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Russia Invades Ukraine. Again
Saturday, June 15, 2024 7:39 AM
SECOND
The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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Tuesday, June 18, 2024 8:00 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: SECOND: Are Putin’s Nuclear Threats Working? They prefer that Russia should actually nuke us to demonstrate that they're serious? a) The west CAN'T win. We can't win this conventional war (which BTW WE started) and nobody wins in a nuclear war. The whole issue for Putin is NATO EXPANSION TO RUSSIA'S BORDERS AND NEAR ABROAD SECURITY.
Quote: SECOND: Are Putin’s Nuclear Threats Working?
Tuesday, June 18, 2024 6:32 PM
SIGNYM
I believe in solving problems, not sharing them.
Tuesday, June 18, 2024 9:19 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The issue right now isn't $$, it's military production. At the moment, an increase in NATO'S OFFENSE spending is being wasted on paying inflated prices for substandard weapons, and running a lot of $$$ thru the Ukraine washing machine
Tuesday, June 18, 2024 9:25 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: The issue right now isn't $$, it's military production. At the moment, an increase in NATO'S OFFENSE spending is being wasted on paying inflated prices for substandard weapons, and running a lot of $$$ thru the Ukraine washing machine I await Russia's victory before Xmas. You and Putin promised victory would be quick and inevitable, Signym. But I want it now! I eagerly anticipate the Orthodox Christmas parade through Moscow with thousands of Ukrainian Nazis bound in chains being slowly dragged behind tanks, leaving streaks of blood and skin on the pavement. The Russian crowds will howl for the glorious goriest spectacle! The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
Tuesday, June 18, 2024 9:39 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: The vast majority of the countries and international organizations that participated in the Ukraine-initiated Global Peace Summit in Switzerland on June 15-16 signed a joint communique on June 16 reaffirming support for Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity.[1]
Tuesday, June 18, 2024 9:56 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Nobody ever said it would be quick. As usual, you lie.
Wednesday, June 19, 2024 6:05 AM
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Wednesday, June 19, 2024 3:17 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: At some point, I'll find a list of attendees, but it probably includes such "powerhouses" like Vanuatu and Andorra.
Thursday, June 20, 2024 8:19 AM
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Sunday, June 23, 2024 8:00 AM
Sunday, June 23, 2024 12:50 PM
Quote:Originally posted by second: The Royal United Services Institute points out that: The biggest obstacle to improving the effectiveness of the Armed Forces of Ukraine is the lack of a clear and agreed-upon grand strategy for winning the war. https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/how-build-ukraines-military-effectiveness-and-avoid-war-attrition The Institute for the Study of War points to one specific example of the lack of grand strategy and who is causing the lack: US policy continues to prohibit Ukrainian forces from striking legitimate military targets in Russian territory in range of Ukrainian HIMARS.
Quote: Ukraine Strikes Russian Air Defense Battery in Likely HIMARS Attack: ISW
Sunday, June 23, 2024 1:35 PM
Sunday, June 23, 2024 3:30 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I dug this thread up to try a summarize, at least for myself, the situation in Ukraine.
Sunday, June 23, 2024 5:47 PM
Quote: Russia says U.S. is responsible for deadly Ukrainian attack on Crimea Responsibility for the deliberate missile attack on the civilians of Sevastopol is borne above all by Washington, which supplied these weapons to Ukraine, and by the Kyiv regime, from whose territory this strike was carried out," the ministry said.
Sunday, June 23, 2024 6:09 PM
Monday, June 24, 2024 7:04 AM
Monday, June 24, 2024 7:24 AM
Monday, June 24, 2024 9:14 AM
Monday, June 24, 2024 9:25 AM
6IXSTRINGJACK
Monday, June 24, 2024 1:16 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Quote: Russia says U.S. is responsible for deadly Ukrainian attack on Crimea Responsibility for the deliberate missile attack on the civilians of Sevastopol is borne above all by Washington, which supplied these weapons to Ukraine, and by the Kyiv regime, from whose territory this strike was carried out," the ministry said. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-says-us-is-responsible-for-deadly-ukrainian-attack-on-crimea/ar-BB1oJMOO Civilians in Crimea killed using ATACMS, programmed by USA techs, and armed with cluster warheads.
Quote: Civilians killed on Sevastopol beach were ‘occupiers’ – top Zelensky aide There cannot be any “peaceful life” in Crimea, Mikhail Podoliak has warned The four Russian civilians killed by a Ukrainian cluster munitions attack on a Crimean beach were “occupiers,” as are the residents of the region at large, and as such their deaths are justifiable, Vladimir Zelensky’s top aide, Mikhail Podoliak, declared on Monday. ... “There are not and cannot be any ‘beaches’, ‘tourist zones’ and other fictitious signs of ‘peaceful life’ in Crimea,” he wrote. “Crimea is definitely a foreign territory occupied by Russia, where hostilities are taking place, a full-scale war is ongoing.” “Crimea is also a large military camp and warehouse, with hundreds of direct military targets, which the Russians cynically try to mask and cover with their own civilians,” he continued, adding that these civilians are considered “occupiers” by Kiev.
Monday, June 24, 2024 6:51 PM
THG
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Meanwhile ... Quote: Putin Names Two Conditions For Ending The War 'This Very Minute' Friday, Jun 14, 2024 - 08:55 AM Russian President Vladimir Putin in a Friday speech addressed the West's efforts to host a major Ukraine peace summit in Switzerland this weekend. Though scores of world leaders will be there, Russia has not been invited, and China [India, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, and other invited attendees] has [have] snubbed the event citing that it's pointless without Moscow's representation given it is a party to one side of the war. Putin outlined his "conditions" for peace. He said for the military operation to be halted Ukrainian forces would have to withdraw from the four regions annexed by the Russian Federation. "Ukrainian troops must be completely withdrawn from the Donetsk People's Republic, the Luhansk People's Republic, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions," Putin said in a televised address. Russia held referendums in late September 2022 for these war-torn oblasts, and the overwhelming majority of voters were in favor of being absorbed into Russia, which Kiev and the West called a "sham" election. Putin also stipulated a second main condition for ending the war: Ukraine must reject ambitions to join the NATO alliance. "As soon as Kyiv says it is ready to do this and begins really withdrawing troops and officially renounces plans to join NATO, we will immediately — literally that very minute — cease-fire and begin talks," Putin said in the talk given to a gathering of diplomats. Interestingly, Putin showed signs he could be willing to compromise when it comes to territory, which is a bit of the first and hopeful sign that he's serious about finding ways to wind down the war. According to AFP: The Russian leader said he did not "rule out maintaining Ukrainian sovereignty" over the southern Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions "on the condition that Russia has a strong land link with Crimea." But despite what appears to be very serious possible overtures, the Zelensky government has long maintained that it will not countenance negotiations or peace settlement until there is a full withdrawal of Russian armed forces from Ukrainian territory as existed pre-February 2022. The weekend Swiss peace summit is expected to focus on gaining full international backing for Zelensky's 10-point peace formula, however international press has acknowledged this as still "a largely symbolic effort". The sixth point of Kiev's plan reads as follows: it calls on Russia "To cease the hostilities, Russia must withdraw all its troops and armed formations from the territory of Ukraine, plain and simple. Ukraine’s full control over its state border, recognized internationally, needs to be restored." Putin also took opportunity Friday to reiterate that Zelensky is 'illegitimate' and is serving as a mere puppet of the West: For Moscow this of course remains a non-starter, and Putin has frequently emphasize that it will never give up the newly acquired four eastern territories, which have long been Russian-speaking areas, both historically and currently.
Quote: Putin Names Two Conditions For Ending The War 'This Very Minute' Friday, Jun 14, 2024 - 08:55 AM Russian President Vladimir Putin in a Friday speech addressed the West's efforts to host a major Ukraine peace summit in Switzerland this weekend. Though scores of world leaders will be there, Russia has not been invited, and China [India, Saudi Arabia, Brazil, and other invited attendees] has [have] snubbed the event citing that it's pointless without Moscow's representation given it is a party to one side of the war. Putin outlined his "conditions" for peace. He said for the military operation to be halted Ukrainian forces would have to withdraw from the four regions annexed by the Russian Federation. "Ukrainian troops must be completely withdrawn from the Donetsk People's Republic, the Luhansk People's Republic, Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions," Putin said in a televised address. Russia held referendums in late September 2022 for these war-torn oblasts, and the overwhelming majority of voters were in favor of being absorbed into Russia, which Kiev and the West called a "sham" election. Putin also stipulated a second main condition for ending the war: Ukraine must reject ambitions to join the NATO alliance. "As soon as Kyiv says it is ready to do this and begins really withdrawing troops and officially renounces plans to join NATO, we will immediately — literally that very minute — cease-fire and begin talks," Putin said in the talk given to a gathering of diplomats. Interestingly, Putin showed signs he could be willing to compromise when it comes to territory, which is a bit of the first and hopeful sign that he's serious about finding ways to wind down the war. According to AFP: The Russian leader said he did not "rule out maintaining Ukrainian sovereignty" over the southern Kherson and Zaporizhzhia regions "on the condition that Russia has a strong land link with Crimea." But despite what appears to be very serious possible overtures, the Zelensky government has long maintained that it will not countenance negotiations or peace settlement until there is a full withdrawal of Russian armed forces from Ukrainian territory as existed pre-February 2022. The weekend Swiss peace summit is expected to focus on gaining full international backing for Zelensky's 10-point peace formula, however international press has acknowledged this as still "a largely symbolic effort". The sixth point of Kiev's plan reads as follows: it calls on Russia "To cease the hostilities, Russia must withdraw all its troops and armed formations from the territory of Ukraine, plain and simple. Ukraine’s full control over its state border, recognized internationally, needs to be restored." Putin also took opportunity Friday to reiterate that Zelensky is 'illegitimate' and is serving as a mere puppet of the West: For Moscow this of course remains a non-starter, and Putin has frequently emphasize that it will never give up the newly acquired four eastern territories, which have long been Russian-speaking areas, both historically and currently.
Monday, June 24, 2024 7:53 PM
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Monday, June 24, 2024 8:51 PM
Monday, June 24, 2024 9:03 PM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: Yeah, our MSM is taking the dodge of saying "according to Kiev" so they can get it in a headline and manage to disavow responsibility for publishing it. ----------- "It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger Why SECOND'S posts are brainless: "I clocked how much time: no more than 10 minutes per day. With cut-and-paste (Ctrl C and Ctrl V) and AI, none of this takes much time." Or, any verification or thought.
Tuesday, June 25, 2024 7:44 AM
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Wednesday, June 26, 2024 3:00 PM
Quote: Shocking new footage of bomblets raining down on Russian beachgoers CCTV footage capturing the moment when M74 submunitions from the MIM-140 ATACMS missile with cluster warhead struck the water and beach in Sevastopol, Crimea, on June 23.
Thursday, June 27, 2024 12:18 AM
Thursday, June 27, 2024 6:14 AM
Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I've been trying to understand what's going in with that cluster muntions strike that killed and wounded so many Russian civilians, bc as I understand it the missile went off course and wasn't targeted specifically at them.
Thursday, June 27, 2024 6:18 AM
Thursday, June 27, 2024 7:53 AM
Quote:Originally posted by second: Quote:Originally posted by SIGNYM: I've been trying to understand what's going in with that cluster muntions strike that killed and wounded so many Russian civilians, bc as I understand it the missile went off course and wasn't targeted specifically at them.What is difficult to understand? Russians go on vacation in a war zone and get killed because that is a foolish place to vacation? What next? Vacation on the sunny beaches of Gaza? The Joss Whedon script for Serenity, where Wash lives, is Serenity-190pages.pdf at https://www.mediafire.com/two
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