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If you meet the requirements ( slightly to the right, middle and liberal ) and you have an interest in starting a discussion say so.

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Look at my first post Jack, and please try and remember, I started the thread with this very post. I fit the bill. I meet the requirements to post here. Read moron read before you speak. Wow you kiki and SIG are the dumbest of the dumb.

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How about editing the title, then?

By the way, your "requirements" are self-contradictory. How can anyone be a slightly to the right and liberal?

Or maybe what you meant was: Slightly to the right, middle, OR liberal. THAT would make more sense! Anyway, it's not the same as your title, so change one or the other.

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Why, I'm registered as a democrat in my state. It allows me more options.

kiki, you and Jack remind me of the movie scene where someone is hang off a cliff and are clawing at the edge to climb back up. I realized the moment you fell on both this and the zero hedge back and forth. Both times was with my first post. You were and are to dumb to know it.

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Why, I'm registered as a democrat in my state.

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Why, I'm registered as a democrat in my state.

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Then why did you say you were an independent?

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Because I am a recovering democrat. That means I vote for the best candidate not along party lines. I am, the sensible middle. A keeper of the gate against lunacy. Your kind of lunacy.

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Why, I'm registered as a democrat in my state. - THUGR

Then why did you say you were an independent?- SIGNY

Because I am a recovering democrat. That means I vote for the best candidate not along party lines.- TYHUGR

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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Then what the hell are you doing in this thread? It's for DEMOCRATS, remember?

Now, since I happen to be one, I guess I can tell you to get the hell out?

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Well, I'm a recovering Democrat too! I too fight against lunacy! It seems we have a lot in common!

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Why, I'm registered as a democrat in my state. - THUGR

Then why did you say you were an independent?- SIGNY

Because I am a recovering democrat. That means I vote for the best candidate not along party lines.- TYHUGR

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Well, I'm a recovering Democrat too! I too fight against lunacy! It seems we have a lot in common!

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Well, I'm a recovering Democrat too! I too fight against lunacy! It seems we have a lot in common!

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Does the "fight against lunacy" mean action in the real world, beyond fireflyfans.net? You don't appear to be a Patrick Henry, "Give me liberty or give me death" type nor a "The pen is mightier than the sword" type. How does a Russian troll (that is the nicest interpretation of what you do here at ff.net) "fight against lunacy" when you are not posting at ff.net?

The Trolley Problem will tell you nothing useful about morality
www.currentaffairs.org/2017/11/the-trolley-problem-will-tell-you-nothi
ng-useful-about-morality

But actually, once you get away from the world of ludicrous extremes in which every choice leads to bloodshed, large numbers of moral questions are incredibly easy. The hard thing is not “figuring out what the right thing to do is” but “mustering the courage and selflessness to actually do it.” In real life, the main moral problem is that the world has a lot of suffering and hardship in it, and most of us are doing very little to stop it. If we must put everything in terms of trolleys, the closer parallel would be: a trolley is bearing down on five people, and someone says to you “If you give me your money, I can save them.” You immediately get quite uncomfortable because you wanted to buy something, and come up with a sheepish rationalization like “Uh, well, I can’t just go around giving money to anybody who asks me, it’s not sustainable.” (Then everyone dies.)

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I think there is a lot to be said SECOND for what you post. We are as a society 7.5 billion. That would include a lot of bad folk. And a lot where nature nurture would turn people desperate. However, much of the good goes unnoticed and unreported. That is truly something we can thank the media for fueling. They appeal to our worst nature because we are drawn in so easily to the negative. It's were the money is for them, so to speak.

I'll quote something you said here. You telling SIG that what she does in these threads is toll and worse, while you intimate that a troll here would be a troll in the real world. My opinion when I see you asking her how she helps the cause of good outside these threads. I think we both know she doesn't, and we both know she'll lie and make something up.

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"How does a Russian troll (that is the nicest interpretation of what you do here at ff.net) "fight against lunacy" when you are not posting at ff.net?" SECOND

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BIG SPOILER ALERT FOR THE GOOD PLACE!!!

I prefer the comedy of the trolley dilemma solution on the Good Place.

A.K.A. Second is not nearly as deep as he would have you believe him to be.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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His posts suggests he is a thinker Jack. Just as yours suggest you are sick and not.

Excuse me for leaving your cartoon illustration massacre of people video out of my response to you. It's just I don't post videos of that nature. Full disclosure, I didn't bother to watch it either. SECONDS however was very interesting.

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Yep, a troll paid by the gif.

I'll see you one and raise you one

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Here's a message from SECOND to you sig.

"A Russian troll (that is the nicest interpretation of what you do here at ff.net)" SECOND

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BIG SPOILER ALERT FOR THE GOOD PLACE!!!

I prefer the comedy of the trolley dilemma solution on the Good Place.

A.K.A. Second is not nearly as deep as he would have you believe him to be.

Do Right, Be Right. :)

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His posts suggests he is a thinker Jack. Just as yours suggest you are sick and not.

Excuse me for leaving your cartoon illustration massacre of people video out of my response to you. It's just I don't post videos of that nature. Full disclosure, I didn't bother to watch it either. SECONDS however was very interesting.

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Still being paid by the gif, comrade troll THUGR?

What's the matter- words failing you, again?

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You and kiki are just to stupid. I'll show you why.

So, according to you and kiki now I'm a Russian troll. OK, I believe Russia is full of nothing but losers. It's nothing more than a gas station for Europeans run by a bunch of drunks and criminals.

I think Putins hates gays because he is one. And sooner rather than later Trump will be gone and Putins will get his. Right up the ass.

What do you think of Russia sig, kiki? Our actual Russian trolls. What do you think about Russia?

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Still being paid by the gif, comrade troll THUGR?
What's the matter- words failing you, again?

You and kiki are just to stupid. I'll show you why.
So, according to you and kiki now I'm a Russian troll. OK, I believe Russia is full of nothing but losers. It's nothing more than a gas station for Europeans run by a bunch of drunks and criminals.
I think Putins hates gays because he is one. And sooner rather than later Trump will be gone and Putins will get his. Right up the ass.
What do you think of Russia sig, kiki? Our actual Russian trolls. What do you think about Russia?- THUGR

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Still being paid by the gif, comrade troll THUGR?
What's the matter- words failing you, again?

You and kiki are just to stupid. I'll show you why.
So, according to you and kiki now I'm a Russian troll. OK, I believe Russia is full of nothing but losers. It's nothing more than a gas station for Europeans run by a bunch of drunks and criminals.
I think Putins hates gays because he is one. And sooner rather than later Trump will be gone and Putins will get his. Right up the ass.
What do you think of Russia sig, kiki? Our actual Russian trolls. What do you think about Russia?- THUGR

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What I have observed it that - after the USA militarily surrounded Russia; attempted to destroy it with a combination of sanctions, oil price war, and an attack on the ruble; illegally knocked over a series of governments in the Middle east and fomented "color revolutions" elsewhere; and withdrawn from missile treaties; and in addition ...

Attempted to open up another front by "pivoting east" to China ...

1) Russia has gone on a war footing, and
2) Russia and China have been thrown into each other's arms.

Like I said: self-created problems.

I think you think far too much about Russia, and have invested far too much hate and bile towards Putin because you're Russian.


Personally, I mostly don't care about what goes on in Russia except as it relates to us Americans. And since I think that nearly all of our worst problems (debt, climate change, wealth inequality, corruption, overextended imperial ambitions, corrosion of civil liberties, monopolism etc.) are self-inflicted and have nothing much to do with Russia, I don't think much about Russia.

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Just making a point sig. Normally I wouldn't post so negatively about the people of a particular country. In this case I did it to prove my point.

Over the last couple of years you have had many opportunities to suggest Russia is wrong about this or that. Not once have you done anything but defend it. You say you only care about Russia as it applies to us Americans. Well, over the years you've taken their side on everything. As you do here again. All the while attacking every aspect of democracy.

Whenever you are confronted directly, first you defend Russia and blame America. Then you deflect. Just as you have done here. Fallacy of relative privation sig. Why would we talk about Russia when the rest of the world is so fucked up. All this is right out of Putins' playbook. My point is made comrade.

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Still being paid by the gif, comrade troll THUGR?
What's the matter- words failing you, again?- SIGNY

You and kiki are just to stupid. I'll show you why.
So, according to you and kiki now I'm a Russian troll. OK, I believe Russia is full of nothing but losers. It's nothing more than a gas station for Europeans run by a bunch of drunks and criminals.
I think Putins hates gays because he is one. And sooner rather than later Trump will be gone and Putins will get his. Right up the ass.
What do you think of Russia sig, kiki? Our actual Russian trolls. What do you think about Russia?- THUGR

I DON"'T THINK MUCH ABOUT RUSSIA.

What I have observed it that - after the USA militarily surrounded Russia; attempted to destroy it with a combination of sanctions, oil price war, and an attack on the ruble; illegally knocked over a series of governments in the Middle east and fomented "color revolutions" elsewhere; and withdrawn from missile treaties; and in addition ...

Attempted to open up another front by "pivoting east" to China ...

1) Russia has gone on a war footing, and
2) Russia and China have been thrown into each other's arms.

Like I said: self-created problems.

I think you think far too much about Russia, and have invested far too much hate and bile towards Putin because you're Russian.


Personally, I mostly don't care about what goes on in Russia except as it relates to us Americans. And since I think that nearly all of our worst problems (debt, climate change, wealth inequality, corruption, overextended imperial ambitions, corrosion of civil liberties, monopolism etc.) are self-inflicted and have nothing much to do with Russia, I don't think much about Russia.- SIGNY

Just making a point sig. Normally I wouldn't post so negatively about the people of a particular country. In this case I did it to prove my point. - THUGR

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Not once have you done anything but defend it. You say you only care about Russia as it applies to us Americans. Well, over the years you've taken their side on everything.

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And there is THUGR, shitting gifs again.

Dood, all you're doing is expressing your "feelings". One of these days, you'll understand that "feeling" and "thinking" are two different things, and you'll bring some actual... yanno... thought to the board instead of gifs.

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Sig you live in a world of denial. You refuse to acknowledge this because it is an unacceptable truth for you. You refuse to even allow this truth into your consciousness. Aside from like minded trolls who post here the rest of us are fully aware of this.

For years you have had your clock cleaned time and time again by those debating issues with you. You've been caught in lie after lie, and yet you continue to post the fallacies' of others from whatever source is available. Your reputation here is that of someone who constantly delivers unsound arguments based on deceptive information.

You lose comrade. You lose by the fact that your participation in these threads is considered by others to be trolling.

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No sense responding to your last very long post sig.- THUGR

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Once again, words failed him.

You're a known liar and troll who can't back up anything that he says with anything like the truth. Every time you get your ass handed to you, you shit a gif and bail from the thread.

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OK, because you are regurgitating what you post I'll post this one more time.

Sig you live in a world of denial. You refuse to acknowledge this because it is an unacceptable truth for you. You refuse to even allow this truth into your consciousness. Aside from like minded trolls who post here the rest of us are fully aware of this.

For years you have had your clock cleaned time and time again by those debating issues with you. You've been caught in lie after lie, and yet you continue to post the fallacies' of others from whatever source is available. Your reputation here is that of someone who constantly delivers unsound arguments based on deceptive information.

You lose comrade. You lose by the fact that your participation in these threads is considered by others to be trolling.

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But there’s a reason. There’s a reason. There’s a reason for this, there’s a reason education SUCKS, and it’s the same reason it will never, ever, EVER be fixed.

It’s never going to get any better, don’t look for it, be happy with what you’ve got.

Because the owners, the owners of this country don't want that. I'm talking about the real owners now, the BIG owners! The Wealthy… the REAL owners! The big wealthy business interests that control things and make all the important decisions.

Forget the politicians. They are irrelevant. The politicians are put there to give you the idea that you have freedom of choice. You don't. You have no choice! You have OWNERS! They OWN YOU. They own everything. They own all the important land. They own and control the corporations. They’ve long since bought, and paid for the Senate, the Congress, the state houses, the city halls, they got the judges in their back pockets and they own all the big media companies, so they control just about all of the news and information you get to hear. They got you by the balls.

They spend billions of dollars every year lobbying, lobbying, to get what they want. Well, we know what they want. They want more for themselves and less for everybody else, but I'll tell you what they don’t want:

They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That’s against their interests.

That’s right. They don’t want people who are smart enough to sit around a kitchen table and think about how badly they’re getting fucked by a system that threw them overboard 30 fucking years ago. They don’t want that!

You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! It's a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club.

By the way, it's the same big club they use to beat you over the head with all day long when they tell you what to believe. All day long beating you over the head with their media telling you what to believe, what to think and what to buy. The table has tilted folks. The game is rigged and nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care! Good honest hard-working people; white collar, blue collar it doesn’t matter what color shirt you have on. Good honest hard-working people continue, these are people of modest means, continue to elect these rich cock suckers who don’t give a fuck about you….they don’t give a fuck about you… they don’t give a FUCK about you.

They don’t care about you at all… at all… AT ALL. And nobody seems to notice. Nobody seems to care. That’s what the owners count on. The fact that Americans will probably remain willfully ignorant of the big red, white and blue dick that’s being jammed up their assholes every day, because the owners of this country know the truth.

It's called the American Dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it.

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You think you post wisely about what kiki. We live in a democracy with over three hundred and twenty million people in it. You can go into any major or even smaller city and see, they are trying to educate students that speak 90 or more different languages. The results are never going to be uniformly successful.

You use one of our comedians humor to make claims that there is no American dream. How shallow minded are you? Because you're not the brightest let me explain to you that comedians offer up complaints kiki, never solutions. For solutions and to be informed about improving the educational system in this country, try listening to someone who is informed on the topic. Sir Ken Robinson to name one. Not George Carlin.

Your attempted use of one of our comedians ironic humor to show there is no American dream is sad at best. Disturbing as well. It says a lot about why you chose to troll.

Another is because you have a history you cannot overcome. A shame about your Russian heritage. A self loathing about your place in the world. So, you lash out in an attempt to destroy what others have.

“After 50 years of purges, arrests, and, most damaging, unrelenting pressure on what had become an isolated thought universe, the Russian intellectual landscape was populated by barely articulated ghosts of once-vibrant ideas.”

That a quote from a Russian kiki; Masha Gessen. Here is another. " Russia has now, for 17 years, consistently moved in the direction of fewer and fewer freedoms—less and less personal freedom, less and less social freedom, less and less public space, more and more restrictions on all kinds of actions and behaviors. "

You post only what you can twist into a negative about America kiki. If you read her book, you will learn freedom is to much for the Russian mind to deal with. At least for now. Perhaps that's partly why you post the way you do. Read the book, she breaks this down in ways you will be able to understand.

http://www.out.com/out-exclusives/2017/10/31/Masha-Gessen-Russia-Putin

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I like Gutierez. I dont hav anything agenst identity politics either. Peepl belong to groups and thoze groups need reprezentation.

You can ritely claim that its bad for the country overall, but you cant chanje human nature overnite and you cant let the bad guyz be the only wunz utilizing this wepon.



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I do have a problem with it. It is what's being practiced now by many Trump voters; White first. Do you have a problem with that? That is identity politics.

The democrats are shaping their message and support to inner cities. This is where more votes are consolidated. They exclude the white voter that votes with them, in numbers that has allowed for the progressive advances in this country. They know we're here but they don't speak to our issues or even acknowledge us. They don't want to piss off the minorities who are angry about their circumstances. Why, because they blame Whites, all Whites.

This is some of reason Trump won and Steve Bannon has found a foothold into our politics. There are a lot of Whites pissed off about the progressive message of democrats. The one that excludes them. Bannons' voice has always been there, but because of identity politics it has made it into the White house.


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You dont need to exclude all other groups in order to address the greivansez uv 1 group.

I dont no if the Demz are failing to do that or not, but I can see how peepl can perseiv it that way.

Both partyz claim to be a 'big tent'. Lucky for the Demz, the GoP's tent now includez pedofilez and the KKK!

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Yes they are JO. Identity politics is people of a particular religion, race, social background, etc., forming exclusive political alliances. They move away from traditional broad-based party politics.

It explains why people who voted for Obama voted for Trump. They felt abandoned. This is one way to explain the hate on the right and left for the middle. Those who try and speak to all voters.

If you don't believe the progressive part of the democratic party hates anyone who tries to compromise, then you don't understand their platform. Many defectors from the party do. They did so because their platform is excluded. Excluded solely because they are not in the minority, and are being wrongfully blamed for the plight of the minorities.


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I do have to admit that when it comes to this topic, T, you actually do sound very wise. Of all the things we argue about, I've never once felt that you weren't completely on the money when it comes to the plague of identity politics in the media.

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Wonderful, except the I wasn't speaking about the media Jack. I was speaking about our political parties. That said, I would agree with anyone who suggested the media does tend to favor a left leaning agenda, but Jack, there's always a but.

So do those in our educational system including most scholars. The fact that they are very educated gives weight to what they say.

I don't like far left agendas in our press as much as I don't like them in our politics. I do find the press guilty, mostly of omitting some of the facts that may suggest other than what they believe. However, that is a far cry from reporting fake news. Besides, the press have every right not to publish information they feel is propaganda or without merit. They have a right not to be a conduit for bad or miss information.

Unfortunately that and some mistakes, leads to conspiracy theorists and alt right thinkers to claim foul. It's not anybody's fault but there own for being so ignorant and hateful of the truth.


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It's not ignorance or hate. It's mistrust because nothing is news anymore. It's all editorials. Both "sides" are equally guilty of this. It's extremely rare that you can get any news today that isn't reported with bias. Most people are so entrenched on their own particular side that they don't even notice that it is there because they're hearing what they want to hear.

I'm looking forward to when the media slamming of Trump dies down and we can actually go back to facts and I can start jumping all over him for the bullshit he's actually doing... which I'm sure there is plenty to bitch about.

What the MSM is doing today is throwing out so much bullshit that it's impossible to keep up with any of it unless you make it a full-time job or at least a free-time consuming hobby like fantasy football (which many of you here seem to do).

Both sides deal in hate. You notice it when you watch anything from Fox News, but you don't notice it when you watch CNN. The equal and opposite can be said about JSF with both news platforms.

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I do not respond to you under the delusion that I can enlighten you. As your posts continually show, you're someone who resists enlightenment. I do it because you continue to post foolishness which allows myself and others, to show how ignorant those who believe as you do are.

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