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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Friday, November 21, 2025 12:58 AM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Friday, November 21, 2025 3:04 AM
Quote: Putin In Military Fatigues Announces Another Key Ukrainian City Captured Thursday, Nov 20, 2025 - 11:45 PM Kupiansk, an important rail junction in the northeastern Kharkiv region, has been taken by Russia's military on Thursday, in another example of Moscow forces steadily, even if slowly, gobbling up territory along the front lines. President Putin was all business, showing up in military fatigues as commander-in-chief for a televised briefing from the defense ministry. Without doubt these optics were crafted to signal strength to the West, at a moment the Trump White House is floating a new 28-point peace plan.
Friday, November 21, 2025 6:06 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Friday, November 21, 2025 6:10 AM
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Friday, November 21, 2025 2:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Russia ‘prepared to take enormous strategic risks’ to test NATO, top Swedish general warns Europe must prepare for a “generational” war with Russia, Swedish Chief of Defense Michael Claesson told POLITICO. https://www.politico.eu/article/russia-prepared-to-take-enormous-strategic-risks-to-test-nato-top-swedish-general-michael-claesson-warns/ Russia will soon test NATO's Article 5 collective defense treaty and Europe must be prepared to use force to deter Moscow, Claesson said. Claesson said Europe was not prepared either mentally or militarily for a war with Russia, which he described as "a systemic conflict… that will take a long time to solve." "We are basically talking about a generation … this is something that will not go away with potential ceasefire or a peace agreement in Ukraine."
Quote: A Russian soldier, with his face blurred, poses in front of the bodies of three Ukrainian soldiers lying face down in a pool of blood, their hands clasped behind their heads. The image, shared by the Russian Rusich unit on its Telegram channel
Friday, November 21, 2025 2:59 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: OMG, the fear-mongering! IDK if Europeans have had the...
Friday, November 21, 2025 3:07 PM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Quote:Originally posted by second: Conclusion
Friday, November 21, 2025 5:23 PM
Quote: Putin Issues Response To Trump Peace Plan After Zelensky, Europe Balk Friday, Nov 21, 2025 - 07:58 AM Update(1300ET): Russia's President Putin has responded to the Trump peace plan for the first time, after Zelensky and Europe had earlier issued either mixed or negative statements, Speaking at a Russian Security Council meeting Friday, Putin began by alluding to the August Alaska summit, "During the discussions, the American side asked us to make certain compromises," he said. According to more via state media translation: According to the Russian president, Moscow confirmed during the talks that it agreed with the peace proposals. However, he added that after the Alaska meeting there was a pause from the US side, which he attributed to Ukraine’s rejection of Trump’s draft. This is why the “modernized plan” containing 28 points appeared later, Putin said, adding that Moscow has the document. “I believe it could also form the basis of a final peace settlement. But this text is not being discussed with us in substance,” Putin said. So generally this is a positive signal to Washington from Putin. However, given the negative reactions simultaneously coming from European leaders, who are busy talking on Zelensky on coming up with a counter-plan, the Kremlin has also made clear it will not be involved in "megaphone diplomacy." Putin is issuing a bit of an ultimatum and warning of his own...
Saturday, November 22, 2025 8:27 AM
Saturday, November 22, 2025 9:07 AM
Quote:Dan Driscoll kept everyone waiting. The United States secretary of the Army had been due to arrive earlier today at the U.S. ambassadors residence in Kyiv to speak with diplomats from NATO member states. The guests were eager to hear about the 28-point peace plan Driscoll had delivered on behalf of the Trump administration to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. But what they heard when Driscoll finally got there left some of the Europeans infuriated. “I feel nauseous,” one diplomat told us afterward. “It’s like the world is shattering around us, and we are watching it in real time.”
Saturday, November 22, 2025 12:41 PM
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Saturday, November 22, 2025 2:23 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: The EU needs to fall and the European people need to take their countries back from the unelected who have spent the last 20 years destroying them.
Saturday, November 22, 2025 3:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: The EU needs to fall and the European people need to take their countries back from the unelected who have spent the last 20 years destroying them.The EU was established to prevent France and Germany from attacking each other, as they did in the Franco-Prussian War of 1870, WWI, and WWII.
Saturday, November 22, 2025 4:15 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Incorrect. The EU was created to flood European nations with hostile foreign immigrants and destroy their heritage and history, just like you globalist Democrats tried and failed to do here. They were doing a great job of it too, but now people are finally waking up and fighting back. We will destroy the Muslim invaders and we will take our countries back. Liberalism worldwide is dying. Pat yourself on the back. You killed it. -------------------------------------------------- Be Nice. Don't be a dick.
Quote:Originally posted by second: Incorrect. The EU was created to flood European nations with hostile foreign immigrants and destroy their heritage and history, just like you globalist Democrats tried and failed to do here. They were doing a great job of it too, but now people are finally waking up and fighting back. We will destroy the Muslim invaders and we will take our countries back. Liberalism worldwide is dying. Pat yourself on the back. You killed it. -------------------------------------------------- Be Nice. Don't be a dick.
Saturday, November 22, 2025 4:18 PM
Saturday, November 22, 2025 5:00 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Quote:Originally posted by second: Incorrect. The EU was created to flood European nations with hostile foreign immigrants and destroy their heritage and history, just like you globalist Democrats tried and failed to do here. They were doing a great job of it too, but now people are finally waking up and fighting back. We will destroy the Muslim invaders and we will take our countries back. Liberalism worldwide is dying. Pat yourself on the back. You killed it. -------------------------------------------------- Be Nice. Don't be a dick. Really impressive how bad you are, 6ixStringJoker. The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Saturday, November 22, 2025 5:41 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: You're the evil, America-last motherfucker here, dude. Fuck you. Fuck your dead religion and cult. You're done. Finished. Get the fuck out of my country. Go to Ukraine. See if they want you. I'm sure they don't. Nobody does. -------------------------------------------------- Be Nice. Don't be a dick.
Saturday, November 22, 2025 5:43 PM
Saturday, November 22, 2025 5:54 PM
Quote:Originally posted by 6ixStringJack: Shut the fuck up, degenerate. -------------------------------------------------- Be Nice. Don't be a dick.
Saturday, November 22, 2025 5:57 PM
Saturday, November 22, 2025 8:36 PM
Quote: 1) Ukraine’s sovereignty will be confirmed. 2) A comprehensive and comprehensive [sic] non-aggression agreement will be concluded between Russia, Ukraine and Europe. All ambiguities of the last 30 years will be considered settled. 3) It is expected that Russia will not invade neighbouring countries and NATO will not expand further. 4) A dialogue will be held between Russia and NATO, mediated by the United States, to resolve all security issues and create conditions for de-escalation in order to ensure global security and increase opportunities for cooperation and future economic development. 5) Ukraine will receive reliable security guarantees. 6) The size of the Ukrainian Armed Forces will be limited to 600,000 personnel. 7) Ukraine agrees to enshrine in its constitution that it will not join NATO, and NATO agrees to include in its statutes a provision that Ukraine will not be admitted in the future. 8) NATO agrees not to station troops in Ukraine. 9) European fighter jets will be stationed in Poland. 10) US guarantee: The US will receive compensation for the guarantee. If Ukraine invades Russia, it will lose the guarantee. If Russia invades Ukraine, in addition to a decisive coordinated military response, all global sanctions will be reinstated, recognition of the new territory and all other benefits of this deal will be revoked. If Ukraine launches a missile at Moscow or St. Petersburg without cause, the security guarantee will be deemed invalid. 11) Ukraine is eligible for EU membership and will receive short-term preferential access to the European market while this issue is being considered. 12) A powerful global package of measures to rebuild Ukraine, including but not limited to: The creation of a Ukraine Development Fund to invest in fast-growing industries, including technology, data centres, and artificial intelligence. The United States will cooperate with Ukraine to jointly rebuild, develop, modernise, and operate Ukraine’s gas infrastructure, including pipelines and storage facilities. Joint efforts to rehabilitate war-affected areas for the restoration, reconstruction and modernisation of cities and residential areas. Infrastructure development. Extraction of minerals and natural resources. The World Bank will develop a special financing package to accelerate these efforts. 13) Russia will be reintegrated into the global economy: The lifting of sanctions will be discussed and agreed upon in stages and on a case-by-case basis. The United States will enter into a long-term economic cooperation agreement for mutual development in the areas of energy, natural resources, infrastructure, artificial intelligence, data centres, rare earth metal extraction projects in the Arctic, and other mutually beneficial corporate opportunities. Russia will be invited to rejoin the G8. 14) Frozen funds will be used as follows: $100 billion in frozen Russian assets will be invested in US-led efforts to rebuild and invest in Ukraine. The US will receive 50% of the profits from this venture. Europe will add $100 billion to increase the amount of investment available for Ukraine’s reconstruction. The remainder of the frozen Russian funds will be invested in a separate US-Russian investment vehicle that will implement joint projects in specific areas. This fund will be aimed at strengthening relations and increasing common interests to create a strong incentive not to return to conflict. 15) A joint American-Russian working group on security issues will be established to promote and ensure compliance with all provisions of this agreement. 16) Russia will enshrine in law its policy of non-aggression towards Europe and Ukraine. 17) The United States and Russia will agree to extend the validity of treaties on the non-proliferation and control of nuclear weapons, including the START I Treaty. 18) Ukraine agrees to be a non-nuclear state in accordance with the Treaty on the Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons. 19) The Zaporizhzhya [sic] Nuclear Power Plant will be launched under the supervision of the IAEA, and the electricity produced will be distributed equally between Russia and Ukraine — 50:50. 20) Both countries undertake to implement educational programmes in schools and society aimed at promoting understanding and tolerance of different cultures and eliminating racism and prejudice: Ukraine will adopt EU rules on religious tolerance and the protection of linguistic minorities. Both countries will agree to abolish all discriminatory measures and guarantee the rights of Ukrainian and Russian media and education. All Nazi ideology and activities must be rejected and prohibited. 21) Territories: Crimea, Luhansk and Donetsk will be recognised as de facto Russian, including by the United States. Kherson and Zaporizhzhia will be frozen along the line of contact, which will mean de facto recognition along the line of contact. Russia will relinquish other agreed territories it controls outside the five regions. Ukrainian forces will withdraw from the part of Donetsk Oblast that they currently control, and this withdrawal zone will be considered a neutral demilitarised buffer zone, internationally recognised as territory belonging to the Russian Federation. Russian forces will not enter this demilitarised zone. 22) After agreeing on future territorial arrangements, both the Russian Federation and Ukraine undertake not to change these arrangements by force. Any security guarantees will not apply in the event of a breach of this commitment. 23) Russia will not prevent Ukraine from using the Dnieper River for commercial activities, and agreements will be reached on the free transport of grain across the Black Sea. 24) A humanitarian committee will be established to resolve outstanding issues: All remaining prisoners and bodies will be exchanged on an ‘all for all’ basis. All civilian detainees and hostages will be returned, including children. A family reunification programme will be implemented. Measures will be taken to alleviate the suffering of the victims of the conflict. 25) Ukraine will hold elections in 100 days. 26) All parties involved in this conflict will receive full amnesty for their actions during the war and agree not to make any claims or consider any complaints in the future. 27) This agreement will be legally binding. Its implementation will be monitored and guaranteed by the Peace Council, headed by President Donald J. Trump. Sanctions will be imposed for violations. 28) Once all parties agree to this memorandum, the ceasefire will take effect immediately after both sides retreat to agreed points to begin implementation of the agreement.
Saturday, November 22, 2025 9:19 PM
Sunday, November 23, 2025 8:54 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The 28-point "peace plan" . . . Shabby and unprofessional. I've written MOUs better than that!
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