Russia Invades Ukraine. Again by captaincrunch

Don't bother. Ted is doesn't even understand that Headlines are attached to Articles.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:29 PM

Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:39 PM _ I posted, "I am an independent."

You aggerate lies with some facts comrade. And I have no intention of going down one of your rabbit holes to prove it; again. And the larger point is you still push Putin's agenda. I'm sure Putin would pat you on the head for being loyal. Nonetheless, you won't live there.

T

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:31 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

I just can't believe someone is that stupid, and insists on staying that stupid.
I understand SECOND, he's a malevolent personality and just want an excuse to hate.
But THGR seems like a genuinely moral person who wants people and government to do the right thing.

:shakes head:

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:31 PM

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Originally posted by THG:

You aggerate lies with some facts comrade. And I have no intention of going down one of your rabbit holes to prove it; again. And the larger point is you still push Putin's agenda.

You don't ever prove anything, idiot.

You get your ass handed to you several times on a daily basis, and then you run away from threads where you started shit when your little bitch ass is put in its place again.

You're always wrong about everything, and you never learn any lessons.

Keep doing what you're doing.

And deny that you're a Democrat all you want, but YOU are one of the reasons that everybody hates Democrats.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:33 PM

Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:39 PM _ I posted, "I am an independent."

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:

Don't bother. Ted is doesn't even understand that Headlines are attached to Articles.

Fix your sentence scholar.

T

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:36 PM

Either get back on your meds, or get off of them.

I'll destroy you all night if you want to stick around, cocksucker.

I'm sure you've got better things to do. Don't you loser?

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:37 PM

Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:39 PM _ I posted, "I am an independent."

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by THG:

You aggerate lies with some facts comrade. And I have no intention of going down one of your rabbit holes to prove it; again. And the larger point is you still push Putin's agenda.

You don't ever prove anything, idiot.

You get your ass handed to you several times on a daily basis, and then you run away from threads where you started shit when your little bitch ass is put in its place again.

You're always wrong about everything, and you never learn any lessons.

Keep doing what you're doing.

And deny that you're a Democrat all you want, but YOU are one of the reasons that everybody hates Democrats.

I know I gave you a 4 or 5 sentence response and you still cut it. So sad comrade Gilligan.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:37 PM

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Fix your sentence scholar.

My sentence is fine. Your sentence is missing the comma after sentence.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:38 PM

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I know I gave you a 4 or 5 sentence response and you still cut it. So sad comrade.

Who the fuck are you kidding, cocksucker?

You are illiterate and completely incapable of writing 4 or 5 sentences.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:40 PM

Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:39 PM _ I posted, "I am an independent."

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by THG:
Fix your sentence scholar.

My sentence is fine. Your sentence is missing the comma after sentence.

"Ted is doesn't even understand that Headlines are attached to Articles."

Nope no comma needed. And your sentence is fucked up.

T

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:42 PM

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I just can't believe someone is that stupid, and insists on staying that stupid.
I understand SECOND, he's a malevolent personality and just want an excuse to hate.
But THGR seems like a genuinely moral person who wants people and government to do the right thing.

:shakes head:

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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

I don't think he's a moral person. I used to think that he might be, but it's become quite apparent that he's just a dopamine addict who was addicted to saying all the right things for years while the Legacy Media gave him an "atta boy" for being a mindless bullhorn for their messaging.

Look at how vile he's become in the last month or two, even attacking Brenda several times.

They took away his drugs.

Hopefully he can heal himself now that his drug supply was cut off and he doesn't just kill himself.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:43 PM

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Originally posted by THG:
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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
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Originally posted by THG:
Fix your sentence scholar.

My sentence is fine. Your sentence is missing the comma after sentence.

"Ted is doesn't even understand that Headlines are attached to Articles."

Nope no comma needed. And your sentence is fucked up.

T

Yes. The comma is needed. No. My sentence was fine.

You are an idiot.

Go to bed, little boy. I grow weary of your faggotry and fuckery.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:44 PM

Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:39 PM _ I posted, "I am an independent."

You guys are so funny...

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:45 PM

You ain't getting the last word here.

Shut the fuck up and go to bed.

It's lights out for Dipshit Ted.

I'm sure you'll have plenty of fake news to repost tomorrow along with some new Flag Football court case wins that will be appealed and tossed in the fuckin' bin, just like they all are and just like I told you they all would be.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 9:52 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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Originally posted by THG:
You aggerate lies with some facts comrade. And I have no intention of going down one of your rabbit holes to prove it; again. And the larger point is you still push Putin's agenda. I'm sure Putin would pat you on the head for being loyal. Nonetheless, you won't live there.

I aggregate facts with facts, dummy.

Number of dead civilians, UN. Number of missiles and drones CSIS. Go figure. Literally.

You don't want to go this "rabbit hole" (which really isn't that deep, but too deep for you, apparently!) bc you know I'm right and you're wrong.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 10:13 PM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

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THGR:
Nope no comma needed. And your sentence is fucked up.

A missing comma is the difference between

"Let's eat, grandma!" i.e. urging grandma to the table and
"Let's eat grandma!" i.e. eating grandma for dinner.

A copy editor showed me that. It's still funny!

But you're right about SIX'S sentence.

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Tuesday, September 9, 2025 10:45 PM

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But you're right about SIX'S sentence.

Oh... so he is.

Good for you, Theodore.

We're over 9 months into 2025 and you finally got a win against me.

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THGR:
Nope no comma needed. And your sentence is fucked up.

You're missing a period after Nope though, buddy. And obviously the capitalization for "No" after you put that period where it belongs.

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Wednesday, September 10, 2025 6:25 AM

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NATO States Have Failed

They have not prepared and do not understand their national interests

By Phillips P. OBrien | Sep 10, 2025

https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/nato-states-have-failed

We are witnessing the constant failure of NATO states to accurately assess their security concerns and national interests. Last night’s “training wheel” attack by the Russians on Poland (and that is what it was) shows how the states of the alliance have not bothered to prepare properly for not only future war—but the war that is staring them right now in the face. Moreover, their constant weakness to this point has emboldened Russian to flagrantly violate NATO airspace while reinforcing the idea that NATO states have no idea how to look after their own security. They cannot even call an attack, an attack.

A “Training Wheel” Attack

First off—the Russian attack was, in terms of what Ukraine experiences on a nightly basis, child’s play. If you look at the map of the attacks on Ukraine last night, you will see in the far left corner, the very small number of Russian systems that made their way to Poland. I have put a red box around them.

The exact number of Russian UAVs used in the attack on Poland might creep into the low double digits. At first there were reports that the attack was made up of only 8 or 9 systems, though the Ukrainians are now saying that it could have reached up to 14.

As Ukraine is regularly subjected to attacks with more than 400, 500 even 600 Russian systems, what Poland experienced was the equivalent of between 2% and 3% of a Russian nightly attack these days. Moreover, Russian attacks on Ukraine are composed of a dangerous mix of UAVs, cruise missiles and ballistic missiles, the attack on Poland was just Shahed type UAVs. And not just that, NATO had much greater warning than Ukraine. These systems were fired from Russia and had to travel over Ukraine (and partly Belarus) to reach Poland in the first place. They should have been identified as possible threats much earlier and defense preparations put in place with plenty of time.

It should have been child’s play for NATO.

In Ukrainian terms this was what would be termed a quiet night that would probably not even have made the news.

NATO’s Response Was Woeful

NATO states seem to have no idea of reality. Donald Tusk, normally measured in his analysis, described the Russian UAV attack on Poland as “huge” last night.

Much more at https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/nato-states-have-failed

Conclusion

So we are witnessing institutional and national failure in front of our very eyes. NATO states, even front line ones, have clearly not prepared for war of the type that is happening now. They do not have the capabilities to deal with what Ukraine has to contend with on a nightly basis—and yet NATO resources are massively greater than Ukraine can ever hope to have.

Moreover, NATO and NATO states still do not have the ability to call a spade a spade. For all their huffing and puffing, they will not designate a Russian attack, an attack.

And finally, they have not understood the true strategic peril they are in. What last night showed was how the security of NATO states is hugely reliant on the independence and power of Ukraine. They needed Ukraine as a massive early warning buffer to even mount this weak effort. If the Russians were able to launch 600 systems directly at NATO, the result in most NATO states would be carnage.

The Ukrainians must be looking at NATO and shaking their heads in disbelief.

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Wednesday, September 10, 2025 8:21 AM

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President Vladimir Putin is worried about how large numbers of soldiers returning from the war in Ukraine could disrupt society.

Authorities in Moscow hope to avoid unrest like after the Soviet war in Afghanistan, when returning veterans helped fuel organized crime in the 1990s, one source told Reuters. Another source insisted that Russia’s political system and law enforcement agencies are “stronger” today than they were in 1989, when the Afghan war ended shortly before the Soviet collapse.

However, once back in civilian life, many veterans will unlikely be able to match the high salaries they earned at the front, raising the risk of discontent, one of the Kremlin sources said.

Since 2022, recruiters have boosted sign-on bonuses and drawn heavily from Russia’s prisons.

Between 120,000 and 180,000 convicts have been sent to fight, according to prison service data. Most of those now returning are convicts, severely wounded soldiers or men unfit for combat.

Putin has said around 700,000 Russian troops remain in Ukraine.

In 2023, Russia’s Defense Ministry changed rules that had allowed convicts to return from the war after six months of service, arguing they should not get better terms than volunteers. Still, a chief concern for the future is that prisoners turned soldiers, once they return to civilian life, will go on to commit crimes.

The exiled news outlet Vyorstka reported earlier this year that Russian soldiers had killed nearly 400 people after coming home since the war began.

Amid those reports, lawmakers are urging the government to expand training for therapists to treat combat-related PTSD.

Russia’s Defense Ministry estimates that one in five war veterans suffers from PTSD, according to Sardana Avksentyeva, the deputy leader of the center-right New People party. Meanwhile, estimates suggest that Russia has fewer than one therapist for every 7,000 adults, and even fewer with experience treating combat trauma.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/09/09/kremlin-uneasy-about-return-
of-ukraine-war-veterans-reuters-a90471

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Wednesday, September 10, 2025 9:11 AM

Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:39 PM _ I posted, "I am an independent."

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President Vladimir Putin is worried about how large numbers of soldiers returning from the war in Ukraine could disrupt society.

Authorities in Moscow hope to avoid unrest like after the Soviet war in Afghanistan, when returning veterans helped fuel organized crime in the 1990s, one source told Reuters. Another source insisted that Russia’s political system and law enforcement agencies are “stronger” today than they were in 1989, when the Afghan war ended shortly before the Soviet collapse.

However, once back in civilian life, many veterans will unlikely be able to match the high salaries they earned at the front, raising the risk of discontent, one of the Kremlin sources said.

Since 2022, recruiters have boosted sign-on bonuses and drawn heavily from Russia’s prisons.

Between 120,000 and 180,000 convicts have been sent to fight, according to prison service data. Most of those now returning are convicts, severely wounded soldiers or men unfit for combat.

Putin has said around 700,000 Russian troops remain in Ukraine.

In 2023, Russia’s Defense Ministry changed rules that had allowed convicts to return from the war after six months of service, arguing they should not get better terms than volunteers. Still, a chief concern for the future is that prisoners turned soldiers, once they return to civilian life, will go on to commit crimes.

The exiled news outlet Vyorstka reported earlier this year that Russian soldiers had killed nearly 400 people after coming home since the war began.

Amid those reports, lawmakers are urging the government to expand training for therapists to treat combat-related PTSD.

Russia’s Defense Ministry estimates that one in five war veterans suffers from PTSD, according to Sardana Avksentyeva, the deputy leader of the center-right New People party. Meanwhile, estimates suggest that Russia has fewer than one therapist for every 7,000 adults, and even fewer with experience treating combat trauma.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/09/09/kremlin-uneasy-about-return-
of-ukraine-war-veterans-reuters-a90471

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Putin has broken Russia. He has broken every part of her for decades to come. Industry, agriculture, male population, you name it. It’s so bad he couldn’t end the war if he wanted. The moment the fighting stops Russia collapses.

It would have collapsed already but for Trump. Mr. tough guy has been smacked down by Putin, Xi Jinping, Kim Jong Un, Narendra Modi, Benjamin Netanyahu, shit every other world leader that matters. What a pussy. What a loser. What a moron.

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Wednesday, September 10, 2025 9:11 AM

Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:39 PM _ I posted, "I am an independent."

And does comrade signym really think Putin is going to conquer anything?

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Wednesday, September 10, 2025 11:48 AM

Fuck Ukraine. Nobody cares.

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Fuck Ukraine. Nobody cares.

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Russia attacked Poland last night. We are going to find out whether Trump will uphold the NATO treaty which says if one country is attacked by Russia, all NATO members will counterattack.

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Russia Is Losing the War—Just Not to Ukraine

A war meant to catalyze national revival has instead become a case study in national self-harm.

By Jeremy Shapiro | September 10, 2025, 9 AM ET

https://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2025/09/russia-ukrai
ne-public-putin/684146/

Vladimir Putin, we’ve been told since the start of the war in Ukraine, has goals that extend well beyond territory: He seeks to upend the post–Cold War international order, to reconstruct the Soviet sphere of influence, and to allow Russia to reassume its rightful position as a world power equal to the United States. Bilateral summits, such as the recent one between Donald Trump and Putin in Anchorage, offer a symbolic recognition of that aspiration—as Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov highlighted not so subtly by showing up in Alaska wearing a CCCP (U.S.S.R.) sweatshirt.

But summits and sweatshirts won’t make Russia a superpower. Only a credible show of strength can do that. The war in Ukraine was meant to supply this, but it has instead become a slow-motion demonstration of Russia’s decline—less a catalyst of national revival than a case study in national self-harm.

Moscow has devoted considerable resources, manpower, and political will to its invasion of the country next door. In purely military terms, it has managed not to lose and may even be eking its way toward some sort of attritional victory in the Donbas. But even if it consolidates its territorial gains and keeps Ukraine out of NATO, Russia will have won only a pyrrhic victory, mortgaging its future for the sake of a few bombed-out square kilometers. In other words, Russia is effectively losing the war in Ukraine—not to Ukraine, but to everyone else.

In virtually any likely end-of-war scenario, Ukraine will remain a hostile, Western-armed neighbor—a permanent sucking wound on Russia’s western flank. Europe will continue to embargo Russian goods and build its energy future without Russia’s Gazprom. The Russian army, having shown itself moderately adaptable to modern warfare, will nonetheless be gutted of equipment, bereft of its best cadres, and reliant on foreign suppliers. To reconstitute it will take years and many billions of dollars. By then, Russia’s supposed mastery of modern drone warfare will probably be obsolete.

While Russia obsesses over Ukraine, its erstwhile friends and clients are quietly slipping away. In Africa, Wagner’s heirs struggle to hold their franchises together, and China and the Gulf states are buying up influence, drawing from far deeper pockets. In the Middle East, Moscow’s old claim to be an indispensable broker appears totally vacuous.

Nowhere is this clearer than in Syria. Moscow once celebrated its involvement in that country’s civil war as part of a “Russian resurgence” that would restore the country to the ranks of great powers, showing that it could project influence and outmaneuver Washington in the Middle East. Now Syria has become a symbol of overstretch. The Bashar al-Assad regime, whose survival Putin once touted as existential for Russia, disappeared with barely a murmur from Moscow, leaving Turkey, Israel, the Gulf States, and the United States to carve up influence in the land it once ruled.

The South Caucasus were once Moscow’s backyard playground: Azerbaijan and Armenia long depended on Russia for security guarantees, arms supplies, and mediation of their conflicts. Russia’s implicit promise to Armenia was that its membership in the Collective Security Treaty Organization and its deep ties with the Russian military (as well as the Russian peacekeepers deployed on the disputed territory) would ensure protection against Azerbaijani aggression. But in 2020 and again 2023, Azerbaijan routed Armenia in the territory contested between the two states, showing how little weight Russian promises carried. Now the United States is negotiating peace between the two countries—something unimaginable even four years ago.

The one place Russia has effectively influenced is Europe, where NATO has expanded to include Finland and Sweden, and states have increased their military spending, courtesy of Russian belligerence. Putin appears to have engineered a strange geopolitical bargain: Moscow sacrifices its demographically scarce young men in the Donbas so that Europeans will finally buy air defenses.

At home, Russia’s wartime economy looks like a parody of Soviet stagnation, exactly what Putin warned against in the early years of his presidency. Factories churn out shells and missiles even as the rest of the world invests in artificial intelligence, green technology, and microchips. The Kremlin has succeeded in building a fortress economy, but one that is fortified against the future more than against the enemy. This would be funny if it weren’t so tragic for Russia’s prospects: a petrostate doubling down on oil and artillery in the middle of a technological revolution. The Kremlin says it’s waging a war of destiny; in reality, it’s missing the 21st century.

The clearest proof that Russia is not winning lies in Beijing. Russia is running down its stocks of precision missiles, and without access to Western components, it has grown ever more dependent on imports from China to sustain its military machine. Each missile in turns costs millions of dollars (for example, approximately $1 million to $2 million for a Kalibr cruise missile) and increases Russia’s need for fossil-fuel exports and capital. China is now Russia’s largest oil customer, accounting for nearly 40 percent of Russian fossil-fuel-export revenue in 2025 so far (at discounted rates), and has also become its main source of foreign credit; Western finance has dried up because of the sanctions.

Far from making Russia a superpower, Russia’s war against Ukraine has relegated it from would-be empire to China’s disgruntled junior partner. For Xi Jinping, this war is a gift. It is diverting Western resources and bleeding Russia, all at bargain prices. For Putin, it’s a trap.

Both Russia’s defenders and its enemies suggest that a successful campaign in Ukraine will somehow produce a stronger, reinvigorated Russia capable of posing an immediate threat to Europe and beyond. But what exactly would Moscow have “won”? An angry, revanchist neighbor; a more unified, hostile Europe; a ruined economy; a gutted army; reduced international influence; and a boss in Beijing. That is not victory but self-inflicted decline.

This is perhaps why the Kremlin seems so uninterested in ending the war. A compromise peace would not expose a defeat on the battlefield but rather something far worse: the absence of any larger strategy. As one economist put it, “The Russian regime has no incentive to end the war and deal with that kind of economic reality. So it cannot afford to win the war, nor can it afford to lose.”

In sacrificing its global influence for the chance to spend the past year pulverizing the previously unheard-of city of Pokrovsk in the Donbas, Russia has proved not its resilience but its near irrelevance. Russia has not rediscovered its imperial destiny. It has discovered only that it can still destroy—and that destruction is just about all that its foreign policy has to offer.

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Wednesday, September 10, 2025 12:00 PM

Fuck Ukraine. Nobody cares.

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Fuck Ukraine. Nobody cares.

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Trump cares a tiny amount:

'Here we go': Trump reacts after Russian drones shot down over Poland

"What's with Russia violating Poland's airspace with drones?" Trump said.

By Michelle Stoddart, Morgan Winsor, and Tomek Rolski | September 10, 2025, 10:47 AM

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/polish-foreign-minister-putin-laughs-t
rumps-peace-efforts/story?id=125440375

Last week, Trump pledged to help Poland protect itself during a bilateral meeting with President Nawrocki at the White House.

"We're with Poland all the way," Trump said at the time.

Polish Foreign Minister Radek Sikorski had strong words for Trump during a news conference on Wednesday, telling reporters Russian President Vladimir Putin "laughs" at Trump's peace efforts.

"Putin laughs at President Trump's peace efforts," Sikorski said. "Since Alaska, he has only intensified the war. I hope that [Trump] backs his words with action."

In response to the overnight incursion, the U.S. Ambassador to NATO, Matthew Whitaker, posted a short message on X: "We stand by our NATO Allies in the face of these airspace violations and will defend every inch of NATO territory."

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Russia’s Reckless Provocation

Whether by accident or malice, the Russians are risking a wider war in Europe.

By Tom Nichols | September 10, 2025, 4:42 PM ET

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2025/09/russia-reckless-prov
ocation/684163/

Overnight, NATO fired shots against multiple Russian weapons that violated the alliance’s airspace. According to Polish authorities, at least 19 Russian drones crossed into Poland last night, prompting a response from Polish and Dutch jets backed by support units from Germany and Italy. Polish Prime Minister Donald Tusk told his Parliament it was “the closest we have been to open conflict since World War Two.” (He added, hopefully, that he had “no reason to believe we’re on the brink of war.”)

When the first reports arrived last night about a handful of drones crossing into Poland, the incursion looked like a possible Russian error, a small number of off-course units from a massive salvo of more than 400 drones sent against Ukraine. The air over Ukraine is full of hazards, and Ukrainian and Russian electronic warfare can send unmanned vehicles spiraling away from their intended targets. For the first time, however, some of these drones crossed into Poland from Belarus; Minsk says these were errant units affected by jamming and that Belarus itself shot some of them down (but without saying who owned them). However, at least one senior Polish general believes that the drone attack was a joint Russian-Belarusan operation.

A few drones, or even six or seven, are one thing. Nineteen spread across much of eastern Poland is a different matter entirely. As Ian Fleming’s notorious villain Goldfinger said to James Bond after repeatedly finding 007 meddling in his affairs: “Mr. Bond, they have a saying in Chicago: Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it’s enemy action.”

It’s too early to reach a definitive conclusion on Russian motives last night. Whether by accident or malice, the Russians are risking a wider war in Europe. The only path to reducing such a threat is for Moscow to call off its campaign of butchery in Ukraine, and only the Americans can bring enough diplomatic, financial, and military power to bear to convince the Kremlin that it can never win this war.

Unfortunately, the Americans are AWOL. Whatever Donald Trump said to Vladimir Putin in Alaska clearly didn’t matter. (More likely, to judge from events since the Anchorage embarrassment, Putin did the talking, warned Trump to get out of his way, and then boarded his plane, leaving Trump with egg on his face and a lot of steak and halibut that no one ate.) Since then, the American defense establishment has been busy: The White House and the Pentagon have been fixated on insulting Tom Hanks, blowing up a Venezuelan speedboat, and helping Secretary of Whatever Pete Hegseth change the signs on his office.

While Washington bumbles about, however, America’s allies are facing genuine danger from Russia’s weapons, and they are reaching worrisome conclusions. The Poles see last night’s drone incursion as an intentional attack. The Germans see it as a major provocation, and NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte today warned Russia: “Stop violating Allied airspace. And know that we stand ready, that we are vigilant, and that we will defend every inch of NATO territory.” The Poles may be right that this violation of their territory was intentional, though if it was an accident, it would only show that the Russians have become even more reckless, and that the Kremlin simply doesn’t care if its military operations trigger a conflagration. Obviously, Russia is not raising the curtain on World War III with fewer than two dozen drones. But the willful violation of Polish airspace suggests that Putin is testing NATO, and probing the steadiness of the West’s nerves—and America’s resolve—as he escalates his attacks on Ukraine.

The Russians, for their part, have already issued a classic non-denial denial. A Russian diplomat in Warsaw said that Poland had offered no proof that the drones belonged to Moscow—a creative explanation, to say the least, and one undermined by a statement from the Russian Defense Ministry that “targets for destruction in Poland were not planned.” (“Not planned,” of course, does not mean “we didn’t do it.”) The Russians said they are “ready to hold consultations with the Polish Ministry of Defence on this issue,” which also makes little sense if the drones didn’t belong to them.

Today, Poland exercised its rights under Article 4 of the NATO treaty, which allows any member of the alliance to call a meeting “whenever, in the opinion of any of them, the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the Parties is threatened.” That’s a major step: It means that 32 countries, representing the most powerful military organization on Earth, including three nuclear-armed nations, were summoned to discuss what happened last night. (It is, however, a far less drastic move than invoking Article 5, which would require a unanimous finding from NATO that one of their members, and therefore all of its members, has been attacked.)

Hypothetically, the United States of America is the leader of this alliance. Here is the latest statement from President Trump on last night’s events:

“What’s with Russia violating Poland’s airspace with drones? Here we go!”

“Here we go?” Here we go where? A president who understands his responsibilities as the leader of the free world would normally, at such a moment of crisis, confer with the leaders of other nations, convene his advisers, and issue a statement that reaffirms America’s willingness to defend its allies. Instead, Trump sent out a post on his Truth Social site that sounded like that of a flailing stand-up comic: Russia violates Poland’s airspace? What’s up with THAT, folks? So far, the White House has said only that Trump will consult today with Polish President Karol Nawrocki, which is the least he can do almost a full day after the first time in its history that NATO engaged hostile targets over the alliance’s own territory.

Many Americans seem to have forgotten that a major war is raging in Europe—the largest since the great struggle between the Allies and the Axis powers. Last night, that war came closer to America and its allies. The president and his coterie may think this is a game, or just another problem that Trump can solve by talking to people on the phone. But this is a deadly serious business, far beyond the capabilities of former talk-show hosts or a gaggle of oddball conspiracy theorists. Russia’s dictator is courting disaster, and the safety of Europe—and the world—is at stake. When will the United States and its president finally stand up to Putin?

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Russian officials denied that the drones came from Russia and attempted to deflect blame onto Ukraine.

The Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) claimed on September 10 that Russia did not target anything “for destruction” on Polish territory in their overnight strike series and that the maximum flight range of the drones that Russian forces launched overnight against Ukraine was 700 kilometers and therefore could not have violated Polish airspace.[16] The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) claimed that the Russian MoD’s claims “debunk” Polish “myths,” which the Russian MFA claimed aim to further escalate the war in Ukraine.[17]

A Ukrainian source reported, however, that Russia may have equipped the drones with auxiliary fuel tanks that could have extended their range beyond 700 kilometers and that Russia may have modified these drones to be different than the ones Russia uses against Ukraine, casting doubts on the Russian MoD’s claim about the drone ranges.[18]

Kremlin Spokesperson Dmitry Peskov responded to the drone incursion into Poland and claimed that the EU and NATO accuse Russia of provocations every day without evidence.[19]

The Polish MFA summoned the Russian Chargé d’affaires to Poland Andrey Ordash in response to the airspace violation.[20] Ordash claimed to journalists after the meeting that the drones came from the direction of Ukraine, that Russia has not received any evidence that the drones were of Russian origin, and that Russia does not anticipate Poland being able to present any such evidence. Ordash claimed that Poland constantly blames Russia for emergencies in Poland.

https://understandingwar.org/research/russia-ukraine/russian-offensive
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War Is In the Eye Of the Beholder

The State of the European Union speech took place while the Russian drone incursion into Poland was still unfolding. And that's pretty much the state of the EU, Minna Ålander writes.

By Minna Ålander | Sep 11

https://phillipspobrien.substack.com/p/war-is-in-the-eye-of-the-behold
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Hello Everyone,

While Russia escalates drone attacks into NATO territory, the US sits on its hands. Luckily, European NATO members handled the latest incursions just like the forward deployed forces are meant to. I hope that next time, we shoot every drone down and not just those that pose an “immediate threat”, without pausing to wonder whether they strayed intentionally or not. Safeguarding your territory from stray drones is not an escalation, whereas sending more than 20 of them into Polish air space is. It’s also long overdue to start shooting down whatever is flying in Western Ukrainian airspace and can constitute a threat to NATO territory. With the US on board or not.

Yours,
Minna

War Is In the Eye Of the Beholder

On 10 September 2025, the EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen’s State of the European Union (SOTEU) speech took place in a dramatic context. The night had just seen more than 20 Russian drones flying into Polish air space and Poland shooting down the drones that posed a direct threat, with Dutch allies on NATO deployment in Poland helping out. Poland also requested Article 4 consultations, NATO's formal mechanism short of a military response for member states whose security is threatened. Basically just a formalised consultation – Poland had been consulting with allies all night anyways.

Against this background, almost everything was somehow relevant for the wider question of Europe’s ability to defend itself in this year’s SOTEU speech. The challenges Europe is faced with are not limited to the number of tanks or fighter jets (or drones) European armies have at their disposal, but encompasses everything from digital sovereignty to trade. In many of these areas, Europe’s dependence on the United States – or China – has proven dangerous, if not even fatal. And Ursula von der Leyen set the bar high: she did not speak of “strategic autonomy” anymore, but of Europe’s “independence” moment.

The speech was good and worth reading – or watching in order not to miss some spicy reactions from the plenary https://audiovisual.ec.europa.eu/en/media/video/I-276884 (when von der Leyen addressed efforts to combat disinformation, the president of the European Parliament had to call some MEPs into order). Of the many interesting things von der Leyen said regarding European security and defence, the sentence “Europe will defend every inch of its territory” was perhaps the most remarkable one – because it copies NATO’s 2022 pledge to “defend every inch of Allied territory”. Europe alone, and especially the EU as an institution, has no structures in place today to actually provide collective defence outside of NATO. But that may well be the future. For what it’s worth, the challenge that nobody in Europe has been willing to say out loud is now out there.

So far, however, it is painfully clear that the EU has no means to respond to aggression. That Russia targeted specifically EU leadership and institutions two weeks ago, with the two missiles that only missed the EU delegation headquarters in Kyiv by some 50 metres and the GPS interference of Ursula von der Leyen’s plane upon landing in Bulgaria, was indicative that Russia was picking on the easiest victim. Targeting EU leadership – at least short of assassination – would not immediately trigger even NATO consultations, and the EU itself probably cannot trigger its own mutual assistance clause (Art. 42.7 TEU).

Ukraine keeps featuring high up on Europe’s security agenda. That Poland and NATO allies shot down some of the drones using highly sophisticated and expensive fighter jets, further underlines the urgency of the announced new initiatives to boost Europe’s catchup with drone technology – such as the Eastern Flank Watch including a drone wall, the Qualitative Military Edge for investment in Ukraine’s military capabilites, and the drone alliance with Ukraine (initial funding €6 bn).

Incursions into NATO air space by stray drones or missiles have been a fairly frequent occurrence throughout Russia's full-scale war in Ukraine. But both this latest attack and the NATO response to it mark a new development: Russia crossed the threshold of unintentionality and NATO countries shot down Russian drones for the first time. What follows largely depends on whether Russia will repeat the test. But this could be interpreted as an act of war – if one so chose (and that will not be the preferred choice in Europe). In any case, Polish prime minister Donald Tusk stated that the incident brought Poland closest to open conflict since the Second World War.

Russia initially vaguely denied any intention to attack Poland and later demanded evidence that the drones were in fact Russian. Belarus, in turn, claimed that the drones went astray due to electronic jamming. But Polish and other NATO countries' ministers and experts say that the incursions were no accident. The number of drones directed into Poland is points to a deliberate test, another indicator is that most of the drones were either intelligence and surveillance drones or decoys.

Be it as it may, the Russian drone incursions into Polish air space call for long overdue measures: shooting down stray drones and missiles whenever they pop up in NATO air space. As I wrote last week, already the near-hit of the EU delegation and the GPS incident would have warranted a European air defence deployment at least to Kyiv to secure Europeans operating there. In addition to diplomatic representations, European defence industry sites and joint ventures in Ukraine could be considered for air defence deployments. Waiting for a ceasefire that clearly is not happening anytime soon is disingenuous, and European citizens can see through their leaders’ empty posturing.

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Thursday, September 11, 2025 9:52 AM

I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.

Can I bring clarity to the hysteria? The drones that entered Polish airspace were cheap decoy drones. No warheads, no explosives. As an "attack", it left much to be desired.

IDK why those drones crossed the border, but it seems to have more downside than upside. Creating a potential casus belli (cause for war) over decoy drones? That's the kind of provocation Ukrainians or the "coalition of the willing" would LOVE, bc it might re-engage Trump in NATO and Ukraine. Donald Tusk, Polish PM, was all ready to jump on the war bandwagon before an investigation.

Whatever info might have been gained on Poland's air defenses hardly seems worth it, and I doubt there even were any Russian surveillance aircraft near enough to monitor anyway.

Maybe it was just a bunch of misprogrammed drones, or drones brought off course by jamming. Or maybe they really were launched by Kiev, bc one drone supposedly made its way 300 km into Poland ... far beyond the range of any drone launched from Russia. Or maybe that last bit never happened. There's a lot of squawking and feathers flying.

Still trying to understand what happened.

PS; von der Leyen"s plane was never jammed. No other planes in the area reported similar problems.

AFA the EU reaching for "independence" ... without a source of cheap, reliable energy in its home territory, any attempt at "independence" could be an exercise in economic wrist-slitting.

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Thursday, September 11, 2025 10:15 AM

Thursday, September 28, 2017 5:39 PM _ I posted, "I am an independent."

Quote:
Originally posted by SIGNYM:

"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal."- Henry Kissinger

The quote refers to a specific situation and the possible perceptions around it, rather than reflecting Kissinger’s general view of friendship with the United States.

Your incessant need to bash America comrade is why you misrepresent what Kissinger meant. Naturally, because you are a Russian troll. A true American wouldn’t do that. You already know this because SECOND explained it to you long ago, comrade. It's only one of the many reasons why you are known as comrade around here.

too funny...

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