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Who said this?

Quote:

Contrary to Washington’s triumphalist pronouncements, Russia is winning the war, Ukraine has lost the war. Any longer-term damage to Russia is open to debate.

American sanctions against Russia have turned out to be far more devastating to Europe than to Russia. The global economy has slowed and many developing nations face serious food shortages and risk of broad starvation.

There are already deep cracks in the European façade of so-called “NATO unity.” Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the American Pied Piper to war against Russia. Indeed, this is not a Ukrainian-Russian war but an American-Russian war fought by proxy to the last Ukrainian.

Contrary to optimistic declarations, NATO may in fact ultimately emerge weakened. Western Europeans will think long and hard about the wisdom and deep costs of provoking deeper long term confrontations with Russia or other “competitors”of the US.

Europe will sooner or later return to the purchase of inexpensive Russian energy. Russia lies on the doorstep and a natural economic relationship with Russia will possess overwhelming logic in the end.

Europe already perceives the US as a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “American leadership” in the world. America’s willingness to go to war to this end is increasingly dangerous to others.



You get three guesses.
Putin? Medvedev? Saker? Someone else?






Lemme guess. You found a fifth person in the world that spins the same bs as you?

"Washington’s triumphalist pronouncements" I have totally missed those. I have seen lots of reports on Russia's stumbling military putting their dck in the sand.

"Russia is winning the war" Huh? Define "winning." Denazifying Ukraine? "Returning" Russia's lost lands to their *rightful* owner at whatever cost to innocent lives? Stealing natural resources from a sovereign neighbor? "Killing more of them that they kill of us?" Great to see the pride Bully Russia has in beating up their smaller neighbors. No wonder so many countries openly hate Russia.

"America’s willingness to go to war to this end is increasingly dangerous to others." Makes no sense. We just ended 20 years of stupid in Afghanistan - way to go Joe! - and we would have sat on the world's front porch if Russia hadn't invaded Ukraine. Again. More accurately: Russia's dickheadedery is what is, "increasingly dangerous to others." Europe is seeing first hand that energy dependance on a corrupt gov like Russia is akin to extortion. Thanks Putin! As predicted, we'll see accelerated interest in renewables and alternative energy sources. Should have happened long ago, just took greedy, little-man-syndrome Putin to give everyone a nudge.

"NATO may in fact ultimately emerge weakened" - "they may" a lot of things. Nothing can stop people from saying stupid sht. Unless they live in Russia and don't want to go to jail.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2022 8:20 AM

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Biden* has his regrets now. He threw Z under the bus already.

Biden* is incapable of taking responsibility for anything.

Biden* is a loser.

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SIGNYM

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Quote:

Originally posted by CAPTAINCRUNCH:
Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Who said this?

Quote:

Contrary to Washington’s triumphalist pronouncements, Russia is winning the war, Ukraine has lost the war. Any longer-term damage to Russia is open to debate.

American sanctions against Russia have turned out to be far more devastating to Europe than to Russia. The global economy has slowed and many developing nations face serious food shortages and risk of broad starvation.

There are already deep cracks in the European façade of so-called “NATO unity.” Western Europe will increasingly rue the day that it blindly followed the American Pied Piper to war against Russia. Indeed, this is not a Ukrainian-Russian war but an American-Russian war fought by proxy to the last Ukrainian.

Contrary to optimistic declarations, NATO may in fact ultimately emerge weakened. Western Europeans will think long and hard about the wisdom and deep costs of provoking deeper long term confrontations with Russia or other “competitors”of the US.

Europe will sooner or later return to the purchase of inexpensive Russian energy. Russia lies on the doorstep and a natural economic relationship with Russia will possess overwhelming logic in the end.

Europe already perceives the US as a declining power with an erratic and hypocritical foreign policy “vision” premised upon the desperate need to preserve “American leadership” in the world. America’s willingness to go to war to this end is increasingly dangerous to others.



You get three guesses.
Putin? Medvedev? Saker? Someone else?






Lemme guess. You found a fifth person in the world that spins the same bs as you?



Yep!
Quote:

Graham E. Fuller (born November 28, 1937) is an American author and political analyst, specializing in Islamist extremism.[1] Formerly vice-chair of the National Intelligence Council,[2] he also served as Station Chief in Kabul for the CIA. A "think piece" that Fuller wrote for the CIA was identified as instrumental in leading to the Iran–Contra affair.[3][4]

After a career in the United States State Department and CIA lasting 27 years,[5] he joined Rand Corporation as senior political scientist specializing in the Middle East.[3][6][7] As of 2006, he was affiliated with the Simon Fraser University in Vancouver, British Columbia, as an adjunct professor of history.[8] He is the author of a number of books, including The Future of Political Islam.[9]


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham_E._Fuller

Go argue with him.


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Tuesday, June 21, 2022 2:00 PM

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In the meantime ... RUSSIA!RUSSIA! is nothing but a big distraction from USA!USA!

Maybe we should put the focus back where it belongs.
Eventually Russia will win in Ukraine.
And I hope y'all will FINALY take a lesson on how you've been lied to for decades, and you'll stop believing the M$M which just amplifies lies by "anonymous officials". Learn to look for evidence, broaden your sources, STOP LYING, use logic to parse conflicting narratives.

Until then, peace out.

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Looks like none of you idiots had anything to talk about today except for Russia.

I can't blame you. There literally is nothing good to say about how Democrats are running the country (into the ground).

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In Texas, where Republicans control the economy, and where Texas actually exports 10 times more gasoline than Texans consume, and where the agriculture of Texas produces more food than Texans can eat, and where computers and cars are made in Texas, the prices are inflated. I do not see any Republicans in Texas blaming Republicans in Texas government for inflated prices in Texas. I wonder why these Republicans think that Democrats in DC have all control over prices in Texas and the Republicans have none? Hint: the Republicans know that government has no control over prices because Texas Capitalists (not government) control how much is produced at prices best for the Texas Capitalists.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2022 4:11 PM

CAPTAINCRUNCH

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
In the meantime ... RUSSIA!RUSSIA! is nothing but a big distraction from USA!USA!

Maybe we should put the focus back where it belongs.
Eventually Russia will win in Ukraine.
And I hope y'all will FINALY take a lesson on how you've been lied to for decades, and you'll stop believing the M$M which just amplifies lies by "anonymous officials". Learn to look for evidence, broaden your sources, STOP LYING, use logic to parse conflicting narratives.

Until then, peace out.




Jeezus, shut up already.

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Tuesday, June 21, 2022 4:35 PM

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Oh, THAT'S a cheap shot: telling someone to shut up AFTER they left the room. You think you're so clever, but all you wind up doing is looking weasely.
Again, peace out.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:
Oh, THAT'S a cheap shot: telling someone to shut up AFTER they left the room. You think you're so clever, but all you wind up doing is looking cowardly.
Again, peace out.

Look! Look! Who but a confident winner would speak such threats on Russian State TV?
Quote:

The UK will ‘physically cease to exist’ if the latest stand-off in Lithuania triggers a nuclear World War Three, a retired Russian general claimed.

Speaking on Russian state TV this week, lieutenant general Evgeny Buzhinsky said the West is playing with fire in blockading the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad, in order to prevent sanctioned goods from reaching the territory via Nato state Lithuania.

The military expert also lashed out at British general Sir Patrick Sanders, who took command of Britain’s land forces this week and announced his arrival with a chilling message saying troops should be prepared to fight Russia and defend Europe.

‘He doesn’t understand that as a result of the Third World War Britain will physically cease to exist,’ said Lieutenant Buzhinsky.

‘The island will vanish, so I’ve no idea where he or his descendants will live.’

In a chest-beating message sent to troops on his fourth day in charge of the armed forces, General Sanders said: ‘I am the first chief of the general staff since 1941 to take command of the Army in the shadow of a land war in Europe involving a continental power…

‘The scale of the enduring threat from Russia shows we’ve entered a new era of insecurity.

‘It is my singular duty to make our Army as lethal and effective as it can be. The time is now and the opportunity is ours to seize.’

In response, Lieutenant general Buzhinsky claimed alongside the war in Ukraine the situation in Kaliningrad was ‘deeply serious’, and urged president Vladimir Putin to move nuclear weapons to the exclave in order to protect Russian interests.

Formerly the Prussian outpost of Königsberg, the city of Kaliningrad is Russia’s most westerly territory and has been a key strategic outpost since the end of World War Two.

It is wedged in between Lithuania and Poland, and acts as the headquarters of the Kremlin’s Baltic Fleet.

‘This is a long game to push us out from the Baltic Sea, an attempt to block and cut Kaliningrad off, and finally to take it away from us,’ he claimed.

Lieutenant general Buzhinsky, who served in senior positions in the Russian defence ministry, said the West intended to ‘block Kaliningrad economically, completely, until our people howl from destitution’.

He added Putin should nullify the Soviet recognition of Lithuania’s independence, switch off its energy and take control of its borders.

‘And then finally we must take military measures,’ he concluded.

‘We’ve got to do something. We’ve got to strengthen our military presence at the border with Lithuania as we did in December last year, and January this year at the border with Ukraine.’

Elsewhere in the interview Lieutenant general Buzhinsky confirmed Russia was now effectively at war with Nato, adding any attempts to impede on Russia’s sovereign territory could make the situation in Ukraine look like ‘a joke’.

Elsewhere this week, Putin’s spokesperson Dmitry Peskov warned all trust has now evaporated between the West and Moscow.

‘Relations between Russia and the West will not be back to the previous level, because Moscow will never again trust such “partners”,’ he told US TV channel MSNBC.

‘It will be a lengthy crisis, but we will never trust the West again.’

Between 2002 and 2009, Lieutenant general Buzhinsky, 72, was head of the International Treaty Directorate and deputy head of the Main Directorate for International Military Cooperation at the Russian Ministry of Defence.

https://metro.co.uk/2022/06/21/russian-general-warns-attempts-to-take-
kaliningrad-could-trigger-ww3-16862570
/

The Charge d’Affaires of Lithuania in Moscow was summoned to the Russian Foreign Ministry on Monday and told that if freight transit to the Kaliningrad region was not fully restored, Russia reserved the right to take actions to protect its national interests.

But the EU, whose sanctions Lithuania is enforcing by blocking transit, has backed its member state.

The sanctioned products will now have to travel by sea. A Lithuanian official, Rolandas Kacinskas, said Tuesday that “the transit of passengers and EU non-sanctioned goods to the Kaliningrad region through the territory of Lithuania continues uninterrupted. [Lithuania] hasn’t imposed any unilateral, individual, or additional restrictions on the transit & is acting fully in accordance with EU law.”

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/21/europe/kaliningrad-explainer-russia-lit
huania-sanctions-intl/index.html


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Tuesday, June 21, 2022 7:37 PM

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Nobody cares.

How's Biden*'s approval rating?

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Attorney General Merrick B. Garland said during a surprise trip to Ukraine on Tuesday that a veteran prosecutor known for investigating former Nazis would lead American efforts in tracking Russian war criminals.

Mr. Garland met for an hour with Ukraine’s prosecutor general, Iryna Venediktova, in the village of Krakovets, about a mile from the border with Poland, to discuss the technical, forensic and legal support that the United States could provide, department officials said.

“The United States is sending an unmistakable message” to those who have committed atrocities, Mr. Garland said: “There is no place to hide.”

After the meeting, Mr. Garland said he was tapping Eli Rosenbaum, the former director of the Justice Department’s Office of Special Investigations, to create a war crimes accountability team that would work with Ukraine and international law enforcement groups.

Mr. Rosenbaum, 67, is best known for his work for the World Jewish Congress in the 1980s investigating the hidden history of Kurt Waldheim, a former United Nations secretary general whose army unit was implicated in war crimes against Jews and Yugoslavian partisans during World War II.

In the department’s criminal division, Mr. Rosenbaum has also been instrumental in the prosecution and deportation of Nazis living in the United States and Jews who committed atrocities against their own people in concentration camps. In recent years, his portfolio has taken on a broader mission, as former Nazis die off, and now includes a wider array of human rights cases, at home and abroad.

The new team will include Justice Department staff members and outside experts. In addition to offering assistance to Ukrainian officials, the department said in a statement that Mr. Rosenbaum would investigate “potential war crimes over which the U.S. possesses jurisdiction, such as the killing and wounding of U.S. journalists covering the unprovoked Russian aggression in Ukraine.”

The department is also assigning additional personnel to expand its work with Ukraine and other partners to counter Russian use of illicit financial methods to evade international sanctions — detailing a Justice Department expert to advise Ukraine on fighting kleptocracy, corruption and money laundering, officials said.

“We will pursue every avenue available to make sure that those who are responsible for these atrocities are held accountable,” added Mr. Garland.

“We’ve seen and have determined that a number of war crimes have been committed by Russia’s forces,” Beth Van Schaack, the State Department’s ambassador at large for global criminal justice, said at a briefing in Washington last week.

“What we are seeing is not the results of a rogue unit,” she added, “but rather a pattern and practice across all the areas in which Russia’s forces are engaged.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/21/world/europe/merrick-garland-ukrain
e-war-crimes.html


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Tuesday, June 21, 2022 10:29 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Nobody cared when this started.

Even less people care today.

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Wednesday, June 22, 2022 2:55 AM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cared when this started.

Even less people care today.

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Seriously. When ppl are facing rampant inflation on a day-to-day basis, who cares about some country they can't find on a map?

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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
Nobody cared when this started.

Even less people care today.

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Seriously. When ppl are facing rampant inflation on a day-to-day basis, who cares about some country they can't find on a map?

Seriously, inflation is an old problem. There is an article that explains it. And how to stop it. The first paragraph:
Quote:

On the evening of October 24, 1978, President Jimmy Carter sat up straight behind the Resolute desk in the Oval Office, interlocked his hands, and began reading from the prepared remarks laid out in front of him. “I want to have a frank talk with you tonight about our most serious domestic problem,” Carter told the camera. “That problem is inflation.”
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2022/06/20/its-the-monopoly-stupid/

You would think Consumers would read, understand, and vote for an end to ever upward price changes, but they won't read. The Top 1% Richest Americans are thankful that Average Americans will NOT understand what is so simply and obviously being done.

Consumer Price Index for All Urban Consumers: All Items in U.S. City Average
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=QP00


Just for contrast: Consumer Price Index of All Items in Japan
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=QP8b


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Wednesday, June 22, 2022 8:09 AM

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Keep pretending this has no bearing.

I can't wait until November so I can rub my sexy ass all over your face and pump the I Told You So's directly in your mouth from the source.

You're not good enough for the bag.



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Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Seriously. When ppl are facing rampant inflation on a day-to-day basis, who cares about some country they can't find on a map?




So why do you keep posting in these threads?

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Wednesday, June 22, 2022 3:48 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Seriously. When ppl are facing rampant inflation on a day-to-day basis, who cares about some country they can't find on a map?




So why do you keep posting in these threads?

In hate lies about foreign policy. Like I hated the lies about Trump. Being against lies doesn't mean being "pro" who is being lied about.

But liars are gonna lie - especially paid liars like you - and stupid people are going to believe the lies. And if even reality doesn't stop the lying my posts aren't gonna stop the lies either. But I may point out now and again that you're still lying....

And now and again, when events PROVE that you're lying, I may point that out too.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

But liars are gonna lie - especially paid liars like you - and stupid people are going to believe the lies. And if even reality doesn't stop the lying my posts aren't gonna stop the lies either. But I may point out now and again that you're still lying....

And now and again, when events PROVE that you're lying, I may point that out too.

Ukrainian journalist Maks Levin 'executed in cold blood,' report says

"In the context of a war heavily marked by propaganda and Kremlin censorship, Maks Levin and his friend paid with their lives for their fight for reliable information."

Despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary, Russia has consistently denied targeting civilians, including journalists, since it began its invasion of Ukraine.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/22/media/maks-levin-reporters-without-bord
ers-investigation/index.html


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Liar

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CBS NEWS: Russia's ruble is the strongest currency in the world this year

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-ruble-currency-russian-eco
nomy-2022
/


There you go, you dumb shits.

LET'S GO BRANDON!

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
CBS NEWS: Russia's ruble is the strongest currency in the world this year

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-ruble-currency-russian-eco
nomy-2022
/


There you go, you dumb shits.

LET'S GO BRANDON!

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The article you are using https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-ruble-currency-russian-eco
nomy-2022
/
says "One sign the Russian economy remains under severe pressure is that inflation in Russia is more than double the rate in the U.S." Double is for one month only, which doesn't tell much about Russia. How much has the Consumer Price Index changed over the Putin Era, going back to 2000? If the price was 100 in 2000, it is now 798 in 2022 for Russians. It is 172 in 2022 for Americans. Here is the Consumer Price Index for Russia (Red line) and America (Blue line):

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=QQtl


Apparently, Russia is NOT a consumer paradise.

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

But liars are gonna lie - especially paid liars like you - and stupid people are going to believe the lies. And if even reality doesn't stop the lying my posts aren't gonna stop the lies either. But I may point out now and again that you're still lying....

And now and again, when events PROVE that you're lying, I may point that out too.



You accuse me of lying... by lying. Yup.

Let me know if anyone intelligent or interesting or funny or insightful or worldy or mature or sophisticated or worth while or just above average shows up...

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Quote:

Originally posted by second:
How much has the Consumer Price Index changed over the Putin Era, going back to 2000? If the price was 100 in 2000, it is now 798 in 2022 for Russians. It is 172 in 2022 for Americans.



Wait, are you saying Biden screwed up Russia's economy also????
Don't mess with people's heads with facts, second - they're over-taxed mentally already.

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Quote:

Originally posted by captaincrunch:
Quote:

Originally posted by second:
How much has the Consumer Price Index changed over the Putin Era, going back to 2000? If the price was 100 in 2000, it is now 798 in 2022 for Russians. It is 172 in 2022 for Americans.



Wait, are you saying Biden screwed up Russia's economy also????
Don't mess with people's heads with facts, second - they're over-taxed mentally already.

Knowing a fact doesn't mean understanding it. Signym bragged that Ukraine has already lost. But Signym bragged about Russia's victory over Germany. Germany had 6.9 million dead and Russia had 27 million dead, yet Signym could not understand that killing 1 German by dropping 4 dead Russians on top was not proof of Russia's military superiority. It was proof that Russia places a very low value, perhaps even zero, on Russian lives. And Russia continues to prove their value has remained close to zero since May 7, 1945. Maybe Russia will achieve victory against Ukraine the same way as against Germany, by burying each dead Ukrainian under four dead Russians. That strategy could work since Russians outnumber Ukrainians 142,320,790 (July 2021 est.) to 43,745,640 (July 2021 est.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties#Total_deaths_by_
country


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Thursday, June 23, 2022 8:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


CBS NEWS: Russia's ruble is the strongest currency in the world this year

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-ruble-currency-russian-eco
nomy-2022
/


There you go, you dumb shits.

LET'S GO BRANDON!


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Thursday, June 23, 2022 9:08 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
CBS NEWS: Russia's ruble is the strongest currency in the world this year

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-ruble-currency-russian-eco
nomy-2022
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There you go, you dumb shits.

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Russia demanded that oil/natural gas purchases be paid in rubles, not in dollars or euros. Since there is a shortage of rubles outside of Russia, the exchange rate between dollars/euros to rubles is changing. The price you have to pay to purchase a ruble keeps increasing because rubles are in short supply.
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/russia-demands-natural-gas-payments
-in-rubles-leaves-a-loophole


One unfortunate side-effect of using phony-baloney paper with pictures Stalin printed on it is that prices inside Russia keep rising faster and faster:
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=QQtl


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Thursday, June 23, 2022 9:11 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


CBS NEWS: Russia's ruble is the strongest currency in the world this year

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-ruble-currency-russian-eco
nomy-2022
/


There you go, you dumb shits.

LET'S GO BRANDON!


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Thursday, June 23, 2022 9:13 PM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
CBS NEWS: Russia's ruble is the strongest currency in the world this year

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-ruble-currency-russian-eco
nomy-2022
/


There you go, you dumb shits.

LET'S GO BRANDON!


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Do you realize you wrote the same thing at 8:38 PM? Or did you forget because of intoxication?

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Thursday, June 23, 2022 10:38 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


CBS NEWS: Russia's ruble is the strongest currency in the world this year

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-ukraine-ruble-currency-russian-eco
nomy-2022
/


There you go, you dumb shits.

LET'S GO BRANDON!

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Friday, June 24, 2022 7:41 PM

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Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
CBS NEWS: Russia's ruble is the strongest currency in the world this year

Russia's ultimate goal is clearly stated. There is no longer any need to read between the lines when Putin compares himself with Peter the Great.

Putin’s justification: “In order to claim some kind of leadership – I am not even talking about global leadership, I mean leadership in any area – any country, any people, any ethnic group should ensure their sovereignty. Because there is no in-between, no intermediate state: either a country is sovereign, or it is a colony, no matter what the colonies are called.”

The implication is clear: there are two categories of state. The sovereign and the conquered. In Putin’s view, Ukraine falls into the latter category.

From Russian official statements in the last months, Finland, the Baltic states and Europe itself fall into the latter category. The Conqueror must have the strongest currency in the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/21/pacificsm-is-the
-wrong-response-to-the-war-in-ukraine


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Saturday, June 25, 2022 7:27 AM

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Putin warned the West that he would strike new targets in Ukraine after the U.S. announced the transfer of four HIMARS to Ukraine.

On Wednesday, deputy chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee Yuri Shvytkin took things a step further, saying that the transfer of HIMARS to Ukraine "underlines the step-by-step movement towards a third world war on the part of the United States."

"You need to understand that we must respond harshly. In my opinion, today the reaction should also take place in those countries that supply weapons. And not just to destroy infrastructure and so on, but I think the main decision-making center is the US Embassy," Shvytkin told the Russian news outlet Lenta.ru. "I think that sooner or later this will become a target for the armed forces of Russia."

Rebekah Koffler, author of "Putin's Playbook: Russia's Secret Plan to Defeat America," said "This would be a message to the US to stop providing weaponry to Ukraine. But it’s all risky and the threshold is very high for this decision."

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukraine-long-range-rocket-system-russian
-threat-us-embassy


Presumably, Putin won't bomb the White House or the World Trade Center, but there is nothing stopping him except his own imagination. The sky is open to everything, including cruise missiles fired from Russian submarines offshore from DC and Manhattan.

Ukraine received four HIMARS on Thursday after the U.S. trained forces on how to use them. Four more HIMARS were also announced this week as part of the more than $6 billion in military aid that the U.S. has provided for the country over the last four months.

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Saturday, June 25, 2022 9:13 AM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Quote:

Originally posted by second:
Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:
CBS NEWS: Russia's ruble is the strongest currency in the world this year

Russia's ultimate goal is clearly stated. There is no longer any need to read between the lines when Putin compares himself with Peter the Great.

Putin’s justification: “In order to claim some kind of leadership – I am not even talking about global leadership, I mean leadership in any area – any country, any people, any ethnic group should ensure their sovereignty. Because there is no in-between, no intermediate state: either a country is sovereign, or it is a colony, no matter what the colonies are called.”

The implication is clear: there are two categories of state. The sovereign and the conquered. In Putin’s view, Ukraine falls into the latter category.

From Russian official statements in the last months, Finland, the Baltic states and Europe itself fall into the latter category. The Conqueror must have the strongest currency in the world.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/jun/21/pacificsm-is-the
-wrong-response-to-the-war-in-ukraine


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You just linked a pro-war article from a Leftist trash shill site.

THIS is what Democrats are now.

You suck. Your party sucks.

We are watching the death of the Democratic Party.

And I'm sitting up top here with the blacks and the Mexicans and watching the white racists fall apart.

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Saturday, June 25, 2022 10:29 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two


Quote:

Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK:

You just linked a pro-war article from a Leftist trash shill site.

THIS is what Democrats are now.

You suck. Your party sucks.

We are watching the death of the Democratic Party.

And I'm sitting up top here with the blacks and the Mexicans and watching the white racists fall apart.

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Putin says he would attack Finland, Lithuania, Poland, Germany. He also said he'd nuke the UK and USA. There is nothing stopping Putin but his imagining that the USA would retaliate against Russia. This kind of thing has happened before, but the USA didn't retaliate until years too late against countries on a murder-rampage against their neighbors:

Japan went on a murder-rampage in July 7, 1937. Germany in September 1, 1939. President Roosevelt wanted those countries stopped but the Republican and Dixiecrat Senators called FDR a warmonger until Pearl Harbor Day, Dec. 7, 1941. FDR could have stopped Japan and Germany in only a year's fighting, but Republican and Dixiecrat Senators would let those separate wars blossom into the biggest fire fight in Earth's history because the Senators would not vote for a declaration of war.

Now that I think of it, US Senators haven't voted for a declaration of war in 80 years. A majority of Senators are too irresponsible to make a decision about war or anything of substance, which is why the Senate has been malfunctioning for 80 years and getting worse and worse as the Senate has filled up with more and more elderly folk.
https://www.senate.gov/about/powers-procedures/declarations-of-war.htm

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Sunday, June 26, 2022 7:42 PM

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Quote:

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Quote:

Originally posted by SignyM:

But liars are gonna lie - especially paid liars like you - and stupid people are going to believe the lies. And if even reality doesn't stop the lying my posts aren't gonna stop the lies either. But I may point out now and again that you're still lying....

And now and again, when events PROVE that you're lying, I may point that out too.



You accuse me of lying... by lying. Yup.

Let me know if anyone intelligent or interesting or funny or insightful or worldy or mature or sophisticated or worth while or just above average shows up...





Here I am G, as requested.

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Sunday, June 26, 2022 10:15 PM

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I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Severodonetsk now under complete Russian control and is no longer contested

https://news.yahoo.com/severodonetsk-now-under-complete-russian-111100
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