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Ukraine Reveals End Date for War With Russia

By Jon Jackson On 1/5/23 at 1:59 PM EST

In a recent interview, the head of Ukraine's military intelligence hinted at a possible end date for his country's war with Russia.

Kyrylo Budanov, Chief of the Defense Intelligence of Ukraine, told ABC News in an interview shared by the outlet on Wednesday that he expects the "hottest" fighting between Ukraine and Russian President Vladimir Putin's forces to occur in March.

Budanov added that he expects Ukraine's military to make a large push against the invading Russians in the spring. According to him, those efforts could lead to what Ukraine feels would be an end to the war.

"This is [when we will see more] liberation of territories and dealing the final defeats to the Russian Federation," Budanov said. "This will happen throughout Ukraine, from Crimea to the Donbas."

ABC News' Britt Clennett asked Budanov about attacks on Crimea, the peninsula annexed by Putin in 2014.

"Crimea is Ukrainian territory, we can use any weapon on our territory," he answered.

Budanov added, "Our goal, and we will achieve it, is returning to the borders of 1991, like Ukraine is recognized by all subjects of international law."

Michael Kimmage, a history professor at the Catholic University of America, told Newsweek recently that Zelensky—emboldened by Putin's recent battlefield losses—could very well try to regain control of Crimea.

However, Kimmage's own speculative timeline for the war's end doesn't align with Budanov's. "I think that the safest bet is to say that it will go on until one side is sort of forced out of the conflict in one way or another," Kimmage said. "We need to think in terms of years, not months."

Budanov's prediction could also be altered by a possible major military offensive from Russia that multiple Ukrainian officials have warned could occur in the coming weeks.

Ukrainian Defense Minister Oleksiy Reznikov told The Guardian in December that thousands of soldiers who were part of Russia's mobilization drive in October should be sufficiently trained to take part in war efforts by February. Other top officials told The Economist last month that a Russian offensive could come as soon as January.

On Tuesday, Zelensky also spoke in an address of an upcoming aggressive effort from Russia's military, though he did not provide a timeline.

Budanov extended a message to U.S. citizens as well, saying they would see the positive effects that American support for Ukraine has had.

"I promise it will not take too long now, and every taxpayer in the U.S. will be able to see where every cent went," he said. "We will change this world together."

Budanov extended a message to U.S. citizens as well, saying they would see the positive effects that American support for Ukraine has had.

"I promise it will not take too long now, and every taxpayer in the U.S. will be able to see where every cent went," he said. "We will change this world together."

More at https://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-reveals-end-date-war-russia-1771612

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Friday, January 6, 2023 8:15 AM

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Russia’s capitulation as its saving grace

How should the war end?

To make sure that the war is followed by peace rather than a simple ceasefire, the final peace treaty should be signed by Ukraine, Russia, and NATO — Putin keeps saying that Russia is at war with NATO — and for once he's speaking the truth.

The treaty should not only establish Ukraine’s territorial integrity and provide security guarantees but should also make sure that Russian troops withdraw from occupied territories in Georgia and Moldova as well as from Belarus. It should stipulate Russia's obligation to pay reparations and to hand over all suspected war criminals.

The most important step will be ensuring Russia's demilitarization and the relinquishing of its nuclear arsenal, without which Putin would never have started this war. At the very least, international control over Russia’s nuclear weapons must be established. If this is followed by a 21st-century Marshall Plan to rebuild the country's economy and political institutions, then the process will ultimately be met with public support.

Defeat in war can be beneficial for any nation: Russia's defeat in the Crimean War back in the mid-19th century was soon followed by the abolition of serfdom. Today, the capitulation of the regime is in the interests of Russia and its people, as the state isn’t just destroying Ukraine, it’s causing huge damage to Russia too.

If the current regime survives, Russians may never be able to extricate themselves from the horrific present they find themselves in and Russia will be doomed to poverty as an erstwhile culture that one day simply disappeared forever.

Capitulation followed by methodically dismantling the regime could give Russians a chance — a very small chance, they must accept — but nevertheless, one that they should take.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/01/04/once-unthinkable-capitulatio
n-could-still-be-russias-saving-grace-a79873 and a different version at
https://novayagazeta.eu/articles/2022/12/14/russias-capitulation-as-it
s-saving-grace-en It is worthwhile reading both versions.

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Friday, January 6, 2023 9:31 AM

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Putin keeps saying that Russia is at war with NATO — and for once he's speaking the truth.


NATO is at war with Russia and the US by proxy.

That's what I've said all along.


Fuck NATO. NATO needs to stand the fuck down. NATO needs to be dissolved.

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Friday, January 6, 2023 1:58 PM

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Russia’s capitulation as its saving grace

How should the war end?

To make sure that the war is followed by peace rather than a simple ceasefire, the final peace treaty should be signed by Ukraine, Russia, and NATO — Putin keeps saying that Russia is at war with NATO — and for once he's speaking the truth.


OMG SECOND accidentally posts the truth.

Save this one for posterity!

Oh BTW, you DO know the rumor that Zelenskiy is a giant coke head? And what you're hearing is the nose-candy talking?
He's got a reason for being delusional. What's yours?

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What The Ukraine War Teaches Us About Military Power and Economics

National power in the modern world has far more to do with economic strength than it does with military might. When it comes to military prowess, modern wars don’t involve much hand-to-hand combat among guys with bulging muscles. What they involve, mainly, are strategic duels using long-range weapons, aided by a lot of technology. And winning such duels surely depends in part on having leadership that is smart and well informed.

I’m not saying that modern war is like a video game. If you need evidence both of that and of the importance of a smart, dedicated military, I’d recommend a recent depiction by Illia Ponomarenko of The Kyiv Independent of the brutal, terrifying fighting currently underway for Bakhmut. Courage and stamina are as important as they ever were. But bicep-flexing and bombast, not so much. https://kyivindependent.com/national/as-battle-of-bakhmut-nears-culmin
ation-ukraines-artillery-gasps-for-more-ammo

What does determine military power? Contemporary wars are, to a large extent, about arithmetic.

Military historian Phillips O’Brien’s 2015 book about World War II, “How the War Was Won,” has a memorable opening: “There were no decisive battles in World War II. This might seem a strange thing to say as the war is usually viewed through the prism of its famous engagements.” The conflict was mainly a war of attrition, in which no single battle did much to shift the balance of power, especially given the rate at which all the main players were producing new weapons until late in the game.

O’Brien was, as it happens, one of the few commentators to reject the idea that Russia could overrun Ukraine in a few days. He predicted, instead, that Russia-Ukraine would turn into a war of attrition — and that Ukraine stood a good chance of winning such a war. (Why giving in to Russia is a bigger mistake than Munich https://thecritic.co.uk/the-new-appeasement/ )

Once Ukraine had beaten off the initial attack and the invasion became a war of attrition, it also ceased to be a simple war between Russia and Ukraine. It’s true that on the Ukrainian side, Ukrainians are doing all the fighting and dying. But they haven’t had to rely on their own military-industrial base.

Thanks to a form of soft power — Ukraine’s ability to portray itself as the defender of democracy against a brutal tyrant — the country has been getting lots of weapons from the West. And when you take a wider view of these military resources, the picture of Russian dominance vanishes.

One thing I learned from O’Brien is that modern wars burn through military equipment at an incredible pace. Russia began this war with a huge number of tanks and an immense amount of artillery. But many of the tanks were destroyed in the disastrous early attempt to seize Kyiv, and the Institute for the Study of War now believes that the Russians are “depleting their stocks of artillery ammunition” to the point where they “will struggle to continue their current pace of operations.” https://understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-a
ssessment-december-31

What this means is that productive capacity — ultimately, economic power — tends to be decisive in a war of attrition. And Russia is just hugely outclassed by that measure.

All that said, this is, thankfully, not an overt war between Russia and the liberal-democratic West, in which the full force of these G.D.P. and military disparities would be in play. So it’s hard to see exactly how the conflict between Russia and Ukraine ends.

During World War II, Nazi military power didn’t really collapse until 1944, when Allied planes achieved air dominance over Germany and were able to destroy much of the country’s war-fighting capacity. Ukraine won’t be able to do that to Russia, nor can Russia do that to NATO, whose members will presumably continue to send supplies to Ukraine. So the brutal slogging match may continue for a very long time.

But this is, as I said, largely about math. And the arithmetic, incredibly, seems to favor Ukraine.
More at https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/06/opinion/ukraine-russia-war.html

Download a free copy of Phillips O’Brien’s 2015 book about World War II, “How the War Was Won” from the mirrors at https://libgen.unblockit.ink/search.php?req=How+the+War+Was+Won

A few words from the book:
The Allies developed a predominance of air and sea power which put unbearable pressure on Germany and Japan’s entire war-fighting machine from Europe and the Mediterranean to the Pacific. Air and sea power dramatically expanded the area of battle and allowed the Allies to destroy over half of the Axis’s equipment before it had even reached the traditional “battlefield.” Battles such as El Alamein, Stalingrad and Kursk did not win World War II; air and sea power did.

German and Japanese capitulation in May and August of 1945 occurred long after each had “lost” World War II. That their leaders, to try to prolong their political authority, would not take the honorable step that the leaders of imperial Germany took in 1918 speaks volumes about both the horrible and yet grotesquely petty nature of both regimes. The fate of Germany and Japan was sealed much earlier by the many-layered application of Anglo-American air and sea power. The totality of this pressure, from the home front to the battlefield, eventually choked off Axis mobility. Starting in 1943, when Germany and Japan still possessed all the basic prerequisites of great powers, their growing inability to move goods and armies led inexorably to catastrophic collapses in both Europe and the Pacific.

The fate of Germany was determined in the summer of 1943. Its inability to stop trade across the Atlantic, the one campaign that the Nazi state could wage that held out the prospect of an efficient destruction of Allied resources, coupled with the decision to strip the battlefield of Luftwaffe fighter cover, sent the war into an unstoppable tailspin. From that point onward, the destruction of German war equipment from the pre-production process up until the battlefield grew almost exponentially – so that by the summer of 1944, when German armaments production was reaching its apex for the war, destruction of equipment drastically outstripped German production for the first time. From that time, equipment losses before the battlefield actually outpaced those on the battlefield, as the crippling of Germany’s fuel production coupled with an assault on its rail network meant that considerably more than half of the country’s potential and actual production was lost before firing a shot.

Late 1943 also witnessed the start of the first serious assault on Japanese mobility. Until that time, Japan had shown itself to be an economic and technological power at least equal, and probably superior, to the USSR. However, from that point it came under an air and sea blockade that transformed how it could fight the war. The American submarine campaign reached deep into the western Pacific, and started the process of sinking Japanese merchant shipping faster than it could be replaced. It was in 1944, however, after the American capture of the Mariana Islands, that Japanese mobility was fully crippled. The use of both land-based and carrier aircraft along with the submarine isolated Japan from its large, resource-rich empire.

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Saturday, January 7, 2023 10:33 AM

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OMG SECOND accidentally posts the truth.

Save this one for posterity!
Historical Perspectives on Russia’s War in Ukraine

In 1939, after invading Poland, the Soviet Union took prisoner more than 20,000 Polish soldiers, border guards and policemen. For reasons that remain unclear (the act brought little real benefit to Josef Stalin) these men and one woman, a lone pilot, were shot by the NKVD at various sites throughout the Soviet Union. The most infamous location was the Katyn Forest, near the city of Smolensk in western Russia, though others were murdered near the Russian city of Tver and near Kharkiv in northeastern Ukraine, as well as in prisons throughout Belarus.

The murders at Katyn and elsewhere were carried out under conditions of strictest secrecy. Not long afterward, the Soviets killed most of the executioners themselves; after all, perpetrators are witnesses of a sort. The bodies were hidden in forests and, in some cases, the killers tried to dissolve the corpses with chemicals. Relatives and Polish officials were lied to by the Soviets. When Stalin was asked about the prisoners’ whereabouts by General Wladyslaw Anders, who was gathering a Polish army in Soviet-controlled territories to fight the Nazis, the dictator played dumb. Perhaps they had all escaped to Manchuria, he suggested. The painter and writer Józef Czapski, who had spent time in prison camps with the missing men but had been released before the massacres, was tasked by Anders with finding his comrades. He was led on a wild goose chase that took him across the length and breadth of the Soviet Union, an experience he recounted in a memoir with the telling title “On Inhuman Land.”

Today, in Ukraine, we are seeing historical parallels with the events of WWII, including the elaborate deflection of blame.

More at https://newlinesmag.com/essays/historical-perspectives-on-russias-war-
crimes-in-ukraine/

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Saturday, January 7, 2023 11:23 AM

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Sad.

The only thing you've got left to talk about is Russia.

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Sad.

The only thing you've got left to talk about is Russia.

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Former President Donald J. Trump on Tuesday backpedaled on his previous support of Vladimir Putin, saying he was “surprised” the Russian president would invade Ukraine and continue to narrow freedom within his own country. “I thought he was negotiating when he sent his troops to the border. I thought he was negotiating,” Trump the Washington Examiner. “I thought it was a tough way to negotiate but a smart way to negotiate.” Claiming that he had previously had success trading with Putin, Trump bemoaned the actions of his former ally: “I think he’s changed. I think he’s changed. It’s a very sad thing for the world. He’s very much changed.” During his presidency, Trump had an unlikely alliance with and affinity for the Russian leader, incurring disapproval from both sides of the political aisle in the U.S.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-says-hes-surprised-putin-invaded-u
kraine-says-former-ally-has-changed

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Saturday, January 7, 2023 12:40 PM

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Oh, don't worry SIX, SECOND will start hyperventilating about Trump again. It's better than posting about the USA's REAL ISSUES.


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Saturday, January 7, 2023 1:18 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Modern Democrats are incapable even of thinking about USA's real issues because they're never presented any of them in the media that they digest.

"How would you know that?", one might ask.

Because I read news from both sides.

And aside from some way out of right field crap out there, the Leftoid Media is 10 times as guilty of doing what they tell their readership the few unsilenced voices from the right are guilty of.


Did you know that almost nobody even knows there is a significance to the date of January 6th, for instance? Most people don't pay attention to politics. Most people don't watch CNN or FOX or MSNBC. Most people don't watch local news. Most people don't go on Twitter. Most people on Twitter are there for non-political topics.

Most people don't even know what January 6th is.


It's funny watching videos of people going around large cities and asking them that question, and nobody can tell them what either side has said about the date because they aren't even aware it has any significance at all.

There is hope.

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Oh, don't worry SIX, SECOND will start hyperventilating about Trump again. It's better than posting about the USA's REAL ISSUES.


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Before the Civil War, the vast majority of Americans who were living in the free states did NOT see slavery as an issue worth going to war over. That majority wanted help with their piddling little local problems rather than Abe Lincoln worrying about some alleged misconduct by slave owners and the misery of slaves living weeks in travel time away from the majority. Slave state Texas was farther away from California or Indiana, measured in travel time by horse, than Ukraine is, measured in travel time, but by jet. And yet Lincoln gave most of his attention to the problem of slavery rather than, as Signym says "the USA's REAL ISSUES" which Signym and 6ix constantly hint aren't being handled to 6ix and Signym's satisfaction. Nobody who knows Signym and 6ix cares what happens to those two, so why should Washington, DC? Whatever your "REAL ISSUES" are, nobody wants to know, let alone do anything about your "ISSUES".

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Wagner’s Desensitized Prison Fighters Keep Staggering Into Bakhmut Like This Is a Zombie Apocalypse

HORROR SHOW - Ukrainians hunkered down in Bakhmut are watching drone footage in horror as Wagner’s band of murderers and prison rapists keep on marching into battle for the besieged city.

By Guillaume Ptak, Updated Jan. 08, 2023 2:33AM ET 

Bakhmut would constitute a personal prize for Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder of the infamous Wagner paramilitary group, whose mercenaries make up most of the Russian forces in the area. The U.S. believes Prigozhin has a financial motive: Wagner has often seized lucrative gold and diamond mines in areas where it operates in Africa, and Prigozhin may have set his sights on the salt and gypsum mines around Bakhmut.

According to Rem, a former car dealer from Dnipro now correcting artillery fire with the help of his drone, most of the soldiers sent in suicidal assaults on Ukrainian positions in Bakhmut are “zeks,” or convicts, recruited by Wagner to bolster the number of Russian forces in Ukraine. “Mobiks [conscripts] are usually scared, and they scatter when they get shelled. Those guys are not scared,” he said.

Of the Wagnerites, Rem says that they’re a much more effective fighting force than they’re usually given credit for: “They’re making progress, after all.” Desensitized to violence and with nothing left to lose, the prisoners—many of whom are violent criminals including murderers and rapists—are considered by Ukrainian soldiers a tougher enemy than the average army conscript.

The Russian tactic of sending prison recruits to attack Ukrainian positions—allowing them to identify defenses for the artillery to pummel afterwards—has proven effective, though slow and deadly. While no major breakthrough has occurred, they have been slowly eroding Ukrainian defenses, and creeping ever closer to the eastern outskirts of the city.

This assessment was echoed in late December by Oleksandr Danylyuk, a former national security adviser for Ukraine currently working on military planning, who said of the prison conscripts: “They are—I cannot say fearless—but they have nothing to lose pretty much. So, they are attacking constantly and they’ve been killed in big quantities as well.”

Yet those incremental gains on the eastern approach to the city have come at a cost for Russian forces, as evidenced during Prigozhin’s well-publicized visit to the frontline over the New Year. In a series of videos released by Russian news agency RIA Novosti, the Wagner boss first visits a basement filled with the bodies of his fighters, many of them convicts, killed during the battle for Bakhmut, before complaining that “every house [in Bakhmut] has become a fortress”—and that it sometimes takes a week of fighting to take a single house.

Volodymyr Zelensky’s visit to the city in late December underscored the symbolic value of “fortress Bakhmut”—and the sacrifices made to defend it. A Ukrainian officer serving in the East, who asked to remain anonymous, ventured an estimate of a dozen casualties a day.

More at https://www.thedailybeast.com/wagners-desensitized-prison-fighters-kee
p-staggering-into-bakhmut-like-this-is-a-zombie-apocalypse

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Yesterday, Putin and members of the Russian Orthodox Church celebrated Christmas.
https://www.euronews.com/2023/01/07/vladimir-putin-attends-orthodox-ch
ristmas-mass-alone-as-ceasefire-request-fails-to-hold

Wasn't Christmas on December 25th? No, because Putin uses Julius Caesar's calendar, a different one than the rest of the world uses:

Introduced by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582, the Gregorian calendar is the world’s most widely used civil calendar and the one that western Christians -- including Catholics and Protestants -- use to celebrate Christmas on 25 December.

The calendar was initially proposed to make sure that Easter, the Church's most important festival, always fell around the spring equinox in response to a gradual time drift that was occurring under the previously-used Julian calendar.

But Orthodox Christians — excluding the Greek Orthodox Church, which adopted the Gregorian calendar in 1923, and parts of the Ukrainian faithful — still use the Julian calendar today. 

It is a solar calendar that was implemented in 46 BC by Julius Caesar and is a whole 13 days later than its Gregorian counterpart.

The almost two-week gap was caused by a slight miscalculation when the Julian calendar was first devised, leading to it falling more and more out of sync with the solar year as the centuries passed. As a result, Orthodox Christmas will eventually fall on 8 January by the year 2100. ( Julius Caesar's year was exactly 365 days and 6 hours long while a real year is 365 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, and 46 seconds. The difference every year tends to build up over the centuries.)

https://www.euronews.com/culture/2023/01/06/why-do-some-orthodox-chris
tians-celebrate-christmas-in-january

Russia will continue to fall more out of sync with the rest of the world until Russians change their ways.

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Sunday, January 8, 2023 12:12 PM

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Oh, don't worry SIX, SECOND will start hyperventilating about Trump again. It's better than posting about the USA's REAL ISSUES.


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Before the Civil War, the vast majority of Americans who were living in the free states did NOT see slavery as an issue worth going to war over. That majority wanted help with their piddling little local problems rather than Abe Lincoln worrying about some alleged misconduct by slave owners and the misery of slaves living weeks in travel time away from the majority. Slave state Texas was farther away from California or Indiana, measured in travel time by horse, than Ukraine is, measured in travel time, but by jet. And yet Lincoln gave most of his attention to the problem of slavery rather than, as Signym says "the USA's REAL ISSUES" which Signym and 6ix constantly hint aren't being handled to 6ix and Signym's satisfaction. Nobody who knows Signym and 6ix cares what happens to those two, so why should Washington, DC? Whatever your "REAL ISSUES" are, nobody wants to know, let alone do anything about your "ISSUES".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



Not Sigs' and My issues. EVERYONE'S FUCKING ISSUES, YOU IDIOT.

If you haven't noticed, the economy is in shambles, crime is on the rise and starting to spill out from Democrat ran shitholes into the suburbs, and the aggregate of polls show that not even 30% of the voters think that we're on the right track.

Nobody gives one flying fuck about Ukraine.

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Sunday, January 8, 2023 12:16 PM

6IXSTRINGJACK


Meanwhile, in REALITY...

We the People are going to start being the Police, since Democrats made it impossible for the police to do their jobs ever since summer of 2020.



Was this justified? ABSOLUTELY.

This shit happens seemingly EVERY FUCKING DAY now in this country, and it's the fault of DEMOCRATS and DEMOCRAT POLICY.


FUCK THIS DEAD DUDE. FUCK DEMOCRATS.

AND FUCK UKRAINE.

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Sunday, January 8, 2023 12:38 PM

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Quote:
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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Oh, don't worry SIX, SECOND will start hyperventilating about Trump again. It's better than posting about the USA's REAL ISSUES.


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Pity would be no more,
If we did not MAKE someone poor - William Blake

Before the Civil War, the vast majority of Americans who were living in the free states did NOT see slavery as an issue worth going to war over. That majority wanted help with their piddling little local problems rather than Abe Lincoln worrying about some alleged misconduct by slave owners and the misery of slaves living weeks in travel time away from the majority. Slave state Texas was farther away from California or Indiana, measured in travel time by horse, than Ukraine is, measured in travel time, but by jet. And yet Lincoln gave most of his attention to the problem of slavery rather than, as Signym says "the USA's REAL ISSUES" which Signym and 6ix constantly hint aren't being handled to 6ix and Signym's satisfaction. Nobody who knows Signym and 6ix cares what happens to those two, so why should Washington, DC? Whatever your "REAL ISSUES" are, nobody wants to know, let alone do anything about your "ISSUES".

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two



Not Sigs' and My issues. EVERYONE'S FUCKING ISSUES, YOU IDIOT.

If you haven't noticed, the economy is in shambles, crime is on the rise and starting to spill out from Democrat ran shitholes into the suburbs, and the aggregate of polls show that not even 30% of the voters think that we're on the right track.

Nobody gives one flying fuck about Ukraine.

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Apparently SECOND DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THAT THE USA AND UKRAINE ARE TWO SEPARATE NATIONS, WHOSE CITIZENS' INTERESTS ARE BOUNDED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE NATIONAL BORDERS.

I could be generous and explain away SECOND's constant trolling bc of confusion about/conflation of nationalities. But the reality is that SECOND wants to pit Americans against each other so he can continue his pillage. He not only hates Americans, he doesn't want us Americans to recognize our common interests. If we did, we might turn our attention towards ... him. So he doesn't care WTF he lies about and who he libels, as long as we're fighting amongst ourselves. Blaming ourselves and/or blaming each other. If we're doing that, we're not turning our attention towards.... him and people like him.

Unlike us, he recognizes his interests.



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Sunday, January 8, 2023 4:23 PM

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I actually did a little time thinking about Ukraine, as opposed to collecting a pastiche if facts.

A few things occurred to me.

One of them is that, if it's true that Russian reservists won't be fully trained until March (speculation is that Russia isn't just beefing up current forces, it's creating whole new divisions, which means training up whole new command, logistics and specialist structures along with it) then ANY "big arrow" offensive on Russia's part would be premature. So Russia would actually be very happy just to sit back and let Kiev troops and weapons come to them

AFA Ukraine's transportation infrastructure... If Russia is waging a war of attrition, then it has no interest in disrupting Ukrainian logistics near the front line. After all, how can Kiev keep pouring reinforcements into the various "meat grinders" that Russia set up if transportation near the front line is bollixed? So Russia won't totally close off cauldrons, or bomb railways and bridges on their side of the Dneiper bc 1) that facilitates Kiev throwing more forces into the fray and 2) eventually, Russia may want to use those structures themselves (especially since they have diesel locomotives of the correct gage).

AFA weapons coming in from the west: Russia probably has the means to interdict the flow of weapons, especially if they're coming thru the Polish-Ukraine border. There are a few critical tunnels and rail lines that could be destroyed.
But far as I know, these are still intact. As long as they remain intact,then Russia's current plan is probably to attrit western militaries as well. But they want to slow down the flow to a rate that they can destroy.

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Sunday, January 8, 2023 5:40 PM

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My reasoning is this:

Lavrov said something about critical tunnels and bridges. The tunnels are most likely railway tunnels in western Ukraine, which is mountainous, and are necessary for bringing weapons in from Poland. Now, if Russia knows where these tunnels are, why haven't they destroyed them with a few well-placed missiles? It's possible that Russia is allowing western weapons in bc they want to de-fang NATO as well as Ukraine.

But then, if they want western weapons filtering into Ukraine, why is Russia bollixing up Ukrainian (electric) railways by destroying the electrical grid?

Again, my guess is that they want weapons coming in, but only at a rate that they can destroy. Martyanov, an expat Soviet naval officer, keeps stressing that warfare is highly mathematical. How many shells do you need to fire to hit a target with 90pct probability? How much ammunition are you using per day? How much can you transport? How fast can you make it? How fast can the enemy make and transport weapons to the front, and how fast can you destroy it? What is the rate-limiting step?

I can imagine, among other things, a giant differential equation that takes a lot of this into account.

SECOND, as an engineer, might understand what I'm posting about.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Apparently SECOND DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THAT THE USA AND UKRAINE ARE TWO SEPARATE NATIONS, WHOSE CITIZENS' INTERESTS ARE BOUNDED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE NATIONAL BORDERS.
Signym, for what it is worth, the U.S.A. should have let Germany destroy Russia. Instead, the U.S.A. sent weapons to Russia. That was NOT in the best interests of the U.S.A. The Manhattan Project would have ended Germany if Hitler got too rambunctious for rich American Capitalists to tolerate. Hitler would have gladly solved the problem that Communism represented to those Capitalists, then the atom bomb wipes out the fascists and the U.S.A. forever dominates the world.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/us-soviet

If you are correct that national interests are bounded by borders then the U.S.A. should have stayed out of WWII. Tough luck, Churchill! After WWII, there should not have been a Marshall Plan (1948).
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/marshall-plan

Almost forgot the Japanese who would have starved without the US feeding them. The U.S.A. set up a competitor for world trade. Should have let them all die.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/japan-reconstruction

Then there is Korea. The U.S.A. set up another competitor for world trade. Should have let them all die.
https://www.kdevelopedia.org/Development-Overview/official-aid/broad-o
verview-us-aid-korea--201412120000421.do

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Sunday, January 8, 2023 6:25 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by second:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Apparently SECOND DOESN'T RECOGNIZE THAT THE USA AND UKRAINE ARE TWO SEPARATE NATIONS, WHOSE CITIZENS' INTERESTS ARE BOUNDED BY THEIR RESPECTIVE NATIONAL BORDERS.
Signym, for what it is worth, the U.S.A. should have let Germany destroy Russia. Instead, the U.S.A. sent weapons to Russia. That was NOT in the best interests of the U.S.A. The Manhattan Project would have ended Germany if Hitler got too rambunctious for rich American Capitalists to tolerate. Hitler would have gladly solved the problem that Communism represented to those Capitalists, then the atom bomb wipes out the fascists and the U.S.A. forever dominates the world.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1937-1945/us-soviet

If you are correct that national interests are bounded by borders then the U.S.A. should have stayed out of WWII. Tough luck, Churchill! After WWII, there should not have been a Marshall Plan (1948).
https://www.archives.gov/milestone-documents/marshall-plan

Almost forgot the Japanese who would have starved without the US feeding them. The U.S.A. set up a competitor for world trade. Should have let them all die.
https://history.state.gov/milestones/1945-1952/japan-reconstruction

Then there is Korea. The U.S.A. set up another competitor for world trade. Should have let them all die.
https://www.kdevelopedia.org/Development-Overview/official-aid/broad-o
verview-us-aid-korea--201412120000421.do

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You're probably right.

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Whoops! That backfired.

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You're probably right.
War has an aftermath. I noticed that most people can't think usefully that far ahead, which leaves them confused about international war's purpose. I expect they can't think on an international level because most people can't think on a local level since they don't have a clear purpose, a meaningful life, a direction. For them life is just one thing after another and then they die. Religion gives them hope that maybe god knows because most people measurably don't know. For "religion", substitute "Trump" or the "Motherland" or "family traditions" if you are that kind, but you still don't know. Too bad for you.

It’s Easy to Write a Memoir About War — but Hard to Write an Anti-War Memoir

by Peter Maass, January 8 2023, 6:00 a.m.

War is hell, we hear that all the time. If the cliché is true, another one is too: Depictions of war’s brutality can entice people to seek it out.

The 9/11 wars have yielded a bumper crop of books and films about U.S. soldiers that often have the effect of glorifying combat. Some of these works are blunt odes to violence and chauvinism, such as “American Sniper,” the memoir by Navy SEAL Chris Kyle that was turned into a blockbuster film by Clint Eastwood. While many memoirs and movies are more honest and complex, there’s a dilemma that even the best war literature has a hard time avoiding. No matter how much a writer might emphasize the dehumanization of boot camp or the dreadfulness of killing, there’s usually enough of a heroic glint in their tales to make young Americans want to get some of the action themselves.

Lyle Jeremy Rubin deals with this conundrum in his thoughtful new memoir, published by Bold Type Books, about being a Marine in the time of the forever wars. “If there is one thing most agree on, it is that to die at war as an American is to be a hero,” he writes. “To almost die at war as an American is to be a hero. To go to war at all as an American is to be a hero. … American war is American heroism.” Anyone who might wish to write an anti-war book about soldiers in combat winds up staring into the smoking barrel of the quandary Rubin faces: How can he leave no pathway for readers to emerge from his book with a desire to get their own taste of that heroism?

Rubin chose as his title a Marine motto that would seem to promise his readers nothing but dumb machismo: “Pain Is Weakness Leaving the Body.” But the subtitle – “A Marine’s Unbecoming” – gets at the real business he undertakes, which is to subvert the traditional thrall and scope of war memoirs.

The book opens with a requisite combat scene from Afghanistan, though it’s just a few pages long. The reader must then leaf through nearly 200 pages before Rubin’s narrative settles back into Afghanistan. He charts how his slow epiphany began during a pre-deployment stint at the National Security Agency — the electronic spy agency where he saw how America could “eradicate anyone holding an earmarked SIM card” and used that power with insufficient restraint. He realizes that the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were not innocent mistakes by a well-meaning superpower that happened to overreach. “Now I was prepared to accept the obvious – that U.S. militarism counted as a principal part of this problem,” he writes.

His book includes lengthy passages on how American militarism oppresses not just foreigners, but Americans too, and how he morphed from an eager college Republican before joining the military to a supporter of Occupy Wall Street after his service. It is, in many ways, a bildungsroman of the 9/11 generation, about his Jewish upbringing, his early political and sexual experiences, his initiation into a military culture that breaks down and reconstructs identity, and his unsuccessful efforts to remain connected to a civilian girlfriend. He is struggling, as so many young people do, to understand who he is and what he believes.

By the time he gets to Afghanistan in 2010, Rubin is already skeptical about his line of work. The Afghan war section of his memoir is less than 40 pages and is printed in a different font, creating a book within a book. It’s not so much to accentuate his front-line experiences, I think, but to separate them out, as though to tell us with a bit of distaste, “OK, the war genre requires that I provide some ‘bang bang,’ so here it is.” As combat material goes, it’s pretty mild. Rubin was a signals intelligence officer, so his exposure to bullets and bombs mostly occurred during visits to members of his unit who were on outlying bases.

Typical soldier narratives have once-innocent men and women waking up to the horror of war; picture in your mind Charlie Sheen in “Platoon.” In Rubin’s book, the horror that would gradually reveal itself is the condition and purpose of his homeland. Yet as he set off for Afghanistan, he still didn’t see everything. “I was not ready to fess up to the most wretched ramifications of my slow-going disillusionment,” he writes. “I was not yet equipped, mentally or intellectually, to see the empire, but I was becoming more sensitive to my own status as both its product and its guarantor, a crossroads fraught with conflicting excuses, self-deceptions, and escalations.”

In Afghanistan, he finds that despite his new political consciousness, he is nonetheless susceptible to the brute attractions of inflicting violence on strangers. Just before going out on a patrol to hunt down insurgents, he gathers with other Marines for a chaplain-led prayer that, he writes, “includes phrases like ‘Please, Lord, allow us to track down and kill those cowardly little pricks.’” When the patrol is called off at the last minute, he is deflated: “The fact is, I want to get some like everyone else. And so I’m disappointed as fuck.”

The strength of this book is that its passages on his yearning for violence, and his embarrassment at that yearning, are not the endpoints of his exploration, as they might be in the hands of other veterans. Yes, he is soul-searching, but the soul he examines most intensely is America’s, not his own. I think you could put 100 war memoirs on a shelf and they would not contain as many references to Western intellectuals as Rubin’s 290-page book, which mentions Herbert Marcuse, Susan Sontag, Noam Chomsky, Simone Weil, Joan Didion, Dwight Macdonald, Carl Schmitt, Friedrich Hayek, Michel Foucault, Samuel Freeman, Sigmund Freud, H.L. Mencken, and Guy Debord, as well as the poets Sylvia Plath and Czeslaw Milosz, among many others.

This is also a weakness, however. One of the reasons war memoirs tend not to stray from the battlefield or boot camp is that it’s easier to write a compelling narrative when you keep your readers anchored in these crazy and violent places. I’ve written about war before, perhaps too much, and one of the reasons might be that it’s relatively easy; how could I not find a way to entrap readers when there was so much gore and drama to draw upon? Rubin resists this easier path, while acknowledging that whatever approach he takes, “there is no way I can speak about my past or my politics without risking the encouragement and benefits of America’s cheap yet profitable obsession with war … to unveil the treachery of my service, I must first capitalize on it.” Yet by capitalizing as little as he can get away with, and trying to educate his readers, he is doing the literary equivalent of rowing upstream; instead of “bang bang,” he offers his readers Frantz Fanon.

Rubin’s narrative can at times feel choppy and baggy, the hallmarks of a too-indulgent editor, perhaps. But if Rubin does not produce Pulitzer-ready material on every page, he recognizes other writers who are masters of the word. One of the quotations in his book comes from James Baldwin, and though Baldwin wasn’t describing empire and war, his words fit perfectly into the final pages of Rubin’s memoir: “One of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain.”

https://theintercept.com/2023/01/08/war-memoir-marine-afghanistan/

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Have you seen what our southern border looks like? Joe Biden* didn't. DHS kicked them all the hell out of wherever Biden* was going to be walking before he got there.

Nobody gives a shit about Ukraine.

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Monday, January 9, 2023 10:51 PM

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Have you seen what our southern border looks like? . . .
Nobody gives a shit about Ukraine.
I live in Texas and I don't give a shit about the border with Mexico. The people who care are the same as fearful Chihuahuas barking at every noise because they are neurotic.

You know who else stupidly barks like Chihuahuas? Russians. The Kremlin's false claim that its forces killed 600 Ukrainian troops in a retaliation strike is generating new discontent among Russian military bloggers. The bloggers noted that the Russian ministry frequently presents fraudulent claims and fabrications. A Finnish reporter visited the site of the so-called "retaliatory" strike on Sunday and said it hit an empty school. The school’s deputy director also rejected Moscow’s claims, telling Associated Press reporters at the site that "nobody saw a single spot of blood anywhere. ... It’s just people cleaning up.”

The Russians are barking at the moon crazy and howling mad.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/01/09/ukraine-russia-wa
r-live-updates/11017113002/

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Ukraine sees ‘year of victory,’ but the decisive defeat of Russia won’t be easy

With upgraded weaponry on the way, Western resolve holding firm, and the Ukrainian army continuing to outmaneuver and outwit Russia’s flailing military, Ukraine’s promised “year of victory” is off to a good start.

If 2023 continues as it began, there is a good chance Ukraine will be able to fulfill President Volodymyr Zelensky’s New Year’s pledge to retake all of Ukraine by the end of the year — or at least enough territory to definitively end Russia’s threat, Western officials and analysts say.

But while Zelensky was rallying Ukrainians to expect victory this year, Russian President Vladimir Putin used his New Year’s speeches to prepare Russians for a drawn-out fight. Russian troops are digging into fortified defensive positions reinforced by at least 100,000 newly mobilized soldiers, and though it seems unlikely that Russia can seize more territory anytime soon, it will also be tougher for Ukraine to make advances in 2023 than it was last year, despite momentum from recent victories, military experts say.

If Kyiv cannot achieve significant breakthroughs against this entrenched, growing Russian force, there is a risk that the war will become a protracted conflict favoring Putin, said Elizabeth Shackelford of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. A $45 billion aid package approved by Congress will tide Ukraine over for the year, she said, but with U.S. presidential elections in 2024, the longer-term outlook is harder to predict.

“2023 is really the year,” Shackelford said. “If it doesn’t wrap in 2023, Putin will have a very big upper hand. As it is, Zelensky still has a shot because he still has very strong support.”

“After that,” she added, “all bets are off.”

Putin cannot cede to Ukraine the four eastern provinces he has declared part of Russia. He must retain control of positions in eastern and southern Ukraine that provide future jumping-off points for renewed offensives to take the rest of Ukraine. Eight years separated Russia’s seizure of Crimea and its invasion nearly a year ago. Count on Putin to be patient to achieve his destiny.

Any cease-fire would leave Russian forces in a strong position to resume their invasion whenever they are ready. The only way to avoid such a scenario is for the United States and its allies to urgently provide Ukraine with a dramatic increase in military supplies and capability — sufficient to enable Ukraine to push out Russian forces in the east and south.

Because there are serious logistical challenges associated with sending American Abrams heavy tanks, Germany and other allies should fill this need. NATO members also should provide the Ukrainians with longer-range missiles, advanced drones, significant ammunition stocks (including artillery shells), more reconnaissance and surveillance capability, and other equipment. These capabilities are needed in weeks, not months.

https://attentiontotheunseen.com/2023/01/08/ukraine-sees-year-of-victo
ry-but-decisive-defeat-of-russia-wont-be-easy/

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Tuesday, January 10, 2023 7:29 AM

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Quote:
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Have you seen what our southern border looks like? . . .
Nobody gives a shit about Ukraine.
I live in Texas


Here's the part you left out...

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Joe Biden* didn't. DHS kicked them all the hell out of wherever Biden* was going to be walking before he got there.


Classic Democrat.

It's exactly what Gavin Newsom did in Los Angeles with the homeless population right before the Super Bowl. There wasn't a single homeless person or tent within 2 miles of SoFi Stadium and LAX on game day.



You should see what it looks like now.



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Moscow has cast the conflict as a fight between Russia and hostile Western nations.

"The events in Ukraine are not a clash between Moscow and Kyiv - this is a military confrontation between Russia and NATO, and above all the United States and Britain," Russian Security Council Secretary Nikolai Patrushev said on Tuesday.

"The Westerners' plans are to continue to pull Russia apart, and eventually just erase it from the political map of the world," Patrushev, one of Putin's closest allies, told the Argumenti i Fakti newspaper in an interview.

Ukrainian military analyst Oleh Zhdanov said fighting in Bahkmut and Soledar was "the most intense on the entire frontline".

"So many remain on the battlefield ... either dead or wounded," he said on YouTube. "They attack our positions in waves, but (their) wounded as a rule die where they lie, either from exposure as it is very cold or from blood loss."

Serhiy Cherevaty, spokesman for Ukraine's eastern forces, told Ukrainian television Russian forces were deploying their best Wagner fighters at Soledar, which had been struck 86 times by artillery over the past 24 hours.

He said Russia was using World War One-style tactics, throwing large numbers of men into battle and absorbing heavy losses.

"This is basically not a 21st-century war," he said.

More at https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-fights-russian-assault-salt-mini
ng-town-along-eastern-front-2023-01-09/

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I win again, huh?

Imagine that.

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Tuesday, January 10, 2023 1:34 PM

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"Ukraine's Year of Victory"?

I don't know what SECOND gets out of posting other people's delusions. Does he think we're going to be delusional with him?

Hey, SECOND, did you know you sound like Hitler in his bunker, or Baghdad Bob?

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Quote:
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Quote:
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Have you seen what our southern border looks like? . . .
Nobody gives a shit about Ukraine.
I live in Texas and I don't give a shit about the border with Mexico. The people who care are the same as fearful Chihuahuas barking at every noise because they are neurotic.

You know who else stupidly barks like Chihuahuas? Russians. The Kremlin's false claim that its forces killed 600 Ukrainian troops in a retaliation strike is generating new discontent among Russian military bloggers. The bloggers noted that the Russian ministry frequently presents fraudulent claims and fabrications. A Finnish reporter visited the site of the so-called "retaliatory" strike on Sunday and said it hit an empty school. The school’s deputy director also rejected Moscow’s claims, telling Associated Press reporters at the site that "nobody saw a single spot of blood anywhere. ... It’s just people cleaning up.”

The Russians are barking at the moon crazy and howling mad.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/01/09/ukraine-russia-wa
r-live-updates/11017113002/



One of the things the Biden administration is trying to do SECOND, is to get the migrants to file for asylum in the other countries they pass through before getting here.

The thinking is, once they've left the country they are fleeing from, the country they claim they came from because they were in danger, they can no longer claim they need asylum. That is because they could have filed for asylum in the other countries they've passed through and chose not to.

In order to claim asylum here, they will have to show they were turned down by the other countries.

Brilliant, go Joe.
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"Ukraine's Year of Victory"?

I don't know what SECOND gets out of posting other people's delusions. Does he think we're going to be delusional with him?

Hey, SECOND, did you know you sound like Hitler in his bunker, or Baghdad Bob?



It is lost on no one Polish Russian Collaborator Signym, that your claims here match the Kremlins' talking points and they always have. Meaning, ever since you've been here.

It is also lost on no one, that you falsely claim others are being deceitful in all the different ways you are comrade. It's how all fascists around the globe function. And it is all documented here. Available to anyone who stumbles across your posts.

These same posts comrade, reveal you to be the worst and slimmest kind of creep.


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Tuesday, January 10, 2023 3:23 PM

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THUGR, I tell the truth as I see it. I credit you with the same. I think you're wrong, but sincere.
In fact nearly everyone who posts, or used to post here is sincere. I don't think everyone is a liar,just a few people.

Like SECOND. SECOND is an inveterate liar. He lies, he knows he lies, and he does it on purpose. K2PO/ G/ CAPN is also a liar. But instead of telling big, convoluted and contradictory lies like SECOND, he "spins" things, like the professional that he is.

It's too bad that this site has been reduced to so few, and such a high proportion of liars. It used to be a place of high diversity. People of many nationalities and points of view, from dyed in the wool commies to liberals to libertarians and free-marketeers; pro military patriots to antiwar activists, southern rebels to urban centralists to Limbaugh dittoheads. I can't imagine any other site that attracted such a scattering of points of view. Most sites are pretty siloed now.

It's a shame that it couldn't keep going. It seems most people can't stand disagreement. They take it personally instead of leaving it in the realm of discussion.

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Tuesday, January 10, 2023 3:55 PM

SIGNYM

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BTW, since western establishment media refuses to carry much bad news from Ukraine, you won't see much about Soledar or Bakhmut or Avdiivka.

What I expect you WILL see, if those defenses collapse, is a lot of general rah-rah-ism from Kiev, focus on all of the "help" the west is providing, Russian "war crimes", calls for humanitarian cease-fire, resistance in Lviv, offensives towards Ugladar (or elsewhere, which won't amount to much), the new army that Kiev is standing up ... ANYTHING BUT front line news.

But, we'll see!

Edited to add: I find some names interesting. Ugladar means "gift if coal" (coal mines) and Soledar means "gift of salt" (big salt mines).

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Tuesday, January 10, 2023 4:00 PM

THG


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR, I tell the truth as I see it. I credit you with the same. I think you're wrong, but sincere.
In fact nearly everyone who posts, or used to post here is sincere. I don't think everyone is a liar,just a few people.

Like SECOND. SECOND is an inveterate liar. He lies, he knows he lies, and he does it on purpose. K2PO/ G/ CAPN is also a liar. But instead of telling big, convoluted and contradictory lies like SECOND, he "spins" things, like the professional that he is.




Understand comrade, that I would never, ever, equate your posting of known lies as being the same as someone posting honestly, be they right or wrong.

TWOs' posts don't offend me as an American like yours do.

This is simple. You shill for Putin and Russia and you always have. You are now, a trashy troll, and always have been.

T

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Tuesday, January 10, 2023 5:10 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR, I tell the truth as I see it. I credit you with the same. I think you're wrong, but sincere.
In fact nearly everyone who posts, or used to post here is sincere. I don't think everyone is a liar,just a few people.

Like SECOND. SECOND is an inveterate liar. He lies, he knows he lies, and he does it on purpose. K2PO/ G/ CAPN is also a liar. But instead of telling big, convoluted and contradictory lies like SECOND, he "spins" things, like the professional that he is.




Understand comrade, that I would never, ever, equate your posting of known lies as being the same as someone posting honestly, be they right or wrong.

TWOs' posts don't offend me as an American like yours do.

This is simple. You shill for Putin and Russia and you always have. You are now, a trashy troll, and always have been.

T
Just bc I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm lying. Just bc someone agrees with you doesn't mean they're telling the truth. I think you're vastly mistaken, but honest.

To me, "honesty" or "sincerity" are the opposite of "lie". "Truth" (to me) means coming as close to reality as I can. It may be unpleasant or unwelcome but then, reality often is.

I think we- the USA - are heading towards disaster, and the policies you support aren't making things better.

If I were simply endlessly criticizal, it could seem like I'm trying to tear us down. But I'm not. I suggested lots of improvements, for everything from balance of trade to banking to environmental remediation to energy savings to healthcare.

To me, being "strong" doesn't mean beating up every nation on the globe. It means being able to defend our borders, withstand adversity and make independent sovereign decisions.

Are you AGAINST those goals??

There aren't many nations that can do that, but bc of our size and resources, we can. We shouldn't squander our labor and resources on issues that don't affect our prosperity or independence.

So, what are we fighting Russia "for"?

What are YOU "for"? (please don't say "America" bc that's copout.)

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Tuesday, January 10, 2023 7:15 PM

THG


Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR, I tell the truth as I see it. I credit you with the same. I think you're wrong, but sincere.
In fact nearly everyone who posts, or used to post here is sincere. I don't think everyone is a liar,just a few people.

Like SECOND. SECOND is an inveterate liar. He lies, he knows he lies, and he does it on purpose. K2PO/ G/ CAPN is also a liar. But instead of telling big, convoluted and contradictory lies like SECOND, he "spins" things, like the professional that he is.




Understand comrade, that I would never, ever, equate your posting of known lies as being the same as someone posting honestly, be they right or wrong.

TWOs' posts don't offend me as an American like yours do.

This is simple. You shill for Putin and Russia and you always have. You are now, a trashy troll, and always have been.

T
Just bc I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm lying.




This latest post of yours shows your stupidity. Telling a lie is telling a lie. It's that's simple.

T

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Tuesday, January 10, 2023 10:18 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR, I tell the truth as I see it. I credit you with the same. I think you're wrong, but sincere.
In fact nearly everyone who posts, or used to post here is sincere. I don't think everyone is a liar,just a few people.

Like SECOND. SECOND is an inveterate liar. He lies, he knows he lies, and he does it on purpose. K2PO/ G/ CAPN is also a liar. But instead of telling big, convoluted and contradictory lies like SECOND, he "spins" things, like the professional that he is.




Understand comrade, that I would never, ever, equate your posting of known lies as being the same as someone posting honestly, be they right or wrong.

TWOs' posts don't offend me as an American like yours do.

This is simple. You shill for Putin and Russia and you always have. You are now, a trashy troll, and always have been.

T
Just bc I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm lying.




This latest post of yours shows your stupidity. Telling a lie is telling a lie. It's that's simple.

T
And your response tells me you're trolling. Trolling is trolling.

I was crediting with you being sincere.
Not any more, troll.


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Wednesday, January 11, 2023 6:05 AM

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Putin's war against Ukraine will ruin Russia
Putin's legacy will be an impoverished third world Russia

By Robert Wilkie

In Dostoyevsky’s Crime and Punishment, a young St. Petersburg student, Rodion Raskolnikov embarks on a murder spree to validate his pride. His motivation is simple — he seeks to be exceptional in the same way that Napoleon was exceptional. But, after confessing to his crimes and being dispatched to Siberia, Rodion experiences a spiritual metamorphosis and repents for his sins.

Somewhere in the bowels of the Kremlin, Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, KGB killer and former Mayor of Dostoyevsky’s own St. Petersburg, is pondering the impacts of his 300-day special military operation. But there is no chance for a Rodion-like redemption here.

Putin believes he is the reincarnation of Russia’s Imperial and Soviet past. There is no crime, no matter how horrible, that warrants reflection much less redemption when that crime is committed for the advancement of the Russian state. Rodion saw himself as Bonaparte; Putin believes he is the reincarnation of Peter the Great, Alexander I, and Stalin. Peter the Great built cities and opened his country to European thought and mores. Tsar Alexander marched into Paris after vanquishing Napoleon. Stalin subjugated Eastern Europe and terrorized the planet. Putin’s ethno-messianism however may be putting Russia on the road to oblivion.

Review the bidding. Putin has blown up apartment buildings in Moscow, shot down planes, waged numerous wars on his neighbors, engineered the assassinations of rivals across the globe including dozens of oligarchs last year who kept falling out of hotel and hospital windows. Like Stalin he has turned the Russian Orthodox leadership into flacks for the state so much so that Pope Francis admonished the Patriarch of Moscow for being Putin’s "altar boy." The Russian economy is wrecked and unlikely to recover for decades.

He has waged a war of human extermination on Ukraine and in so doing lost twice as many troops in a year than did America in a decade in Vietnam. Six million refugees have flooded the borders of Eastern Europe and perhaps three million Ukrainians — primarily women and children — have been dispatched to Russia for reeducation. The Ukrainian War has left behind trails of crimes not seen on this scale in Europe since 1945. 

Putin has been outfought and outgeneraled by a smaller nation led by a man whose profession was once the comic stage. Moscow’s depots of tanks and artillery are gone, and Putin’s planes dare not fly over Ukraine’s battlefields. His penal colonies have been emptied and the "freed" criminals told to charge into battle or be shot by the security services. Putin has let loose two mercenary armies — the Wagner Group and Chechen killers — who operate free from the orders of the Russian General Staff and international Geneva norms. His regular soldiers are deserting. They have no winter gear. The Russian people know this, and Putin’s "Holy Russia" propaganda is no longer believed. One visual that captures this is Russians seeking to leave Russia during the mobilization 

The Russian high command is exposed as gangsters, racketeers, and yes-men. This is a cabal that with each defeat resembles more and more the cast of psychopaths and dead-enders who stuck it out with Adolf Hitler in the Berlin Bunker. Like Hitler, Putin now seeks refuge with the world’s pariahs — in this case Iran and North Korea. Shockingly for him, China has not come to his rescue, and he has received the back of the hand from the leaders of India and Turkey.

Once dismissing Europe as a spent force, Putin’s brutality has rearranged the continent’s map. Russia’s northern forces are now staring directly across at the modern and highly capable armies of Finland and Sweden, whose countries have emerged from a neutral slumber to challenge their ancient enemies. He will have a hard time defending decisions to Russian posterity that led to the revitalization of NATO with Poland now assuming a leadership role once coveted by Germany and reinforced the primacy of the Anglo-American alliance (no matter how indifferent the Biden Administration is to the historic ties between Washington and London as the most reliable lasting bulwark against global tyranny).

Karl Marx’s collaborator Friedrich Engels famously called the Russian Empire a "prison of peoples." Ronald Reagan pointed to the Soviet Union as "the focus of evil in the modern world." If the West stays the course and that is not a given with the Biden administration and an appeasement chorus in Berlin and Paris, Putin’s legacy will be an impoverished third world Russia. It is ironic the imperialist dreams of the small-time policeman might lead to the final death knell of the Russian/Soviet Empire. Dostoyevsky would have known the type.

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/putin-war-against-ukraine-ruin-russia.
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Robert Wilkie served as the tenth Secretary of Veterans Affairs and as the Under Secretary of Defense for Personnel and Readiness. He currently serves as Distinguished Fellow in the Center for American Security at the America First Policy Institute. https://www.foxnews.com/person/w/robert-wilkie

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Wednesday, January 11, 2023 8:26 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Quote:
Originally posted by THG:
Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
THUGR, I tell the truth as I see it. I credit you with the same. I think you're wrong, but sincere.
In fact nearly everyone who posts, or used to post here is sincere. I don't think everyone is a liar,just a few people.

Like SECOND. SECOND is an inveterate liar. He lies, he knows he lies, and he does it on purpose. K2PO/ G/ CAPN is also a liar. But instead of telling big, convoluted and contradictory lies like SECOND, he "spins" things, like the professional that he is.




Understand comrade, that I would never, ever, equate your posting of known lies as being the same as someone posting honestly, be they right or wrong.

TWOs' posts don't offend me as an American like yours do.

This is simple. You shill for Putin and Russia and you always have. You are now, a trashy troll, and always have been.

T
Just bc I disagree with you doesn't mean I'm lying.




This latest post of yours shows your stupidity. Telling a lie is telling a lie. It's that's simple.

T
And your response tells me you're trolling. Trolling is trolling.

I was crediting with you being sincere.
Not any more, troll.





No, what you were doing is what you always do troll. You post in a way to try and get a dialog going. The problem is, is that you are a troll. It would be stupid to post a back and forth with you other than to call you on that. Having a sincere dialog with a troll is too funny to contemplate. Having a sincere dialog with someone who knowingly posts lies and propaganda, is again, too funny to contemplate comrade.

What you'll probably do is cut and paste my second sentence into a future post, taking it entirely out of context. Or add it to your signature like any good troll would do. You're a sad piece of work.

T

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Wednesday, January 11, 2023 11:09 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


You're troll, trolling.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2023 11:12 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Soledar captured by Russia.
Expect more of the same soon.

PS: Neener neener neener. THUGR is a weener.
I'm right and you're wrong
Nyah nyah nyah.
Well, that's bc I post reality, but you embrace lies.


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Wednesday, January 11, 2023 1:41 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:
Soledar captured by Russia.
Expect more of the same soon.
You "jumped the gun", Signym. Maybe you should wait until it actually happens rather than prematurely declaring victory?
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/jump--the--gun

Why is Russia so keen to capture the town of Soledar?
By Rob Picheta, Tim Lister and Olga Voitovych, CNN

Updated 11:11 AM EST, Wed January 11, 2023

Fighting is still raging in Soledar, a salt mine town in eastern Ukraine, despite Russian claims that it has gained control of the region.

Should Russian troops indeed capture the town, it would mark Moscow’s first gain in the Donbas for months – potentially offering President Vladimir Putin some welcome news after a string of defeats on the battlefield since last summer.

The significance of Soledar in military terms is minimal. However, its capture would allow Russian forces, and especially the Wagner mercenary group, to turn their focus on nearby Bakhmut, which has been a target since the summer.

Taking Soledar would also represent a symbolic PR win for the man who runs Wagner – oligarch Yevgeny Prigozhin, who has frequently criticized the Russian Defense Ministry’s management of the “Special Military Operation” in Ukraine.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/11/europe/soledar-ukraine-russia-explainer
-intl/index.html


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Wednesday, January 11, 2023 3:28 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Eventually M$M will bow to reality. They'll change their tune in two or three days, or memory hole this altogether.

Why is Kiev fighting so hard for Bakhmut? On the one hand they keep saying it's of no strategic significance. OTOH they keep sending in reinforcements, defending every millimeter.

I think there are a few reasons:

Having to retreat from Bakhmut would be terrible optics, and "Z" hates bad optics

Bakhmut is a road and rail hub for Kiev's defense line

It has eight years of dug-in defenses, and it's Kiev's best defense line. Kiev may not Have an equivalent fallback position, so if they're routed from Bakhmut it might be all the way to the Dnieper.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2023 3:58 PM

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Did he expect a promotion after Mission Accomplished in Ukraine? Not gonna happen. Instead, President Vladimir Putin demoted Russia's top commander in Ukraine, three months after he was installed. Gen Surovikin, dubbed "General Armageddon" for his brutal tactics in previous wars, is demoted to be the deputy of Gen Gerasimov. Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov has been appointed to lead what Russia calls its "special military operation" against its neighbour.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-64235713

Surovikin being demoted to deputy is better for him than mysteriously dying in an "accident" because "General Armageddon" wasn't getting the results -- a quick victory -- he was expected to deliver.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2023 4:27 PM

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Putin fires another general

The Russian army in Ukraine is changing command again. They are now on their third leader:

• February 2022: Army General Aleksandr Dvornikov, the "Butcher of Syria," leads the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

• October 2022: General of the Army Sergey Surovikin, aka "General Armageddon," replaces Dvornikov.

• January 2023: General of the Army Valery Gerasimov, also Chief of the General Staff and Hero of the Russian Federation, replaces Surovkin.

Dvornikov lasted eight months but Surovikin lasted only three. Why?

“They have taken someone who is competent and replaced him with someone who is incompetent, but who has been there a long time and who has shown that he is loyal,” said Dara Massicot, senior policy researcher at the RAND Corporation in Washington. “Whatever is happening in Moscow, it is out of touch with what is happening on the ground in Ukraine.”

Putin keeps going up the chain of command for new generals. But I don't think there are too many more to go before he's leading the army himself.

https://jabberwocking.com/putin-fires-another-general/

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Wednesday, January 11, 2023 5:06 PM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Soledar captured by Russia.
Expect more of the same soon.

PS: Neener neener neener. THUGR is a weener.
I'm right and you're wrong
Nyah nyah nyah.
Well, that's bc I post reality, but you embrace lies.





Holy shit, can anyone say 6 years old. Sorry sig, I didn't know you were 6 or I'd of been kinder. Wow, too funny.

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Wednesday, January 11, 2023 5:58 PM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.


Since Poland is mobilizing 200,000 troops on its eastern border (i.e. with Ukraine) supposedly equipped with all-western weaponry, Russia is probably preparing for an escalation beyond Ukraine's border.




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Wednesday, January 11, 2023 6:47 PM

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Quote:
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Since Poland is mobilizing 200,000 troops on its eastern border (i.e. with Ukraine) supposedly equipped with all-western weaponry, Russia is probably preparing for an escalation beyond Ukraine's border.
That is last year's news, Signym. Have you got anything more recent?

Up to 200,000 Poles to be called up for military training next year

Dec 9, 2022

Under the Homeland Defence Act, in force since April 2022, each year the government issues a decree which provides the number of persons who may be called up for active military service or military exercises. The defence ministry published the guidelines for next year in a draft resolution earlier this month.

Until 2009, Poland had compulsory military service for men, but that was scrapped in favour of a fully professional army. However, in recent years the growing threat of Russia has pushed the government to seek to increase the size and strength of the armed forces.

In 2017, a new Territorial Defence Force was established. This year’s Homeland Defence Act foresees a doubling in the size of the armed forces, from the current 143,500 troops (111,500 professional and 32,000 territorials) to 300,000 (250,000 professional and 50,000 territorials).

https://notesfrompoland.com/2022/12/09/up-to-200000-poles-to-be-called
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Thursday, January 12, 2023 3:42 AM

SIGNYM

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Quote:
CNN, in a shocker, reported on the unfolding disaster today in Soledar and Bahkmut:

A Ukrainian soldier fighting in the eastern town of Soledar told CNN that the situation is “critical” and the death toll is now so high that “no one counts the dead”. 

The soldier is from the 46th air mobile brigade, which is leading Ukraine’s fight to hold onto Soledar in the face of a massive assault from Russian troops and Wagner mercenaries. . . .

He described a dynamic battlefield where buildings change hands daily and units can’t keep track of the escalating death toll. “No one will tell you how many dead and wounded there are. Because no one knows for sure. Not a single person,” he said. “Not at the headquarters. Not anywhere. Positions are being taken and re-taken constantly. What was our house today, becomes Wagner’s the next day.”. . .

The soldier said that he believed Ukraine’s military leaders would eventually abandon the fight for Soledar and questioned why they hadn’t done this yet. “Everyone understands that the city will be abandoned. Everyone understands this,” he said. “I just want to understand what the point [in fighting house to house] is. Why die, if we are going to leave it anyway today or tomorrow?”


https://sonar21.com/endgame-for-ukraine-in-bahkmut/



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Thursday, January 12, 2023 5:44 AM

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Quote:
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Quote:
Why die, if we are going to leave it anyway today or tomorrow?”


https://sonar21.com/endgame-for-ukraine-in-bahkmut/
Russian President Vladimir Putin's forces are "far from" capturing the embattled city of Bakhmut in eastern Ukraine despite recent reported advances in the nearby salt-mining town of Soledar, according to the Institute for the Study of War (ISW). https://www.understandingwar.org/

Some Russian sources have begun discussing "an implausible collapse of the current Ukrainian frontline and a Ukrainian retreat" as far back as the cities of Slovyansk and Kramatorsk in Ukraine's eastern Donetsk region, the think tank observed.

The ISW said current Russian discussion about the "imminent capture of Bakhmut" and the "collapse of Ukrainian defensive lines" are "divorced from the current operational reality in the Bakhmut area, where Russian forces remain far from severing Ukrainian ground lines of communication (GLOCs) needed to encircle Bakhmut."

https://www.newsweek.com/russian-forces-bakhmut-soledar-ukraine-isw-17
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