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"To deter and defend against a renewed Russian threat following a full Russian victory in Ukraine the United States will have to deploy to Eastern Europe a sizable portion of its ground forces. The United States will have to station in Europe a large number of stealth aircraft. Building and maintaining those aircraft is intrinsically expensive, but challenges in manufacturing them rapidly will likely force the United States to make a terrible choice between keeping enough in Asia to defend Taiwan and its other Asian allies and deterring or defeating a Russian attack on a NATO ally. The entire undertaking will cost a fortune, and the cost will last as long as the Russian threat continues—potentially indefinitely."

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"The future of NATO is bound up with the future of Ukraine much more tightly than most people understand...

Altering America’s will is no small thing. America is an idea. America is a choice. America is a belief in the value of action. US domestic resilience and global power come in no small part from people and countries choosing the United States and from Americans preserving their agency to act with intent. An adversary learning how to alter these realities is an existential threat — especially when ideas are that adversary’s core weapon."

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" ' America the Myth floated along during all of this. It was a shared catechism of the American religion, but is becoming harder to swallow. We are becoming American Atheists and when the people stop believing in their own myths they perish.'

Now let’s see Kagan and cohort’s exegesis one more time, side by side:

'Altering America’s will is no small thing. America is an idea. America is a choice. America is a belief in the value of action. US domestic resilience and global power come in no small part from people and countries choosing the United States and from Americans preserving their agency to act with intent. An adversary learning how to alter these realities is an existential threat — especially when ideas are that adversary’s core weapon.'

Ah….so there it is. You see, American power is enshrined in nothing more than a Myth of supremacy and entitlement, one itself cloaked in various euphemistic coys and vapory misdirections like “the rules based order.” "

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Notice the change in narrative?

A year ago it was all "Ukraine is WINNING!" and "Russian troops are unmotivated brutal orcs only good to feed into meat grinders" and "Russia's economy is in tatters." and "Russia is running out of missiles/ planes/ artillery/ (fill in the blank)".

Now, it's ...

What if Russia wins?

The High Price of Losing Ukraine: Part 2 — The Military Threat and Beyond

What could happen if Russia wins the war in Ukraine?

What If Russia Wins?

‘We’ll Be at Each Others’ Throats’: Fiona Hill on What Happens If Putin Wins

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Wow. Neocons and their prostitute media slowly coming to grips with reality?

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Notice the change in narrative?

A year ago it was all "Ukraine is WINNING!" and "Russian troops are unmotivated brutal orcs only good to feed into meat grinders" and "Russia's economy is in tatters." and "Russia is running out of missiles/ planes/ artillery/ (fill in the blank)".

Now, it's ...

What if Russia wins?

The High Price of Losing Ukraine: Part 2 — The Military Threat and Beyond

What could happen if Russia wins the war in Ukraine?

What If Russia Wins?

‘We’ll Be at Each Others’ Throats’: Fiona Hill on What Happens If Putin Wins

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Wow. Neocons and their prostitute media slowly coming to grips with reality?

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Nah.

The War Machine hasn't been properly fed for a while.

Just commericals for Raytheon and the like is all.

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No reason to do it overnight.

Can't bleed the plebs dry if they won the "war" in a week.

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You seem to think that the west is going to determine when the war ends.

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Not exactly "The West" as in Team America! Fuck Yeah!

I'm just talking about the people behind the scenes who control all of these things but don't hold any actual elected offices.

They hold no allegiance to any geographic boundaries or people when they view the planet as their property and all of its people as their slaves.


And make no mistake, if they actually wanted the war to end tomorrow, it would end tomorrow.

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My life is fine. In many ways, thanks to the fact that I have taken personal accountability for any of my failures, acknowledged them, owned them, fixed whatever I could, and then recognized those things that can't be fixed or weren't worth investing time and energy into and moved on with my life.

I have zero debts to anyone. Financially or otherwise. Everything I own is mine free and clear, everybody I know is indebted to me one way or the other.

Enjoy your holiday break. You've got to get back to work soon, wageslave.

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My life is fine. In many ways, thanks to the fact that I have taken personal accountability for any of my failures, acknowledged them, owned them, fixed whatever I could, and then recognized those things that can't be fixed or weren't worth investing time and energy into and moved on with my life.

I have zero debts to anyone. Financially or otherwise. Everything I own is mine free and clear, everybody I know is indebted to me one way or the other.

Enjoy your holiday break. You've got to get back to work soon, wageslave.

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From what I can see, you are not a grownup. Yes, you did remove tons of garage sale junk that cluttered your house, overcoming your hoarding tendencies. Yes, you also stopped drinking alcohol, overcoming another tendency. There are more trivial accomplishments I won't list. But in the bigger world, normal children with parents who aren't themselves immature have grown past the stage you are now in by the time they are 21. The Russians also need to become grownups, but that is a long story of how Russia never matured because of the trauma of 100,000,000 Russians being murdered by other Russians.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
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My life is fine. In many ways, thanks to the fact that I have taken personal accountability for any of my failures, acknowledged them, owned them, fixed whatever I could, and then recognized those things that can't be fixed or weren't worth investing time and energy into and moved on with my life.

I have zero debts to anyone. Financially or otherwise. Everything I own is mine free and clear, everybody I know is indebted to me one way or the other.

Enjoy your holiday break. You've got to get back to work soon, wageslave.

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From what I can see, you are not a grownup. Yes, you did remove tons of garage sale junk that cluttered your house, overcoming your hoarding tendencies. Yes, you also stopped drinking alcohol, overcoming another tendency. There are more trivial accomplishments I won't list. But in the bigger world, normal children with parents who aren't themselves immature have grown past the stage you are now in by the time they are 21. The Russians also need to become grownups, but that is a long story of how Russia never matured because of the trauma of 100,000,000 Russians being murdered by other Russians.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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How's work treating you today, dummies? Making that money to pay all that interest on things you're never going to pay off before you die?

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My life is fine. In many ways, thanks to the fact that I have taken personal accountability for any of my failures, acknowledged them, owned them, fixed whatever I could, and then recognized those things that can't be fixed or weren't worth investing time and energy into and moved on with my life.

I have zero debts to anyone. Financially or otherwise. Everything I own is mine free and clear, everybody I know is indebted to me one way or the other.

Enjoy your holiday break. You've got to get back to work soon, wageslave.

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From what I can see, you are not a grownup. Yes, you did remove tons of garage sale junk that cluttered your house, overcoming your hoarding tendencies. Yes, you also stopped drinking alcohol, overcoming another tendency. There are more trivial accomplishments I won't list. But in the bigger world, normal children with parents who aren't themselves immature have grown past the stage you are now in by the time they are 21. The Russians also need to become grownups, but that is a long story of how Russia never matured because of the trauma of 100,000,000 Russians being murdered by other Russians.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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My life is fine. In many ways, thanks to the fact that I have taken personal accountability for any of my failures, acknowledged them, owned them, fixed whatever I could, and then recognized those things that can't be fixed or weren't worth investing time and energy into and moved on with my life.

I have zero debts to anyone. Financially or otherwise. Everything I own is mine free and clear, everybody I know is indebted to me one way or the other.

Enjoy your holiday break. You've got to get back to work soon, wageslave.

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From what I can see, you are not a grownup. Yes, you did remove tons of garage sale junk that cluttered your house, overcoming your hoarding tendencies. Yes, you also stopped drinking alcohol, overcoming another tendency. There are more trivial accomplishments I won't list. But in the bigger world, normal children with parents who aren't themselves immature have grown past the stage you are now in by the time they are 21. The Russians also need to become grownups, but that is a long story of how Russia never matured because of the trauma of 100,000,000 Russians being murdered by other Russians.

The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/1uwh75oa407q8/Firefly

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Yup. I don't pray at the altar of God Money like you do. I have more than my share, and I see no reason to stack excess 1's and 0's that are just going to sit in a virtual bank somewhere until I die.

Have you ever once heard me bitch personally about MY money?

If I need to work, I'll go back to work. It'll be part time. It will be low paying but low responsibility. And I'll be stacking up enough to take another 5 year vacation. Because my cost of living is obscenely low compared to all you wage slaves, you see.

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6ix, most of humanity lives in relative poverty compared to you. They better be content with their poverty or else be miserable about how God mistreats them or angry that "The West" stole their wealth. (That last option describes average Russians, which makes it easy for Putin to blame the Ukraine War on "The West", not on Putin.) Come to think of it, 6ix has much in common with average Russians but rather than "The West" he blames "The Democrats". 6ix, you have been angry/envious which is why you have all those Disney failure threads predicting the end of wealthy Disney.

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That's a real laugh, buddy. I have zero envy for the rich. Particularly for the rich and the famous, because I wouldn't wish that level of anti-anonymity on anyone. Money means nothing to me other than tokens that you barter in order to survive. My somewhat unique perspective on money has allowed me to become particularly good at allowing me to stack it and utilize it in just about the most efficient way you possibly could.

Sure, I exist on next to nothing without supplementing it right now, but ask yourself how I managed that in the first place. The only answer to that question is that I lived more or less the exact same way that I do now when I was working jobs making enough money to put myself in this position in the first place. How many people do you know that walk into their bank for a cashier's check to take to their house closing to pay it in full when they're only 32 years old who didn't have a rich mommy and daddy giving them that money? Now how many of them did it while only making about $250k in their life?

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The average global personal income is $9,733 per year. The average global household income is $12,235 per year. The median per-capita household income is only $2,920 per year.

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Oh, that old gem again. We've been over this before ad nauseam. If you're living in a place where the average personal income is $9,733 per year, then everything you buy from food to clothing to transportation to entertainment costs a LOT less than somewhere where the average income is $40k per year. You don't even have to travel out of the country to see that this is true. Somebody working and living in NYC or LA is making a ton more than somebody doing the same job in bumfuck Kentucky doing the same job, but somebody in bumfuck Kentucky isn't paying $3,500 per month for a 600 sq ft. studio apartment.

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Exactly.

Just like in Afghanistan and elsewhere the US has created their own Frankenstein, now its blowback time; and they may do more than 'resist'- the previously 'nurtured' Nazis might come after Biden with vast 'intellectual ammunition"- the evidence of the Biden corruption in Ukraine.

That's a hell of a bargaining chip.

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NATO Needs Russia 'Ruined' in Ukraine for Future Peace: Official

By David Brennan | Dec 29, 2023 at 8:07 AM EST

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"Russia needs to walk away with the understanding that they lost, that they will lose the next war," Kusti Salm — the permanent secretary at the Estonian Defense Ministry — told Newsweek in an exclusive interview from Tallinn.

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Saturday, Dec 30, 2023 - 08:05 AM

Russia's Belgorod region, which lies just north of Kharkiv in Ukraine, was rocked by Ukrainian drone and missile fire which killed at least 14 people, with over 100 injured, according to revised updates. "According to updated information, 12 adults and two children were killed in Belgorod. Another 108 people, including 15 children, were injured," Russia's defense ministry said.

The death toll was so high due to the strikes on a residential area, the region's governor Governor Vyacheslav Gladkov indicated. While this Russian border region has throughout the war come under repeat cross-border attack, it has been relatively quiet of late, with only smaller sporadic mortar or drone attacks. In one instance a centrally located Christmas attraction, said to be (according to unverified reports) a skating rink with many children, came under fire.

Russia's defense ministry described a broader attack on Russian territory Saturday during which time the military intercepted and destroyed dozens of inbound missiles and drones.

Ukrainian media sources said that the armed forces launched some 70 drones on Russia in the series of deadly attacks, however, Kiev officials claim they only targeted military sites, including a direct hit on a electronic factory in Bryansk region where missile system components are made. "Unlike Russian terrorist attacks on the territory of Ukraine, the Security and Defense Forces have exclusively hit enemy military targets," a military source told Ukrainian media.

But Ukraine's military asserted it avoided civilian areas ... isn't born out by the video evidence.

Russian state media detailed that the shelling "targeted the central city district, which hosts regional government buildings, as well as the ‘Mayak’ city mall – a popular gathering place for locals that traditionally holds festive events on New Year’s Eve. Some reports also claimed that a local ice-skating rink was hit in the strike."


This major assault appears 'retaliation' by Ukraine for the major nationwide aerial strikes on Ukrainian cities that took place the day prior, where the rising death toll is at 39 Ukrainians killed.

The Ukrainian Armed Forces had cited that in the Friday Russian assault, up to 158 missiles and drones were launched, describing that this was a "record number" and the "most massive missile attack" of the conflict, excluding the very opening few days of the invasion.

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"This offence will not go unpunished," the Russian MoD said further. And spokesman Dmitry Peskov told a press briefing, "President Vladimir Putin has been informed about the Ukrainian armed forces' strike on residential neighborhoods in Belgorod."

Belgorod lies merely 20 miles from the Ukraine border, on the other side of which has witnessed two years of heavy fighting. Air raid sirens and the occasional inbound drone have become 'normal' for Russian residents in the region, however, the scale of Saturday's attack was unprecedented in intensity and the rate at which the missiles and drones hit central areas.

The Saturday attacks on Russia were rare for their size and scope, and likely Russian forces are preparing another wave of attacks on Ukraine. President Putin was reportedly briefed on the wide-ranging assault, detailed further as follows:

An initial statement from the Russian defence ministry on Saturday said 13 missiles were destroyed over the wider region overnight. Later, it said 32 drones had been shot down in the Bryansk, Oryol, Kursk and Moscow regions.

The governor of Bryansk region meanwhile said two villages were targeted and a child, born in 2014, had been killed. He said the attacks had damaged 55 homes, two private businesses, a football ground, a leisure centre and a pre-school.

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A war crime, as even Dima points out.

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