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Nobody cares.

Keep pushing this bullshit until November and see where it gets you.

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Originally posted by second:

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Nobody cares.

Keep pushing this bullshit until November and see where it gets you.

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6ix, you've said a million times you don't care. I see the same attitude in all the Trump voters I know, with no exceptions. You guys are a combination of extreme selfishness with ineptitude at getting what you want out of life, plus a yellow streak of cowardliness. Obviously you wouldn't care, just so long as gasoline is cheap, and you are safe at home, far away from danger. And you will vote that way in November. You Trumptards are so pitiful and worthless as human beings, but with your huge egos protecting your feelings from self-knowledge, you can't see how insignificant all your little achievements are as you routinely go about your short, fearful and essentially futile lives.

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Are you aware of the fact that a lot of people HATED Saddam Hussein .

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Are you aware of the fact that a lot of people HATED Saddam Hussein .

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Yup, and now he's dead. Is that your point?

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The Ukrainian Sovereignty Act of 2022 would ensure Ukrainians, whether they are US citizens or not, can seek monetary damages through the US courts for any losses incurred as a result of the Russian invasion, paid out by assets seized from Russia or Russian oligarchs the US government has sanctioned.

Tens of billions of dollars the Bank of Russia has stored in the US, not to mention the seized assets of other Russians and Russian entities facing sanctions, could be available to help compensate Ukrainian refugees and survivors of the war.

Ukraine could file a lawsuit in the United States and use any Russian funds to help rebuild the hospitals, schools and other structures that the Russian military destroyed during this unlawful invasion.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/11/opinions/ukraine-russia-monetary-damage
s-legislation/index.html

H.R.7205 - Ukrainian Sovereignty Act of 2022
https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7205/text

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Basically the USSA is robbing Russia, just like it robbed Libya, Iran, Venezuela, Iraq etc.

Makes the U$D an even riskier place to park assets.

I hope very few western-leaning Ukies return to Ukraine. Let them enjoy their refugee status in the collective west!

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Despots go after the press first.

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Despots go after the press first.

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That explains the USA.

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Originally posted by SignyM:

Basically the USSA is robbing Russia, just like it robbed Libya, Iran, Venezuela, Iraq etc.

Makes the U$D an even riskier place to park assets.

I hope very few western-leaning Ukies return to Ukraine. Let them enjoy their refugee status in the collective west!

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SignyM:

Basically the USSA is robbing Russia, just like it robbed Libya, Iran, Venezuela, Iraq etc.
Makes the U$D an even riskier place to park assets.
I hope very few western-leaning Ukies return to Ukraine. Let them enjoy their refugee status in the collective west!


THUGR: Like you, right Polish Russian Collaborators Signym and kiki? Right, just like you. Except you're here because you Russians always attack your host country, so Poland drove you out.

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Interviews, direct from the people of Mariupol

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Russian TV Is Filled With Images of Bucha's Dead, Stamped With the Word "Fake"

Because the horrifying truth of what happened in Bucha, Ukraine, during the Russian occupation last month is unpalatable to officials in Moscow, the Russian government has invented a lurid fantasy to tell its own people.

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Russian TV Is Filled With Images of Bucha's Dead, Stamped With the Word "Fake"

Because the horrifying truth of what happened in Bucha, Ukraine, during the Russian occupation last month is unpalatable to officials in Moscow, the Russian government has invented a lurid fantasy to tell its own people.

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More fake outrage brought to you by SECOND.

Why did Britain block an investigation by the UN?
Something to hide, perhaps?

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Russian TV Is Filled With Images of Bucha's Dead, Stamped With the Word "Fake"
Because the horrifying truth of what happened in Bucha, Ukraine, during the Russian occupation last month is unpalatable to officials in Moscow, the Russian government has invented a lurid fantasy to tell its own people.

SIGNY: More fake outrage brought to you by SECOND.
Why did Britain block an investigation by the UN?
Something to hide, perhaps?

SECONDRATE: Signym, you and Russians have confused up with down. Here are Russians complaining that up is down:

UK flagrantly violated UN Security Council procedure regarding Bucha situation
https://tass.com/world/1432333

Despite false claims from Russians, UK didn't do what Russia says:

UN’s Guterres joins call for Bucha war crimes probe
https://web.archive.org/web/20220412174254/https://news.un.org/en/stor
y/2022/04/1115522

Meanwhile, there are many countries and organizations investigating Russian atrocities at Bucha:

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Russian TV Is Filled With Images of Bucha's Dead, Stamped With the Word "Fake"
Because the horrifying truth of what happened in Bucha, Ukraine, during the Russian occupation last month is unpalatable to officials in Moscow, the Russian government has invented a lurid fantasy to tell its own people.

SIGNY: More fake outrage brought to you by SECOND.
Why did Britain block an investigation by the UN?
Something to hide, perhaps?

SECONDRATE: Signym, you and Russians have confused up with down. Here are Russians complaining that up is down:

UK flagrantly violated UN Security Council procedure regarding Bucha situation
https://tass.com/world/1432333

Despite false claims from Russians, UK didn't do what Russia says:

UN’s Guterres joins call for Bucha war crimes probe
https://web.archive.org/web/20220412174254/https://news.un.org/en/stor
y/2022/04/1115522

Meanwhile, there are many countries and organizations investigating Russian atrocities at Bucha:

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First the hanging, then the trial?
Nothing like an unbiased investigation, eh, SECOND? /snark

The time to collect evidence was when the bodies were still on the ground.

This is just more of your shit that you splatter against the wall.

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Another logic fail from SECOND: Investigating war crimes is what lawyers do. It involves THE LAW and is NOT an engineering project.

How could you fail to capture that distinction, SECOND?
Oh, I know!

It's because you're a moron!

I used to supervise analyses that were technically complicated (the same kind used by OPCW for chemical weapons) that wound up IN COURT. I will stack my technical know-how against yours any day, AND my knowledge of legal process.

You?

You're just a twisted fuck lost in your own twisted world.

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Some day, when I'm so bored I have nothing better to do, I should make a list of SECOND's failed arguments, just from this thread alone

Yanno, like

"War crimes should be handled like engineering projects" and

"Think of the tsars!!!" (Yes, indeed. Think of them. /snark

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Another logic fail from SECOND: Investigating war crimes is what lawyers do. It involves THE LAW and is NOT an engineering project.

How could you fail to capture that distinction, SECOND?
Oh, I know!

It's because you're a moron!

I used to supervise analyses that were technically complicated (the same kind used by OPCW for chemical weapons) that wound up IN COURT. I will stack my technical know-how against yours any day, AND my knowledge of legal process.

You?

You're just a twisted fuck lost in your own twisted world.

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Save your crocodile tears,SECOND. They're as phony as the rest of your virtue signaling.

Yanno, your only genuine posts are about hating people. You might want to lance that hate-filled pustule that's grown above your shoulders.

It would be terrible if you died as miserable as you lived.

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Republicans didn’t have values, neither did Russians

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Republicans didn’t have values, neither did Russians

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WTF is wrong with you? So you class every Republican the same even the Libertarian Centrist Ones?
How can you be so manipulated to hate your own people?

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Save your crocodile tears,SECOND. They're as phony as the rest of your virtue signaling.

Yanno, your only genuine posts are about hating people. You might want to lance that hate-filled pustule that's grown above your shoulders.

It would be terrible if you died as miserable as you lived.

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Captured Britons Appear On Russian TV Urging Boris Johnson To Negotiate Ukraine Prisoner Swap

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Russian and Donbas forces have cleared the city of Mariupol except for the giant metallurgic complex of Azovstal which is held by some estimated 4,000 men, including many from the fascist Azov battalion.

On Sunday Russia opened corridors across the front line and asked for those forces to surrender. However the Zelensky government ordered them to stay and to continue to bind Russian forces which otherwise could be used elsewhere:

Russia had given the Ukrainian fighters in Mariupol until Sunday morning to lay down their weapons or be “eliminated.” On Sunday, the forces at the plant ignored the deadline, and Ukrainian officials vowed that they would not surrender. In response, the Russian assault intensified, with missiles and bombs hitting the city and new attacks occurring near the plant, according to the Ukrainian military.
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Ukrainian officials said on Sunday that the struggle was not over for Mariupol, which for two months has tied up Russian troops and resources that are badly needed elsewhere.

The Azovstal complex is a 2 by 2 miles industrial area. It can be surrounded and controlled by a relatively small force. Those within the area no longer have heavy artillery ammunition and presumably little other supplies. The Russian forces can see and bomb anything that moves on the open ground and can otherwise sit back and wait their enemies out.

I do not believe that holding on to Azovstal will significantly delay the upcoming second phase of the Russian operation which will surround and destroy the Ukrainian army on the Donbas front.

The Russian military has two huge advantage over the Ukrainian forces in the east. One is of course its air superiority. The other is the unimpeded supply line which allows it to get as much heavy artillery ammunition, fuel and food to its forces as it needs.

Without fuel the Ukrainian army can not move and without constant supply, especially of large amounts of artillery munitions, it can not counter Russian artillery which will be in heavy use against it.

This pictures of a former Ukrainian position show the devastating result of such a situation.

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Nearly all of the Ukrainian ammunition and fuel supplies have been bombed and destroyed. What is trickling in through its western borders has difficulties to reach the eastern front and is anyway not enough to supply an actively fighting and maneuvering army.

On April 16 Russia shot down a Ukrainian military transport plane that was bringing 'western' weapons to Odessa. Today it destroyed another ammunition depot near Lviv were 'western' weapons are crossing the border into Ukraine. Some bits of fuel allegedly still reach the Ukraine through trains from Moldova. But that is far from enough.

Here is a week old report on the fuel situation:

Since the beginning of the war, the number of gas stations in Ukraine has decreased three times, and private fuel consumption has decreased by about the same amount, said Sergey Kuyun, director of the A-95 consulting group.

“According to our estimates, a third of the total number of gas stations is operating, this is about 2.5 thousand stations, before the war there were 7.5 thousand. Of course, the main reason is the lack of fuel. Consumption has also decreased three times compared to the pre-war level,” he said at a closed briefing at the Media Center in Lviv on Monday.

At the same time, Kuyun noted that traders or network owners are forced to provide their most strategic and powerful facilities, located mainly in regional centers or on main routes, while peripheral stations are forced to stand idle, although there are also a lot of consumers there.

According to him, the shortage of fuel became especially aggravated after the shutdown of the Kremenchug Oil Refinery as a result of a missile attack by Russian invaders.
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On April 2, the Russian invaders destroyed the infrastructure of the Kremenchug oil refinery with their shelling, and it stopped working.

The damage done daily to the Ukrainian military and military industry is huge. One can get a sense of it when one reads through the briefings of the Russian defense ministry. From today's morning brief (here in full as some have difficulties accessing the site):

The Armed Forces of the Russian Federation continue the special military operation in Ukraine.

High-precision air-based missiles destroyed 16 military assets of Ukrainian overnight.

Among them: 5 enemy command posts, 1 fuel storage facility, 3 ammunition depots, as well as military personnel and equipment concentrated in Barvenkovo, Gulyai Pole, Kamyshevakha, Zelenoe Pole, Velikomikhailovka and Nikolaev.

Operational-tactical aviation hit 108 areas of concentration of Ukrainian manpower and military equipment.

In addition, 1 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle was shot down by an air-to-air missile near Buda.

Army aviation destroyed 8 tanks and other armoured fighting vehicles, as well as up to a company of enemy manpower near Pashkovo, Veseloe and Illichevka.

Missile troops struck with high-precision Iskander land-based missiles. 4 arms depots and Ukrainian military equipment were destroyed, as well as 3 areas enemy manpower concentration near Popasnaya, Yampol and Kramotorsk.

Russian artillery units hit 315 Ukrainian assets overnight.

18 command posts, 22 artillery batteries, 1 OSA-AKM anti-aircraft missile system, as well as 275 enemy strong points and areas of concentration of enemy manpower were hit.

Russian air defence means shot down 3 Ukrainian combat aircraft in the air: 2 MiG-29 fighters near Izyum and 1 Su-25 near Avdeevka.

11 Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicles were also shot down in the air near Klimovo, Nevelskoe, Novotroitskoe, Izyum, Panteleimonovka, Sladkovodnoe and Yasnoe. 10 large-calibre rockets fired by Ukrainian multiple rocket launchers at Chernobaevka were intercepted.

In total, 139 aircraft, 483 unmanned aerial vehicles, 250 anti-aircraft missile systems, 2,326 tanks and other armored combat vehicles, 254 multiple launch rocket systems, 1,004 field artillery and mortars, as well as 2,184 units of special military vehicles of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were destroyed during the operation.

This has now been going on daily for more than a month. While the precision of the above numbers is somewhat uncertain I do not think that they are exaggerated by much. Yesterday there was no particular heavy fighting and the equipment destroyed on that one day alone was already more than what the U.S. has in total promised to send.

That means that the military destruction and defeat of the Ukrainian forces in the country's east is all but assured.

What then is the strategy that government in Kiev and its overlords in Washington DC are following? Why has the Ukraine not given up? Why didn't it continue to negotiate with the Russian side?

Is their hope that their daily over the top 'Russia is losing' propaganda will create enough political momentum for a large scale NATO intervention?

That would end in a disaster for the NATO forces.

Russia is obviously prepared for it. It has so far held back large parts of its own forces. Russia has at least 12 tactical missile artillery brigades, each with 36 Iskander missile launchers and 144 fire ready missiles. Only three of the those brigades plus a third of two other ones have so far been committed:

Three brigades, or a total of 36 Iskander launchers (two missiles each plus two resupply missiles per launcher) were deployed to Belarus as part of the buildup to war in Ukraine. Two additional brigades (12 launchers) were also assigned to Russia's Southern Military District and moved forward in the area of Belgorod near the Russian border; and to the area of Krasnodar, south of Ukraine.

Most of the Russian airforce has likewise been held back.

On March 24 the Pentagon claimed that Russia was running out of precision munitions. However, if the Russian defense ministry report is correct, at least 16 precision air ground missiles and 7 Iskander were used just yesterday. To me that does not sound like 'limited supplies'.

Other issues:

Since Saturday Gonzalo Lira, who has been reported from Kharkov, is no longer reachable. He seems to have been captured or killed by the Ukrainian Gestapo-like SBU. Sadly I had expected that. Doing hours of Youtube live streams when your enemy controls the internet in your area is not very smart.

A picture of the damaged Russian cruiser Moscwa was published today.

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The Russian cruiser was damaged last week and sunk. The ship is listing and so it must have additional damage below its waterline. The picture shows fire midships on its port side where two of its close-in weapons systems and their ammunition storages are. The ships crane is deployed right above that area. The large anti-ship missiles towards the bow and the S-300 air defense launchers behind the deckhouse seem intact. The port side life rafts are no longer where they were and must have been launched. That means that a significant part of the crew likely got off the ship alive before it sank.

The picture does not tell us what has happened. Was this an accidental ammunition explosion as Russia had first claimed or was the ship hit by Ukrainian (or British?) anti-ship missiles as the Ukraine is claiming? We will have to wait for further reports to know that.

Posted by b on April 18, 2022 at 17:28 UTC | Permalink

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