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So much cope in so many posts...

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And so much fear mongering.

Be afraid.

Very afraid...

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So, THUGR, I did some quick calcs of my own:

MediaZona counts appx 75,000 Russian dead.
Say 100,000 to account for missed deaths.
5 wounded per 1 death is 500,000
Plus dead is 600,000.
That comes pretty close to the figure reported.

So I looked at your original link, and

I see you've been a victim of deceptive reporting.

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The US confirms Russia has lost over half a million soldiers

On October 9th, a senior U.S. defense official revealed that Russia has suffered over 600,000 [dead? dead plus wounded?] in Ukraine since Vladimir Putin ordered the full-scale invasion of the country in February 2022.

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Not 600,000 dead.

The story as reported on other sites makes that very clear.

And FWIW "wounded" does not mean severely wounded or permanently disabled. It just means "wounded". Many wounded are treated and returned to battle, the number depending on whether field medicine is available and evacuation is prompt.

FWIW Russian reports of successes (# of weapons destroyed, # of enemy soldiers killed, ground taken) is reliable. Conservative, even, since bombs and missiles bury a lot under rubble, making it impossible to count the # of dead/ wounded, or # weapons destroyed, and Russian MOD doesn't consider an area taken until it's been cleared, de-mined etc.

But the MoD is very, very quiet about losses. As is to be expected.

I expect Ukraine to be very quiet about losses too. But Kiev exaggerates its successes to the point of laughability.

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And personal insults!!



I'll stop if you will

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And so much fear mongering.

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Volodymyr Zelensky presented his "victory plan" , with which he has recently traveled around Europe and the United States. Its main provisions:

1. Inviting Ukraine to NATO even before the end of the war .

2. Continuation of operations on Russian territory and lifting of restrictions on strikes on its territory . Joint shooting down of Russian aircraft with partners, expansion of the use of Ukrainian drones and missiles; access to partners' intelligence.

3. Deployment of a “comprehensive non-nuclear strategic deterrence package” on the territory of Ukraine. [secret on exact nature]

4. Development of Ukraine's strategic-economic potential and strengthening of sanctions against the Russian Federation. Europe and the USA can start extracting and protecting Ukrainian resources, otherwise Russia will seize them .

5. The US contingent in Europe after the war will be replaced by Ukrainian military personnel , using their experience to strengthen the defense of NATO and Europe.

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It's interesting but it's not gonna happen.

This is Zelensky's last, desperate plea for help. In it, he offers to open Ukraine's legs wide, ready for rape, if they will defend him from Russia. The message seems to be "Hey, I know you investors [Black Rock, IMF, Bayer, Pfizer, Parexel, Shell etc etc] won't get to pillage Russia like you planned, but you can pillage me!"

It is also blackmail: If you don't help, all your investments will go tits-up.

It's also -finally, and perhaps mostly- an excuse for internal consumption, because this deal was already proposed to Biden* and the EU, and reportedly already refused. "I did everything I could, it was the west, who promised us 'as long as it takes' and abandoned us".

He should have looked at our history of keeping our promises. Or not.

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Volodymyr Zelensky presented his "victory plan" , with which he has recently traveled around Europe and the United States. Its main provisions:

1. Inviting Ukraine to NATO even before the end of the war .

He should have looked at our history of keeping our promises. Or not.

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Volodymyr Zelensky presented his "victory plan" , with which he has recently traveled around Europe and the United States. Its main provisions:

1. Inviting Ukraine to NATO even before the end of the war .

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He should have looked at our history of keeping our promises. Or not.


THUGR: NATO opens its doors: Putin is furious

NATO Secretary General, Mark Rutte, said on Thursday that Ukraine would be a NATO member state in the future.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/nato-opens-its-doors-putin-is-fur
ious/ar-AA1sqGxT?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=a9da6415c7084524a21ab39e671b55fe&ei=15

Oops

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Volodymyr Zelensky presented his "victory plan" , with which he has recently traveled around Europe and the United States. Its main provisions:

1. Inviting Ukraine to NATO even before the end of the war .

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He should have looked at our history of keeping our promises. Or not.


THUGR: NATO opens its doors: Putin is furious

NATO Secretary General, Mark Rutte, said on Thursday that Ukraine would be a NATO member state in the future.

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Stolenberg said the same. But it has to be approved by all NATO members, and chances are near- zero that will happen.

Rutte is just blowing hot air.

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