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Trump Says North Korean Soldiers 'Wiped Out' in Ukraine War

Feb 19, 2025 at 1:03 PM EST

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-says-many-north-korea-soldiers-killed-r
ussia-ukraine-war-2033140


President Donald Trump has weighed in on North Korean troop losses in Ukraine, saying "a large portion have been wiped out."

"Russia wants to do something. They want to stop the savage barbarianism. I mean, what's going on over there? Its soldiers are being killed by the thousands on a weekly basis—it's ridiculous," he said.

"And they're not American soldiers, they're Russian soldiers and they're Ukrainian soldiers, largely, although a lot of Koreans have been killed as you know, quite a bit of them have been killed they came over to fight and a large portion have been wiped out but we want to we want to end it, it's a senseless war."

He likened the battlefield to the Civil War battle of Gettysburg, referencing gruesome images that "you don't see, but I see."

It's believed this was the first time Trump referenced North Korean troop casualties in public.


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Europe Eyes Unprecedented €700 Billion Military Aid Plan for Ukraine

In 3 years European sent $140.16 billion versus U.S. sending $110 billion to Ukraine

By Vlad Litnarovych | Feb 18, 2025

https://united24media.com/latest-news/europe-eyes-unprecedented-eur700
-billion-military-aid-plan-for-ukraine-5981


The European Union is reportedly working on a multi-billion-euro defense package to support Ukraine’s war effort, with German Foreign Minister Annalena Baerbock hinting at the sheer scale of the upcoming package, suggesting it could be worth around $732.2 billion (€700 billion), German media Berliner Zeitung reported on February 18.

However, EU leaders recognize the sensitivity of the plan. According to Bloomberg, the spending initiative will only be announced after Germany’s regional elections on February 23 to avoid controversy before the vote.

Select European heads of state met in Paris on Monday to coordinate their response after U.S. officials urged Europe to take concrete action.

“We will launch a large package, the likes of which we have never seen before,” Baerbock told Bloomberg during the Munich Security Conference.

“Just as we had a financial package for the euro crisis or COVID-19, we now need one for European security. This will happen soon.”

Speaking on Bloomberg Television, Lithuanian Defense Minister Dovile Sakaliene stressed that Europe must prepare for a dramatic shift in its security landscape:

“Realization that it’s not the U.S. which will defend Europe, but Europe defending ourselves with help from the U.S. means we will all have to move fast, Germany included,” he said.

Baerbock added that peace can only be achieved through strength, stating that “this requires hard and long-term security guarantees for Ukraine, a strong NATO, and progress in Ukraine’s EU accession talks.”

“As Europeans and as Germans, we stand firmly with Ukraine — militarily, humanitarianly, and financially. Since Russia’s full-scale invasion, we, Europeans, have provided over $140.16 billion (€134 billion) in aid to Ukraine, with Germany contributing nearly $46 billion (€44 billion) alone.”

Baerbock further stressed that Europe’s unity is its greatest strength, stating:

“Despite our differences, we move forward together — from Paris to Munich. As Europeans, we must take greater responsibility for our own security. Given the existential threat we face, a major collective effort is required to safeguard our peace and prosperity.”

Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk and European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen also made it clear that Europe’s response to Trump’s stance will be increased military spending.

“If we, Europeans, fail to spend big on defense now, we will be forced to spend 10 times more if we don’t prevent a wider war. As the Polish PM, I’m entitled to say it loud and clear, since Poland already spends almost 5% of its GDP on defense. And we will continue to do so,” Tusk wrote on X.

Arriving in Paris, von der Leyen echoed this urgency, writing that “we need an emergency mindset” and “we must reinforce defense now.”

German Chancellor Olaf Scholz voiced support for an EU emergency mechanism that would allow massive increases in defense spending — a proposal pushed by von der Leyen at the Munich Security Conference last week.

Under this plan, EU nations would be exempt from debt and deficit limits when financing military expenditures. This marks a fundamental shift in EU financial policy, as such exemptions have previously been impossible under EU rules.

The new multi-billion-euro defense package could be financed through joint EU debt, similar to the COVID-19 recovery fund.

Earlier, NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte declared that Europe is ready to take the lead in providing security guarantees for Ukraine following an “emergency summit” in Paris.

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Defiant Ukrainian Drone Operators Followed Fiber Optic Cables To Track A Russian Drone Team Back To Its Base

By David Axe | Feb 19, 2025, 07:46pm EST

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2025/02/19/spotting-fiber-optic-
cables-reflecting-sunlight-defiant-ukrainian-drone-operators-tracked-a-russian-drone-team-back-to-its-base
/

The drone operators from the Ukrainian national guard’s Kara Dag Brigade may not have realized they were committing a profound act of political defiance when, on or just Tuesday, they hunted down a Russian drone team on the snowy battlefield just south of Vodyane in eastern Ukraine’s southern Donetsk Oblast.

The same day, U.S. and Russian negotiators met in Riyadh to discuss closer ties between Russia and the United States and possible paths toward ending the war in Ukraine — on terms favoring Russia, the aggressor. Russia would keep the roughly 20 percent of Ukraine it occupies.

Notably, Ukraine was not invited to send its own diplomats to the talks.

And as the United States veered away from longstanding alliances with European democracies and toward a brutal authoritarian regime, U.S. Pres. Donald Trump tried to shift blame for Russia’s three-year wider war on Ukraine onto Ukraine. “You should have never started it,” Trump said from his Florida estate, addressing Ukrainian leaders who did not start the war.

“You could have made a deal,” Trump added, apparently unaware that Ukraine did make a deal with Russia — the 2014 Minsk Accord — and that Russia used the deal as cover to rearm for further attacks on Ukraine.

But there’s very little the United States can do to compel Ukraine to stop fighting against its Russian invaders and their North Korean allies. And Ukrainian Pres. Volodymyr Zelensky knows it. “If we didn’t accept this ultimatum at the most difficult time, why there is a feeling that Ukraine will accept it now?” he said.

Contrary to Trump’s claim, the United States is not Ukraine’s biggest supporter. With European pledges of $130 billion versus U.S. pledges of $110 billion, “Europe as a whole has clearly overtaken the U.S. in terms of Ukraine aid,” the Kiel Institute in Germany noted.

As Trump led his party, his administration and the country he governs into Russia’s authoritarian embrace on Tuesday, Zelensky immediately pivoted — meeting or calling Turkish Pres. Recep Tayyip Erdogan and French Pres. Emmanuel Macron to firm up European support for a continuing Ukrainian war effort.

Meanwhile, a German official has hinted at a possible $730 billion European aid deal that, if enacted in the coming months, could radically transform Ukraine’s military and sustain Ukrainian resistance for years.
https://united24media.com/latest-news/europe-eyes-unprecedented-eur700
-billion-military-aid-plan-for-ukraine-5981


All that is to say, Ukraine can keep fighting regardless of what Trump says. And that Ukrainian drone patrol near Vodyane on Tuesday demonstrated this enduring capacity for resistance.

The Kara Dag Brigade operators were hunting for Russian drone teams. In particular, teams deploying fiber-optic drones that send and receive signals via millimeters-thick wires rather than via radio — a method of control that helps the operators circumvent intensive Ukrainian radio jamming.

Ukraine has fewer troops and less artillery than Russia, but it has more and better drones, many of which are made in Ukraine and paid for with Ukrainian and European funds.

Preserving that drone advantage — and thus preserving Ukraine’s main means of resistance — requires the Ukrainians blunt any effort by the Russians to boost their own robotic capabilities. Spotting the reflection of fiber-optic cables, the Kara Dag Brigade operators showed the way forward for the Ukrainian Unmanned Systems Forces and its legion of drones.

They followed the sunlight-reflecting fibers back to the Russian team’s hidden base in a clutch of snow-covered buildings — and struck the hapless Russian operators with explosive first-person-view drones.

It was a tactical victory with a strategic message. America may choose to bow to Russia, but Ukraine doesn’t have to.

Sources:

1. Kara Dag Brigade via WarTranslated

2. The New York Times

3. Kiel Institute https://www.ifw-kiel.de/publications/news/ukraine-support-after-3-year
s-of-war-aid-flows-remain-low-but-steady-shift-towards-weapons-procurement
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4. Volodymyr Zelensky

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Meat in the Grinder

Russian milbloggers continue to raise alarm about the Russian military command's poor treatment of wounded personnel. A Russian milblogger published an address reportedly from a battalion commander in the 5th Motorized Rifle Brigade (51st Combined Arms Army [CAA], formerly 1st Donetsk People's Republic [DNR AC], Southern Military District [SMD]) to wounded personnel who requested to be pulled from combat, in which the battalion commander reprimanded the injured soldiers for using their injury payments and complaining about their injuries.[82] Another Russian milblogger and former Storm-Z instructor, who frequently complains about systemic issues in the Russian military, criticized the battalion commander for his reprimands.[83] The milblogger accused the battalion commander of failing to manage his forces and criticized the commander's belief that being able to shoot a gun is sufficient recovery from an injury.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-february-19-2025


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'I think NATO is over': Retired general declares death of key U.S. alliance

By Sarah K. Burris | February 19, 2025 5:07PM ET

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-nato-2671184645/

For 76 years, NATO has prevented war, but not anymore, so long as Trump is President.

"Unfortunately, my own view is the damage is done," he said of Trump's failures in foreign policy. "It's now irrevocable. There's not a shred of rational argument among European powers to trust the United States' commitment to NATO and Article Five."

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Zelenskyy commits cardinal sin: he tells the truth about Trump

All America’s allies know that Trump is trapped in a disinformation bubble, but Zelenskyy said it out loud

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/19/kyivs-white-house-wooing
-implodes-as-zelenskyy-tells-the-truth-about-trump


Trump, he observed, is “trapped in this disinformation bubble”. He was stating the obvious, but not even Zelenskyy could have known how fetid the air inside Trump’s bubble has become. Now we know.

Trump’s tirade on his own app, Truth Social, is a distillation of the greatest hits of Russian disinformation from the past three years. He said Zelenskyy was “A Dictator without Elections” (something Trump has never said about Putin) who had hoodwinked the Biden administration into a $350bn war of choice, which only “TRUMP” could fix. The president’s repeated references to himself in the third person and all caps erased any lingering doubts about the single unifying compulsion now driving Trump foreign policy.

The child who guilelessly points out the emperor has no clothes is the hero of the folk tale, but the emperor in Hans Christian Andersen’s story did not have a vast nuclear arsenal and the world’s mightiest army. Telling the truth is cathartic, but getting into a personal spat with Trump amid the dizzying euphoria of his restoration to the Oval Office risks serious damage to your country.

That begs the question: what will work with Trump now? He admires autocrats and is eager to please them, but that is not really an option for the world’s remaining democracies. The hope in western European capitals, based on patchy evidence from the first Trump term, is that if they can make discreet common cause with the calmer heads around Trump he can be gently steered away from his more extreme whims.

In that regard, they have some faith in Marco Rubio and Trump’s special envoy, Steve Witkoff. They may be able to talk the president out of his stated plan to own and ethnically cleanse Gaza, if only because it would be so disastrous for the US. But from the evidence of Trump’s rants, the poison about Ukraine has seeped deeper into the president’s nervous system.

Zelenskyy’s best option might be to persevere with the offer of an American share in Ukraine’s rare earths. Trump’s first offer was to take half of the spoils with no security guarantees in return. But the absurd opening offer is likely to be just part of his “art of the deal” brinkmanship. Further negotiations may distract him, like a dog with a bone, from his profound pro-Putin impulses.

It is a long shot. It is also an act of faith to believe this Trump episode in American history will eventually pass. But we are not even one month into his chaotic second term. For a country like Ukraine, facing an existential threat, it is going to be a very long four years.

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Ukraine’s capitulation means entire West fall - Polish Prime Minister

February 20, 2025, 07:12 AM

https://english.nv.ua/nation/tusk-ukraine-s-fate-will-decide-the-futur
e-of-the-west-50491669.html


A forced capitulation of Ukraine will amount to the collapse of the entire Western community, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk wrote on X on Feb. 19.

His statement comes amid US-Russia negotiations in Riyadh and controversial remarks by Donald Trump, who echoed Russian propaganda claims and downplayed Ukraine’s role in the talks.

"A forced capitulation of Ukraine would mean a capitulation of the whole community of the West," he wrote.

Tusk emphasized that this outcome will have global consequences.

"And let no one pretend that they don’t see this," he added.

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Ukraine’s capitulation means entire West fall - Polish Prime Minister

February 20, 2025, 07:12 AM

https://english.nv.ua/nation/tusk-ukraine-s-fate-will-decide-the-futur
e-of-the-west-50491669.html


A forced capitulation of Ukraine will amount to the collapse of the entire Western community, Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk wrote on X on Feb. 19.

His statement comes amid US-Russia negotiations in Riyadh and controversial remarks by Donald Trump, who echoed Russian propaganda claims and downplayed Ukraine’s role in the talks.

"A forced capitulation of Ukraine would mean a capitulation of the whole community of the West," he wrote.

Tusk emphasized that this outcome will have global consequences.

"And let no one pretend that they don’t see this," he added.

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I feel bad for Poland. They're one of the only few European countries that are keeping all the Democrats and Muslims and other gutter trash out of their country.

They celebrate the fact that whites are a minority in London now.

Europe was already invaded a long time ago.

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I feel bad for Poland. They're one of the only few European countries that are keeping all the Democrats and Muslims and other gutter trash out of their country.

They celebrate the fact that whites are a minority in London now.

Europe was already invaded a long time ago.

I believe your racism is showing.

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Revealed: Trump’s confidential plan to put Ukraine in a stranglehold

By Ambrose Evans-Pritchard | Mon, February 17, 2025 at 10:00 AM CST

https://www.yahoo.com/news/revealed-trump-confidential-plan-put-160000
461.html


Donald Trump’s demand for a $500bn (£400bn) “payback” from Ukraine goes far beyond US control over the country’s critical minerals. It covers everything from ports and infrastructure to oil and gas, and the larger resource base of the country.

The terms of the contract that landed at Volodymyr Zelensky’s office a week ago amount to the US economic colonisation of Ukraine, in legal perpetuity. It implies a burden of reparations that cannot possibly be achieved. The document has caused consternation and panic in Kyiv.

The Telegraph has obtained a draft of the pre-decisional contract, marked “Privileged & Confidential’ and dated Feb 7 2025. It states that the US and Ukraine should form a joint investment fund to ensure that “hostile parties to the conflict do not benefit from the reconstruction of Ukraine”.

The agreement covers the “economic value associated with resources of Ukraine”, including “mineral resources, oil and gas resources, ports, other infrastructure (as agreed)”, leaving it unclear what else might be encompassed. “This agreement shall be governed by New York law, without regard to conflict of laws principles,” it states.

The US will take 50pc of recurring revenues received by Ukraine from extraction of resources, and 50pc of the financial value of “all new licences issued to third parties” for the future monetisation of resources. There will be “a lien on such revenues” in favour of the US. “That clause means ‘pay us first, and then feed your children’,” said one source close to the negotiations.

It states that “for all future licences, the US will have a right of first refusal for the purchase of exportable minerals”. Washington will have sovereign immunity and acquire near total control over most of Ukraine’s commodity and resource economy. The fund “shall have the exclusive right to establish the method, selection criteria, terms, and conditions” of all future licences and projects. And so forth, in this vein. It seems to have been written by private lawyers, not the US departments of state or commerce.

President Zelensky himself proposed the idea of giving the US a direct stake in Ukraine’s rare earth elements and critical minerals on a visit to Trump Tower in September, hoping to smooth the way for continued arms deliveries.

He calculated that it would lead to US companies setting operations on the ground, creating a political tripwire that would deter Vladimir Putin from attacking again.

Some mineral basins are near the front line in eastern Ukraine, or in Russian-occupied areas. He has played up the dangers of letting strategic reserves of titanium, tungsten, uranium, graphite and rare earths fall into Russian hands. “If we are talking about a deal, then let’s do a deal, we are only for it,” he said.

He probably did not expect to be confronted with terms normally imposed on aggressor states defeated in war. They are worse than the financial penalties imposed on Germany and Japan after their defeat in 1945. Both countries were ultimately net recipients of funds from the victorious allies.

A new Versailles

If this draft were accepted, Trump’s demands would amount to a higher share of Ukrainian GDP than reparations imposed on Germany at the Versailles Treaty, later whittled down at the London Conference in 1921, and by the Dawes Plan in 1924. At the same time, he seems willing to let Russia off the hook entirely.

Donald Trump told Fox News that Ukraine had “essentially agreed” to hand over $500bn. “They have tremendously valuable land in terms of rare earths, in terms of oil and gas, in terms of other things,” he said.

He warned that Ukraine would be handed to Putin on a plate if it rejected the terms. “They may make a deal. They may not make a deal. They may be Russian someday, or they may not be Russian someday. But I want this money back,” he said.

Trump said the US had spent $300bn on the war so far, adding that it would be “stupid” to hand over any more. In fact the five packages agreed by Congress total $175bn, of which $70bn was spent in the US on weapons production. Some of it is in the form of humanitarian grants, but much of it is lend-lease money that must be repaid.


Republican Senator Lindsey Graham suggested at the Munich Security Conference over the weekend that Trump’s demand was a clever ploy to bolster declining popular support for the Ukrainian cause. “He can go to the American people and say, ‘Ukraine is not a burden, it is a benefit,’” he said.

Sen Graham told the Europeans to root hard for the idea because it locks Washington into defending a future settlement. “If we sign this minerals agreement, Putin is screwed, because Trump will defend the deal,” he said.

Ukrainian officials had to tiptoe though this minefield at the Munich forum, trying to smile gamely and talking up hopes of a resource deal while at the same pleading that the current text breaches Ukrainian law and needs redrafting. Well, indeed.

Talk of Ukraine’s resource wealth has become surreal. A figure of $26 trillion is being cast around for combined mineral reserves and hydrocarbons reserves. The sums are make-believe.

Ukraine probably has the largest lithium basin in Europe. But lithium prices have crashed by 88pc since the bubble burst in 2022. Large reserves are being discovered all over the world. The McDermitt Caldera in Nevada is thought to be the biggest lithium deposit on the planet with 40m metric tonnes, alone enough to catapult the US ahead of China.

The Thacker Pass project will be operational by next year. The value of lithium is in the processing and the downstream industries. Unprocessed rock deposits sitting in Ukraine are all but useless to the US.

It is a similar story for rare earths. They are not rare. Mining companies in the US abandoned the business in the 1990s because profit margins were then too low. The US government was asleep at the wheel and let this happen, waking up to discover that China has acquired a strategic stranglehold over supplies of critical elements needed for hi-tech and advanced weapons. That problem is being resolved.

Ukraine has cobalt but most EV batteries now use lithium ferrous phosphate and no longer need cobalt. Furthermore, sodium-ion and sulphur-based batteries will limit the future demand growth for lithium. So will recycling. One could go on. The mineral scarcity story is wildly exaggerated.

As for Ukraine’s shale gas, a) some of the Yuzivska field lies under Putin control, and b) the western Carpathian reserves are in complex geology with high drilling costs, causing Chevron to pull out, just as it did in Poland. Ukraine has more potential as an exporter of electricity to Europe from renewables and nuclear expansion, but that is not what is on Donald Trump’s mind.

The second violation of Ukraine

Ukraine cannot possibly meet his $500bn demand in any meaningful timeframe, leaving aside the larger matter of whether it is honourable to treat a victim nation in this fashion after it has held the battle line for the liberal democracies at enormous sacrifice for three years. Who really has a debt to whom, may one ask?

“My style of dealmaking is quite simple and straightforward,” says Trump in his book The Art of the Deal. “I aim very high, and then I just keep pushing and pushing and pushing to get what I’m after.”

In genuine commerce the other side can usually walk away. Trump’s demand is iron-fist coercion by a neo-imperial power against a weaker nation with its back to the wall, and all for a commodity bonanza that exists chiefly in Trump’s head.

“Often-times the best deal you make is the deal you don’t make,” said Trump, offering another of his pearls.

Zelensky does not have that luxury. He has to pick between the military violation of Ukraine by Putin, and the economic violation of Ukraine by his own ally.

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Russia is reportedly increasing its production of glide bombs and modernizing its cruise missiles. The Royal United Services Institute (RUSI) reported on February 14 that the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) plans for Russia to produce more than 750 9M723 Iskander ballistic missiles and more than 560 Kh-101 cruise missiles in 2025.[68] RUSI stated that Russia is adding a wider variety of warheads, including cluster warheads, to Kh-101 missiles and have upgraded the camera and processing units such that the missiles can perform much better visual terrain tracking and avoid disruption from Ukrainian electronic warfare (EW) during the missile's terminal phase. RUSI reported that the Russian MoD ordered over 70,000 glide bombs for 2025 — up from 40,000 produced glide bombs in 2024.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campai
gn-assessment-february-20-2025


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