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US Officials Discussed Giving Nuclear Weapons To Ukraine
Sunday, Nov 24, 2024 - 08:20 PM
Authored by Kyle Anzalone via AntiWar.com,

According to the New York Times, US and European officials have discussed a range of options they believe will deter Russia from taking more Ukrainian territory, including providing Kiev with nuclear weapons. The outlet reports that Western officials believe the Kremlin will not significantly escalate the war before Donald Trump is sworn in as President in January.

Following the election of Trump earlier this month, the US and its NATO allies began taking steps to rush weapons to Ukraine and give Kiev the ability to strike targets inside Russian territory with long-range weapons.

American officials who were briefed on the intelligence community’s assessments told the Times that weapons will not alter the challenging situation that Kiev is currently facing. "US spy agencies have assessed that speeding up the provisions of weapons, ammunition and matériel for Ukraine will do little to change the course of the war in the short term," the Times reports.

Desperate to bolster Ukraine’s standing in the war before the transition of power on January 20, the Biden administration is looking at a range of serious escalations. "US and European officials are discussing deterrence as a possible security guarantee for Ukraine, such as stockpiling a conventional arsenal sufficient to strike a punishing blow if Russia violates a cease-fire."

The article continues, "Several officials even suggested that Mr. Biden could return nuclear weapons to Ukraine that were taken from it after the fall of the Soviet Union."

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
You get thrown in prison in the UK for speaking out about your political opponents online too. It's happening all over the country right now.

You guys hate Russia so much, but you try to emulate them whenever you can.

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Trump is fine.
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What are the real losses?

The actual toll is likely much higher than can be determined through open sources. Military experts we interviewed suggest that our analysis of Russian cemeteries, war memorials, and obituaries may account for between 45% and 65% of the real death toll.

This is partly because the bodies of a significant number of soldiers killed in recent months may still be on the battlefield. Removing them would require additional risks to the health of surviving soldiers who could be hit by drone strikes. In many cases, evacuation is temporarily abandoned.

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What are the real losses?

The actual toll is likely much higher than can be determined through open sources. Military experts we interviewed suggest that our analysis of Russian cemeteries, war memorials, and obituaries may account for between 45% and 65% of the real death toll.

This is partly because the bodies of a significant number of soldiers killed in recent months may still be on the battlefield. Removing them would require additional risks to the health of surviving soldiers who could be hit by drone strikes. In many cases, evacuation is temporarily abandoned.

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In the calculus of war, this applies to Ukrainian soldiers much more than Russian.
Why?
Because Ukraine lacks the strike capability (mortar, artillery, bomb, missile) to literally bury soldiers in rubble, making bodies irretrievable.
Furthermore, Ukraine lacks the manpower to flank and surround positions ... Russia's latest favorite tactic ... which also makes bodies irretrievable.

So much cope.

Instead of listening to distorted articles from neocons who try to convince you that things are other than as they are, you should follow Military Summary Channel. Dima's heart is with Ukraine. But if you simply follow the military action from day to day, you'll see how the war is going.


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"It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger


AMERICANS SUPPORT AMERICA

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Make of that what you will.

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This reverse caused the opposite of humility in Hitler – and when faced with the first real setback in his land war on the European continent, he failed the basic test of war leadership. When stories started coming in of the faltering German advance and the first signs of a possible Russian counterattack, Hitler became angry and unbalanced and started issuing the first of his famous no-retreat orders – ones he would repeat up until the moment he committed suicide in Berlin three and a half years later. One of the first examples of this was on 30 November. Hitler lost control when he heard news that Soviet counterattacks had caused the 1st Panzer Army, which was driving towards Moscow from the south, to pull back to keep from getting encircled. According to Franz Halder, the army’s chief of staff, Hitler was ‘in a state of extreme agitation’. Refusing to let his generals speak, Hitler did all the ‘talking, pouring out reproaches as abuse, and shouting orders as fast as they come into his head’. The orders were all variations on the same theme: Hitler forbidding ‘withdrawals’ or allowing his armies to ‘fall back’.18

As things became more difficult in December and the true strength of the Russian counterattack was revealed, Hitler tried to escape blame for having underestimated the Red Army. On 8 December, he issued a Führer directive ordering his armies to stop attacking and instead take up defensive positions up and down the line. The reason given was not the Soviet counterattack but the ‘severe winter weather which has come surprisingly early in the East, and the consequent difficulties in bringing up supplies’.19 Blaming the weather didn’t keep the Soviets from pressing, however, and more and more German units had to retreat. In response, Hitler repeated the same order over and over – no retreat, stand your ground, and die in place if needed.20

Unable to shoulder any of the blame himself, he now started blaming his generals, claiming that they were either weak or deceiving him. On 19 December, he decided to neuter army interference as much as possible by abolishing the post of Commander-in-Chief of the German Army and assumed direct control himself. This meant that General Halder now reported directly to him.21 Hitler even boasted that operational command was so easy that anyone could do it.22 He had by now completely infantilized the armed forces, and for the rest of the war would increasingly surround himself only with officers who told him what he wanted to hear.

With one fewer check in place, Hitler continued to order the troops outside of Moscow not to retreat, regardless of the freezing weather. On 20 December, he held forth at ‘great length’ on the need to hold the line. ‘Every man must fight back where he stands.’23 He also referred to his own World War I experiences. When General Heinz Guderian, who was commanding one of the Panzergruppen aimed at Moscow, said that his troops could not entrench because the ground was frozen for at least five feet below the surface, Hitler suggested that the soldiers use howitzers to blast craters to use as trenches. After all, Hitler said, this is what German troops had done on the Western Front in World War I.24 He seemed incapable of understanding that the conditions in Russia could be that different to those he had experienced himself as a soldier.

This ‘hold fast and die in place’ order quickly became part of Hitler’s self-reinforcing myth of greatness – almost like he was trying to expunge the disaster that had befallen the German Army in 1918. He believed that it was his will and determination that saved the German Army from catastrophe outside of Moscow, that rallied the troops and prevented a great defeat. It was a view without substance, but has lived on partly because it was repeated so much. Yet it makes no sense. In the first place, many German soldiers did retreat. The German Army, under pressure from the Russians, disregarded Hitler’s stand-and-die order a number of times. By late January, even he was forced to admit the reality, and authorized a significant withdrawal of German forces from outside of Moscow.25 The upshot of all this was that the German Army found itself much further from Moscow in the spring of 1942 than it had been in December 1941. In some cases it was now more than 100 miles further west, and Moscow was so secure that Hitler would never be able to threaten it again.26

A reflective war leader might have tried to understand what had happened in the winter of 1941–42 and learn from it. The German Army had been overextended because of overconfidence in its own abilities and a drastic underestimation of its enemy’s. Yet the lesson that Hitler took from all this was that he had been right all along – that it was his greatness that saved the day. In fact, once things settled down on the Eastern Front in 1942, he returned to his earlier, already disproved perception that the Russians were about to collapse and could not take the pounding much longer. He told his secretary that it would soon be shown that the Russian lines were ‘a quite thin veil’ and that it would be discovered that ‘Russian resistance will not endure’.27 What was needed, of course, was more direct control from him, to make sure his weak-kneed generals fought with the will and conviction needed to crush the weakening Red Army.

Someone heading in an opposite direction from Adolf Hitler was Joseph Stalin. Stalin’s meeting with Harry Hopkins was just one example of how he reacted to adversity not by doubling down on his own brilliance, but by trying to cultivate and benefit from the support of others. This was not because of any change of personality; it was because he had calculated, accurately, that the chances of his personal survival and that of the USSR (and then later of their further successes) would be better assured by taking help where he could get it, even if this showed him doing things that ideologically or personally he had not done before.

Having been played so spectacularly by Hitler up until 22 June, afterwards Stalin became arguably the most successful manoeuvrer on the international stage. His meeting with Hopkins was only the start of him ingratiating himself with US and British policymakers in such a way that these two great capitalist powers provided massive support for the Bolshevik Soviet Union. When it came to cultivating Roosevelt, until November 1943 Stalin had to act through intermediaries (primarily Hopkins) and telegrams. He did so very successfully.

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Originally posted by SIGNYM:

Putin just gave a speech, also not covered in Western press, where he compared Russian missile technology and production to Western capabilities. In each relevant category, he detailed how Russian capabilities are superior to Western, and in many categories the West doesn't have anything comparable. He also promised that each time the West launches its missiles at Old Russia from Ukrainian soil, Russia will retaliate in force. He says they know where all the ATACMS, Storm Shadow, and Scalp missiles are, where the personnel are, and they will not hesitate to strike at Western assets. They may even strike at "decision-making centers" in Kiev, and they no longer consider Zelenskiy to be a legitimate ruler of Ukraine.

Make of that what you will.

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Now that engineers have been able to assess the strike, they have concluded that the Oreshnik is an entirely new missile. It is launched ballistically (with a variable speed rocket). It has 6 warheads, each with six submunitions, all descending at Mach 10 and all independently targetable. Speed alone causes the submunitions to reach 3000F, and being struck by that is like being hit by a meteor.
Even without warheads, conventional or otherwise, these missiles can destroy anything they hit.

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Russia may have violated the INF Treaty. Here’s how the United States appears to have done the same.[first]

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Russia may have violated the INF Treaty. Here’s how the United States appears to have done the same.[first]

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https://thebulletin.org/2019/02/russia-may-have-violated-the-inf-treat
y-heres-how-the-united-states-appears-to-have-done-the-same/

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Visualizing Ukraine's Collapsing Front Lines Amid The Steady Russian Onslaught

https://x.com/DD_Geopolitics/status/1862854852663206243?ref_src=twsrc%
5Etfw

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So many words, so little understanding.

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Russia may have violated the INF Treaty. Here’s how the United States appears to have done the same.[first]

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THUGR:

"Russia is solely responsible for the treaty's demise," Secretary of State Mike Pompeo said

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Originally posted by 6ixStringJack:
What do you think the chances are that Trump ends this and/or the Israel/Palestine conflict behind the scenes before Inauguration Day and Democrats try to claim that win for their own?

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What do you think the chances are that Trump ends this and/or the Israel/Palestine conflict behind the scenes before Inauguration Day and Democrats try to claim that win for their own?

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Russia has been at war with Ukraine since Feb 20, 2014 and the Palestinians have been at war with Israel since May 14, 1948, so the chance that either war ends before Jan 21, 2025 is zero.

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Blinken Ramps Up Pressure For Zelensky To 'Get Younger People Into The Fight'

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Blinken confirms Ukraine to receive $50 billion transfer from frozen Russian assets

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$50 billion buys a lot of people...

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Blinken confirms Ukraine to receive $50 billion transfer from frozen Russian assets

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What do you think the chances are that Trump ends this and/or the Israel/Palestine conflict behind the scenes before Inauguration Day and Democrats try to claim that win for their own?

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Russia has been at war with Ukraine since Feb 20, 2014 and the Palestinians have been at war with Israel since May 14, 1948, so the chance that either war ends before Jan 21, 2025 is zero.

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Hence why I never used the word "war".





Damn, dude. Even when you're trying to catch me up on some rhetorical bullshit you fail.

This is because you are a very stupid person, and you still haven't learned that you are way out of your league here.





To everybody else that reads this...

What Second was just trying to do there is the "We Didn't Start The Fire" gaslighting.

"You see... This Russia/Ukraine thing has been going on since 2014 and the Isreal thing has been going on since before 90% of the people on the planet were born, so Joe Biden* and Democrats didn't have anything to do with either of these problems."

Not working on anybody today, idiot.

This type of gaslighting only works when everyone is walking around with a fat wallet, and you guys fucked that one up too.


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Trump is fine.
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