Russia Invades Ukraine. Again by captaincrunch

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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again

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Thursday, September 26, 2024 3:36 PM

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

So this isn't just Russia saber rattling and bluffing, it's a legitimate response to a potential nuclear threat

By changing their nuclear doctrine, they not only address Ukraine as a potential launch point for the opening salvo of a first strike on Russia, they also cover our missiles in Poland, Romania, or wherever we decide to put them on Russia's border.

The way to eliminate potential accidental nuclear strikes on the USA would be to negotiate nuclear treaties with Russia, on the same "trust but verify" basis as before. But our neocons won't let us.

We are being held hostage by crazies in the State Dept.

It was NOT the neocons. Those treaties ended because of Trump and Putin:

1949 – 2021 Timeline
U.S.-Russia Nuclear Arms Control
https://www.cfr.org/timeline/us-russia-nuclear-arms-control

After political upheaval in the former Soviet Republic drives the pro-Russia president from office, Russian security forces invade Crimea, an ethnic Russian–majority region of Ukraine. With its assault on and subsequent annexation of Crimea, Russia violates its previous pledges to respect Ukraine’s territorial integrity, raising deep concerns about its commitments to arms control. Moscow also begins arming and abetting pro-Russia separatists in southeastern Ukraine. The aggression is widely condemned by Western powers, which impose economic sanctions. The United States also supports Ukraine with military aid. The conflict ends the U.S.-Russia reset and heralds a renewed era of geopolitical rivalry.
2014
2018
U.S. Withdraws From INF Treaty

In August, the Donald J. Trump administration announces it will pull the United States from the Cold War–era pact that bans midrange, ground-launched nuclear missiles. For years, the United States had claimed that Russia tested and deployed a cruise missile prohibited by the treaty, an allegation Moscow denied. The U.S. withdrawal, which takes effect in August 2019, is supported by NATO allies and comes amid a series of disputes with Russia over Ukraine, Syria, and interference in U.S. elections.
2018
2020
Open Skies Under Threat
In November, the United States withdraws from the Treaty on Open Skies. As its rationale, the Trump administration alleges that Russia has been abusing the agreement for years. Many NATO members express regret at the U.S. withdrawal from Open Skies, which they say is useful despite Russia’s noncompliance.
2020
2021
New START Extended

Days before the 2011 treaty is set to expire, the United States and Russia agree to extend New START for another five years, keeping verifiable limits on their arsenals of long-range nuclear weapons. The agreement is one of Joe Biden’s first major foreign policy acts as U.S. president. The Trump administration had tried and failed in its final months to secure a shorter extension to the treaty that would have addressed China’s nuclear weapons.

What happens now after Russia suspends the last nuclear arms treaty with the U.S.?
By Bill Chappell | February 22, 2023 9:21 AM ET
https://www.npr.org/2023/02/22/1158529106/nuclear-treaty-new-start-put
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Putin says Russia "is suspending its participation" in New START, the last remaining nuclear weapons treaty between the U.S. and Russia. The treaty, which took effect in 2011, is set to expire in February 2026.

Don't forget that Trump was also responsible for ending the Iran nuclear treaty:

President Donald J. Trump is Ending United States Participation in an Unacceptable Iran Deal
Issued on: May 8, 2018

"The Iran Deal was one of the worst and most one-sided transactions the United States has ever entered into." -- President Donald J. Trump

PROTECTING AMERICA FROM A BAD DEAL: President Donald J. Trump is terminating the United States’ participation in the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) with Iran and re-imposing sanctions lifted under the deal.

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/briefings-statements/president-do
nald-j-trump-ending-united-states-participation-unacceptable-iran-deal/

Signym, you lied remorselessly about who is responsible for these treaties ending.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, September 27, 2024 7:08 AM

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The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Originally posted by 6IXSTRINGJACK: Thursday, February 24, 2022 2:55 PM
November can't come fast enough.

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Vaccinated People: "You need to get muh vaccination shots that don't work because I got muh vaccination shots that don't work and I'm afraid of people that didn't get muh vaccination shots that don't work because muh vaccination shots that don't work don't work."

6ix, you were an idiot in Feb 2022 and have gotten stupider as time passes, but that is true for all Trumptards. The Republican party has become a social club where losers, Nazis and racists can express their admiration for each other.

Russia rattles the nuclear sabre again, as Ukraine devastates its munitions

Ukraine may have destroyed three months’ worth of Russian ammunition in one night using its drones, and pledges to build ‘several million’ more.

By John T Psaropoulos | 27 Sep 2024

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2024/9/27/russia-rattles-the-nuclear-sa
bre-again-as-ukraine-devastates-its-munitions

Estonian intelligence chief Colonel Ants Kiviselg said the Toropetsk attack may have cost the Russian army three months’ worth of supplies.

“Thirty thousand tonnes of ammunition exploded – that is 750,000 shells,” Kiviselg told news outlet ERR. “This is, in fact, a two- to three-month supply of ammunition. As a result of this attack, the Russian Federation suffered losses in ammunition, and we will see the consequences of this loss on the front in the coming weeks.”

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two

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Friday, September 27, 2024 8:54 AM

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The Russians May Finally Capture Vuhledar. It Has Cost Them Thousands Of Troops, A Thousand Vehicles—And Entire Brigades.

By David Axe | Sep 26, 2024, 07:40pm EDT

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/09/26/the-russians-may-fina
lly-capture-vuhledar-it-has-cost-them-thousands-of-troops-a-thousand-vehicles-and-entire-brigades/

Since late 2022, Russian forces have been trying to capture Vuhledar, a mining town with a pre-war population of 14,000 that anchors the point in Ukraine’s Donetsk Oblast where the southern front line bends left and threads north through eastern Ukraine.

They may finally be on the cusp of succeeding. A determined assault by the Russian army’s 57th Motor Rifle Brigade that kicked off this week has breached the defenses of the Ukrainian army’s 72nd Mechanized Brigade. Now Russian troops are in southern Vuhledar—and the weary Ukrainian garrison may already be retreating to the north.

If the 57th Motor Rifle Brigade captures the bomb-blasted ruins of Vuhledar in the coming days, it’ll be a victory for Russia—but a highly qualified one. Just reaching the outskirts of Vuhledar has cost the Russian armed forces around a thousand vehicles and potentially several thousand troops.

The 72nd Mechanized Brigade’s stubborn defense of Vuhledar—with mines, artillery, anti-tank missiles and drones—has destroyed entire Russian brigades.

A monthslong series of Russian assaults across the fields outside Vuhledar in late 2022 and early 2023 may have been the costliest for the Russians. At the time, Russian operations in this sector were led by a pair of marine units belonging to the Russian navy’s Pacific fleet: the 40th and 155th Naval Infantry Brigades.

The marines’ failed attacks on Vuhledar between November 2022 and February 2023 were among the bloodiest of the war to this point. The 155th Naval Infantry Brigade, which on paper had around 3,000 troops, lost as many as 300 troops a day for days on end and was “nearly destroyed” by February 2023, according to the Warsaw Institute, a Polish think tank.

The Kremlin sent replacement troops—and ordered the 155th Naval Infantry Brigade back into action. It promptly got destroyed again. “The 155th has likely been reduced to combat ineffective status at least twice in the last six months, due to being committed to tactically flawed frontal assaults near Vuhledar,” the U.K. defense ministry concluded in April 2023.

The 40th Naval Infantry Brigade may have fared slightly better, but not by much. Altogether, the marine brigades and supporting army units also wrote off around a thousand tanks, fighting vehicles, trucks and artillery pieces, according to a tally by WarSpotting, a collective that scours social media for evidence of wrecked vehicles in Ukraine.

Not coincidentally, that’s around two brigades’ worth of vehicles—and nearly six percent of all vehicles Russia has lost in 31 months of hard fighting in Ukraine. Ukrainian forces’ own losses in and around Vuhledar were much lighter, as they mostly hunkered in their trenches and bunkers and blasted the attacking Russians from a distance with mines, artillery, missiles and drones.

Today, the 40th Naval Infantry Brigade has shifted a few miles to the west along the southern front, leaving the current attacks on Vuhledar to the army. The third iteration of the 155th Naval Infantry Brigade is up north in Russia’s Kursk Oblast, counterattacking invading Ukrainian forces.

Whether the occupation of the ruins of Vuhledar justifies the repeated destruction of one or both of these brigades is a question only the Kremlin, and the survivors of the ill-fated units, can answer.

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Saturday, September 28, 2024 6:05 AM

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Russian authorities appear to be expending a significant amount of effort to influence the Western debate about allowing Ukraine to use Western-provided weapons to conduct long-range strikes against military objects in Russia. This Russian effort suggests a deep concern with the operational pressures that such strikes into Russia would generate on Russian offensive operations in Ukraine, although US officials remain hesitant to permit Ukraine to conduct such strikes. The New York Times (NYT), citing unnamed US officials, reported on September 26 that US intelligence assessments "play down" the effect that Ukrainian strikes into Russia with US-, UK-, and French-provided long-range missile systems could have on the course of the war in Ukraine due to Ukraine's limited number of such weapons and uncertainty around the future provision of more long-range systems.[20] NYT noted that officials within the US military and Biden administration who support the policy change stated that Western-provided weapons would allow Ukraine to strike more distant Russian bases and ammunition warehouses and force the Russian military to relocate ammunition depots, command posts, attack helicopters, and other materiel out of the range of Western missiles, which the officials noted would significantly complicate Russian supply lines in Ukraine.[21]

Even a small number of successful Ukrainian long-range strikes could have asymmetric impacts and prompt Russian forces to move significant military and storage facilities outside the range of Western-provided weapons and further away from the frontline - complicating Russian logistics in the vicinity of Ukraine. Ukrainian forces previously conducted a series of HIMARS strikes against Russian ammunition depots throughout occupied Ukraine in Summer 2022, which prompted Russian forces to disperse ammunition storage facilities and degraded the efficiency of Russian logistics.[22] Russian authorities are likely concerned about how moving ammunition depots and other critical storage facilities further away from the frontline and outside the range of Western-provided systems will impact Russian offensive capabilities in Ukraine and appear to be engaged in a significant rhetorical effort to prevent the West from allowing Ukraine to conduct another similarly significant strike campaign.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-september-27-2024

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Saturday, September 28, 2024 8:02 AM

SIGNYM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Russian authorities appear to be expending a significant amount of effort to influence the Western debate about allowing Ukraine to use Western-provided weapons to conduct long-range strikes against military objects in Russia.

Everybody gets this wrong, even alt sources who have posted the facts.

This is not a debate about 'allowing' Ukraine to to anything.
Ukraine specialisrs can not program these missiles.
They don't have the know how and, more importantly, they don't have physical access to the (proptietary, secret) ground mapping data and software.

Software which exists on Storm Shadow(UK) and Scalp (France) missiles as well as American.

This is about USA MILITARY SPECIALISTS TARGETING RUSSIAN SITES FROM UKRAINIAN SOIL.

Furthermore, since the USA is a nuclear power, an attack on Russia BY THE USA from Ukrainian soil could be the first part of a first (nuclear) strike on Russia, which would be an existential threat.

Anyone who starts a post or video about "allowing Ukraine" is pissing nonsense or deliberately lying.

Now you know the truth.
Try not to let SECOND bury it, like he tries to bury most truths.

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

Americans support America

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Saturday, September 28, 2024 10:08 AM

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Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

This is about USA MILITARY SPECIALISTS TARGETING RUSSIAN SITES FROM UKRAINIAN SOIL.

Furthermore, since the USA is a nuclear power, an attack on Russia BY THE USA from Ukrainian soil could be the first part of a first (nuclear) strike on Russia, which would be an existential threat.

Anyone who starts a post or video about "allowing Ukraine" is pissing nonsense or deliberately lying.

Now you know the truth.
Try not to let SECOND bury it, like he tries to bury most truths.

Biden makes surprise visit to Ukraine for first time since full-scale war began
Mon February 20, 2023

Biden visiting Ukraine is sufficient justification for Russia to declare war on Washington, if and when Putin feels the need in his groin. But if Putin does go to war, it will be a very different one than with Ukraine.

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